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Title: Morris gone
Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 15:58:29
Gone


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 15:59:30
I’ve heard the same


Title: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:00:45
confirmed

wtf

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-town-part-company-with-jody-morris-and-ed-brand/ (https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-town-part-company-with-jody-morris-and-ed-brand/)


Quote
Swindon Town can today confirm it has parted company with First-Team Head Coach, Jody Morris, and his assistant Ed Brand.

Morris, 44, was appointed at the end of January in what was his first senior management role in the game, and was later followed to the County Ground by assistant, Ed Brand, in early March.

We would like to thank both Jody and Ed for their contribution and efforts since joining the football club, and wish them all the very best in the future.


Our aim when they took over was to push on and finish the second half of the season strongly, but as a club, we haven’t achieved our objectives.

With just one more league game remaining before we reach the conclusion of the season, we feel now is the right time to take a fresh approach as we look to bring success back to this great club for 2023/24.


Work is well underway to find our next manager, with an announcement in due course.

Steve Mildenhall and Gavin Gunning will take charge of our final EFL Sky Bet League Two fixture at home to Crawley on Monday 8 May, kick off 12.30pm.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:01:18
Sacked or mutual consent?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:02:48
DNA in Pompey just messaged me.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:03:16
Don’t know, but I’m sure Brand is pissed off


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: molepar on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:03:18
Sacked I think. Can’t say I am disappointed at all. Maybe we can get Artell now.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:04:04
Who is doing the manager hunting if SDM has gone then i wonder


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:04:45
Surprised we’ve pulled the trigger.
Good riddance imo


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:05:09
Who is doing the manager hunting if SDM has gone then i wonder
The new DOF probably, really glad he has gone tbh


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:05:40
Absolute shambles. Can only assume we had a break clause if they had a disastrous start. Otherwise we've just set fire to a small fortune.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:06:52
Hopefully the first of a mass exodus. Morris, Sandro, Austin etc all need to be gone as just created a toxic atmosphere.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:07:16
Search for a new manager ‘is well under way’.

Mmmm.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:07:24
Just want one summer or stability please


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:07:37
Austin


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Ides of March on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:07:41
Can’t wait for the new man to be appointed in time for the 5th game of the 2023/24 season.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:08:54
Presumably made demands for next season that the club wouldn’t agree too.

Told them it’s that or he’s off and they said “bye then”


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:09:52
Sandro better also be gone or fuck me this will be a shambles.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:10:14
Just want one summer or stability please


This.

Circus of a club.
Clowns running it.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:10:31
Presumably made demands for next season that the club wouldn’t agree too.

Told them it’s that or he’s off and they said “bye then”

Contradictory post.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:10:50
Surely this is the start of a bigger plan being put in place.

fucking hell, what the fuckity fuck is going on


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:10:57
Austin as Player/Manager could be plausible.

I think this is a farcical turn of events unless we are looking at another gross misconduct situation.



Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:11:40
Christ on a pogo stick.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:11:44
Can’t wait for the new man to be appointed in time for the 5th game of the 2023/24 season.

Around the time the transfer window closes which is what Morris got. Sounds about right.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:11:52
Unexpected ST boost if the ‘right’ appointment is made in time.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:13:08
Unexpected ST if the ‘right’ appointment is made in time.

Was the early bird window extended by two months?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:14:04
Austin

Good god no.  What we do not need is to repeat the past year or so and reduce the level of experience in key roles!  Let him gain some coaching badges and experience, then work his way up the food chain.  The 80's and 90's were, literally, a different era -in those days a Macari or Ardiles could manage just by being insanely better than the players and demanding respect as a result.  Not these days.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:14:43
Sandro better also be gone or fuck me this will be a shambles.

100%, can't have that idiot take ages to make a third shit appointment

I had heard Sandro was gone, but the lack of announcement worries me.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Sippo on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:15:40
Sacked on a bank holiday. That is pwoper nawty.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:16:01
Austin as Player/Manager could be plausible.

I think this is a farcical turn of events unless we are looking at another gross misconduct situation.


No thanks. I’d rather he’s out of the club altogether, between him and his Mrs it’s unnecessary drama.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:16:14
100%, can't have that idiot take ages to make a third shit appointment

I had heard Sandro was gone, but the lack of announcement worries me.

Yeah, announcing this before Sandro leaving just fills me with dread.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Outletred on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:16:24
Be surprised if he was sacked probably walked

Why is Sandro still here as well after this absolute shite show of a season?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Lemis on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:18:32
After saying I'd be surprised if Morris wasn't our manager next season, he's gone, feels a bit out of the blue, with no in the knowers suggesting it was coming prior.

Ah well, it didn't work out, so here's to wasting half of preseason appointing the next bloke.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:19:19
If Sandro has gone/is going, who is going to oversee any new manager being appointed.

Surely Clem hasn’t been underhand for a few weeks organising things.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:19:56
No thanks. I’d rather he’s out of the club altogether, between him and his Mrs it’s unnecessary drama.

I totally agree. She’s a nightmare and he’s as thick as two short planks.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:20:00
I can only imagine that Morris' need to constantly point out the failures of others was grating those internally who were also seeing the failures of Morris.  I half imagine a scene where they are racing to be the one to hand the bit of paper to the other saying good bye.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Leggett on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:22:39
It doesn't make sense making a move like this now if it was just a results issue... something has happened to cause this. His pressers/post matches have hardly hinted at a unified Town behind the scenes. We need stability, otherwise we are in big, big trouble next season. Another summer of insecurity... fucking hell.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:25:41
Maybe his replacement is available and don’t want to chance someone else nicking him


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Sippo on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:26:18
I totally agree. She’s a nightmare and he’s as thick as two short planks.

I reckon he has caused a bit of agro in the changing rooms. Should never have come back.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:27:52
I reckon he has caused a bit of agro in the changing rooms. Should never have come back.

Remember it's Clem that brought him back, neither Sandro not Lindsey wanted him. I would be worried Austin has too much influence at the club.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:30:24
Robinson's free now - he's always secretly wanted it..........................


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:31:22
I can only imagine that Morris' need to constantly point out the failures of others was grating those internally who were also seeing the failures of Morris.  I half imagine a scene where they are racing to be the one to hand the bit of paper to the other saying good bye.

He’s definitely been given the boot.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:32:29
No one prepared to put their name to a quote in the press release. Not Clem, not Aberdeen, not Sandro.

Absolute cowardice.

"Open and transparent."

I'm calling it now. I preferred the Lee Power era. The guy was a cunt but you knew it, he knew it and it was what it was.

The whole Trust/Clem/Drugs Money Launderers 'R Us show is one dishonest, vomit inducing embarrassment after another.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:32:52
I'm not even sure what to say anymore. The clubs been such a shambles under Clem. So disappointing. I just expect them to fuck this next appointment up as well. Wouldn't surprise me if he keeps Sandro. Been rumours he's been gone for months but he keeps popping up.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: UTR on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:34:09
Can’t work out if I’m happy or sad about this. Just annoyed that we’ve wasted another opportunity to plan properly for an upcoming season and looks like a pre season of full change again. At least going to into pre season with a stable manager position means the manager knew who he wanted and didn’t want to keep. A new manager coming in will need time to assess that and I’m not sure we have that time to spend.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: blinkpip on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:34:44
Would say mutually agreed if he wanted out. Sounds we dismissed the chap.

Gerrard for me. Making us hard to beat and being in players faces is the way out of League two :)


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:35:35
Shocked, but pleased. He seemed another Sheridan. Players didn’t seem to take to him or want to play for him. Good business decision as it might help season ticket sales.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:35:46
It doesn't make sense making a move like this now if it was just a results issue... something has happened to cause this. His pressers/post matches have hardly hinted at a unified Town behind the scenes. We need stability, otherwise we are in big, big trouble next season. Another summer of insecurity...........

Exactly, there have been odd rumours and quite a few people have been saying similar things regarding the whole current setup and the feelings that of not being quite right. I think it needs Clem to make a flying visit to explain the situation and the thinking but will not hold my breath.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:35:49
Presumably made demands for next season that the club wouldn’t agree too.

Told them it’s that or he’s off and they said “bye then”

The makeup of the team will be totally different next season. Rest assured.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:36:08
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/93C4/production/_118682873_mcgreal2.jpg)


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:37:59
The makeup of the team will be totally different next season. Rest assured.

Two words that couldn't be further from summing up the last 25 years as a Town fan.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:38:09
Shocked, but pleased. He seemed another Sheridan. Players didn’t seem to take to him or want to play for him. Good business decision as it might help season ticket sales.

Harsh - Morris actually seemed intelligent.  Sheridan was one of those annoying bastards - thick as pig shit but could just play the game.  Having heard him on the touchline and in interviews, I have no idea how he gets anyone to do anything other than "fucking hit it on target".


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:38:42
The makeup of the team will be totally different next season. Rest assured.
L’Oréal instead of Maybelline


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:39:42
Quote from: Leggett
It doesn't make sense making a move like this now if it was just a results issue... .

maybe it does if we have someone lined up that's available now

otherwise why now and not next week?

interesting times


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:39:59
Ok, it wasn’t working so he’s been fired.

Next season will see a total change of squad with a mix of experience/leaders with some younger players.

I’ve had a no comment on the Sandro situation.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:41:13
Its hard to keep up with the comings & goings of STFC. My guess is he's walked after disagreeing with Clem behind the scenes.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:41:47
Two words that couldn't be further from summing up the last 25 years as a Town fan.

'Rest assured something will always go wrong' is probably more accurate


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:41:56
Quote from: Mooneyraker
I'm calling it now. I preferred the Lee Power era. .

fuck that!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:42:38
Its hard to keep up with the comings & goings of STFC. My guess is he's walked after disagreeing with Clem behind the scenes.
Sacked - defo


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:43:00
fuck that!

I thought he liked the transparency😀


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:43:14
Its hard to keep up with the comings & goings of STFC. My guess is he's walked after disagreeing with Clem behind the scenes.

He didn’t walk.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:43:46
Sacked - defo

Paid off then so less playing budget for next season!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:44:12
He didn’t walk.

Love a bit of ITK nod nod wink wink.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: oxonrobin on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:47:48
If sacked. (It reads like sacked), then feels like there must have been something written in the contract along the lines of X number of points this season, or club can terminate. Presumably that figure is unreachable now. Clem doesn’t have the money to piss away.

I don’t share the optimism of those on here thinking there is someone lined up already. History doesn’t support it, and the Gav/Mildenhall partnership is comfortably our most successful this season  ;) so no rush I guess.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:47:54
At least the forum has lit up again😀


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:48:02
Quote from: Jimmy QuitMoaning
Paid off then so less playing budget for next season!

that's a worry


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:49:02
that's a worry

It's just a thought Batch and one that is plausible


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:50:01
sorry I meant that's a legitimate worry - I share it


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:51:19
sorry I meant that's a legitimate worry - I share it

Maybe Karachi FC have a spare Manager that could do with a Visa and has a large family?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:51:50
sorry I meant that's a legitimate worry - I share it

That's what I thought you meant anyway😀


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: sir windon on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:56:34
Bloody Johnny Morris and Jo Brand could have done a better job. Blimey.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:59:47
Notable perhaps that Whelan didn't have this in advance - so perhaps Sandro is off too after all.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:00:21
Lindsey?  :tomato:


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:03:27
Notable perhaps that Whelan didn't have this in advance - so perhaps Sandro is off too after all.
Unless this was his ‘big scoop’ mooted weeks ago.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:04:10
Nixon, Nixon what does the oracle say.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:04:58
Search for a new manager ‘is well under way’.

Mmmm.

Will be announced 4 days before the start of the season no doubt.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:06:42
Will be announced 4 days before the start of the season no doubt.

After..


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Lemis on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:09:19
After..


Just in time for our annual exit from the league cup


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:11:02
Assume there will be a Non Disclosure Agreement, but there's a spectacular Morris interview to be done. I hope the LS Pod go after it!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:12:42
Maybe the problem was a difference in view on whether Austin should be here next season - Morris saying no (a view I would support from a plying perspective) and Clem saying yes.
Would put Morris in an untenable position were that the case….


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:13:35
And no coincidence that Austin hasn't played much recently


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:19:35
Just in time for our annual exit from the league cup

Yep and that.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:23:10
I imagine Austin is quite influential behind the scenes.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:24:16
I imagine Austin is quite influential behind the scenes.

If he’s more influential than the manager then you are setting yourself up to fail.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:25:01
I imagine Austin is quite influential behind the scenes.

Yeah this is a real worry, and one Clem has created.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:25:20
If sacked. (It reads like sacked), then feels like there must have been something written in the contract along the lines of X number of points this season, or club can terminate. Presumably that figure is unreachable now. Clem doesn’t have the money to piss away.

I don’t share the optimism of those on here thinking there is someone lined up already. History doesn’t support it, and the Gav/Mildenhall partnership is comfortably our most successful this season  ;) so no rush I guess.
I keep seeing these things being said and tbh it doesn;t add up. The Club have spent money this year, wat they spent it on has been shit that is the problem


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RJack on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:26:30
I can’t believe people are suggesting Charlie Austin should be the next manager FFS. He’s got no coaching badges and no managerial experience

I heard Morris walked, I don’t think he could work with next seasons budget and faced a huge task of offloading some of the dead wood before we could bring anyone else in.

The club need to show real intention now else season tickets will dwindle and the large amount of the fan base that returned when clem took over will disappear again.

Anyone else not convinced Sandro won’t be here next season?



Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:27:42
Bit harsh all this being layed at Austins door, fucking hell we love making nonsense up don't we as a fan base.

Morris has been nothing but a fucking disaster and a miserable bastard to go with it. If Austin was such a key figure he would be getting more than 10 minutes every week.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:29:03
I can’t believe people are suggesting Charlie Austin should be the next manager FFS. He’s got no coaching badges and no managerial experience

I heard Morris walked, I don’t think he could work with next seasons budget and faced a huge task of offloading some of the dead wood before we could bring anyone else in.

The club need to show real intention now else season tickets will dwindle and the large amount of the fan base that returned when clem took over will disappear again.

Anyone else not convinced Sandro won’t be here next season?


Absolutely no way he walked he was sacked and i will be amazed if Sandro is here next week let alone next season


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:30:08
Don’t understand why some people are finding it hard to believe a manager with 4 wins in 18 would have been sacked.

The results have been shit, the performances have been shit, the tactical decisions and substitutions have been shit. His man management has allegedly been shit, and his attitude around the club has allegedly been shit.

Of course he was fucking sacked, he has offered nothing since he’s been here and hasn’t given Clem any reason to keep him.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:30:19
I've no idea about the Austin thing, case of putting 2 and 2 together really.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RJack on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:30:21
True but if I was sold a pup by the club I’d be a miserable bastard too.
The club is a shambles with no personnel with footballing experience


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:31:12
Bit harsh all this being layed at Austins door, fucking hell we love making nonsense up don't we as a fan base.

Next we’ll be stalking his Mrs on Twitter….oh wait….


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:33:07
True but if I was sold a pup by the club I’d be a miserable bastard too.
The club is a shambles with no personnel with footballing experience
They need to fix this ASAP for sure. If they fuck this up then it's over for the owners imo. Hoping for a huge overhaul in the next few weeks


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:33:50
True but if I was sold a pup by the club I’d be a miserable bastard too.
The club is a shambles with no personnel with footballing experience

…was us that was sold the pup.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RJack on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:35:07
They need to fix this ASAP for sure. If they fuck this up then it's over for the owners imo. Hoping for a huge overhaul in the next few weeks
Yep.  You would think that the club will realise that if this isn’t sorted sales will drop


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:36:07
…was us that was sold the pup.

Pups being sold all over the place, Cruella De Vil would be having a field day.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RJack on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:37:02
…was us that was sold the pup.
Sure feels like it. The club aren’t putting themselves in a good light with all and sundry.
It’s great that we own the ground but they need to show intent to keep the fans coming back


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RJack on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:37:32
Pups being sold all over the place, Cruella De Vil would be having a field day.
🤣


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Lemis on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:38:48
Don’t understand why some people are finding it hard to believe a manager with 4 wins in 18 would have been sacked.

The results have been shit, the performances have been shit, the tactical decisions and substitutions have been shit. His man management has allegedly been shit, and his attitude around the club has allegedly been shit.

Of course he was fucking sacked, he has offered nothing since he’s been here and hasn’t given Clem any reason to keep him.

Think it's purely on the basis that the club comes across as completely skint, which is part of the reason I prior to the dismissal thought he would still be in charge next season as we wouldn't pay him off. Hopefully the club either has a clause to get rid cheaper or aren't as bad financially as we are led to believe


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:39:27
I keep seeing these things being said and tbh it doesn;t add up. The Club have spent money this year, wat they spent it on has been shit that is the problem

 I concur - it's not a budget problem, it's how we have gone about spending the budget.  On the one hand, we seem to be trying to run the business on a shoestring budget with volunteers all over the place.  On the other. we've spunked a wad on a massive squad of squad players.  There are so many players on our books taking a wage with next to no impact on the first team, let alone the fact the ones who are in the first team are average and lacking in so many obvious areas.  The Return on Investment, points wise, is shocking.

Plus we went and spent money on a Management duo that would not  have been cheap.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:40:17
Don’t understand why some people are finding it hard to believe a manager with 4 wins in 18 would have been sacked.

The results have been shit, the performances have been shit, the tactical decisions and substitutions have been shit. His man management has allegedly been shit, and his attitude around the club has allegedly been shit.

Of course he was fucking sacked, he has offered nothing since he’s been here and hasn’t given Clem any reason to keep him.

A lot of fans too fixated on Sandro to view anything else this objectively.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: oxonrobin on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:43:28
A lot of fans too fixated on Sandro to view anything else this objectively.

Just the financial implications for me. Paying up contracts is expensive.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:44:15
I imagine Austin is quite influential behind the scenes.

You could be correct. Assuming you are, why?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:45:58
Quote from: NotHarryAgombar
Maybe the problem was a difference in view on whether Austin should be here next season

no chance . Morris fucked it all on his own.

you may have a view that he was given nothing to work with. ok there's some truth in that

but this is not Austin v Morris. this is utter wank results v next season's budget.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:46:13
Pups being sold all over the place, Cruella De Vil would be having a field day.

Being sold a pup is far too good of a thing to happen to describe how probably both the club and Morris feel about each other.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Power to people on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:02:50
Wonder how long we agreed to pay Brand's fee to Chelsea over ?

The next manager has to be experienced, we have done the inexperienced and it hasn't worked for Clem, but what has this done to pre-season plans, player contracts etc yet again

I find it surprising that if Sandro is going why the announcements have not been rolled in together. though

Now is the time for Clem to get doing those interviews and talk to fans about the future as this is rather concerning, we was led to believe that Morris was the one they really wanted and thought he was not available to then be able to get him to sign, why hasn't it worked ? this says a lot about Clem & Sandro's skills in picking a manager as they also appointed Lindsay and he was dogshit as well.

Now is the time for the Trust to grow some balls and start to ask some awkward questions about what is going on behind the scenes, instead of sitting at the AB every month seemingly happy to be there, they need to be asking questions and speaking to their members, if this was under Power there would be statements released and pitch forks at the club reception but Clem seems to get a free pass because he 'saved' us, and they are working together, this does not wash, lets have some openness from everyone.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:06:09
Let's hope Clem is in the process of booking a flight from Australia to Heathrow to sort this mess out if he's not on his way already!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: doomster on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:07:19
I don’t feel like the club had any choice.  Had he stayed it would have been incredibly hard to attract players as he would have been under pressure immediately.  I feel like this is the safest decision and they gave him maximum time.  He often made peculiar decisions that defied logic like the substitutions away at Sutton when it was obvious Sutton would bombard us with high balls and he brought on our shortest subs.  Had they been playing attractive football then perhaps he would have survived alas we weren’t and fans were staying away.  I suspect season tickets have fallen off a cliff and the cost has risen and quality has worsened.

I was going to skip Crawley but will watch now max gav is back at the helm.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:11:59
Let's hope Clem is in the process of booking a flight from Australia to Heathrow to sort this mess out if he's not on his way already!

Problem is he is only allowed in the country x numbers of days for tax purposes, and he had an extended stay earlier this year i believe.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:26:50
has he done over 180 days? He can just get another business visa if he wants


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:31:56
Let's hope he can extend his visa otherwise it's lots of Zoom meetings which isn't ideal.


Title: Re: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:48:12
I can’t believe people are suggesting Charlie Austin should be the next manager FFS. He’s got no coaching badges and no managerial experience


Austin and Mad Gav have been doing their coaching badges together and the new women's team manager is their FA coach educator.

He was interviewed on BBC Wilts a couple of weeks ago and spoke well about of both's potential as future coaches


Title: Re: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:51:26
Austin and Mad Gav have been doing their coaching badges together and the new women's team manager is their FA coach educator.

He was interviewed on BBC Wilts a couple of weeks ago and spoke well about of both's potential as future coaches

The cynic in me says that he’s not going to say anything negative is he?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:52:16
Best that he went. There’s no way the club could maintain his fake tan budget through the winter months. An appointment like Appleton, Cowley or Artell would be good.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:52:53
One striker coach, one defensive coach. Sounds ideal.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:53:38
The problem with Appleton is his Oxford connections would fans take to him.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Lemis on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:06:07
The problem with Appleton is his Oxford connections would fans take to him.

If he does well, any Oxford connection would be quickly forgotten.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:08:45
Appleton's record is crap other than his Oxford gig.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:22:21
It will be Mike Flynn


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:25:00
It will be Mike Flynn

He has Conference experience which will come in handy.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:25:09
Appleton's record is crap other than his Oxford gig.

Did ok at Lincoln didnt he?


Title: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:30:16
Quote
It will be Mike Flynn
Do you think so?

we have contracted technical players and as far as I remember he's a lot more direct.

I just want to win, so I don't really care what style we play..


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:30:29
Did ok at Lincoln didnt he?

He had three seasons there. His second season he led them to a fifth place finish and League One Play-Off Final where they lost to Blackpool. His first and third seasons he had them finishing in the bottom half.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:42:14
The problem with Appleton is his Oxford connections would fans take to him.

The problem with Appleton is that he's been a manager for 12 years and had one decent season and 9 or 10 shit ones.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:43:32
Do you think so?

we have contracted technical players and as far as I remember he's a lot more direct.

I just want to win, so I don't really care what style we play..

I think he was direct at Newport for a reason (pitch and finances), but things didnt do go well at Walsall, not sure why. He was big mates with Wellens as well right.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:49:47
He seemed to be doing a decent job in the first half of the season, he had a big clear out and brought in lots of players last summer and were just outside the play offs then it went downhill after they beat us.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:57:51
He seemed to be doing a decent job in the first half of the season, he had a big clear out and brought in lots of players last summer and were just outside the play offs then it went downhill after they beat us.

Walsall's season collapsed when Danny Johnson was recalled by his parent club Mansfield. Clough barely used him afterwards but he'd scuppered The Stags.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Benzel on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:04:48
If I'm not mistaken Walsall have a similar set up to us with a moron as the DoF


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:06:08
The next manager has to be experienced, we have done the inexperienced and it hasn't worked for Clem,

We've done experienced too. Colin Todd, Andy King, Roy Evans, Paul Sturrock, Maurice Malpas, Danny Wilson, Mark Cooper, Phil Brown and John Sheridan.

That's the sort of experienced manager we can attract.

And the sort of names people are throwing around look to continue that record of ball aching mediocrity. Michael Appleton for fuck sake. Just kill me now.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:08:52
We've done experienced too. Colin Todd, Andy King, Roy Evans, Paul Sturrock, Maurice Malpas, Danny Wilson, Mark Cooper, Phil Brown and John Sheridan.

That's the sort of experienced manager we can attract.

And the sort of names people are throwing around look to continue that record of ball aching mediocrity. Michael Appleton for fuck sake. Just kill me now.

That's where Morris' appointment was at least a little bit "Oh, that's interesting!"


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:17:10
We've done experienced too. Colin Todd, Andy King, Roy Evans, Paul Sturrock, Maurice Malpas, Danny Wilson, Mark Cooper, Phil Brown and John Sheridan.

That's the sort of experienced manager we can attract.

And the sort of names people are throwing around look to continue that record of ball aching mediocrity. Michael Appleton for fuck sake. Just kill me now.
So, we’ve also done academy type coaches - Williams, Garner, Lindsey, Morris. Where do we go next?

If money is tight we’re not going to attract an ex-name type like Macari, Hoddle or, God forbid, McMahon.

That only leaves the names that have been bandied about this evening - Clarke, Artell, Cowley, Appleton etc.

And you don’t seem keen on them!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:34:44
I was a bit shocked hearing this.

IMO the Manager and the style never changed...just the name. Academy football, needless passing for the sake of it and then hit on the break or give away the ball as its L2 and concede.

BUT..id thought he would of been given a crack...

Not bothered that hes gone....all a bot Meh.

I dont think the ST take up has been very good at all.

Thanks Jody but the Stats and Win % is more than enough to part company.

The virus was ingested when Scott 'obvious choice' Lindsey was appointed after we dithered for fucking weeks and weeks.

Then alot of piss poor players brought in trying to play keep ball..

It was fucking awful but we had a foot in the door....then Lindsey fucked off and then the infamous January transfer window (which was boarded up)....

ST sales are awful hence the Early Bird being extended. Maybe a new name might offer 'hope' and a flurry of sales?

But as we all know...its the hope that kills you.

I will be there and hopefully NOT watching academy football.

It gets on my tits...somethings never change. :(









Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Outsider83 on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:47:59
He absolutely did not walk.



Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: molepar on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:56:06
He absolutely did not walk.


You got contacts on the inside?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:56:17
He absolutely did not walk.



Lots of arguments between supposedly ITKers on this one.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Outsider83 on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:13:21
Lots of arguments between supposedly ITKers on this one.

He asked questions which didn’t go down well & wasn’t taken to by a lot of the players / staff.

Ed Brand will return to Chelsea by all accounts. Sounds like he was on a sort of loan sabbatical from them. Chelsea paying a portion of his wages.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:16:20
He asked questions which didn’t go down well & wasn’t taken to by a lot of the players / staff.

What like? He was publicly frustrated with not knowing next seasons budget or starting talks with players for next season. Was rumoured to not be keen on the fitness set up as well ran by Adam Hart.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:26:54
imo morris can fuck off.
there was absolutely nothing on show to suggest that next season would be a success.
subs, formations, in game management, set pieces, selections, interviews, fan engagement. nothing

we move on.

he turned a failing season into an unbelievably failing season.

if he couldn't hack the set up, training etc, budgets, finance etc... well welcome to the lower leagues mate! get back to the cushy cobham set up and carry on getting the kids to play nice triangles.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Outsider83 on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:31:25
What like? He was publicly frustrated with not knowing next seasons budget or starting talks with players for next season. Was rumoured to not be keen on the fitness set up as well ran by Adam Hart.

It was mentioned the players fitness levels were piss poor.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:51:06
If indeed Austin is already signed up for next season (as has been suggested on here) that would certainly put some fuel on the fire of the Austin vs Morris battle, that has now resulted in a knock out.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 05:11:26
He asked questions which didn’t go down well & wasn’t taken to by a lot of the players / staff.

Ed Brand will return to Chelsea by all accounts. Sounds like he was on a sort of loan sabbatical from them. Chelsea paying a portion of his wages.
Which players didn’t get on with him and what questions did he ask?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:28:10
Which players didn’t get on with him and what questions did he ask?

Questions like: “Why is everything about this club so pathetically half arsed and amateur?”


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:35:44
Which players didn’t get on with him and what questions did he ask?

Austin Hutton Adeloye to name a few


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:37:09
I have heard a few stories as know a few relatives. Doesn’t matter what has or has not happened.

The bloke has gone. Time to move on.

Players are unaware of finances.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 07:15:42
It was mentioned the players fitness levels were piss poor.
He made a load of excuses early on and before every game.   He needed to adapt to league 2 and didn't so results were shite.

He never seemed to take the blame for anything, no money, squad crap, players unfit, shit refs, injuries, Austin too old, rest of them too young etc.    Just be pragmatic and get the best out of the shit hand you've been given.   Do well and move on.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 07:19:14
From the wording of the club statement - ‘the hunt for his replacement is well underway’ - sounds as if the cull has been in the offing for a while. Hope this means the new man is in situ soon.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 07:43:59
From the wording of the club statement - ‘the hunt for his replacement is well underway’ - sounds as if the cull has been in the offing for a while. Hope this means the new man is in situ soon.

Don’t get your hopes up, this was at the bottom of the statement announcing Garner had joined Charlton.

‘ We also want to reassure fans that the search for a new Head Coach is well underway and we hope to make an appointment soon. ’


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 07:46:08
Don’t get your hopes up, this was at the bottom of the statement announcing Garner had joined Charlton.

‘ We also want to reassure fans that the search for a new Head Coach is well underway and we hope to make an appointment soon. ’

Indeed. I’ve long since given up taking anything from the Morfuni regime at face value.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 07:59:09


Now is the time for the Trust to grow some balls and start to ask some awkward questions about what is going on behind the scenes, instead of sitting at the AB every month seemingly happy to be there, they need to be asking questions and speaking to their members, if this was under Power there would be statements released and pitch forks at the club reception but Clem seems to get a free pass because he 'saved' us, and they are working together, this does not wash, lets have some openness from everyone.



Agree completely. The trust claim to be the 'critical friend' but the membership just arent seeing it, no doubt we will be told the points are being raised in private  :zzz:




This is how it should be done -



https://lufctrust.com/article/trust-statement-on-the-2023-24-season-ticket-price-increase



Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:02:36
From the wording of the club statement - ‘the hunt for his replacement is well underway’ - sounds as if the cull has been in the offing for a while. Hope this means the new man is in situ soon.

Have you learned absolutely nothing from our previous managerial appointments?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:04:51


Agree completely. The trust claim to be the 'critical friend' but the membership just arent seeing it, no doubt we will be told the points are being raised in private  :zzz:




This is how it should be done -



https://lufctrust.com/article/trust-statement-on-the-2023-24-season-ticket-price-increase



At this point I genuinely think we need a new fan body. The Trust are absolutely compromised and the OSC seems to be a quasi-official wing of the club. The latter would be fine if it wasn't for the former.

The Trust should be reconstituted as a body that only deals with their part ownership of the County Ground. "The County Ground Trust" for example!

That then leaves a lane open for a group to actually start holding this shit blizzard of a club to account.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:18:20
At this point I genuinely think we need a new fan body. The Trust are absolutely compromised and the OSC seems to be a quasi-official wing of the club. The latter would be fine if it wasn't for the former.

The Trust should be reconstituted as a body that only deals with their part ownership of the County Ground. "The County Ground Trust" for example!

That then leaves a lane open for a group to actually start holding this shit blizzard of a club to account.


I feel the same- but hesitant to suggest as i cant put my money where my mouth is as i dont have enough time to give to it!

If anyone is thinking of setting up, this is a good place to start

https://thefsa.org.uk/fan-resources/resource-training/supporters-trusts-training-resource/setting-up-a-new-supporters-trust/


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:49:03
Fuck me, I leave you lot alone for a long weekend and come back to this!

FWIW I wasn't in the Morris out camp, but I equally was far from his biggest fan, however one looks at it his record here was shite and he was lucky in getting a lot of rope from much of the fan base which I suspect would not have been afforded to someone who wasn't a 'name', frankly, setting aside his basic football managing abilities, I want a manager who seems to want to be here and has the benefit of the club as his sole objective (or is at least bright enough to appear that way), Morris always seemed to give the impression that we should be grateful that he was here and that he was doing us some sort of massive favour. No doubt we will have a friendly interview in the next few days where its all blamed on the club, the fans, the players etc and Morris paints himself as some sort of foiled and frustrated Guardiola.

His lack of basic self awareness really being brought home by moaning that his players were too inexperienced and that's why we were shite (not noticing that exactly the same charge could be lodged at him), likewise all the bleating about facilities (either in interviews or briefings to ITK's) just points to someone who seemed to not do any even basic due diligence before he took the job, so again just rank naivety or a life where things have always been done for you.

We seem to one again have rumours sploshing about that we don't have a pot to piss in, whilst simultaneously rumours that we have paid Morris and Brand, off, so one of those can't be true, its getting like a choose your own adventure book with people choosing the rumour they want to believe as fact to suit their ingrained impression of the club. FWIW if they have got Morris and Brand off the books without paying out a fortune it looks like pretty astute business, much as with getting compo for Lindsey, yet they took a kicking for that as well!

Turning to the Sandro situation (The Meghan Markle of Swindon Town FC) and the whole 'why is he still here narrative', I don't imagine that anyone knows the specific terms of his contract, I assume its not like a managers one which seem to be very easy to break so my suspicion is that they can't easily get rid until the season is over, at which stage I assume that like most employees he will have KPI's or similar in which if he hasn't met can be used to lever him out.

As for yet another fan group (possibly the Swindon Town Popular Peoples Front), people are free to set up what they want, Hanners gets a lot of (understandable) stick but he got the profile and access because he got off his arse and did something, that route is open for all who want to hold the club to account. 


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:50:54
Don’t get your hopes up, this was at the bottom of the statement announcing Garner had joined Charlton.

‘ We also want to reassure fans that the search for a new Head Coach is well underway and we hope to make an appointment soon. ’
Ah. I withdraw my optimistic outlook.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:21:01
At this point I genuinely think we need a new fan body. The Trust are absolutely compromised and the OSC seems to be a quasi-official wing of the club. The latter would be fine if it wasn't for the former.

The Trust should be reconstituted as a body that only deals with their part ownership of the County Ground. "The County Ground Trust" for example!

That then leaves a lane open for a group to actually start holding this shit blizzard of a club to account.

Agree, and think that its better if trust now just focus on ground and getting fans direct debits in etc and make sure its all going smooth with refurbishments etc.

Its an interesting topic as was watching Fools Rush In podcast last night, question was asked' if you can still Trust the Trust', the usual happy clapper on the panel became extremely defensive at this (bang In his rights to do so, this trust done an incredible job in 2021 summer) but I'm starting to agree that we can't.

Not sure a new supporters group/trust would get enough attention/repsect/backing but not opposed to it, and think it would be beneficial, to have a separate 'unofficial' group to ask necessary questions when needed


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:39:34
Agree, and think that its better if trust now just focus on ground and getting fans direct debits in etc and make sure its all going smooth with refurbishments etc.

Its an interesting topic as was watching Fools Rush In podcast last night, question was asked' if you can still Trust the Trust', the usual happy clapper on the panel became extremely defensive at this (bang In his rights to do so, this trust done an incredible job in 2021 summer) but I'm starting to agree that we can't.

Not sure a new supporters group/trust would get enough attention/repsect/backing but not opposed to it, and think it would be beneficial, to have a separate 'unofficial' group to ask necessary questions when needed

Not looking to stir shit but did they? Was it their job to get into bed with Clem?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:42:11
I think we were all desperate to get out of bed with Power.

Good knows what "Able" (Andy Curran?) would have done..


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:08:04
Not a happy clapper but I'm going to balance up some of the criticism made of Clem.

1.  Power may have been a football person but left to his own devices would, imo, have bankrupted the club and seen points deductions/ relegations and so on.

2.  The transparency claim of Clem's may have been naive and left him a hostage to fortune but he IS transparent compared to his predecessor.  

3.  Those who would hold Clem a hostage to fortune about areas where there has been no transparency - or a suspension of it - are right, understandably let down but also a tad fairytale imo. You don't put or loan the kind of dosh Clem has put into the club without wanting to be the boss of your own train set.  

4.  If you're digging holes (as has happened) don't give well wishers (and rivals) a running commentary on your thinking.  What do people expect "I'm planning getting rid of Sandro but these are the contract terms and costs and I think the best way to do it is leave it till season end because xyz"?  I find Zav's involvement very discomfiting but can anyone point out any specific harm he has caused?

5.  Whatever the ins and outs of Morris' departure, we are surely in a far better position than having kept him and then had to sack him 5-15 games in.  Either STFC (or Morris) has been decisive.  Who cares which now.

6.  Write offs may have been required but the eradication of club creditors (local trade) looks to me to have been a good priority as we look to improve our image with local businesses.

7.  Clem has honoured his part of owning the ground - and the co-ownership is a kind of golden share for the Trust.  Actually well done Trust (and of course Eady).

[  Trust are too cosy?  I happen to agree but you're not going to get a Fan's Shadow Board demanding AND getting answers to why is Sandro still here mid term etc?  Critical yes but also friend - that is the way.  Can we not vote the personnel out with the Trust?  We hardly need some charismatic, visionary supporter who can run the club better but unfortunately doesn't have much money or football experience.  Another "organisation" would be like a Tower of Babel and wouldn't get any better answers.  I am happy with the combo of OSC and the Trust.  I think LSPOD performs a useful, critical role outside the official set up.  As do we  :D  ]

We may have to fill gaps with rumour but I endorse nearly all of the criticisms made.  The footballing errors have translated into financial cost - most recently manifested by poor season ticket sales, let alone another season of struggle to exit the EFLs basement.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:24:18
I was not a fan of Morris but thought we would let him sign the players he wanted in the Summer and make an attempt next season to get out of this shit league. I was willing to give him time to sort the shambles out.

The bad stuff....he liked 3 at the back, it didnt work with us and result only improved when we went back to a traditional 4, yet he still persisted in playing 3, sometimes from the start, sometimes midway through games.

The players often didnt seem to know what formation they were playing or what positions they should be playing in.

He tried to shoehorn players into positions that did not suit them at all, there are several examples of that, its like he never watched games or training and just randomly stuck a pin in to pick players.

Apparently he fell out with almost every player, only ever criticising them and never praising them.

His substitutions seem to be so difficult to understand, if you were a conspiracy theorist then you could make a valid point that Morris almost deliberatly threw awaygames from winning positions with silly substitutions, Saturday being a prime example, looking fully in control until the first sub.

He was also one of the most boring and dull communicators we have had, who only every blames everyone else, the only other being comparable was Mark Chuckles Cooper.

Still at least we have time to get the right man in now without any rush, make sure we do due dilligence on any applicant and get the right man for the job.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:11:20
With both Morris and Sandra going, it looks as if the ‘project’ will be dumped as well - good riddance.

If this is the case, I presume the new man is destined to be of a more pragmatic nature. Not sure Artell fits that particular bill.

Makes me think Flynn could be next for the poisoned chalice.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Lambo75 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:44:52
Seems to me that the club are fed up of the negativity and are looking for a positive news story in order to shift season tickets, which are absolutely needed to be sold to keep the club sustainable.

I've not renewed my 4, and I'm not going to yet ( I will do by end of May ) as we've all been here before and seen nothing to excite. This time though it does feel different, it started with the program notes from Rob Angus which in hindsight gave a hint that they would wield the axe.

I hate all this talk of washed up managers, currently jobless. Most are jobless because they aren't good enough.
I don't have enough knowledge to think too far left of field, but as a young lad, the Glen Hoddle days were the most magical. It feels like Burnley took this approach with Vincent Kompany. I'd like to think there is enough out there that would also give us the success we crave from pro's that have done their coaching badges whilst playing and are ready made to cut their teeth at this level.

I kinda think Morris had the majority of this, but he was such a miserable tosser that no-one took to him, and the players started to revolt against him.

So who is recently retired? Or about to retire....James Milner perhaps? Not the most interesting, but renown for being super fit. Jack Wilshere, Fabian Delph, Jermain Defoe. Would take a heck of wage shift, but we didn't pay Morris & Brand peanuts.
Something along those lines would get me more excited than a cautious welcome to the likes of Artell, Appleton etc.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:47:24
Mark Delany’s name got a lot of traction in the summer - not seen him turn up anywhere else afaik


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:10:17
I know not many will agree with me but this is my thought on the new manager situation.

Not Appleton, doubt he would be accepted by Town fans from his previous connections.
Not Robinson, see above.
Not Cowleys, hoof (ask Huddersfield and Pompey fans) had 2 good seasons at Lincoln.
Not Flynn, hoof (ask Walsall fans) had 1 good season at Newport.
Not Clarke, mentally unstable but with the right DoF may work.
Artell would be my prefered choice of those linked so far as he has had nearly 5 seasons and played some good football but is also intelligent.

Piccareta is always linked and was guest of the club only a couple of weeks back, has been coaching in Italy with SPAL in Serie B in Italy.

For me we need "some" managerial experience and not just coaching or academy, we need someone who can mix formations but who is capable of looking at what we have got and playing them in their best positions rather than shoehorning them into their own favourite formation. Morris and Lindsey both very guilty of that (as was Garner sometimes).

Someone with more than just assistant jobs and not previously only employed as an academy coach.

We need someone who will engage with the fans and not only moan or hide away all the time.

Someone who understand what this division and the one above is all about, and, how to get out of it but without resorting to only a hoofball style but can mix it when needed and utilise set pieces far better and make us defend again.

Whoever we choose must have been successful in this league and maybe the league above for me, but will probably have failed previously in their last job despite previously being successful at the same club.

The bar is not set too high currently so lets see what the next few weeks bring.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:23:28
Mark Delany’s name got a lot of traction in the summer - not seen him turn up anywhere else afaik

Surely Duncan Ferguson is going to be available soon?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:33:57
Surely Duncan Ferguson is going to be available soon?

Duncan Ferguson
DF
DoF

Blatant.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:35:35
The role is Technical Director, so hopefully that rules him out.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:48:12
Not Clarke, mentally unstable but with the right DoF may work.
Artell would be my prefered choice of those linked so far as he has had nearly 5 seasons and played some good football but is also intelligent.

That's a sweeping statement about a Clarke based on one incident. Clarke's not been sent off as a manager ever before or since. Artell has been fined and sent off for his touchline behaviour multiple times. Just because it wasn't in games you were watching doesn't make him the more stable of the two.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:50:23
The role is Technical Director, so hopefully that rules him out.

Tony Daley it is.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:04:37
That's a sweeping statement about a Clarke based on one incident. Clarke's not been sent off as a manager ever before or since. Artell has been fined and sent off for his touchline behaviour multiple times. Just because it wasn't in games you were watching doesn't make him the more stable of the two.

I imagine he has something in common with many Town fans last season in wanting to land one on Conroy, albeit FWIW after all the fuss of this time last year PV seem to be on a par with Oxford in some fans vitriol so would they accept a PV cast off!

I know the below mis from Wiki, but it would at least make a nice change.

Clarke is flexible with his formations and is open to different styles of playing rather than sticking to a rigid philosophy, believing that "adaptability is key". He does though have a preference for playing with two strikers. He is known for his intense training sessions and for producing extremely detailed reports on opposition teams. At Bristol Rovers his team played an attacking, passing style and scored an average of close to two goals per game. A motivational manager, he sees a happy dressing room as an essential part of a winning team and has been described as having a bubbly and infectious personality, though has been quoted as saying "I'm not a cuddling manager... soft players don't win you promotions". His personality traits make him an energetic, passionate and frank manager. He prefers to maintain a big squad of players and to regularly rotate his starting line-ups.

    "I didn't want to take a job where success was staying in the division... I like promotions. I like that feeling of working towards a goal. — Clarke talking about his motivations, January 2020.

Albeit there are the Keith Lairdesque rumours that would possibly concern many?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:20:16
Surely Duncan Ferguson is going to be available soon?

Be interesting to see how he and FGR do next season (if he’s still there) whether he’s just a garbage manager or whether he was on a hiding to nothing when he took over.
His record makes Morris look like Mourinho.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:23:40


I like Artell but he needed a long time to put his stamp on the Crewe squad; time he'd be unlikely to get at any League Two club now. The more I've thought about it the more I think Rochdale would be the perfect next job for him.

Clarke has a good record at League Two level, having gained promotion at two of the three clubs he's managed there.

But, and I know you don't agree, I think Danny Cowley is the outstanding candidate. I'd envisage a really enjoyable and successful 2023-24 season for Swindon Town with him in charge.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:23:49
His record makes Morris look like Mourinho.

Has he really only won 1 in 17 as per wiki. Ouch!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:28:11
I'd personally go for Luke Garrard who has done a fantastic job at Boreham Wood.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:28:30
Has he really only won 1 in 17 as per wiki. Ouch!

He certainly has. I should know as I backed Wednesday to beat them that day when he won his only match in charge. Not my best bet.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:30:44
But, and I know you don't agree, I think Danny Cowley is the outstanding candidate. I'd envisage a really enjoyable and successful 2023-24 season for Swindon Town with him in charge.
I will support whoever comes in until they give me reason to not support them, I had no clamour to remove Lindsey or Morris but accept that both had their time up with us in the end.

No doubt the Cowleys could be successful, certainly in this league but I personally don't enjoy their style of football. Yes his win rate is impressive at all clubs (baring Huddersfield and Pompey where it was ok at best).

I watched Pompey play a couple of times under him with a mate of mine who goes to almost all Pompey games and he hated the style, but Pompey fans demand attractive yet gritty football rather than just gritty which was what he served up.

If he is appointed I will give him time to impress me.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:32:01
I'd personally go for Luke Garrard who has done a fantastic job at Boreham Wood.
Under contract and in the play offs, he would demand a fair sized fee, something I doubt Clem would go for, certainly currently. But saying that he only has a win ratio of 36% there.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:32:36

I watched Pompey play a couple of times under him with a mate of mine who goes to almost all Pompey games and he hated the style, but Pompey fans demand attractive yet gritty football rather than just gritty which was what he served up.


We're too big for League 2. Get out of this league at all costs for me. I'm fed up of the 'we have to play attractive football,' at the detriment of our success.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:36:30
Tony Daley it is.

Tommy Docherty is dead right?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:45:34
We're too big for League 2. Get out of this league at all costs for me. I'm fed up of the 'we have to play attractive football,' at the detriment of our success.
As I stated above I want a mix, a manager who will play a tactic to beat the opposition not to just stick to 1 style of play where you become too easy to read.

We need a flexible manager who can adapt a formation and not just stick to long ball or tippy tappy football. Dare I say it more like Steve Evans has done at Stevenage this season.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:48:08
The last three winners of L2 have been us under Wellens, FGR under Edwards and Leyton Orient under Wellens again. You can football your way out of this league. The problem is not our style in and of itself, it's that we're not any good at it.

Edit: we were four ago now, I missed Cheltenham. Can't remember anything about their style as it was a season we didn't have to pay any attention to this league!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:50:19
As I stated above I want a mix, a manager who will play a tactic to beat the opposition not to just stick to 1 style of play where you become too easy to read.

We need a flexible manager who can adapt a formation and not just stick to long ball or tippy tappy football. Dare I say it more like Steve Evans has done at Stevenage this season.

On that basis Clarke does seem to be one who fits the bill? Albeit I assume someone has mentioned Tisdale or Holloway (and of course Easton) as its only fitting.....

Probably out of our budget and he had a shitty spell at QPR but that may hev been them but I see Critchley is still on the rock n roll.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:56:14
I’ll support the club regardless of who’s in charge.

It’s our job.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Ginginho on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 14:02:40
I'd be very happy with Cowley or Clarke to be honest


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 14:04:22
Under contract and in the play offs, he would demand a fair sized fee, something I doubt Clem would go for, certainly currently. But saying that he only has a win ratio of 36% there.

To be fair they're the smallest club in that league and look like finishing top 6 above  clubs with much bigger support, and league history like Oldham, Scunthorpe, York, Southend, Dagenham, Torquay, and Yeovil.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 14:07:03
The last three winners of L2 have been us under Wellens, FGR under Edwards and Leyton Orient under Wellens again. You can football your way out of this league. The problem is not our style in and of itself, it's that we're not any good at it.

Edit: we were four ago now, I missed Cheltenham. Can't remember anything about their style as it was a season we didn't have to pay any attention to this league!

Absolutely this. No need to do a complete 180 and appoint a lower league long ball merchant,  despite that matching the intelligence level of a number of our fan base. We just need yo appoint and recruit better people at playing football.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 14:36:59
The role is Technical Director, so hopefully that rules him out.

The role is whatever Clem wants to to be, or maybe whoever is advising him wants it to be, chances are it will be DoF, not TD though as assume we will move away from purely data led recruitment to a mixture like you suspect a lot of clubs do.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 14:48:10
The role is whatever Clem wants to to be, or maybe whoever is advising him wants it to be, chances are it will be DoF, not TD though as assume we will move away from purely data led recruitment to a mixture like you suspect a lot of clubs do.

He was joking about my post. Nobody know what the structure will be :)


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: adje on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:10:21
I’ll support the club regardless of who’s in charge.

It’s our job.
Absolutely right. But it doesn't stop people having preferences. And I'd prefer not to have Clarke or Flynn personally


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:16:45
Absolutely right. But it doesn't stop people having preferences. And I'd prefer not to have Clarke or Flynn personally

Same. I'd still prefer the club builds with long term ambition and models and not go short term league 2, Steve Evans style. Passing attractive styles do work with the right people.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:29:36
Absolutely right. But it doesn't stop people having preferences. And I'd prefer not to have Clarke or Flynn personally
Absolutely, I agree I also dont want Cowley either.

I hope that Clem has already contacted a few people about the DoF and manager position, not being in the country could make any appointment difficult.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:34:12
Absolutely, I agree I also dont want Cowley either.

I hope that Clem has already contacted a few people about the DoF and manager position, not being in the country could make any appointment difficult.

The Vice Chairman Matchday Guest can cover in his absence perhaps?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:41:27
The Vice Chairman Matchday Guest can cover in his absence perhaps?

The LSPod pointed out how right and quickly Clem moved when he took over, appointing Chorley, then Garner etc, and how slow its been since. My worry is that Chorley was involved with the club under Power right, as a scout i believe. So Clem correctly judged him worthy of the DoF role and Chorley then got Garner and the players they both knew/identified in. So the luck of that first season was based on knowing someone in association with the club already. The challenge now is how much Clem/Robs contacts have grown to know the right people to get in now. Whoever advised last summer (Kiely?) can't be trusted now surely.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:43:10
The LSPod pointed out how right and quickly Clem moved when he took over, appointing Chorley, then Garner etc, and how slow its been since. My worry is that Chorley was involved with the club under Power right, as a scout i believe. So Clem correctly judged him worthy of the DoF role and Chorley then got Garner and the players they both knew/identified in. So the luck of that first season was based on knowing someone in association with the club already. The challenge now is how much Clem/Robs contacts have grown to know the right people to get in now. Whoever advised last summer (Kiely?) can't be trusted now surely.

That's it. Who is advising them now...? Because they need advice!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:53:40
I could accept Clarke, Luke Garrard, or Graham Alexander who have all got records with more success than failure. Artell and Cowley the same. Darrell maybe less so as he's managed at one club and had one decent season there.

Flynn no thank you. And why do pundits float the likes of Appleton or Robinson who (Danny Wilson like) have one decent season and somehow manage to spin that into a decades long career, hanging around the lower leagues like a bad smell disappointing club after club.

And yes I'm aware that Wilson made the L1 play offs two seasons running here, but he did that in the Fitton era when the club had the resources to win that league and he managed to get us out of it only in the wrong direction.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:05:38
Darrell maybe less so as he's managed at one club and had one decent season there.


Clarke? He's taken both Rovers and PV out of this division?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:14:58
Clarke? He's taken both Rovers and PV out of this division?

Artell that should read. For some reason that's autocorrect to Darrell on my Kindle?!

Clarke I'd snap up. Left every club he's managed in a better place than when he arrived. The inability of the board at Salisbury to get their accounts submitted on time was obviously not his fault in any way. He did his job there and got them back into the Conference. The Board then fucked it and killed the club.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:40:06
The underlying question with Artell is "why hasn't a club snapped him up if he's any good"


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:42:22
The underlying question with Artell is "why hasn't a club snapped him up if he's any good"

It's a fair question. There is also a possibility that having met the clubs he doesn't want the position they have. I don't think as a manager it's as simple as take the first job you can get. Bad clubs will ruin a managers career very quickly.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:44:29
Artell isn’t what I’d call a general manager. He’s in the academy mould, working his magic with young players. Not many lower league clubs go down that path - except us, of course.

No more of that - please.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:50:45
Artell isn’t what I’d call a general manager. He’s in the academy mould, working his magic with young players. Not many lower league clubs go down that path - except us, of course.

No more of that - please.
Indeed. I think most people (well me certainly) would like to see a more pragmatic approach to getting out of L2 (without turning into the Crazy Gang or John Beck's Cambridge c1992)  Artell would not be the man to deliver that.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:57:13
Indeed. I think most people (well me certainly) would like to see a more pragmatic approach to getting out of L2 (without turning into the Crazy Gang or John Beck's Cambridge c1992)  Artell would not be the man to deliver that.

It would be nice to see a manager that could create an element of excitement at the CG. Not since Wellens (clearly Covid has played a big role there) has there been a Swindon team that you are confident is going to go out onto the CG turf and consistently put teams to the sword, thereby helping to create a tremendous atmosphere and a bond between fans and players. I guess the last few games and the play off game last season there were elements of it, but there is just a distinct lack of excitement at the CG. The way we play hasn't helped us. i'm not saying we go completely Stevenage, but try and play a style that sees us on the front foot at home. 


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:05:51
It's a fair question. There is also a possibility that having met the clubs he doesn't want the position they have. I don't think as a manager it's as simple as take the first job you can get. Bad clubs will ruin a managers career very quickly.

I agree with what you've written. But I'd go further. I was a big Paolo Di Canio fan during his time with us; we were very much a minority but there were some of us. Over the last nearly ten years, since Black Sunday when Short backed the players instead of his manager and set us on the path to League One, I've so often had people say "If PDC was any good why has nobody employed him since?" But all that means is that football club owners weren't willing to take a chance on him. Owners are very reluctant to go against the herd which is why the usual suspects keep getting jobs way beyond their use by dates. It reflects on them not on Paolo.

That goes for any manager who doesn't get the opportunity to prove his worth. Artell is in danger of not being given another opportunity but that isn't necessarily his fault. It's how others perceive him.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:07:36
I agree with what you've written. But I'd go further. I was a big Paolo Di Canio fan during his time with us; we were very much a minority but there were some of us. Over the last nearly ten years, since Black Sunday when Short backed the players instead of his manager and set us on the path to League One, I've so often had people say "If PDC was any good why has nobody employed him since?" But all that means is that football club owners weren't willing to take a chance on him. Owners are very reluctant to go against the herd which is why the usual suspects keep getting jobs way beyond their use by dates. It reflects on them not on Paolo.

That goes for any manager who doesn't get the opportunity to prove his worth. Artell is in danger of not being given another opportunity but that isn't necessarily his fault. It's how others perceive him.

I do worry that Clem has backed the players over Morris... Fine if you are Lionel Messi, but Ronan Darcy ain't.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:13:49
I'd hope a number of the players have the same message delivered about them in the coming weeks as well - toodle pip.


Title: Re: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:40:13
It would be nice to see a manager that could create an element of excitement at the CG.

After the most recent experience a manager who at least pretended to give a shit and want to be here would be a massive step forward.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:43:59
See Wellens is fav for the Reading gig


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 18:58:22
The Teds are always good for a giggle😀

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/220587-jody-morris-sacked/


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 19:38:43
Not sure Morris will be rushing back to Cobham anytime soon  :D Lampard surely will be gone after tonight?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 20:05:45
Still no betting odds showing🤔


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 08:19:18
Not sure Morris will be rushing back to Cobham anytime soon  :D Lampard surely will be gone after tonight?

Is he still buds with Lampard, always seemed strange that fat Frank never took him to Everton with him?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 08:22:34
Is he still buds with Lampard, always seemed strange that fat Frank never took him to Everton with him?

He told Frank he was going it alone and wanted to be a #1 so didn't go to Everton despite the offer.

Then got very close to the Swansea and WBA jobs without getting them.

Took him two years to end up with us, which makes it all the more odd that he was seemingly so miserable to be here.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 08:42:40
The Teds are always good for a giggle😀

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/220587-jody-morris-sacked/
Sound like a right old bunch of obnoxious wankers.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 08:53:26
Sound like a right old bunch of obnoxious wankers.

They're always digging at rovers for not selling their ground out. Pot kettle.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:05:26
Sound like a right old bunch of obnoxious wankers.

city fans in a nut shell.

Imagine spunking £500k a week and still being that irrelevant.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:32:08
city fans in a nut shell.

Imagine spunking £500k a week and still being that irrelevant.
Yep, this. Vainglorious and egotistical twats.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:37:04
Still... I wish we had their owner.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: adje on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:45:08
The Teds are always good for a giggle😀

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/220587-jody-morris-sacked/
We're not irrelevant enough for them to be obsessed with us


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:46:43
I don't know how many consecutive seasons they have been in the Championship now, but do you think their fans would be bored with being in the same division season after season. They never seem to be anywhere close to getting to the promotion spots, but also never seem to be in a relegation battle either. 


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:50:39
Applies to most leagues. The majority of PL clubs only ambition is to stay there. Ditto Championship.

When you think about it, clubs/owners/fans spunking money year after year just to stand still makes no sense at all.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:51:59
Applies to most leagues. The majority of PL clubs only ambition is to stay there. Ditto Championship.

When you think about it, clubs/owners/fans spunking money year after year just to stand still makes no sense at all.

Absolutely. And with the cost of living crisis taking hold, you'd think that some of these clubs are really going to start to struggle as owners pull the plug/get bored etc. Some of the debts of the Championship clubs are obscene.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:53:56
I don't know how many consecutive seasons they have been in the Championship now, but do you think their fans would be bored with being in the same division season after season. They never seem to be anywhere close to getting to the promotion spots, but also never seem to be in a relegation battle either.  

Apart from one screamer from Dean Windass many moons ago, although they've been in League One since then.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:54:11
I noticed the average wage Bristol City pay their players is over £20k per week.

I think Oxford is around £6k.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:58:09
I noticed the average wage Bristol City pay their players is over £20k per week.

I think Oxford is around £6k.

Its a rich man's games these days, not sure many clubs can survive at Champ/PL level without someone with deep pockets propping them up, I suspect that 50%+ of clubs now have no realistic chance of surviving at that level for any period of time.

Its really got to the stage that there are two different tiers, PL/Champ and then L1,2 & National League.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 10:01:25
Luton Town appear to be the outlier.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 10:02:38
Shitty are having a worse season than us, in their respective league  ;D


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 10:11:28
Luton Town appear to be the outlier.

But even they lost £6.3m in 21-22 which must have come from somewhere? Its sums it up that even the outliers are losing that sort of cash.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 13:39:26
But even they lost £6.3m in 21-22 which must have come from somewhere? Its sums it up that even the outliers are losing that sort of cash.

I think that Championship level losses are about £5/6m as a baseline. Luton had operating losses at that level but managed to turn that into a small profit through player trading.

Brentford in their promotion season lost over £50m but made more than £40m on transfers. They're loaded up with board debentures as well but most relate to the ground development. So their model needs the ability to cover big losses if player trades don't pay off.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 17:12:26
Interesting to hear a Supporters' Club rep on Sam Parkin's BBC podcast saying that Morris never wanted to engage with them. No Monday Night panel or anything. Just so strange. Something catastrophic clearly happened very early on.


Title: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 17:16:34
Didn't engage with the FITC lot either I think.

OK it's not directly relevant to first team footy but I think previous managers at least stuck their head in. Might be wrong


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 17:20:33
Didn't engage with the FITC lot either I think.

OK it's not directly relevant to first team footy but I think previous managers at least stuck their head in. Might be wrong

FITC?

Why as a new manager would you pass up the chance to sell your vision to the fans and get them onside? Very odd to me.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 17:22:41
football in the community. Not directly relevant to the FC but as it's right next door.

I suppose he might have talked to them and the person who told me that be away at that time


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:24:26
Interesting to hear a Supporters' Club rep on Sam Parkin's BBC podcast saying that Morris never wanted to engage with them. No Monday Night panel or anything. Just so strange. Something catastrophic clearly happened very early on.
By all accounts he is just a horrible prick


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:27:14
It's hardly surprising as Leopards don't change their spots and you only have to look back to some of his antics 20 years ago.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:32:06
By all accounts he is just a horrible prick

Liked golf too much too.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:33:22
Yeah really weird bloke, not because of the golf but just odd


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:36:03


I think Oxford is around £6k.

12k a week for Cameron Brannagan and £10k a week for Josh Murphy


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:50:10
By all accounts he is just a horrible prick

Baffling that we hired him if so. I know he had his problems back in the day but seemed quite an engaging guy in interviews and so on before he came here. Clearly well liked by Chelsea youth like Mount et al.

It seems that the narrative is that Clem was swayed by Sandro on hiring him. Was Sandro a Chelsea fanboy? He has that air about him... and not in a good way!



Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 20:09:10
Didn't engage with the FITC lot either I think.

OK it's not directly relevant to first team footy but I think previous managers at least stuck their head in. Might be wrong

His quotes when Dworzak signed his pro contract suggested he didn't engage with anything outside the first team.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 20:09:52
Cold as Ice


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 20:36:48
I’ve heard that far from Sandro wanting Morris it was totally Clem’s decision.
Apparently Morris wanted too much, so a deal for Artell had been agreed before Morris agreed to sign for less and Clem had his head turned by the big name.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 20:41:31
I’ll preface this by saying that I’m definitely not against Morris and Sandro going, change was needed.

I just hope part of it’s not a case of Clem and Rob seeing that they’ve invested a certain amount into this playing squad and can’t waste it so instead backed them over the manager in a hope they’ll come good as (and I hope I’m eating humble pie for this) I’m not sure the majority of them are good enough to be worth backing.

There’s no doubt some good individuals in there but as a unit they just don’t work well enough to get promoted. If it was to stay mostly as it is then our only likely route to goal that isn’t just praying for a flash of quality is crossing into Austin and only Hutton, FBT and Cain (occasionally) are capable of good delivery like that. I don’t think any new manager is going to change that so I hope they’re allowed to rip this squad up if they see fit and want to go another direction.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 20:49:10
I’ll preface this by saying that I’m definitely not against Morris and Sandro going, change was needed.

I just hope part of it’s not a case of Clem and Rob seeing that they’ve invested a certain amount into this playing squad and can’t waste it so instead backed them over the manager in a hope they’ll come good as (and I hope I’m eating humble pie for this) I’m not sure the majority of them are good enough to be worth backing.

There’s no doubt some good individuals in there but as a unit they just don’t work well enough to get promoted. If it was to stay mostly as it is then our only likely route to goal that isn’t just praying for a flash of quality is crossing into Austin and only Hutton, FBT and Cain (occasionally) are capable of good delivery like that. I don’t think any new manager is going to change that so I hope they’re allowed to rip this squad up if they see fit and want to go another direction.

This is how I feel. Not a fan of player power.
I wanted Morris to go through this team like a dose of salts. Didn’t bother me he was seemingly an arsehole.
What if they don’t like the next manager…?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 20:55:08
I’ll preface this by saying that I’m definitely not against Morris and Sandro going, change was needed.

I just hope part of it’s not a case of Clem and Rob seeing that they’ve invested a certain amount into this playing squad and can’t waste it so instead backed them over the manager in a hope they’ll come good as (and I hope I’m eating humble pie for this) I’m not sure the majority of them are good enough to be worth backing.

There’s no doubt some good individuals in there but as a unit they just don’t work well enough to get promoted. If it was to stay mostly as it is then our only likely route to goal that isn’t just praying for a flash of quality is crossing into Austin and only Hutton, FBT and Cain (occasionally) are capable of good delivery like that. I don’t think any new manager is going to change that so I hope they’re allowed to rip this squad up if they see fit and want to go another direction.

I worry more that it’s possibly giving in to the fans feelings, especially with the reports of low season ticket sales


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 20:58:20
I worry more that it’s possibly giving in to the fans feelings, especially with the reports of low season ticket sales

Also this. Sacking Sandro would have done the job. Never known a manager to be sacked without any crowd unrest…


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 21:06:41
I'm pretty sure that if you swapped the figures in the win and losses columns of JMs record then the players would have been told to shut up and get on with their jobs.

Mind you it we were winning most weeks there would probably be less dressing room unrest.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Outsider83 on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 21:15:36
The last three winners of L2 have been us under Wellens, FGR under Edwards and Leyton Orient under Wellens again. You can football your way out of this league. The problem is not our style in and of itself, it's that we're not any good at it.

Edit: we were four ago now, I missed Cheltenham. Can't remember anything about their style as it was a season we didn't have to pay any attention to this league!

Off to Reading is the rumour.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 23:48:00

Didn’t bother me he was seemingly an arsehole.

What if they don’t like the next manager…?


PdC once said '...Players don't have to love me. They have to follow me...'

He also said '...if a player has 100, 90, 80, 60, 40, 20 percent of dignity - and everyone has dignity and pride - you have to come out and say ''f*** the manager, I will go out and show him and say ‘you’re wrong’...''

'This is what I want. I’m a different manager.'

He certainly was a different manager and whilst he did have a scattergun approach, his application got the most out of players. I don't think we'll ever see a manager like that again


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 05:39:27
This is how I feel. Not a fan of player power.
I wanted Morris to go through this team like a dose of salts. Didn’t bother me he was seemingly an arsehole.
What if they don’t like the next manager…?
Did they not like him because he was shit, a cunt, or the worse combination of all, a shitty cunt.

At the end of the day if there was a break in JMs contract at the end of season, or 6 months, or based on performance, then it was a no brainer to take it   There was no guarantee that performances would improve in time and may cost even more to rid of him in November.  

If the results are really shit, the players are worth fuck all and we wont attract the ones we want.   If the manager is a also a cunt then that makes recruitment even harder.    

The way he spoke about some of the youngsters in public was so counter productive, you have to encourage first year pros not throw them to the wolves - just as in any other job.   And it really surprised me, given his background at academies, that he took that approach.   That may well have forced some of the senior players, all 2 of them, to step in.

We don't really know what went on, but it's been a shambles and if it was my money being flushed down the swanny, I would want to see alot more from it.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 06:32:22
PdC once said '...Players don't have to love me. They have to follow me...'

He also said '...if a player has 100, 90, 80, 60, 40, 20 percent of dignity - and everyone has dignity and pride - you have to come out and say ''f*** the manager, I will go out and show him and say ‘you’re wrong’...''

'This is what I want. I’m a different manager.'

He certainly was a different manager and whilst he did have a scattergun approach, his application got the most out of players. I don't think we'll ever see a manager like that again
It is great to see him flourishing and doing so well still in management isnt it


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 07:55:37
It is great to see him flourishing and doing so well still in management isnt it

I’ve always assumed the decision to completely disappear from the game was his choice.
Plenty of teams would have taken a punt on him after Sunderland I reckon.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 07:56:15
Did they not like him because he was shit, a cunt, or the worse combination of all, a shitty cunt.

It was rumoured that Lindsey was really soft on them, and Morris came in and tried to lay the law down and they didn’t like it


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 07:58:38
I’ve always assumed the decision to completely disappear from the game was his choice.
Plenty of teams would have taken a punt on him after Sunderland I reckon.
I'm sure there were reports at the time that post-Sunderland, no one would touch him with a bargepole and didn't even get responses to applications for League One and League Two clubs, remember Notts County being one.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 08:22:24
I suspect part of the problem with Morris was the variety of criminal convictions when he was younger, plus the circumstances of his quickfire departure from Leeds, made it difficult for anyone to respect him as a figure of authority. The exact opposite of why players get on board with the likes of Eddie Howe.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 08:38:06
I'm sure there were reports at the time that post-Sunderland, no one would touch him with a bargepole and didn't even get responses to applications for League One and League Two clubs, remember Notts County being one.

I think it was his political views that has put clubs off - there was a big row about it when he joined Sunderland


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 08:42:32
Morris never seemed to buy in to STFC.  I first sensed this after a couple of weeks or so when (understandably tbf) he seemed to tire of answering questions about when Ed Brand would be joining him as assistant.  Did STFC fuck about way too much and let its new guy down from the get go?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:06:12
I suspect part of the problem with Morris was the variety of criminal convictions when he was younger, plus the circumstances of his quickfire departure from Leeds, made it difficult for anyone to respect him as a figure of authority. The exact opposite of why players get on board with the likes of Eddie Howe.

Because you were accused of rape 20 years ago and then it never went to court I'm going to switch off at corners. Ridiculous!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ROKERITE on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:18:51
I'm sure there were reports at the time that post-Sunderland, no one would touch him with a bargepole and didn't even get responses to applications for League One and League Two clubs, remember Notts County being one.
I'm afraid you're right. Which in my opinion was a great pity. He only managed us for thirteen matches but I enjoyed having him at my club and I have never been sorrier to see a manager leave.
I kept hoping he and his loyal backroom staff would get another opportunity. But sadly it wasn't to be. I think there was some sort of old boys network between the owners of clubs advising them not to consider appointing him. Then again I regard owners as an unimaginative bunch who rarely go for a maverick.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:38:36
Interesting


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:44:08
Interesting

I saw that and my one thought is that the last point is demonstrably untrue. In his first three games he made multiple mentions of the distance covered data and how it was the highest of any games that season.

And if that is bollocks you then have to question the rest.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:46:16
During the whole "Morris does fuck all, doesn't work on shape or tactics" rumours that were flying around, someone I spoke to told me their source was Mildenhall also.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:49:32
During the whole "Morris does fuck all, doesn't work on shape or tactics" rumours that were flying around, someone I spoke to told me their source was Mildenhall also.

Mildenhall was the one bloke I think Morris singled out for unqualified praise in an interview. Curiouser and curiouser.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:52:51
Mildenhall was the one bloke I think Morris singled out for unqualified praise in an interview. Curiouser and curiouser.

Not really, Morris may have rated Mildy, that's not to say that Mildy didn't think that Morris was a lazy uninterested twat.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:56:26
Not really, Morris may have rated Mildy, that's not to say that Mildy didn't think that Morris was a lazy uninterested twat.

Totally. Just pointing out that the one person he was nice about seems to have been telling tales out of school.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:12:48
I’ve heard there were several people behind the scenes that wanted Morris out and were actively spreading shit about him, wasn’t told who but implications were that one was a high profile player, whose mrs might have been tweeting stuff ;)


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:18:37
Don't you just love Chinese whispers!  :D


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:21:18
I’ve heard there were several people behind the scenes that wanted Morris out and were actively spreading shit about him, wasn’t told who but implications were that one was a high profile player, whose mrs might have been tweeting stuff ;)
I don't think they were spreading shit it sounds like he was just an absolute bellend by the sounds of it.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:26:28
Interesting

The main thing I'm taking out of that is the bit about Charlie Austin. We saw at Rochdale if you can get the ball to him in the box, he'll come alive. The new manager simply HAS to be able to utilise our sharpest player properly next season.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:32:39
The main thing I'm taking out of that is the bit about Charlie Austin. We saw at Rochdale if you can get the ball to him in the box, he'll come alive. The new manager simply HAS to be able to utilise our sharpest player properly next season.

If he has re-signed I am surprised why it hasn't been announced, either via the club or via the usual leaks from Team Austin.

WRT to the wider issue, indeed, albeit I would also add that Austin really needs to try and get as fit as he can over the summer and in preseason, yes he is an older player but he is only 33, Vardy is still playing regularly in the PL at 36.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:36:38
If he has re-signed I am surprised why it hasn't been announced, either via the club or via the usual leaks from Team Austin.

WRT to the wider issue, indeed, albeit I would also add that Austin really needs to try and get as fit as he can over the summer and in preseason, yes he is an older player but he is only 33, Vardy is still playing regularly in the PL at 36.

I can only imagine the club are 'saving' the announcement for whatever reason. I've mentioned before using Charlie to market our Season Tickets seems like a bit of a no brainer.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 12:07:24
I'm surprised as it was the supporters club dinner last night there is nothing that has come out from there, you would expect certain players to drop hints about the manager now he has left, I know they have to be professional and cant say 'I hated him' but you would think there may be whispers


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 12:10:49
Because you were accused of rape 20 years ago and then it never went to court I'm going to switch off at corners. Ridiculous!

I didn’t say that. I said they may not have respected him. And that would be a problem.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 12:17:32
I didn’t say that. I said they may not have respected him. And that would be a problem.

I suspect that any lack of respect for Morris more likely boiled down to him rarely being there (if rumours are to be believed), with the best will in the world even from the outside he seemed to be at best phoning it in and/or his refusal to take any responsibility for the developing shit show (which was clear for all to see).


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:23:26
I didn’t say that. I said they may not have respected him. And that would be a problem.

I think if our squad are sat there thinking 'this bloke who played Champions League football and has gone on to have a highly successful youth coaching career for a decade was a nightmare gobshite in his early 20s so I don't respect him' then we have a problem.

Regardless of any of the speculation, even if he was a worse cunt than Ghengis Khan, this squad need to look at themselves. They've been shite. They were shite under Lindsey too. Binning off Morris isn't going to change that.

Andy Cole and Teddy Sheringham hated each others guts and never said a word to each other for the entire time they were teammates but they successfully fired Man Utd to a treble because they are professionals.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:32:40
Ginginho and myself were at the awards last night and had Mildy and Jake Cain on our table, both were great lads.  No gossip to give that would add to this discussion but it was clear that Morris was not popular and the club is better off to move on.

However, I don't think it does any good to start disecting Morris's past before he joined the club and also posting stuff indicating that key existing people at the club are leaking stuff - we are in a big enough mess at the moment without adding to it, let's leave that to the mongs on Social Media.

The title says Morris has gone, he has, let's move on and start talking about what's next.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:38:55
I can only imagine the club are 'saving' the announcement for whatever reason. I've mentioned before using Charlie to market our Season Tickets seems like a bit of a no brainer.

Saving announcements seems to be something the club constantly do, which just infuriates and alienates the fan base. But if some marketing genius got taught at uni that is the way to do it, then that is probably the way we will persist with it.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:43:39
Ginginho and myself were at the awards last night and had Mildy and Jake Cain on our table, both were great lads.  No gossip to give that would add to this discussion but it was clear that Morris was not popular and the club is better off to move on.

However, I don't think it does any good to start disecting Morris's past before he joined the club and also posting stuff indicating that key existing people at the club are leaking stuff - we are in a big enough mess at the moment without adding to it, let's leave that to the mongs on Social Media.

The title says Morris has gone, he has, let's move on and start talking about what's next.

I agree with this.

Manager goes without fan grief or protest....only Sheridactyl got away with that.

He gone, it was of interest for a few days but now we should move on.



Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:47:19
Saving announcements seems to be something the club constantly do, which just infuriates and alienates some of the fan base. But if some marketing genius got taught at uni that is the way to do it, then that is probably the way we will persist with it.

FIFY


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 19:11:06
I understand that he spent more time playing golf and didn’t really fit into the role.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Outsider83 on Monday, May 8, 2023, 21:24:24
Haha Morris will be sick tonight the little rat.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 8, 2023, 21:53:10
Haha Morris will be sick tonight the little rat.

How so?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 07:34:15
Haha Morris will be sick tonight the little rat.

Doubt it, he didnt give a shit when was here, hardly likely to when  he is no longer!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 08:01:58
I'm surprised as it was the supporters club dinner last night there is nothing that has come out from there, you would expect certain players to drop hints about the manager now he has left, I know they have to be professional and cant say 'I hated him' but you would think there may be whispers

I overheard a conversation yesterday that a Gladwin superfan said Gladwin didn't want to go and it was Sandro that sanctioned the move. Also at the supporters dinnerthe players who have expressed a desire to leave was down to Sandro. Don't know how true it is and what bearing that had on Morris, but putting 2+2 together(my thoughts nobody else's) perhaps Morris wasn't convinced either about the model and orchestrated his sacking with a bad attitude and lack of motivation. She also said Sandro told the managers who was in the matcday squad and the starting 11 was an option from 13. Again unsure how true but no smoke without fire.
Anyway, as you put he has gone quietly content with Flynn and thought his half time announcement was as it should be, but he wouldn't say anying else would he?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 08:23:22
If these rumours of Sandro's dictatorial ways are true, WTF were Clem and Rob Angus thinking...?!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 08:45:46
Gladwin was offered another £6k a month so I’m pretty sure he was happy with the move at his age!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 08:55:40
I overheard a conversation yesterday that a Gladwin superfan said Gladwin didn't want to go and it was Sandro that sanctioned the move. Also at the supporters dinnerthe players who have expressed a desire to leave was down to Sandro. Don't know how true it is and what bearing that had on Morris, but putting 2+2 together(my thoughts nobody else's) perhaps Morris wasn't convinced either about the model and orchestrated his sacking with a bad attitude and lack of motivation. She also said Sandro told the managers who was in the matcday squad and the starting 11 was an option from 13. Again unsure how true but no smoke without fire.
Anyway, as you put he has gone quietly content with Flynn and thought his half time announcement was as it should be, but he wouldn't say anything else would he?
To be fair, he didn't have to say any of the things he said, he didn't even have to go on the pitch at half time. Taking it at face value, he understands the importance of having a connection between the Club and the fans which goes way beyond spreadsheets and data...and this is clearly important to Clem and Rob as well and presumably was a key element in the appointment, along side experience, coaching badges etc of course. So like yourself, I'm pretty happy with the appointment.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Outsider83 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 09:10:18
Doubt it, he didnt give a shit when was here, hardly likely to when  he is no longer!

Ego mate ego.

If you don’t think he was watching on to see if ‘his’ same bunch of players would put it in then you’re very mistaken. Of course he must be looking and thinking thanks a fucking bunch.

If rumours are to be believed and the club had a break in clause if he didn’t achieve 30 points by May 1st (was told this yesterday) then he would be looking at these players who caused him to lose his job. He wouldn’t be looking at his own failures. That’s what he’s like!


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 09:18:01
I overheard a conversation yesterday that a Gladwin superfan said Gladwin didn't want to go and it was Sandro that sanctioned the move.

Looking at him playing yesterday and the midfield he was required to fit into here I would suggest selling him for a fee was a pretty astute bit on business on Sandro's part.

Also at the supporters dinner the players who have expressed a desire to leave was down to Sandro.

Suggests something pretty crap in the internal structure that the DoF is having that much engagement with (and effect upon) the players.

Don't know how true it is and what bearing that had on Morris, but putting 2+2 together(my thoughts nobody else's) perhaps Morris wasn't convinced either about the model and orchestrated his sacking with a bad attitude and lack of motivation.

It would be a bloody brave man to orchestrate ones own sacking by being deliberately shit, especially in a business which is very incestuous and entirely results driven. One would assume that if he felt he had been sold a pup a claim will be forthcoming to try and get some compo out of the club but who knows.

She also said Sandro told the managers who was in the matcday squad and the starting 11 was an option from 13. Again unsure how true but no smoke without fire.


Who is 'she'?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 09:40:48
Its clear that Flynn understands that even with previous roles as 'number 1' (whatever you want to call it), he stills needs to prove himself to the Club and Fans.
This is where Lindsey went wrong early doors.
Very large opinion of his experience...fine....but it was back room stuff.
It was his first gig in the hot seat and it never came across like that at all.
The only opposition Post Match interview i listened to was yesterday.
Fucking cringe worthy comments on the Crawley Fans being the best in the League......
Hes deluded.
Crawley stayed up because Hartlepool imploded, just as much as him getting a few results.


On Flynn, im glad that we have a Manager with experience in this League.
Id rather not have a big team of thugs excelling in the dark arts ala Newport but im also sick of watching passing for the sake of it. A happy medium would be fine by me but lets just get up and out of this league FFS.
Early appointment bodes well, hes got plenty of time to sort the squad and organise (please) a decent  pre Season....abroad!? Maybe a wish too far.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:36:09
A Crawley fan on twitter told me on points per game under him they'd be in the play offs. They're in a worse position now than when he took over!

No doubt its more bollocks of Lindseys he has said in interviews that their fans and journos can't be arsed to fact check, along with it being our best start in 16 years and being in the play offs when he left.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:42:44
A Crawley fan on twitter told me on points per game under him they'd be in the play offs. They're in a worse position now than when he took over!

No doubt its more bollocks of Lindseys he has said in interviews that their fans and journos can't be arsed to fact check, along with it being our best start in 16 years and being in the play offs when he left.

The obvious retort would be under Gav Gunning our PPG would see us over a season get 107 points and score 153 goals.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:44:22
…that probably would see us as Champions, for what it’s worth


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:54:58
Crawley record pre Lindsey...

P24 W5 D7 L12 F26 A39 GD-13 PTS22

After...

P22 W6 D6 L10 F22 A32 GD-10 PTS24

Consistent.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Pericardinho on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:56:09
A Crawley fan on twitter told me on points per game under him they'd be in the play offs. They're in a worse position now than when he took over!

No doubt its more bollocks of Lindseys he has said in interviews that their fans and journos can't be arsed to fact check, along with it being our best start in 16 years and being in the play offs when he left.

Lindsays PPG since taking over is 1.09? which means over the course of a whole season they'd finish on 50 points. 20th place.

He's not really 'saved them' as such has he? they're just fortunate there were 2 shitter sides.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:59:43
Lindsays PPG since taking over is 1.09? which means over the course of a whole season they'd finish on 50 points. 20th place.

He's not really 'saved them' as such has he? they're just fortunate there were 2 shitter sides.

Exactly this. He's deluded. Suspect the Crawley fanbase/Lindsey love-in may come to a shuddering halt pretty quickly next season.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 11:05:31
I genuinely don’t think Scott Lindsey is worth this much thought.
He was here. He didn’t do well. He left.

He’s kept Crawley up - let him & them have their moment and let’s move on.
What they do next year is really inconsequential


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 11:24:27
Looking at him playing yesterday and the midfield he was required to fit into here I would suggest selling him for a fee was a pretty astute bit on business on Sandro's part.

Suggests something pretty crap in the internal structure that the DoF is having that much engagement with (and effect upon) the players.

It would be a bloody brave man to orchestrate ones own sacking by being deliberately shit, especially in a business which is very incestuous and entirely results driven. One would assume that if he felt he had been sold a pup a claim will be forthcoming to try and get some compo out of the club but who knows.
 

Who is 'she'?

From bottom up:
No idea who she is but attends a few functions and often talks about events in the lounge. Cannot comment on truth or not.

Trouble with football, plenty get sacked and contracts paid up so unless we know the finer details of his contract who knows what the termination pre requisites were. If it was he will be paid and he wasn't happy why walk when you'll be pushed with the money. We all know they don't stay unemployed for long.

I can't confirm any of this but yes you're right if something was going on it hasn't been handled very well, and who decision it was to allow DoF so much authority.

Just read on this thread he was on an additional 6k a month so parhaps didn't push back as much as anticipated then for the move.

I don't know what has happened but let's hope next season we are at least more competitive and pushing for playoffs asa minimum.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 11:25:57
I genuinely don’t think Scott Lindsey is worth this much thought.
He was here. He didn’t do well. He left.

He’s kept Crawley up - let him & them have their moment and let’s move on.
What they do next year is really inconsequential
Yeah, was appointed by someone who should never have been in that position in the first place... Two huge mistakes. He won't be at Crawley in 12 months time... or possibly a lot less...


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 11:29:34
If these rumours of Sandro's dictatorial ways are true, WTF were Clem and Rob Angus thinking...?!

Good question, and raises a few concerns. We don't know if all this is true of course, but if it is, who has Clems ear???


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 13:05:14
Ego mate ego.

If you don’t think he was watching on to see if ‘his’ same bunch of players would put it in then you’re very mistaken. Of course he must be looking and thinking thanks a fucking bunch.

If rumours are to be believed and the club had a break in clause if he didn’t achieve 30 points by May 1st (was told this yesterday) then he would be looking at these players who caused him to lose his job. He wouldn’t be looking at his own failures. That’s what he’s like!
This break clause thing is doing the rounds and keeps changing between 6 months and 30 points. He was sacked


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 13:12:15
This break clause thing is doing the rounds and keeps changing between 6 months and 30 points. He was sacked

So have we paid up his and Brand's contract? If so it is likely well north of £250k incinerated.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 13:43:20
So have we paid up his and Brand's contract? If so it is likely well north of £250k incinerated.

But we are skint.

Its almost like all the rumours tend to contradict each other.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 13:46:41
But we are skint.

Its almost like all the rumours tend to contradict each other.
Rumour?

We are losing 500K a year and need to bring it back to breakeven

The question is how long Clem can fund us in the near future.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 13:46:47
But we are skint.

Its almost like all the rumours tend to contradict each other.

Exactly. Clem and Rob go from pressuring old ladies (in my mind's eye) on the phone not to ask for season ticket refunds to acting like L2 Daniel Levys in the space of 18 months? I ain't buying it.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:28:45
Rumour?

We are losing 500K a year and need to bring it back to breakeven

The question is how long Clem can fund us in the near future.
They are rumours though, Horlock is right.  In fact he is spot on in that post. Mooney has said that we can't afford to pay the make up figure of 250k . So we are absolutely skint and offerring coaches a quarter of a million pound contracts. Added to that the rumours that there was a 6 month clause and now a 30 point clause. Surely you can see how these all contradict eachother


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:29:23
Exactly. Clem and Rob go from pressuring old ladies (in my mind's eye) on the phone not to ask for season ticket refunds to acting like L2 Daniel Levys in the space of 18 months? I ain't buying it.
By that logic why do you think they would pay that money in the first place then?


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:35:10
They are rumours though, Horlock is right.  In fact he is spot on in that post. Mooney has said that we can't afford to pay the make up figure of 250k . So we are absolutely skint and offerring coaches a quarter of a million pound contracts. Added to that the rumours that there was a 6 month clause and now a 30 point clause. Surely you can see how these all contradict eachother

I'm not saying we can't afford it. And the number is a total guess but I can't have thought Morris was on less than £100k a year and he had 2 years to run, and Brand must have been on at least £50k with roughly the same to run.

I'm just saying making a seemingly snap decision to burn a load of money paying out a contract is at odds with the ruthless penny pinching in every other department, unless of course they didn't have to pay out.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:43:32
Exactly. Clem and Rob go from pressuring old ladies (in my mind's eye) on the phone not to ask for season ticket refunds to acting like L2 Daniel Levys in the space of 18 months? I ain't buying it.

It's normally 18 minutes on here!

Not remotely saying that those who hear stuff in the background are making it up, but what often seems to get lost on social media is that when people leak stuff to fans its normally to make them (or those they support in the management structure) look good and/or potentially offset other rumours, and without this context nothing is black and white and probably as at best a secondary sources should not be depended upon as 'FACT'  ;)

So for instance when the whole will he won't he with Austin was kicking off in January, there were obviously two sources of rumours emerging on SM, those from Team Austin that made him look brilliant and the spurned fan desperate to do whatever he had to do get back home and those from those within the club who didn't want him back. I would suspect the truth actually lay somewhere in the grey bit in the middle, its why secondary sources are always treated with caution by historians.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:44:14
This is the problem with people just making stuff up. It soon becomes taken as gospel even though there isn’t a shred of evidence to back anything up.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:48:43
Perhaps I am being too oblique but that is really my point!

On the one hand we have insane levels of penny pinching. On the other we have a presumably massively expensive and frankly unexpected managerial sacking.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:53:24
Not that i think on the pitch we have penny pinched but it could be they have learned there lesson and realised we could of had a year of even worse shit to come with him and that it was best to pay him off


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 15:16:11
Not that i think on the pitch we have penny pinched but it could be they have learned there lesson and realised we could of had a year of even worse shit to come with him and that it was best to pay him off

My opinion **based on nothing** is something snapped behind the scenes in excess of just the results.

You don't sack one manager due to results and pick another that has just been sacked on results.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 15:17:00
I think both things can actually be true at the same time.  We do NOT seem to have penny pinched in terms of the money spent on players, total squad salary (not individual) and management team, who we then exited.

We have also, very openly, shown a complete lack of investment in the Operational side (the day to day expenses and running of the club) and the more strategic stuff (no change in training facilities, no real investment in Academy infrastructure).

We have, based on personal experience, massively improved the Corporate side, but then seemingly fucked up every day to day ticketing related situation (again, based on the constant need to back track and re-launch).

We are spending between 6m and 6.5m - based on the accounts.  That's in line with other top half clubs.  We just seem a bit all over the place in terms of how we are being effective/efficient with that spending.

The Morris and Di Michelle  departures suggest that someone, somewhere, has at least realised we are fucking some of this up.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 15:18:48
In fact, we reek of a rowing team with precisely the right amount of Oars, but have placed them in random positions around the boat, meaning we are rowing in all sorts of directions right now.


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 15:21:15
In fact, we reek of a rowing team with precisely the right amount of Oars, but have placed them in random positions around the boat, meaning we are rowing in all sorts of directions right now.

Haha. Indeed. It is a scattergun approach for sure. Without wishing to appropriate what I think is a John Major slogan, it is time we went 'back to basics.'


Title: Re: Morris gone
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 15:22:21
Haha. Indeed. It is a scattergun approach for sure. Without wishing to appropriate what I think is a John Major slogan, it is time we went 'back to basics.'


With or without Edwina Currie😆