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Please post any messages to Clem here. Try and be constructive and not insulting. I'm sure he reads this so maybe they will get through. This should be messages only not discussion.

I have been a supporter for 45 years, a season ticket holder for many of them. I was actually once voted supporter of the year. I live abroad and only now get to the county ground when visiting England. I do however watch every week religiously on ifollow. I can't be bothered anymore. This is easily the worst team I have seen in my lifetime. Under your stewardship we are looking at achieving our worst ever league position. Yet I still pay and watch. But no more. I really can't be arsed to even turn the TV on. It's that depressing watching week in and week out I will no longer be watching.this is what your ownership and your appointments have achieved. A life time of support. So now disinterested I will be doing other things with my Saturday afternoon.


From mods: messages not directed at Clem will be deleted. This is not a discussion thread please  :smugfu:

You need more experienced football people running the football club, period.

If you can’t afford to finance the club - then seek outside investment; ideally not from criminals.

Can we see the latest detailed accounts? Thanks.

Please sell. Let us start again with a new ownership.
The hangers on can go too.
Please dont give Gunning the job full time.
No nore money from me until things change up top.

Get the fuck out of our club.

What's your favourite cheese?

Echoing what has already been said, please sell, and if that’s not something you will consider, at least take it seriously and get rid of the Austins and Harts of this world.

 I am thinking about cycling in to matches.  where can I park my bicycle?

I have been a supporter for 56 years and a season ticket holder for many.
I will not be renewing my season ticket next season whilst the present set up stays.
I stopped going this season at the beginning of this year and have no plans to go again this season.
PLEASE SELL, SO WE CAN MOVE ON

Won Nationwide Supporter of the year in 2002 and gifted the Club half of the prize money.
Sponsored the Club every season until this one, no more and stopped.

Associate yourself with undesirables and convicted criminals it will never wash off. This is no better than the Power era and legacy.

Nothing you do or say has any time lines or date commitments.
Only watching out of loyalty. The Club is like the pitch, a sorry state.

Make everyone happy by officially putting the Club up for sale and at least gaining a crumb of respect.
You are not fit for purpose neither are you appointments. No football experience within the Club and 18th in League Two with one of the biggest Revenues.
Let’s see a full and open transparent set of accounts that once again is one of your failed promises.

Just go.

Thanks for your time and efforts Clem, it is appreciated, but its time to sell up and move on now so we can progress as a club.

Thats all, no "fuck off now" or anger, just please officially put the club up for sale, if you are indeed the 100% owner of it again (if you ever were) and let the club prosper under new forward thinking owners who may be able to financially support the club better and develop the County Ground into a stadium fit for purpose.

Please sell up- you don’t have the funds to sustain the club and get us back to league one and stay there

And take all the undesirable hangers on with you

Another long term ST holder not renewing next season

It's quite clear you have neither the resources or competency to successfully maintain the wellbeing of 8k+ individuals on a weekly basis. Know you're well intended but this isn't an egg and spoon race on sports day, this is supposed to be a serious business and you're letting us all down. It's time to let someone else try.

I will not be renewing until you and your hanger ons have left. Time to drain the swamp.

if you can't afford it, you can't have it.

Your position is now untenable. Whatever your intentions were when you became owner the facts are you’ve chosen to associate yourself with convicted criminals and other chancers who clearly don’t have the clubs best interests at heart.

The clubs infrastructure is more skeletal than it has ever been, most National league clubs have a more professional set up than exists here.

You are having to resort to regularly pushing out lies and mistruths in the hope you can maintain some kind of support. That can’t be a healthy life to live?

You’ve paid the most generous fan in the clubs history the ultimate disservice claiming you gifted the fans half of the ground. The reality is the late Nigel Eady gifted you 50% of the ground and you’ve never had the decency to properly apologise for that statement which is truly unforgivable.

In a similar vein you guilt tripped supporters into giving up season ticket refunds in return for a name on a cheap plastic plaque that won’t stand the test of time. Again the supporters have never seen anything tangible in return for such a sacrifice.

Since you got 50% ownership of the County Ground you’ve been near radio silent and your charm offensive has come to a grinding halt. This gives the impression the ground was all you ever wanted so that you could increase the value of your asset?

It’s time for you to sell, you are just a temporary custodian of an almost 150 year old community asset. If you can’t afford to run it, or run it right it’s time to pass it on to someone who can.
Rumours of inflated price of tags for the club have been suggested, you’ve done nothing to deserve making a profit from the club and you don’t deserve to get one. You should be grateful if you just get your money back as if you aren’t careful your greed will see you lose everything. Nigel Eady’s generosity adding an asset to the balance sheet should help with that.

Sell up before your name is in the history books for all the wrong reasons.

Clem
As you know “if you don’t pay they will take it away”😡

When you do sell us, please don't just pass us along to another of your gang's crooked mates.

You have cut the club down to the bone, there's nothing left to skimp and save on, you will be the death of this club. Hoping for two worse teams each season to drop out of the league ahead of us is not a sustainable business model...

I won't be renewing my family's season tickets, the money is disappearing somewhere but it's clear its not headed onto the pitch. You have continued Power's steady decline (19/20 season apart) and will see this club into non-league soon. We've had enough.

Sorry Clem,

The OP of this thread asked for constructive criticism. I'm sure you'll be aware of the phrase by the eccentric English writer, Charles Caleb Colton {no relation to helpless former Town Goalkeeper RC-C} although you may associate it similarly with the Disney movie Bambi {also no relation to myself, incidentally}:

''If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all...''

Unfortunately, I have nothing constructive to say.

Regards,

Dear Mr Morfuni,

With the greatest respect please just sell the club to more competent personnel that can drive the club forward. This club is too big for you and needs owners who can run the business properly and not from the other side of the world. Unfortunately there is nothing left you can say otherwise as I no longer believe anything you say. I will also not be renewing 2 season tickets next season. In fact I’ve already stopped putting further money into the club as my pre match routine is no longer in Legends Lounge but an alternative pub and I no longer use the club shop or any kiosks within the ground.

Without sounding a total dick could we kep this to messages not discussion, we have so many other threads for discussion, I wanted one place where Clem could just see a load of messages directed at him.

If possible could an admin delete discussion posts? or am i being a dick?

Definately this.

Yes

Clem,

I've been a fan of this football for around 35 years. I've seen lots of ups and down over these years but all have generally taken place far higher up the football pyramid than we find ourselves in now. Looking at the current state of this football club, surely you have to admit that you are failing desperately in your attempt to run it. Since you took over, we have gradually got worse and worse and we're now in the pretty much to worst position we have been in. Does that sit well with you? Surely you have to admit that you do not have the know how or finances to successfully run a football club.

Running a football club isn't an easy thing to do and plenty have failed before. But this club desperately needs and deserves investment, and that's the only way you'll ever get anywhere near a return from it. Developing young players to sell on needs capable coaching staff and facilities. Have a first team who win matches needs a capable manager, coaching staff, analysts, physios etc. We also need experienced commercial staff, scouts, people with football knowledge in senior positions at the club. 

This club has a great fanbase who have stuck with the club through very hard times and huge potential, but we all deserve so much more than you are giving us.

Please, please put the club up for sale and let someone come in with the knowledge and finances to give this club what it deserves.

Are these actually going to get to Clem?

Same as letters to Santa I guess.

Please employ someone to run the football club, who actually knows how to run a football club.

If you intend to keep the club then please employ people like an experienced CEO who has experience of running a football club and give them control and step back, to get the club running like a proper football club rather than jobs for ex employee's have no experience.

Then appoint a manager giving him control of football operations without having one hand tied behind his back.

If you cant afford to run the club then look to sell the club and don't spoil your legacy by handing it over to the first person that shows you a brown paper bag.

Thank you Clem for giving me my weekends back and saving me lots of money

To add to the list I am another season ticket holder who wont be renewing next season... Clem you clearly don't have the resources to take us forward either on or off the pitch, sell to someone who does.

The fans forum requested questions be sent in, so I did. Unsurprisingly none of them were answered.

The gist of mine was

"As a Season ticket holder for almost 20 years, who travels 5 or 6 hours for every home game, based on how the club is being run what can you say to me to convince me to renew our season tickets for next season?"

I couldn't answer that Posh to be fair  :D

Any regrets Clem?

Je ne regrette rien

We're on course for our lowest league position finish in 143 years. How does it feel to potentially be a record breaker?
Congratulations.
Possibly followed by the biggest drop in ST sales from one season to the next? Who knows?

Can you put that Mercedes through that car wash for me

Hi Clem
Please can you sort the following issues:
- Training ground with drainage
- Experienced spine to the squad
- Experienced management team with the tools to succeed
- Experienced CEO who understands fan engagement.
- County ground redevelopment asap
- County ground maintenance
- A midfield
- Transparency on ownership
- Playing surface
- Funding and cash flow issues
Many thanks 😊

Clem, give the money back now!

?

To whom in particular?

???

What money?

I see you flew to Manchester tonight to play for FC Copenhagen versus Manchester City. The appearance fee should come in handy for signing players in the Summer  :hmmm:




#Clem

Clem, just fuck off now, fella. Sell us to someone who can sustain a football club.

The answer is “change your mindset”, weren’t you listening! 👂

Doubt we'll see AN Other on here again this season, small positives and all that.

Any sign of emotion from the crowd tonight or was it business as usual of watching and walking out in silence?

FUCK OFF NOW YOU BLOOD SUCKING CUNT.

Please just fuck off out of our club

You have turned us into a total embarrassment never thought I would see us stoop this low.

Please sell up and take all your dodgy hangers on with you

Just please sell to somebody who has zero ties to any of the shit storm from the past decade.

That is all.

Walk away with a huge profit for all I care. Just please let this be over.

Get rid of the criminal element & then sell to someone who can afford to run the club.

In the meantime get a proper manager who doesn’t sound like a grumpy child when being interviewed & for god’s sake employ someone who knows how to run a functioning football club

Please remember the 1st post and try not to put in silly insults.

Yes we are all absolutely frustrated but no need for any personal insults.

That ship has sailed I think. Not sure there's anything constructive that can be said anymore.

It probably has but there are plenty of other threads to vent peoples spleens in TBH.

Hi Clem, how are things going with the Australian Government investigations into your Axis dealings?

Better than having the UK government looking in to any Adam Hart dealings, one would imagine.

Have you got nothing to say about creating the worst team, worst management, worst run club in my time as a supporter?

How are season tickets selling so far?

Good luck running the club next season.

Again, time has gone for constructive criticism.

Fuck off you fucking cunt. Sell up now.

My pounds will be staying at home come August. Won't miss you or the entourage. I shook your hand ( lucky you) 3 years ago but now I wash my hand thoroughly and often to diminish the stain.
Such a disappointment. Go, and go for good today.

This is a mirror image of my meeting him three years ago at Supermarine. Second time was when I bought my last replica shirt, even have a selfie with digger. What was I thinking? It is also a mirror image of my financial involvement and intent.
First time, shame on you, second time, shame on me. There WILL not be a third time.

Most of us thought this was a new beginning. No shame there.

As soon as he tried to appoint Xav Austin was the first of many red flags. Didn't take long.

Please in the name of god go

do you like Tim Tams?

Bump

Please fuck off Clem

Clem just do us all a favour- fuck off and take your dodgy hangers on with you.

You’ve killed our club- are clueless how to run a football club so please sell up now.

Everything about the club is amateur.

Fuck off you cunt. The hangers on might want a lot of money, but if you keep holding on you'll be getting nothing because we'll liquidate.

Falling crowds and falling revenue will tell you more than you are probably willing to accept from our posts.

STFC can be assured that thousands like me are prepared to stand by STFC in Non- League.

We're not prepared to support any continuation of the calculated neglect that sees us heading in that direction - even if we escape relegation.  

We know there will be zero transparency and zero partnership with the fans or Trust while you remain in charge.  You know you have taken the club backwards.  

Set the club free to pursue its own destiny NOW while you still have the chance.  You can still claim you rescued it whilst conceding you regrettably lacked the knowhow or cash to secure its safety.  But you have to act NOW.

Just sell up.
You’ve had chances just fuck off.

Clem, you're doing a great job of getting us out of league two,  we'll be a national league club in no time

Spot on

Exactly this. It's so bad I'd accept liquidating and going back through the leagues right now or I feel like we're just wasting time with these jokers and we're going to end up well down in to the non leagues anyway.

What a clueless comment

Good idea, we’ve got a brand new team, a new manager, based on todays result it’s all gone to shit. We should liquidate the club with immediate effect. Sack the manager, sack the players, sack everyone and start again as a phoenix club in 25/26

It’s what Power should have done.

Finished us off.

If you want change at the top there are three ways as I see it.

Starve the club of revenue. The team go on a death spiral of continuous defeats or the latter results in the former to create a perfect storm.

We are already out of the league cup. I cannot see us doing anything in the car dealership cup. As for the FA Cup, what are the odds on us getting to round three?

Coming from you mate, I appreciate it.

I wouldn't back us to get to round one if we weren't automatically in it.

Still laughing at this. Lets hear your take resident clueless.

People overreacting? Clubs not really in freefall? Everything is fine?

We are screaming national league like no other time in the last 20 years.  Whilst it was disappointing last year to axe virtually the entire squad was a huge gamble.  Today’s showing I cannot use performance was abysmal.  When a squad shows so little effort on home debut beggars belief.  I could pick out individual players but I’d be here all night.

The coach already looks like a rabbit in the headlights. Some quite frankly baffling changes with those coming on looking equally disinterested.  Before the window closes some seriously good footballers need to come through the door and the coach needs to setup with a formation that suits them.  I fear the worst already and will be placing money on us being relegated based upon todays shambles.

Off the pitch wasn’t a lot better, the legends lounge whilst looking nice had loads of staff but they had as much interest and application as the players.  Would have been quicker to pour my own drink ten of them loitering around serving appropriately three customers at a time.

This needs to be run like a business where you care about your products and consumers.  Neither was good today

Today was a bad day.
Tomorrow may be better.
That's football

But we are Swindon Town.
To not be able to put a challenge in for division 4 promotion is simply unacceptable. Relying on getting lucky is unacceptable. Having no obvious plan in turning things around is massively unacceptable.
To burden the club with ex-cons is unacceptable.

Fuck off.

You don't sound as worried about being out of the league all together as the rest of us. Apart from STFC Manc probably.

I’ve never known Duke leave early so you know things are bad.

You want the club liquidated, explain that to Bury fans, who actually lost their club.

We're heading that way anyway unless we get new owners, just a lot slower? At least liquidating we'll be rid of the hangers on and can start are recovery quicker.

Obviously ideally I want new owners and rid of the crooks, but that doesn't appear to be an option available to us, does it?

One day you'll take your head out of your ass and realise the shit we're in. You and the rest of the clowns clapping at the end of the game.

Speaking of clueless its infuriating how clueless a lot of our fans are to that fact.

I don't often agree with you but I do here. Our league status is a huge asset and there are no guarantees any phoenix club comes back.

I suppose some may enjoy trying, but there are loads of non league teams around to support already.

Its an asset we're gonna lose under this mob anyway. That is the whole point.

Bye Clem, no more cash from me.

Yeah I get that, but until we lose it I'm not giving up that Clem will fuck off first.

I stayed until the end, i did even momentarily put my hands together as players trudged round the pitch, it was barely a “clap” but I’m sure that makes me a “clown” in the eyes of some and that’s fine, doesn’t bother me.
I want Clem and all the hangers on gone, I really do, but I want to still be a league club when that happens, i don’t have a clue how long we need to hang on until that happens, but right now that is what I am doing, I’m hanging on in (possibly forlorn) hope. That for me is why I did my little clap, a poor team after 2 games is still preferable to a poor demoralised team after 2 games.

A very well measured post, which I agree with. 

It feels like a dream at the moment, as far away as the premier league is. It just doesn't seem realistic. Its widely accepted now that buyers have been there as well. The hangers on are killing us.

One way or another we need a clean break and right now there only looks like one way of getting it.

Only if it would be that simple for Morfuni to pack up his traps and simply leave.
Suggest he will be the finish of STFC.
Try to remember all the crap that he has said over the years since being the major shareholder and owner.
The major thing that pushes my button is how "his" club purchased the County ground and he was good enough to gift 50% to the Trust (STFC supporters). Thank you Clem.
Remind, who donated the money and when was this gift donated ?
If what I have been told is correct, basically you had nothing to do with the finances with the purchase and you did not gift the Trust 50%.
My friend, I am sure karma will deliver you the life that you deserve.
Sorry to say, you will be the end of STFC as we know it.

I'm not from Swindon, I've never lived in Swindon, the only connection I have is the fact that I was born in Wiltshire so followed the only football league club in Wiltshire.

If they get relegated, they are still my team, if they disappear completely and a new club is formed, it's not the team I follow, I may as well support Chippenham or Devizes. Not that I would do a 250 mile round trip to see either of those.

I'm with Batch, just holding out until Clem (but more importantly the hangers on) fuck off

Two schools of thought there. Mine is that a football club is more than a holding company and a registration title. Its the people and its their history.

AFC Wimbledon is Wimbledon. They are one and the same.

I wonder what the fans would think if Power bought out Clem…..the worst of two evils I know😁

Wish he would just fuck off and take his money washing hangers on with him !!!

The problem is shown in the last few pages, the fanbase is divided.  In a thread that is supposed to be directed at Clem, fans having a pop at each other due to their point of view, no different to what is going on in the country.

It's no good pointing out the idiocy of the point of view of other fans, we should be doing that in the direction of the ownership, so there needs to be a common ground that everyone is united about, although it baffles me as to why that is not already plain to see given what we are seeing with our own eyes.

 Unfortunately, it's been an unhealthy mix at STFC since Clem stepped in.

Too many instances of shady characters, rumours and stories of certain motives that don't align with club traditions, not following protocols and cutting corners legally or at least from my perspective, it seems that way, gatekeeping and running the club from an ivory tower rather than investing in people that passionately care about our club and those that know when to be truthful about involvement and actions.

His reign is leaving a scar across our club and it's just getting deeper the longer he is here.

Clem appears to be too proud to admit he's gotten nearly everything wrong and too proud to admit his plan isn't working.

I wonder how he thinks he can get the money he wants to sell the club when he's turned us on our head and we are just a shambles. It's like trying to charge the price of a Ferrari for a push bike.

Clem won't budge. I think he likes it that way.

‘Too many instances of shady characters, rumours and stories of certain motives that don't align with club traditions, not following protocols and cutting corners legally or at least from my perspective, it seems that way, gatekeeping and running the club from an ivory tower rather than investing in people that passionately care about our club and those that know when to be truthful about involvement and actions.’

He did. Lest you forget Aberdeen Angus. Didn’t hang round to long did he. And a wall of silence since. We know why 🤐 Though.

I think that sums Moufuni up though.

Technically the club did gift it to the trust side of the JV didn't they? In that I think it went into the clubs coffers and straight out again.

But that was not charity. It was the NE estate conditions. It was just an accountancy quirk.

Clem and half truths/errors/didn't think it matters. He's either shift as fuck or a complete moron. Or a complete moron on the strings of those that are shifty as fuck.

 
 He did. Lest you forget Aberdeen Angus. Didn’t hang round to long did he. And a wall of silence since. We know why 🤐 Though.

 Ah, yes of course.
 The running of the club under the stewardship of Clem has been disgraceful and it doesn't look like ending anytime soon.
I live in hope though...

I'm so ready for the cycle to end. A new owner can take my money instantly, get back to watching the team I love and I would care less if the team struggled this season. We can rebuild, just waiting for the parasite to fuck off. Momentum was building last season and the summer made it collapse. The trust did their job and hopefully they aren't far off restarting pressure on the board regardless of results

I'd probably hold off and wait and see if the crooks were truly gone if we got new owners, but yeah other than that I'd be looking to get a season ticket once I was satisfied that was the case. I'll be all in on it even if we're non league or worse, conference south.

When it happens I'm all in.

We've seen the potential with the false dawn of Clem being the saviour. 10k gates even with a small portion of fans uncomfortable with the begging fans not to take refunds.

You can’t get free tickets every game 4D !!.

Even they are hard to give away🤣

Wouldn't even want a freebie mate  :D
Can't put up with that tripe, the club is clueless.

Well 2.30 Saturday is going to be bloody carnage if we lose at Crewe. Lose 1-0 and we played well will only paper over the cracks for a short time. 2 goal margin or more with no real clue how to play, then this site and all the other STFC socials are going to be a blood bath.

 Well, if we do lose to Crewe then Kennedy can say, ' Told you so'.

If I ran a business where a repeat customer of 28 years (occasional for 50 overall) suddenly stopped purchasing and I had their email and phone numbers, I would notice that and be in touch to see what the problem was and how I could help resolve it. In my case for non-footballing reason I cannot renew, but I could infrequently attend and spend money. There's been no contact at all. It's not an ego thing on my part  but just a business observation. Clems team either cannot be arsed or are incompetent or a mixture of the two. The buck stops with the owner and his decisions which have shaped how the business is run. For that reason, along with the sentiments already expressed on here which I agree with, sell now and never return.

It was stark walking up to the CG just how much effort they had actually made to the CG during the summer. The stands are starting to look like it needed a fresh coat of paint and the club shop, with the half and half puma/Adidas boards just looks like amateur hour. Fair play to the club for the renovation of the Legends Lounge, that was never going to get universal praise of course, but they have put their hands in their pockets to give the fans a good experience pre-game. Many people also said how good the pitch looked, I agree but if you can't get your pitch looking pristine for the first home game of the season, then you may as well give up. If Clem and Co could be summed up in an emoji it would be the shrug of the shoulders. That's the vibe I'm getting, and if they can't be bothered, why should the paying customers.

This lot are making us look more and more of a laughing stock as each week passes.

Just sell up and go.

I spent £42.50 at the ground on Saturday, including ticket. That worked out at about £1 a minute for the time I bothered staying. Just can't face giving that lot any more money. I'm out until the regime changes, just not enjoying it which is what it should be all about.

Yep, sell up and fuck off asap.

Didn't Clem say/commit to doing monthly video updates? I may have missed it but is this another admin error or did I imagine something that wasn't promised?

This.  Been a season ticket holder for many seasons but have not renewed this season due to what goes on behind the scenes at this club.  I have not received any communication regarding lack of renewal, as BOA says, most companies would be asking questions, maybe this club already know the answers. 

Just to pick up on the fair play to the club putting their hands in their pocket. Isn't the mandatory JV rent meant to go towards ground improvements? So it's not the club spending as such it isn't instead of the rent which used to go to the council.

It’s a difficult one, they could blanket contact people who hadn’t renewed, but it’s likely that at least one of those has died, imagine the amount of shit they would get if they tried to hassle the family of the dead person.

It would make more sense to put out a blanket message on social media asking for feedback as to why people hadn’t renewed

You are probably right to be fair.

Somebody on FB claimed that Eady estate money was being used on the legends.

I can't think of a single reason why the Eady trust would do that, but I thought I'd mention it.

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/gc-media-assets-v2.gc.swindontownfcservices.co.uk/297d2020-42b3-11ef-a4ce-c725c7fa2353.pdf

I did think I remembered something on the Legends, seems it was to be a three way deal and it does appear again in July's notes as a JV update.  To be fair, that is what the JV was designed to do, reinvest the rent money into the ground.

We will moan about absolutely everything, especially right now with how bad things are, but cold calling former customers is a standard business practice and I'd like to think most fans would at least accept that truth.

Found myself watching videos of Barrow home and Walsall away in the Ben Garner season

Our support when everybody is pulling the right direction is phenomenal.

We are a million miles away from that now.

Please do the right thing.

Seem in denial about it if they do.

That was just a classic Trumpism, say what i need to say now to get out of the line of questioning, and then just ignore it, these numpties won't remember...

To bring it closer to a TEF example, i used to run the Player Sponsorship on here and the club always contacted me every year about renewing.  I received no contact after Clem bought the club and we haven't sponsored a player since then.  My example is £500 a year so no great shakes, but if it happened to me/us, then how many other times has it happened where there was money on the table that they just let go.

The club shop signage just sums up this whole regime. Something breaks and theirs just no attempt to fix it and not a single bit of pride take in running the club or the image it portrays. That signage fell down 6 months ago and it’s just been left in the state it is now ever since.

Morfuni and the gang clearly have absolutely no interest in the actual club so just go!

It has a bit of "Broken Window theory" about it really with regards to this ownership, rather than crime (albeit, there maybe some truth there also with this lot).  Don't care about the window that is broken, people just get used to it and don't bat an eyelid once all of the windows are broken.  The CG has a lot of "broken windows" that need fixing

Do not shut the door on your way out

Just go now please- we are a big club for this division but are struggling due to your utter ineptness

Go now and you may get a fair price( not inflated due to your crooked hangers on)

Go out of the FL and you will lose out even more so exit now please

Problem will only be solved when the gullible stop listening to his bullshit and falling for it every year.