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Pity we are awful at the moment, I would have gone to this.

Tinpot 3-0 town att: 5,341 (411)

Vile 3 Town 1 att: 6,780 ( 460 away)

I'm never going to that shit hole again.

Head says loss. 2-1.
Heart says don't be soft, anything is possible, it's only Vale

I feel this before every game!

Now I think about it I do too.
A few more wins over the next several games will change that. Lets not discuss the alternative.

Could've been quite a fun fixture, but think pretty much everyone has left on both teams since that playoff game, and obviously our apathy has fully taken over.

Feel a 0-0 or a 1-1 coming on

4-0 defeat

I couldnt be more apathetic about a fixture against a team that I dislike hugely after their antics last time we played them.

Cannot see past a defeat.

This.

Vile 2 Town 0 att: 5,080 ( 416 away)

100% This.   Can’t say I even care at the moment.

Nice to see they still love us.

https://www.onevalefan.co.uk/forum/topic/65195-match-thread-port-vale-v-swindon-town-28th-sept/

We are of course posting in a very similar looking thread.

Well, apart from not exactly stretching to five pages just yet. STFC at something of a low ebb, the TEF likewise. If it wasn't for the exciting opportunity to call people on the internet cunts there'd be nothing left!

5 pages? Looks like their whole fan base has had a say  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

You are stood inside a very glassy house with a large pile of rubble there.

We're not quite there yet  :)

Would be confident at home (strangely considering we've only got one home win!), as we have had a pretty decent record against them at the CG down the years, not that football works that way anyway. Can recall us sticking 5 past them on a couple of occasions and a decent comeback at theirs in 2013/14.

Suppose we are undefeated on the road, but apart from Newport and the second-half vs Notts County, I have not seen a lot to get excited about. Vale have had a steady start to the season, but hardly world beaters. Hopefully we get the win as their antics at Vale Park left a pretty sour taste, but then I seem to remember similar winding-up antics by our fans v Sheffield United in 2015.

Absolutely vile club as far as I'm concerned.

Would definitely of been going to this but the ownerships of our club has worn me down to the point I couldn't give a shit anymore.

Just clinging on to the hope that these lot won't be here for ever and our fortunes may change one day.

To be honest,having seen a fair bit of L2 this season I personally can see past any result in any game between any of the teams in this division.

3 : 0 loss, with Clem indicating confidence in his head coach, along with the natives getting increasingly restless.

Out of every team this season in L2, I hope be beat these pricks the most for sure.

 Not wishing to be negative, but this will be a 1-0 defeat. Probably a penalty in the 76th minute.

I just assume that we are going to get beat in every match we play at the moment, that way when you get the odd win in ten you can be pleasantly surprised.  The only other sure bet for me is that MK will be oober positive and state that we dominated in all areas of the pitch when we inevitably didn't.

I would be bloody chuffed if we come away from Burslem with a point.

I can't see it but who bloody knows with 4th Division football.

Barny61 on OVF  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :fishing:

Nobody

Draw

Ignoring the outcome of that evening at Vale Park, those play-offs were as good as it got/is going to get under Clem and Co. Garner/Chorley was working a treat and we had some really exciting players on the pitch.

Chorley leaving and a failure to pay Payne just 2 of many things that have led us to where we are now.

I've zero expectations for Saturday but also us pinching a draw wouldn't make me fall of my seat. I *think* we nearly sold our initial allocation, which was about 600 which shows how much interest has waned this season.

We have only lost 1 more game than Vale, but they have won 2 more than us.

Barrow thumped them 4-0 and Donny beat them at home too.

It really is a totally open league again this year and everyone really CAN beat everyone else on their day.

Not for one minute defending Clem and co but we did 'pay payne' more money than what Charlton offered. That even came out of Payne's mouth in an interview. He just wanted league one.

Again not defending Clem either but that seems to be what happened with Dan Kemp too when he signed for Stevenage. The pull of a club in a higher division should not be underestimated.

A Stevenage team that also Includes Tyreece Simpson, Jake Young and the Thompson twins.

Funny how they're now beyond our reach as a club.

And Murphy Mahoney, I never thought I would see the day when I look enviously at Stevenages playing squad. How times change.

No that's absolutely fair. Hands up that's a bad example.

MK has said in the presser that we played better against Carlisle than against Newport. Wowsers.

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https://youtu.be/t8GTHXTEvIc?feature=shared

I wish he’d just call a spade a spade. Trying to be overtly positive just comes across as delusional at times. Newport we were brilliant. Carlisle we were lacklustre. Taking fans for mugs to come out with drivel like that

That presser is absolutely mental.

The man is insane.

We're World beaters, that 1 win since April says so.

It seems he cant go one presser without mentioning how well his Lincoln side played.

From what i've heard, they were bang average.

 I also saw Kilkenny say they were looking forward to playing at Vale as they have a larger pitch and suits our style. Did I imagine it or did I see somewhere that we made our pitch smaller this year?!

Not sure whether Kennedy believe the shit he spouts or whether he’s giggling on the inside seeing how far he can push it before someone calls him out for his utter bullshit.

In fact if at some point someone tugged at Kennedy’s face and pulled off a mask to reveal Spacey under there - I would not be surprised at this point…

Yep, believe we did. Although, can’t particularly say we’ve seen the benefits of doing thaf

Definitely did pre-season.   Obvious by the gap between the lines and the running track. 

:D

Less pitch to look after which means you can delegate marketing tasks to him during the time saved. Anthony Hall, business legend!

Surely you want a bigger pitch to sell more square sponsorship?

Make your fucking mind up

To be fair to Kennedy you can be a big fan of something at the same time as not being obsessed with something.

Saturday's interview  :)

https://youtu.be/0UJZF5iRhNg?si=xGHrkuBw94SNV46j

87% of him agrees with that

60% of the time it works every time.

The other 50% is split 50/50.

He's big on stats eh? It's a shame he's not big on the "Win" stat.

To be fair if I was performing terribly for a terrible company I'd probably roll out the "didn't wanna do good anyway" line.

Sigh. As long as he keeps us up.

I completely agree 80%

The other 30% are undecided.

Surely that should be 25%, based on another thread on this forum :)

Think I just saw the second swallow of summer. 1-0 Town

Pre match welcome to Mordor in The Wheatsheaf.

Good old Stoke-on-Trent, where the locals like to smile on the inside and the staple diet based on oatmeal has had no effect whatsoever on weight control.
Maybe the grim expressions are a just a case of trying to keep the resulting out of control farting at bay.

The grumbling about Kennedy will continue until he can put some wins together.
I would give him the 3 full transfer windows that he has asked for just to see what the end result is.
The last manager to survive 3 or more windows was Wellens then Williams, Cooper, PDC, Wilson & King the only other ones this century.
A mixed bag, 2 promotions & 3 play off campaigns but also relegation seasons.
No guarantee of success as there are a lot of other moving parts involved.

History over the last 24 years shows that managers who don't get 3 windows tend to end up doing bugger all, the Wise & Sturrock season & arguably Garner being the outliers.

So, on to today.
Don't doubt for a minute that much like ourselves the vast majority of Vale fans who go week in week out or follow their teams fortunes from afar are decent folk who just want the best for their club.
Would I put the footballing world to rights with a Vale fan over a pint or two? Absolutely.

However, football fans can be a strange and illogical bunch who can hold grudges for many reasons, from mainly the very trivial through to more significant.

For example, learning of a postponement just as the train was leaving the point of no return, takes two bus journeys to get from the station to the ground, the home network crashing when browsing a link to the opposition forum, attending an evening fixture where duck becomes a word of advice as opposed to a local term of respect.

Any typically irrational fan would therefore be well within their rights to view the opposition fans who are quite clearly responsible for the above calamities & more as a bunch of cunts. All of them.

Anyway, had a beetroot risotto yesterday evening so a glorious bright red stream when taking a piss this morning.
Has to be a good omen.
A clean escape and not losing would be a very good outcome.

Good to hear the WB ramblings on the MDT. Often the highlight of the whole piece.

You are not wrong BO.

I expect nothing but wouldn't be surprised if we get an easy win or equally if we are lambs to the slaughter, a bore draw could also be on the cards!

Just reminded me I need to put my (likely incorrect) prediction in. Fwiw going for 2-0 Vale today.

Seems to be a lot of managers in the lower leagues these days. Especially the ones we get. Other priorities.

I should be immune to it by now but losing to these utter mutants is still going to piss me off. When they scored at our place and ran over stratton bank to celebrate it was like a scene from the hills have eyes.

Remember the young fat fucker with the man bag giving it large to the town fans🤣

Mate, you never become fully immune to Town losing, even if we all say we dont care...a bit of us carries on caring, even if its just a little bit.

I find myself unexpectedly on a plane at 3pm today, so the rest of you can look forward to our best performance of the season for sure.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/JackPlane3.jpg/1920px-JackPlane3.jpg)A close shave?

They seem to dislike us and know alot about our past😁

https://www.onevalefan.co.uk/forum/topic/65195-match-thread-port-vale-v-swindon-town-28th-sept/

Great words.
Sadly there is no known vaccine for our affliction.

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Guess we don’t want to win today then…

That bench is worryingly weak

Actually that might be a bit harsh.
With Glatzel injured & Smith suspended we aren’t exactly spoilt for choice up front - has to be Drinan by default.

edit# just seen Glatzel is on the bench.

Competitive budget aiming for promotion though :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Glatzel and Ofoborh on the bench again ffs

Serious questions for Kennedy if we don’t win this game

Saving them for Tranmere😁

Nice to see McGregor on the bench

From memory, he looked useful at the end of last season. Under usual circumstances, it would be nice to get a player like that some loan experience in the National League/NLS but think we currently need every individual we can get.

Did done guy called Hannibal Smith offer you a glass of milk again? He really does love it when a plan comes together.

When people say Ofobohr and Glatzel should be starting how is it a weak bench. Add McGurk and McGregor and think it's an ok bench to be honest

Smith will be back then too, right?

If we get an injury in central defence we have no recognised CB on the bench, this could cost us, it would mean Kennedy has to go 4 at the back if theres some form of injury sustained. Also just 1 striker on the bench does highlight a lack of depth to me.

I understand that it’s league two, so you’re never going to have a stacked bench, but there is worryingly little FL experience on that bench or players who can really change a game, probably McGurk aside. Would love to be proven wrong but comparing their bench to ours, it’s night and day

We've had much worse benches than that in recent years.

Couple of injuries and the squad suddenly looks as weak as it did last season, a relegation battle remains a distinct possibility.  

The Morfuni competitive budget myth strikes again, our budget would have surely been the lowest in the league (discounting Morecambe) without the ‘increase’ before deadline day.

True.

We have glatz, Cain and mcGurk as attacking options. Offy to steady the middle.

In a way being forced into 4-4-2 might be interesting

Which is a pretty bleak reflection of the Morfuni era

Surely Sobowale would switch back there with McGregor at WB.

Good point posh.

Unless Sobo is the one injured of course.

I know i am in the minority but Glatzel has not been that great tbh this season, McGurk looks 2 stone overweight and McGregor let's be honest is about 8th choice fullback by the looks of kennedys selections this season.

I am probably being overly negative but i don't see anything on that bench that i would think bring them on as a game changer when we are chasing the win

I think to be honest it's mostly a reflection of the seven subs era. Don't think anyone bats an eyelid at a five man bench of Barden, Ofoborh, Glatzel, Cain and McGurk.

Delaney,Hall,Longelo,Smith, Clark,King is a massive chunk of our squad.

All barring King though have a recent track record of carrying long term injuries prior to signing though.

Still cant believe they signed Delaney whilst he was out injured with a long term injury. Fucking mental

And was completely predictable that most of them would be injured for significant periods based on their histories which surely you factor into building a squad. Clearly we don’t and just hope for miracles!

Freckleton/Wright/Minturn/Sobowale can all play CB, if two of them are injured then assume it would be Oforborh

Great chance for Vale after a free header, luckily the shot goes wide.

Regardless, my point was with all those absentees it's still an ok bench

Nice to see we are consistent at defending set pieces

We have started really slowly.

Look pretty pony so far. Not conceded yet though so that is something.

Town being ran ragged at the back.

Cox beaten far too easily there. Thought he was going to smack it

This is going to be a fucking long afternoon.

This won't last all game but we've got to weather this storm.

Season :D

Feels like it already has been!

So have Vale started with 14 players? they are outnumbering us all over the pitch, they really seem to want it more, that upsets me.

Good defensive header by Cox but it gives them a corner.

Poor backpass by Freckles, Bycroft has to kick into touch.

I think we are just not very good all over the pitch

Minturn with a shocking pass gives it away just outside out box, we get away with it as they head wide but its still a corner to them.

Stockley totally free header heads wide.

massive let off

Giving away an alarming amount of set pieces to a team that physically bully us

Morecambe leading Nottingham.

Absolutely the case. Shite.

Bycroft is not filling me with confidence so far again, dithering.

Didn’t give Wright an option at all for the back pass

They are totally all over us in every position they have more quality than us.

Cox hits the post with his back as he heads the ball out, looks injured but is moving now.

A shit keeper, porous defence and blunt attack are the classic ingredients for relegation. We tick all those boxes currently!

Just getting mauled here.

How they all missed that corner ball in the box I do not know, great chance for them.

I really don’t know what we can do here. We have no physical presence on the bench either so I haven’t a clue how we get out of this currently

I havent seen a game this one sided in a long time.

Sobo takes his man on and crosses and wins us a corner.

1-0 win (Drinan goal) incoming

I would be very very very happy with that, however unlikely that is at the moment.

Vale win yet another corner.

Another corner, thats 5 now.

Just realised Cotterill is playing.

Town kept possession for a full minute and a half there, then fuck up with a terrible pass into touch by Minturn.

Good defending from Minturn there

Sobo with a great rob but he cant get past the defender but still wins us a throw in their half.

Sabowale terrible touch from a good interception

Nice passing by Town and Butterworths low cross just goes beyond everyone 6 yards out.

Corner 6 for Vale.

Just woke up to see that!

Fucking Bycroft why didnt you come to collect that?

Glued to his line. Looks to me like he’s lost confidence but that could be a lazy observation

The thing is he never comes off his line, it must be the way he is told to play, let the defenders defend and stick to shot stopping, its just of late he hasnt been doing that very well either.

HT 0-0

Getting away with it so far.

0 shots on target and 0 shots by us in total so far. 1 chance for us with the cross from Butterworth.

Well, that wasn't great. But despite vales 100 crosses here we are at 0-0.

I'll take a smash and grab

One good cross where we went close, but apart from that we have shown nothing going forward. Defensively we are holding on but we can’t get away with that for another 45 minutes. In saying that, Vale only really had the free header as a big opportunity, but with the amount of corners they’ve had, something has to give

8 shots to nil
7 corners to 1
The good thing is Vale haven’t hit the target yet

Vale 1 chance for all their pressure. Can we hang on? Current form says no but maybe some overdue luck?

 not an enjoyable half . The 76th minute could be key .

I must have missed it, what happened to King?

Absolute garbage to watch.

Looks like Kennedy tactic is an instruction to the players to ''gerrr iiii forrr arrdd''

 ::)

No update. Andrew Hawes says he will find out post match

Injured. We think. Not in squad anyway

Bycroft tips a shot over but it looked like it was going over anyway.

Awful to watch again....

Getting impossible for anyone to defend Kennedys tactics

Sobo, Minturn and Bycroft having a heated exchange of words with each other.

Drinan hits the post.

Will Wright booking sabowale...

Ooooh. A bit unlucky from Dry nun there

Crikey! A skillful break!!

Great break by Butterworth who finds Drinan and his shot from 18 yards low hits the post.

So unlucky. Great strike

What have we become? Worst run Swindon FC ever.
Can't believe people still go and watch this shite.

Minturn hasnt impressed me much so far I am afraid I think L2 is beyond his current ability.

Would be just nice to get a shot on target let alone a goal.  The PV GK looks so much like his old man.

How the fuck have they missed that. Phew

Just a bit taller IIRC wasnt his dad only about 5 foot 10?

Vale hit the bar twice, great chance for them.

Ofoborh on for Minturn.

Well, Kennedy agrees.

Offy on

I would have taken Cotterill off for Ofoborh!

How the fuck have they missed that. Phew

Is this the first time we have played with 4 at the back under Kennedy? Maybe not.

Yellow for the Vale player for a nasty challenge on Butterworth in the middle.

To me minturn isn't a ball player.

Makes it difficult for him in the modern game.

Defended as well as freckleton

I agree, defends ok but his passing is very weak and he consistantly gives the ball away or gets caught in possession.

Bycroft with a fairly easy save from a 20 yard shot at a good height, pushes it out for another corner.

0-1 free header near post from the corner, inevitable.

Ooop der it is
Ooop der it is

Surprised it took this long, tbh

Good marking from Drinan. Donkey

Drinan's man

Last season we defended set pieces competently?

Doesn't sound like the performance has been stellar in my absence.

Yes he was a couple of feet behind him.

 christ alive , this is dire

Minturn was stopping those, inevitable is the correct description.

Minturn,for all his faults can defend

It does depend, can the term "stellar" be used in conjunction with the word bad as well as good? is so then we have been stellarly bad :)

I think I need some Stella

Genuinely think this lot are going down, so mentally and physically weak. Consistency second best in challenges there isn’t any fight or desire and a lack of leadership and quality all over the pitch.

Drinan flicks the ball round the keeper but it has no legs.

Glatz for ... Butterworth...odd

Glatzel on for Butterworth.

Kennedy is just after the pay off now…

Glatz seems to have been told to just chase down everything everywhere with his fresh legs.

Drinan is not very good, but he has made 2 excellent runs and has been unlucky not to score.

Corner to Town.

Glatz shot clears the bar from 15 yards, good chance.

Hes definately been our best attacking outlet today but thats not a huge compliment.

For some reason, I think there will be series of results that cumulate in an embarrassing defeat at Cheltenham and Kennedy being sacked

I mean, we always manage an embarrassing defeat at Cheltenham even when we're quite good.

Where do we go from here because I have not got a clue? When we can keep the ball we look ok but give it away far too easily and then struggle to defend. It looks like it is going to be another long season of disappointment.

Port Vale sub number 10.

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Waiting for the beauty of Kennedy getting sacked after 10 league games when he has repeatedly said he wouldn't have taken the job if it was likely to only last 10 games.

We’re not in a financial position to be consistently sacking managers. Still 15 to go…

Jamie Russell has chosen us a rotten one here though, it seems.

When does Russell start to feel the heat?

At least we’ll be strong defensively people said! Yeah….

I agree, Russell is the common denominator in our poor run of seasons.

TBF under Flynn we would probably have conceded 4 already today.

I am not saying it will be the answer to all our problems but for me its....

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Might have scored 4 as well as it’s still early in the season. This lot are absolute dross at both ends.

I’ll say it again, with the exception of Morecambe our budget must have been bottom of the league prior to deadline day as there is little sign of investment in this squad.

I know people don’t like Drinan, but has looked far more of a threat than Tshimanga

Yeah, I agree

Just shit

He's all right

We are fucking shite.

0-2

Played freckles

Fuck sake. What a joke we are.

Kennedy out. Russell out. Clem out. Just awful.

Wow.

Bad bad mistake by Freckles there.

Well, fuck me!

Back to comedy give aways!

That has got to rate as one of our best!

Oh dear. Take off your best defender and,voila. Baffling subs today

That is a proper Swindon goal to give away

 I suppose you just have to laugh

Both are non league standard.

Fair

Unfortunately this is just a squad {and management and ownership} just going through the motions, with no genuine desire or connect to the fanbase.

Currently, following STFC is like panning for gold in the Solway Firth - you might find some grains of occasional glimmering quartz but it's mostly full of silt. Quite apt for the STFC board - who are about as transparent as fecking mud  :crash:

Pahaha this is a team getting relegated

I agree. Minturn was not brilliant, but he did well marking from set pieces.

He made exactly the same error 2 minutes before the goal

1-2 Wright.

A goal

Great free kick tbf

Great goal

And there it is!

Could well have got a draw today

Absolutely great finish.

 Let's see how some here spin this shitty performance

I think the players are good enough. It’s just a rotten club and a manager trying to play some sort of brand rather than winning football.

5 minutes. Come on!!

We must be doing better- only one goal conceeded from 12 corners (so far....).

Better than what they are showing? Maybe?  Significantly better than our league position? I’m not so sure, it’s a team of injury prone journeymen and L2 plodders. I really don’t think the squad is all that.

Deluded

I do think we have "some" very good players, certainly not all, but tactics are stifling them and there have been some weird subs so far under Kennedy too. The team do not suit the way we are set up and we seem to have no direction in style or tactics at all.

A set piece & individual error.

Will ignore the baffling substitutions & the fact we spent most of the game just hanging on

That was fucking awful!

I'm on Team Bob. This squad finishes mid table under a better manager.

Kennedy needs to go, fuck give him a chance and fuck the happy clappers out out out. :suicide:

No more than was expected🤣

Got what we deserved TBH.

Who are the good players though? Wright and Kilkenny? The rest are just your typical L2/NL fodder.

Fuck waiting 10 league games, I’ve seen enough after 8. We will be in deep, deep shit under Kennedy. The team is fairly poor, but I do not think it’s as bad as this. The tactics today were baffling. Why take off Minturn? What sort of substitution was that? It’s okay though because “Port Vale will be up there, they’re a really, really good side.”

The stomach churning thing is if he goes, we are stuck with Gunning.

Well, I said I'd give him 10 games. He's had 9 but, today,all 4 substitutions were completely baffling. All 4 should have stayed on. I maintain we've got a squad here that's capable of much better.

Oforborh and Glatz are good. Kennedy has just made them crap

There is no way this season can be defended..

Expected to lose, but the manner of defeat is hard to take.

I don’t care that Freckleton is in tears. I think the grief that some of the away fans were giving at the end was justified.

Couldn’t string passes together. No movement. Slow. Plodding. Weak in midfield. Soft in defence and no attacking threat.

Utter rubbish.

I think Bignot might have jumped that queue, but I'm fairly sure we'll find out soon enough.

By our defence?

Kennedy bingo.

He’ll talk about our bad luck. That he doesn’t believe in stats (like shots on goal) apart from the fact he believes in stats (when they’re utterly fucking irrelevant to the result, but suggest we’ve won on throw ins taken between 15 and 34 yards out from goal.


He’ll say how good Port Vale are and how George Byers should be playing a level above (note to Kennedy, if you mentally place every other side as a good side, how the fuck do you rate your own team? It’s league bloody two).

He’ll hang a player out to dry and then say how he’s not criticising him, but then criticise him to be clear that it’s their fault and not his.

He’ll tell Andrew Hawes how he “understands the question” and then be mildly passive aggressive in his response, to a perfectly reasonable question. If Kennedy was half as good a manager as Hawes is a journalist, things would be far better.

Mark, your football is atrocious. Genuinely atrocious. Lacking in any merit. And we’ve had Gunning here, and thought it couldn’t get worse.  

Clear the decks and start again. Rotten to the core.

Baffling subs this is the sign of a manager who won’t be in a job soon. I hope the club have some options lined up - caddis please or Gladwin?

The same Carlisle who we made look like the best defensive side in the league shipped another three today. This team has absolutely no creativity. It was so obvious to everyone. The recruitment has gone from one extreme to another. Either recruit technical players with no physicality, or do the complete opposite. Where’s the balance?

Perhaps he has also washed Clementes' car

Please, no

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: nice one Morfuni, I don't think I have witnessed such a decline in this football club as you have managed. Should be a big gate against Harrogate  :-[

Couldnt be any worse surely ?. 

I was against Caddis, but I’d have him back in a heartbeat and back him to be grown up enough to take the job on “eyes open” to the fuckers he would have to work with.

The Bignot point above is relevant. He has managed, albeit in the Conference. He hardly knew Kennedy before taking this job. They’d done a course together. So if Kennedy went, it doesn’t follow that Bignot would go too.

It would be a standard Swindon appointment. Don’t go for who’s best, go for whoever is nearest and cheapest.

Better options who would actually want the job? Don’t say gunning

Fuck off Clem
Fuck off Jamie Russell
Fuck off Kennedy
Fuck off gunning
Fuck off anyone who thinks we were unlucky
Fuck off football

Sheridan was shit but this guy in charge now is close to taking that accolade of being worse!

He’a got too much intelligence to even consider working for this shit show

How shit were Newport really?

If it isn't Gunning, it will be another Clemente 'yes man'
Until he and the other matchday guests sling their hook, nothing will change

I have no love for gavin. but I don't keep jizzing over the prospect of bringing in former players .

5,000 for the Harrogate game ?.

1.97 - 0.22 on xG, in case anyone was wondering about those underlying stats...

And gunning is better than caddis?

This season is worse than anything during Powers reign..

Can see nothing better than a real struggle to avoid relegation to National League.

Personally I would not want to see either in the job .

Didn’t go today. Haven’t fully read back so apologies if this has been mentioned today but Cotterill seems completely immune to substitution. As such we have to take off players who are doing okay like Minturn. Kennedy talks a good game (for the most part) but he will hopefully be feeling the heat to improve asap.

The fella who does Jeff Stellings job on sky said our away record is 2 wins in 28 in all competitions.

Fourth from bottom now, this season is already looking worse than last. Hardly surprising when there doesn't appear to be any joined up thinking anywhere in SN1. Frankly this is going to be the norm under this ownership, throw away your seat belts and don the life rafts, we're sinking under these owners, pure and simple.

I defended last week's performance to a certain degree but that was a step backwards.

Id say we have only 3 or 4 players good enough

The rising tide will drown us all

Jamie Russell has a lot to answer for. Assembled two very subpar squads now

I’ve got a season ticket but not going next week - can’t sit through another bore fest like the Carlisle match. There was a queue outside the junior reds room 10 minutes before half time. That’s how bad it was.

Absolutely shocking yet again.  Baffling squad selection resulting in shock defeat.  Freckles and bycroft stand out as the two who are way below the level.  Unless Bycroft develops a sense of adventure and owns his six yard box from set pieces he has to get dropped.  Kennedys looking way out of his depth.  Barely a crumb of a hope with him in charge.  I actually don’t think the squad is terrible he just doesn’t seem to have a clue.

And I seriously think sacking Kennedy unfortunately isn't the answer. The next appointment won't work, the appointment after that won't work.

Kennedy's record in charge of Macclesfield was
P12  W1  D3  L8
On course to beat that  ::)

I don’t think the squad is the number one problem. We should be in a higher league position with this squad.

It’s not but I think we’re more likely to go down if we don’t. We need a massive sticking plaster for this season.

Obviously the boys of summer were in full swing last season, but we're now ten points behind ourselves last season, and that ended up in our worst ever finish.

Ultimately we should have expected Kennedy to be an utterly shite appointment, anyone agreeing to work for this lot was always going to be a clueless oaf.

Don’t completely disagree but there is absolutely no creativity here. A massive, massive oversight by the recruitment team. Kennedy is not getting the best out of them but he’s hardly been given much to work with

What baffles me is why have we loaned Barden to sit on the bench.

This squad is only better than it's showing when it proves it.

We took Delaney and Hall knowing about injury records.

Will Wright had been great.

Smith. Meh. You get what you get.

Clarke massive disappointment.

Other than that it's hopefuls and unknowns isn't it?

Maybe give the job to bignot and see how it goes. He’s in the building and knows the players.

We are talking about a group of men who have taken months - literally months - to replace a sign at the most visible part of the ground for those in the town.

It’s not about a sign. A sign is a sign, but it epitomises everything about this regime. Uncaring, unprofessional, skint, blind to how it looks, utterly incompetent. If that sign was broken at another club, it would be fixed within a week.

Really? Not sure he is getting anything out of the players either!

Id love caddis here but I can't see him coming. I follow him on linkedin and his communication with the players and community is next level. Clem and co couldn't handle that

I love Caddis. But I wouldn’t want him here under this lot, it would ruin him.

2 away wins in 28 apparently.

This

I think what you're trying to say is;

The broken sign and the lack of urgency to repair/replace is a visual metaphor for how the club is run  ::)

I can't actually see us winning another game, we can't even beat a poor Carlisle at home. We've lost 3 out of 4 at home and won 2 in 28 away. What have they done to our club? Yet some deluded fans still support the regime. Barmy.

Give them time to gel they'll say, it's a new squad they'll say!!

Deluded to the extreme!!

Attendance at the next home game will be close to 6k at best

Quite happy with how I said it, but if you want to say the same thing with new words, fill your boots.

We don't need to waste a possible good thing with Caddis on this ownership featuring convicted drug dealing and convicted money laundering hangers on.

New owners and a clear out and by all means, Paul Caddis red and white army.

Its also Kennedy's refusal to change formation - ok Russell has recruited for 3-5-2 but its not working clearly, try tweaking the formation but he seems be set rigid on 3-5-2 regardless.

a small thing also, but why does Kennedy never do his pre match interview early, most he seems to come out nearly 6pm to speak to the press - previous managers have always been out before 5.30 depending if they needed to give the team a rollocking

We can’t piss around waiting for a pot of gold under a rainbow. If we don’t get a grip this season we are going into non league

Are Caddis's stats *that* good that a football league club should be trying to snap him up?

Might as well go for Fjortoft Jr based on the fact his father couldn't hit a barn door with a shovel for the first part of his Swindon career!

Last season was that. This is miles worse than last.

As long as you have a proportion of the fanbase clapping performances like last Saturday we have no hope.

A proportion still support this regime incredibly.

Trust are silent as a lamb- they should be actively courting new owners as if they don’t we are gonna lose our FL status

Don’t give another penny to this crooked regime.

Thing is caddis wouldn’t piss around trying to implement a brand he’d fight tooth and nail to keep us up.

Its not the complete answer to out problems, but it might keep us in the league.

He thought Minturn was struggling from set pieces? What on earth.

Did Kennedy say Minturn had a tough day at the office defending set pieces?

I thought he didn’t do any worse than anyone else in that regard to be honest but happy to see the stats if I’m wrong

As said they're all going to be complete fucking yes men. Jobs for the boys. Whose next? Maybe scour the rest of the 2002 Ireland World Cup squad.

I disagree with those who say the squad is better than our results. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that.
Newport was an outlier - and  the early goal helped of course.
This summer we signed mostly players with poor fitness records and current injuries - Hall, Delaney and Cox (Cox has done ok so far to be fair),  Longelo has been injured for weeks, plus non league players or player with no EFL track record - King, Tsimanga and Mitchell, some young loanees who are learning on the job (Freckleton), and a striker - Harry Smith - who was in a team relegated from L2 last year.
We lack pace and movement going forward which is why we create nothing.
With this lack of attacking threat, if we go behind teams can hold on easily.
I’m no fan of Kennedy - his press briefings are bizarre - but I doubt anyone else would have this lot much higher - the ceiling for this squad is 15th to 17th in L2, but 18th or below is more likely.
This is going to be a tough season and we need to hope there are two sides who are even worse!

Port Vale scored from a set piece about 4 minutes after Minturn went off…

…obviously there is a lot of context missing from that regards to how Minturn was performing but still quite a damming stat

Damien Duff next please…

Must have been watching a different game, Minturn looked effective to me.

You've totally misinterpreted what I was saying. It wasn't a criticism. For someone who by my own admission can use ''quite a few more words'' at times. I was just writing something more articulate.

Funny though, when others on here do that, most people reply with something like;

''ahh, you've just said what I was trying to say, way more articulately than I could have managed''

Daft cunt

Unfortunately Jeff Kings mum died last week.

Is anyone listening to this?

He’s somehow turned a question about the fans reaction after the game into an answer about domestic abuse?

Kennedy:
- In terms of football performance we were below par
- An ugly and physical game. Missing a lot of physicality and power
- Rode our luck on a couple of occasions in the first half
- Every set piece went into our box
- Biggest disappointment is that the scorer wasn't picked up. The front man  didnt do his job. It wasn't that we were physically dominated at that set piece
- Didnt think we'd win 3-0, but thought we could nick a result
- Not at our best on the ball. Not brave enough
- One real gripe was lacking bravery
- We had the overload in build up.
- Wanted us to play down the right hand side.
- When under pressure we need to build more slowly. We weren't in our shape and able to build down the right
- Hard when you pass on simple information and it didn't come
- How do you conjure up an attacking threat? Wasn't as good as against Carlisle. Although we are low on goals, Kennedy doesn't worry about creating chances
- Knew this was a difficult run of games. Looking forward to them being over
- Missing 5 senior players
- Minturn: Had a tough day at the office. Tried to take him out of the firing line. Didnt hinder us from set plays.
- Freckleton looked distressed: One of the most impressive young men Kennedy has come across. Need to learn to give himself some credit. We bring loanees in to make mistakes and learn from them.
- Two or 3 things that could have saved Freckleton. He shouldn't have had the ball in the first place! (One of several intimations of unhappiness with Bycroft) Freckleton will 100% be starting on Tuesday for sure. His stats are factually some of the best in the league.
- Kennedy's biggest skillset is relationships.
- Lots of other players were upset too.
- Hurt Kennedy as a parent to see Freckleton crying. Its an honour to be his head coach
- Not surprised to see upset away fans. He gets it. He has played over 500 games and coached a lot. Last thing he talks about to players is what the game means to fans. Win, lose or draw he talks about clapping the fans.
- It means a lot to fans. It makes or breaks their week. Domestic abuse goes up when England lose a game. Its astonishing.
- Kennedy is first and foremost a football fan. He gets it.
- Walking over, he was expecting to get a bit of grief. Its the same everywhere
- You don't think its a concern about underlying performance? No, because our performances have been very, very good. But today we were below par. We didn't play well today.
- Kennedy thinks our performances have been very good, but our results have been poor. Our fans have been amazing to us. Today, our fans didnt do anything wrong
- Jeff King: Lost his mum this week. So, thoughts and prayers with him this week. Want to give him a big hug as we all love him.

Tried to capture that

Even if they can't get an alternative to go public. Its past the point of waiting now. They need to utterly condemn this regime and go the no money no power route again.

Its pure fucking pure desperation.

If you have to keep referring to yourself as “intelligent” every week to make a point, are you actually intelligent?

He contradicts himself massively at times. Said before the game that history was irrelevant to him and that he didn't care about the recent history of the fixture. Then says post-match that he spent time going over the history with the team?

Rather than sucking up to them

We bring in loan players to make mistakes?!

No Mark, that shouldn’t be why we bring in loan player…

Its really difficult summarising his shite, as the most interesting bits are the bits that you would normally miss out!

Today was:
- Intelligence
- A good coach
- A father
- Domestic abuse
- Expressing love for a player
- Talking about previous games where we have been shite and rewriting history to say the performances were better than they were
- Waffle about not being able to win 3-0 as knew it would be a tough game (but I've even summarised that because he added a load of other inane drivel!)

Kennedy Quote:
" We are not gonna come to places like Port Vale and win 3-0." :doh:

Seriously, this bloke has to go. No fight, no ambition.
No wonder the players can't create any chances, his attitude has rubbed off on them!  :badmood:

We should be wanting to win every game 3-0 and climb up the table. :nod:

More spin than a Tory Chief Whip from Kennedy there.

Condolences to Jeff King, his family et al

Straight out the Trump copybook of ''stable genius''

Yep, this in particular was frustrating. Listening to him once again claim that we were better against Carlisle than we were against Newport.

I can only assume that after the Trust’s survey and open letter than they’ve been “spoken to” by Adam Hart and Austin, because there is no other excuse for the silence. At least Reading have a fan base united against the ownership to cling onto. The Trust gave me some hope of upping the ante with that letter, but it’s back to the status quo. They’re observers to the slow but steady decline.

They should be out finding a buyer, speaking to Fitton, anyone, who can connect them with interested buyers.

This should be actively finding a buyer

Can find all the buyers you want but if they're going to keep turning down offers.......more seems to need to be done.

What? I'm not totally sure but actively promoting boycotting and encouraging buyers to go public would be a start.

Why can’t they go public?

I have no idea. There have been rumours for different interested parties hasn't there one Dutch and one American. I've heard from a few different places an offer was made last year rejected/not given the time of day.

Why interested parties wouldn't go public I'm really not sure. They'd get the support.

Jamie Russell is a Temu version of Ben Chorley

Maybe the perspective buyer(s) don’t want to go public or be in the spot light.
Equally why pay more than what the club is really worth.

That was a tough afternoon.
Second all over the pitch,

Incredibly, if you delve into the dim & distant history of STFC (7 yrs ago), you find that things like this actually happened once.  Some of us even remember it.

Port Vale 0-3 STFC (https://townenders.com/match.php?match_id=20180116)

How do you think we can get them out duke? This carries on we are down

 forget the trust. need to set up a pressure group doing protesting and generally meddling.

Their last social media post on Twitter was 2 weeks ago.  A retweet from the Women's team thanking them for sponsoring the game.  There's so much wrong with this, that you barely know where to start.  I'm not sure the Trust know why they're there any more.  I certainly don't.

Honestly don’t know mate.
Fair play to your comms to the Trust. They should be the one voice to get any momentum going.

Our fanbase appears to want to sit back and just watch us slide backwards.
Can keep on spreading the message. Crowds will fall further and only knows how the Chancers react to that.

Needs proper protesting doesn't it, problem is half of us have gone past caring

To be fair it's a very long way to go to tarmac a drive.

Condolences to Jeff King and his family.

But bloody hell, could the club have picked a worse time to tweet about it then straight after the final whistle. Obviously trying to deflect criticism after the result. Should have been done straight after the team was announced.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00bs7BsfKQk

One of my very early red flags with Kennedy was before a ball was even kicked.

He said something along the lines of he wants to pick up a point away from home and win our home games.

it might not seem like much, but i've always hated the mentality of playing for a point away from home rubbish. especially when we should be a big club at this level.

and you saw how we played today. very much came for a point. he even used the phrase ' hoped we could nick something!!! '

Sounds awful but that was my first thought after they tweeted it, felt like a deflection.
Kennedy could have been mentioned it during his press conference on Thursday.

Kennedy saying we’re not going to win 3-0 there really winds me up. It’s Port fucking Vale, not Man City.

Why do we position ourselves as minnows in this league? It’s like a managed slide into non-league. It’s almost as if they’re happier with the lack of scrutiny there will be on where the money is coming from and going to in the NL.  I’ll save the FL Regulator the trouble. We’ve got a (non) director that’s a convicted money launderer, and one (non) director that is a convicted drug dealer.

Are you not entertained you sod

I think that would work 10 years ago, but not now. Too many who cared enough to protest have voted with their feet and are long gone. What were left with are many who don’t engage with the club during the week and just turn up at weekends to see a kickabout.

I wonder if Clem looks at the league table upside down

Got to be the only explanation with him being happy with this shit

Prime example, the other week on one of the FB someone posted about the hangers on and the ex cons.

Fans were saying things like’

‘Name names, prove who it is’ etc

The amount of people oblivious is unreal

Fuck me its not rocket science

It’s one of those questions that’s only simple if you know the answer!

Like, it’s not outside the realms of possibility that the large majority of our fanbase are either too old or too young to use forums as a medium.

They’ll use FB & Twitter - places that have made forums obsolete but also places where your anonymity is (usually) gone & everything is in a very public domain, so much so the people potentially being talked about will be able to see it & see who said it…

Unlike here where we can all hide behind user names, set up different levels of access & basically self govern ourselves so things that get said in Vegas stay in Vegas.

A lot of those pre/post forum aged fans interest in STFC won’t start any sooner or last any longer than a few hours on a Saturday afternoon. They probably have little to no idea of what is going on in the boardroom and a lot probably won’t care.

This is (again) where the Trust can play a vital part or even local journalists. The factually correct information needs to put out there as officially as it can in such ways that the entire fanbase can be educated.

…then once you’ve hopefully educated some of the fanbase a bit more then you need a viable alternative because we can post about what’s going on as much as we want but no one is queuing up to buy the club - even if there is, there is absolutely no proof what so ever….nothing for the fans to get behind.

Fanbase needs educating & uniting - not to be insulted & divided…

Which begs the question, why isnt this factual information being shared by the press and Trust etc

Still makes me laugh that the OSC did an on the sofa with Zav Austin even though they knew his history

Trust too scared, Adver don’t want to get banned again!

Don’t know - I imagine it’s getting the wording right so it’s factually accurate provable information rather than opinion, slander, libel etc

Just saw the highlights. Drinan unlucky with shot from edge of box against post but poor from him losing his man for the header. Disastrous mistake from Freckleton who I thought has been okay this season from what I’ve seen. Apparently he was crying at full time so it seems that he cares. I hope he can bounce back. Listened to Kennedy post match interview and was pleased when he admitted we were poor. Pressure is beginning to mount on him. He will need to pick up some points soon if he wants to still be in a job by Christmas.

Kennedy mentioned it in his post match.

If they hadn't done it they'd be criticised too.

 And doing it in the week might have been too soon, got to give the player time and check it's ok to make it public.

Sure as hell not with him in charge, couldn't beat an egg.
The same Port Vale where we won in 2017, 2018, 2022?
:idiot:

Also entirely possible whoever does the club social media only found out from MKs post match interview the same as the rest of us…

Is it fair today that Kennedy is the problem? (Aside from the board, of course).His lack of tactical awareness is horrific. I’m not exaggerating when I say he’s one of the worst managers I’ve seen in my lifetime watching the club.

I’m giving him Tuesday and Saturday to change my mind - I want it to work!

Changing the manager will not magically solve all of our issues & massively turn our fortunes around.

However, I think it would help with some things, yes.

Worse than Jody Morris.

At half time I was hoping for a smash & grab win.
Early goal in 2nd half might have changed matters but in reality it could have been a much heavier defeat.
A concerningly uncompetitive performance. Putting the effort in is fine but on its own is not enough.

The only positive was the "get out of our club" chant.
This should become a fixture in games regardless of how the team is performing.
The "what a load of rubbish" ones were entirely correct.

The team got some good support yesterday.
The fans deserve much better than that.

It's strange. The last two games I have watched with 2 non-Swindon fans whom are not premier league sofa fans.

One is a Watford fan (an ex semi pro who played for Wycombe and boreham wood many years ago) and one is a Huddersfield fan, they are totally independent.

Last week their conclusion was we were decent and unlucky against Carlisle. We were much the better team.

This week we were unlucky not to get a draw.

I thought we were below par this week but it's interesting hearing what a non partizan fan thinks of the games.

Just seen the highlights of the second goal. Christ on a bike, that was Sheridan season bad.

Fair bit of unhappiness around again!  Problem starts at the very top, there is a cancer in the club that needs eliminating - we were doing ok until Rob Angus "resigned", gone down hill very quickly since then.  So very sad to see

Your last line sums it up perfectly.
So very sad to see where this Football club are and where it is heading.

Decent support yesterday considering and feel for those that travel to every home and away game because this is not enjoyable no matter how you look at it.

Just keep on telling myself it won’t be like this forever but seriously questioning the sanity of why do I bother. Trying desperately hard not to allow it to impact my life but it does.
Defeats can be shook off relatively quickly but the Club and the whole atmosphere around it is like a disease.

Why can’t we just be a well run decent club, is that too much to ask and expect?

Competently run would do tbh.

First time I've not gone to Burslem in a long time.  Up until January I used to go to pretty much every away game but now pick and choose.  There has to be another reason to go, as the football is so shit that there is no anticipation before the game, or excitement after it.  Just cannot justify spending the time and money to watch it.

Last week I can sort of see where they are coming from. Not taking over that again.

This week though, are you sure they aren't just humouring you?

 we lost .  We are bouncing around the bottom of the football league. That's it really

For me that was a terrible performance yesterday.

Last week we showed some fight and were very unlucky to lose how we did IMO.

Vs Vale I thought we didnt look like a team and were laboured in our attacking approach and very poor at the back, again.

We need a new tactical direction IMO as its just not working, is Russell going to allow Kennedy to change it? its absolutely blatant our tactics (what we have of them) just arent working, we arent creating anything decent in many games.

Yes with better finishing Drinan "could" have scored a couple of goals but hes here for a reason, he wasnt good enough for Orient and I am not entirely convinced hes good enough for L2 either.

But also on a different day Stockley if he didnt have a 50p head could easily have scored 5 on his own with the amount of times he outjumped our CB's and won almost everything put into the box, certainly 1st half.

I don't like keep chopping and changing the manager but my patience is wearing thin with Kennedy, some tactics and subs seem odd at best and baffling at worst.

Are the tactics entirely down to Kennedy? I dont think so, as Morris said previously he couldnt work without having full control and his hands being tied.

Also FWIW I dont want Caddis here, I dont get the obsession with ex players, let him grind out a career at Hereford and actually achieve something there before we get a chance to ruin him by not giving him full control over the team tactics and signings.

Yes I am angry with that yesterday, it was utter dross and not for the first time this season.

Condolances to Keff King for the loss of his mother.

Just had an interesting civilised discussion about Russell on twitter.

Is he 'performing well under impossible circumstances' (budget, direction from ' above')  v 'part of the problem as head of football' is the essence.

Either could be true, because I don't know how much the likes of kiely and Hart interfere with Russell's direction and Kennedy's wishes- and they may not.

At the end of the day he's 'head of football'. The buck stops there for me.

But would it be worse if he became Clem's next fall guy. Could it be worse?

I genuinely don't think anyone can be successful under this mob. As a director of football or a head coach or overall manager, whatever. They're all on a fucking hiding to nothing.

Downward spiral irrespective.

Looking onwards to Tuesday night at Tranmere, will need to wait until Kennedys pre match presser for whether or not we can expect to go to this powerhouse of football and compete or not. I imagine they’re another team who “will be up there” at the end of this season and we should be happy to leave there with anything more than a hiding.

Mark Kennedy on goalscoring: "Although we are low on goals, I dont worry about us on scoring goals or creating goals. I know actually we are very, very good at that so that dosen't concern me going forward."

He's big on scoring goals but he isn't obsessed with it. He's not worried about not scoring.

Tuesday night 11pm.....

https://youtu.be/1Yrvboz99b4?si=UNtkQOaxdlAjOHxU

According to this before yesterday:
https://footystats.org/england/efl-league-two/xg

We were 9th on XG , 20th XG v actual

So are we really terrible at that

Every time he opens his mouth he reminds me more and more of Trump.   He's an ideologist who believes he, his methods and the people he has hired are just better than anyone else, totally ignoring the facts and reality.

I just want a pragmatic manager who is willing to make decisions to get as many points as possible from the shit hand he's been dealt and Kennedy is just so far from that.

This just popped into my head, I've no idea why....

https://youtu.be/n_Jbk6gqRfo?si=PbKOqf9yHdpyOhmq

We probably score a truck load of goals in training….








when the strikers are playing against our own defence!!!

Not if it's attack v defence! Stalemate every day

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyJalZ_nsrc

Nice to see they’ve adopted our song when they score - pity we didn’t hear it a lot more at the County Ground.

If you mean Glad All Over I'm putting you on negative points in the prediction League. It's the only way you'll learn 😁

A fair point by the commentators there that Vale's form had started to turn: 7/9 (now 10/12)

Tranmere :  1/9 (L Colchester, Gillingham both 3-0 A; D Salford H)

Harrogate:  6/9 (W  Bradford H, Donny H; L Crewe A)

Cheltenham: 1/9 (L Salford A, Fleetwood H; D chesterfield A)

Swindon: (3/9)

There we go.. Harrogate have had 2 impressive home performances but lost to Crewe and Cheltenham in last 2 away. Tranmere and Cheltenham are not in good form.

Time to get some points or start to get worried

The club interview from Mark Kennedy is much better than his radio effort

Really feel for him personally when he explained Jeff Kings absence

https://youtu.be/00bs7BsfKQk?si=85x-YYI31mVeBjfX

I hope he turns this around somehow as he seems a nice person. Unfortunately that doesn't win games.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Not far off that now. !!    :) :)

I know it’s been covered but I just listened back to Kennedy’s post match interview on the clubs YouTube.

That first half or so is really really bad. The attitude and impression that we’ve come away to some Goliath of football and all week we’ve been shaking in our boots at what Port Vale are going to do to us. I can’t emphasise how poor and disappointing that is for a manager of Swindon Town in league two, regardless of all else.

It’s a sad state of affairs that we’ve been reduced to that. Whilst we don’t want to be fed lies or delusion, we also don’t want to be fed this rhetoric that we’re basically minnows in this division now and “shouldn’t be expecting to come to sides like Port Vale and win 3-0” from our manager. Where does the reduction in our standards stop? It’s laughable.

I’ve been fairly unmoved by talks of changing manager so far, we all know the issues in the club run much deeper and any replacement will likely be Gunning/Bignot but the pre and post match talk from our manager this week has really irked me, at the very least for us at this level, you want a manager who’s going to install some fight and belief into the squad and fanbase, not contribute to this slump in atmosphere.

Wellens had that character to raise the standards, take us back towards a “we’re a big fish in this division, let’s act like it” mentality even in somewhat difficult circumstances. Those standards from the manager feeds down towards the players and outwards to the fans. What we’ve got at the minute is a feeling sorry for ourselves/bordering on loser mentality.

Crystal Palaces song you mean?