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Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Outletred on Friday, May 12, 2023, 12:39:12
Wrexham probably will sign everybody considering FFP doesn’t apply to them for the first year (it should do)


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 12, 2023, 12:44:26
Wrexham probably will sign everybody considering FFP doesn’t apply to them for the first year (it should do)

FFP won't impact them. Their income from commercial deals, merchandise etc will far outstrip anyone in the League. They sold nearly 30,000 shirts this season, have their deal with Disney, TikTok, Expedia etc etc.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, May 12, 2023, 12:51:09
FFP won't impact them. Their income from commercial deals, merchandise etc will far outstrip anyone in the League. They sold nearly 30,000 shirts this season, have their deal with Disney, TikTok, Expedia etc etc.

Broadly agree, they will be top of the tree even under FFP constraints. But I'm sure the deals have to be scrutisied so they are of a fair value for a L1/2 club? It wont stop them buying their way out but it wont be *as* easy as it is in the NL.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 12, 2023, 12:52:58
Broadly agree, they will be top of the tree even under FFP constraints. But I'm sure the deals have to be scrutisied so they are of a fair value for a L1/2 club? It wont stop them buying their way out but it wont be *as* easy as it is in the NL.

As Salford found out


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 12, 2023, 12:56:55
Broadly agree, they will be top of the tree even under FFP constraints. But I'm sure the deals have to be scrutisied so they are of a fair value for a L1/2 club? It wont stop them buying their way out but it wont be *as* easy as it is in the NL.

There is no fair value argument unless it is the Aviation Gin one, which Reynolds part owns. They aren't cooking the books like Etihad/Man City (allegedly).

And as for Salford, they are constrained by FFP in that they have the commercial value of your local girls u-11 side, so the owner is the only real source of funds.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Sippo on Friday, May 12, 2023, 13:02:15
I am sure most of us would want to swap places with Wrexham.

Yes it's a bandwagon, but why cannot the bandwagon come through Swindon?

The Wrexham owners will sell the club eventually, so why not enjoy it now?


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 12, 2023, 13:26:43
FFP won't impact them. Their income from commercial deals, merchandise etc will far outstrip anyone in the League. They sold nearly 30,000 shirts this season, have their deal with Disney, TikTok, Expedia etc etc.

But have they sponsored the sponsors yet?  We'll out Commercial them.

To be fair, they've gone about in a way that ensures they are underpinned by Reynolds, but the finance is coming through legitimate channels.  Their revenue will be beyond everyone else in the Division.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 12, 2023, 13:29:48
You'd hope someone in marketing/commercial is going to leverage the increased interest/global coverage that Wrexham will bring to L2 next season to get us the best deals but I won't hold my breath...

If iFollow still works abroad, you'd think the subscriptions for our home game against them would provide a decent injection.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: welshred on Friday, May 12, 2023, 13:31:13
I am sure most of us would want to swap places with Wrexham.

Yes it's a bandwagon, but why cannot the bandwagon come through Swindon?

The Wrexham owners will sell the club eventually, so why not enjoy it now?

Of course we'd all take owners like that if it was a choice. Its just pure jealousy that they have that sort of backing and we don't which makes the endless media attention even more annoying.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, May 12, 2023, 13:34:27
I am sure most of us would want to swap places with Wrexham.

Yes it's a bandwagon, but why cannot the bandwagon come through Swindon?

The Wrexham owners will sell the club eventually, so why not enjoy it now?

I agree would love for it to be us rather than Wrexham.

The media narrative of it being a fairy-tale winds me up though, it's hardly a fairy-tale to get promoted from Conference buying League 1 players. Good story for the town yes, but not a fairy-tale.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, May 12, 2023, 13:37:06
I agree would love for it to be us rather than Wrexham.

The media narrative of it being a fairy-tale winds me up though, it's hardly a fairy-tale to get promoted from Conference buying League 1 players. Good story for the town yes, but not a fairy-tale.

Fairytale for a FGR or Yeovil without any history but not for a team that had previously been established in the football league and even played in Europe a couple of times.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 12, 2023, 13:37:33
I agree would love for it to be us rather than Wrexham.

The media narrative of it being a fairy-tale winds me up though, it's hardly a fairy-tale to get promoted from Conference buying League 1 players. Good story for the town yes, but not a fairy-tale.
This. Exactly.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, May 12, 2023, 13:38:52
Hate Ben Foster too - so self-absorbed


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 12, 2023, 14:02:46
Wonder where we’d be now with Red Bull?


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, May 12, 2023, 14:03:35
Wonder where we’d be now with Red Bull?

Championship at a minimum


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, May 13, 2023, 08:12:08
Fair to say Aden Flint might need to re-calibrate his contract expectations after last night. Horror show.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, May 13, 2023, 09:12:27
If iFollow still works abroad, you'd think the subscriptions for our home game against them would provide a decent injection.

That'll be on Sky anyway I suspect.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, May 13, 2023, 09:15:28
That'll be on Sky anyway I suspect.

Not in Tulsa/Newfoundland etc.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, May 13, 2023, 10:19:33
Not in Tulsa/Newfoundland etc.

It'll be on The Fox Soccer Channel which will be the equivalent.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, May 13, 2023, 17:44:27
ESPN+ for the EFL games - Disney must be licking their lips, got the Documentary series and now likely to get a few subscriptions to another platform they own.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, May 13, 2023, 21:44:59
Tbf things have probably changed since I watched Swindon vs Notts County FA Cup replay in an Orlando British pub in December 2004. Back then anything on Sky Sports was on Fox Soccer.


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 08:34:58
I am sure most of us would want to swap places with Wrexham.

Yes it's a bandwagon, but why cannot the bandwagon come through Swindon?

The Wrexham owners will sell the club eventually, so why not enjoy it now?
I thought about this and not sure they would be totally believe it or not. Wrexhams owneres are charging 8% on the investment they make. Our fans are pissed off that our owner charges 0%


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 08:59:02
I thought about this and not sure they would be totally believe it or not. Wrexhams owneres are charging 8% on the investment they make. Our fans are pissed off that our owner charges 0%
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Sippo’s OP is an interesting one. Your response raises another interesting question.

8% on promotion v 0% on stagnation?


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 09:06:01
I thought about this and not sure they would be totally believe it or not. Wrexhams owneres are charging 8% on the investment they make. Our fans are pissed off that our owner charges 0%

From the outside whilst 8% is high, look at what they've done on and off the pitch. Record shirt sales, global sponsors signed up, (tik-tok & Expedia) football people instilled behind the scenes, competitive squad on the pitch, a very successful documentary (don't know how much that brings into the club tbf) and they've already demolished the stand behind the goal to replace it so they aren't hanging about.

Clem has done a lot of good things too, don't get me wrong and his investment in itself is incredible and generous. But deep down I reckon a lot of our fans would be happy to go down the Hollywood route.

Anyway, transfer rumours.....


Title: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 09:34:28
FFS... Can someone put this in a different thread or something... Seriously... Transfer rumours are the biggest single topic at this time of year. There's plenty of other places to chat about random shit...


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 10:45:53
FWIW, I do think the Wrexham discussion is an interesting one... Just needs its own thread, which it now has! 👍


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 10:49:08
8% return is fuck all when you're bringing in mass amounts of money and winning promotions tbf.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 11:19:56
Amazing the difference between them and local rivals Chester.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 12:31:37
8% return is fuck all when you're bringing in mass amounts of money and winning promotions tbf.
Totally agree but they didn't get it last year and their fans were still on board. I am just highlighting the difference between the fan bases.

We have a bad season like this and the 0% is being questioned, I had a look at Wrexham and despite all the influx of cash they also rely on Volunteers including their club photographer, we get absolutely slaughtered for the same thing

I wasn't saying the 8% is a bad thing but just how the fan bases are different


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 12:37:11
Totally agree but they didn't get it last year and their fans were still on board. I am just highlighting the difference between the fan bases.

We have a bad season like this and the 0% is being questioned, I had a look at Wrexham and despite all the influx of cash they also rely on Volunteers including their club photographer, we get absolutely slaughtered for the same thing

I wasn't saying the 8% is a bad thing but just how the fan bases are different

Think it just goes to show, if a club is winning games on the pitch, is in and around the promotion race, no one really cares about the off field stuff.

I don’t remember anyone calling for Lee Powers head during the Wellens season, for example.



Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 13:09:23
Bit tinpot having a thread about another club.

Bollocks to Wrexham.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 13:18:43
That's where they belong in their own league of 12 teams just like the Scottish premier leaving 4 more spots for English teams. Fuck em😆

Aberystwyth Town.
Airbus UK Broughton.
Bala Town.
Cardiff City
Caernarfon Town.
Connah's Quay Nomads.
Flint Town United.
Haverfordwest County.
Merthyr Tydfil
Newport County
Swansea City
Wrexham


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 13:57:02
Think it just goes to show, if a club is winning games on the pitch, is in and around the promotion race, no one really cares about the off field stuff.

I don’t remember anyone calling for Lee Powers head during the Wellens season, for example.



Probably because Powers “known” associates who worked for/at the club weren't convicted money launderers/drug traffickers representing the club in Karachi, despite not being able to pass the fit and proper persons test, being pictured with government officials with MOUs being signed off….. that’s just one example as to why they might not have called for him in that season. Let’s not pretend nobody called for his head either.

And just to be clear, imo Power was a rogue. Seemed like he used everyone else’s money apart from his. Was a cancer to to the  club.

And agree, when things are good, the dodgy bits get put in the shadows.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 15:21:11
There were far more rogue people working in and around the club when Power was here, the ones that remain are the remants of that, let's not forget that.  The reason they are still here is because they have helped Clem in ousting the big bad wolf from the hen house.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 16:49:20
Quote from: Berniman
  The reason they are still here is because they have helped Clem in ousting the big bad wolf from the hen house.

That's clems reason.

what's in it for them? it's it legal? does it damage the club? (rhetorical)

that's all I care about.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 17:36:44
That's clems reason.

what's in it for them? it's it legal? does it damage the club? (rhetorical)

that's all I care about.

The short answer is yes it is. The long answer is yes but not that ethical.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 07:22:01
That's clems reason.

what's in it for them? it's it legal? does it damage the club? (rhetorical)

that's all I care about.
I think they will benefit upon sale. This is just my opinion of course


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:00:55
I think they will benefit upon sale. This is just my opinion of course

Certainly no problem with Clem benefiting. If he wants to give some of that to his associates that's up to him. If it is contractually guaranteed from conditions of club sale that's a different..


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:06:31
Certainly no problem with Clem benefiting. If he wants to give some of that to his associates that's up to him. If it is contractually guaranteed from conditions of club sale that's a different..
Same thing isn't it? TBH if the intentions are to come in here, clear the debt (sort of) have plas in place to redevelopement then sell to someone with deeper pockets then i will take that all day long.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:32:47
Same thing isn't it?

I'd say Austin and el (Hart, Keiley??) being tied contractually to the club would be massively different to a private arrangement with Clem. For me anyway - would take us back into Power territory.

That said this information would be publicly available and there is no evidence to suggest this is the case

TBH if the intentions are to come in here, clear the debt (sort of) have plas in place to redevelopement then sell to someone with deeper pockets then i will take that all day long.

Flip the club, Clem makes money, we benefit. No problem.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Sippo on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:19:50
a very successful documentary (don't know how much that brings into the club tbf)

Rumoured to be about £4 million.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:31:08
Rumoured to be about £4 million.

Thanks Sippo. Not to be sniffed at really.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:41:15
From the outside whilst 8% is high, look at what they've done on and off the pitch. Record shirt sales, global sponsors signed up, (tik-tok & Expedia) football people instilled behind the scenes, competitive squad on the pitch, a very successful documentary (don't know how much that brings into the club tbf) and they've already demolished the stand behind the goal to replace it so they aren't hanging about.

It also depends on whether they are actually charging that or its some sort of internal book adjustment between associated companies, I recall the initial rumours of the extortionate interest rates Demin was charging the Muff, but that eventually went very quiet?


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 11:26:33
It will be interesting to see how Wrexham do next season, they will be seen as a big scalp by some due to their Hollywood connections, they have a few players who are on big money (Mullin anyone) and you would not bet against them signing a championship player or 2 for next season they will aim for back to back promotions, so some of the smaller teams will relish playing them and will probably enjoy hacking their players down to give them the L2 experience.


Title: Re: Wrexham mostly.
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 12:01:18
It will be interesting to see how Wrexham do next season, they will be seen as a big scalp by some due to their Hollywood connections, they have a few players who are on big money (Mullin anyone) and you would not bet against them signing a championship player or 2 for next season they will aim for back to back promotions, so some of the smaller teams will relish playing them and will probably enjoy hacking their players down to give them the L2 experience.

Not watched them this past season, but is L2 hacking that much different from NL hacking? I'm sure they've been subjected to it all season and they came through it ok. You'd imagine they'll at least challenge the top 3.