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Title: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, March 20, 2023, 11:59:22
In the interest of offering solutions rather than problems, in what ways do we think Clem could improve things on and off the pitch so that we rid ourselves of the stench of decline?

I'd start with:

Actually step back. It isn't healthy or wise having him being constantly presented as our pint-pulling lord and saviour when things are so badly run across the board.

Move Rob Angus to CFO. Good finance background and I like having him around as I think his moral compass points to true north. Important with some of the shady figures in the boardroom mix.

Appoint an experienced football club CEO. A Mark Devlin type.

Appoint a permanent and experienced club secretary.

Bin Sandro. Hand Morris the keys. One needless salary saved for the above appointments.

Put together an exciting pre-season schedule and announce it early. We need a good vibes injection ASAP.









Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:01:41
I think most fans would agree with pretty much all of that.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:05:19
I wouldn't argue with any of those points made either. I've been 'critical' of Austin in previous games but it's obvious that the guy will get goals in league 2 and is very popular. Clem could do worse than getting him tied down to a year contract extension and use him as a rallying cry/marketing attempt to get fans on board for next season.

'Charlie's in, are you'? Type stuff.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:12:29
I do wonder if Clem is actually the man with the money, or if he is just the public face and that’s why we see so much of him.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:19:42
Probably not the best thread "header".  ::)


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:32:56
In the interest of offering solutions rather than problems, in what ways do we think Clem could improve things on and off the pitch so that we rid ourselves of the stench of decline?

I'd start with:

Actually step back. It isn't healthy or wise having him being constantly presented as our pint-pulling lord and saviour when things are so badly run across the board.

Move Rob Angus to CFO. Good finance background and I like having him around as I think his moral compass points to true north. Important with some of the shady figures in the boardroom mix.

Appoint an experienced football club CEO. A Mark Devlin type.

Appoint a permanent and experienced club secretary.

Bin Sandro. Hand Morris the keys. One needless salary saved for the above appointments.

Put together an exciting pre-season schedule and announce it early. We need a good vibes injection ASAP.









All of this, please and thank you.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:34:53
I do wonder if Clem is actually the man with the money, or if he is just the public face and that’s why we see so much of him.



This is an interesting point to be honest


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:37:57
I do wonder if Clem is actually the man with the money, or if he is just the public face and that’s why we see so much of him.
According to Clem and his supporters and from what he has told the trust etc he is the sole owner.

I personally, like yourself, remain unconvinced.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:40:38
Start offering contracts to players we want to keep now.
As it has already been suggested - those who sign up for next season nice and early can be used for the rallying cry / PR material / season ticket push.

Those who outright have no interest in a new contract here can basically do one and sit out the season (kinda like JoJo last season)

Get the recruitment done ASAP in the summer. Ideally you want the large majority of your team sorted before the pre season games kick in.

Possibly come out with a fully agreed detailed joint statement between all parties which clarify exactly who does what and who makes what footballing decisions particularly with regards to players. All the blame for that is being dumped on Sandro but truthfully do we even know exactly how our identifying players and signing them process actually works? Do we still have a scouting team?

Get some more experience behind the scenes running the football club.
Full time positions in key areas, not work experience kids. We need to pay proper wages to improve back room stability. We don’t want to have to find a first team data analyst ever year.

Better explanation of decisions (where possible) for example I still see no reason why tearing up MacDonalds contract was a positive move for the club.

Come up with a contingency plan for our next manager (not publicly obviously) because if Morris doesn’t work out - I’d rather we try the slightly more archaic tried and tested proven lower league manager route because I’m not convinced top level academy coaches skill sets are fully transferable to L2. I expect the Chelsea U12 have better staff and facilities than we do.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Riddick on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:48:22
I do wonder if Clem is actually the man with the money, or if he is just the public face and that’s why we see so much of him.

If, and its a big if, Clem is not the man with the money, then there is no way he would be picked as the public face. I don't mean that as an indictment of the man, but he is not good at public speaking or interviews and actively avoids it when he can and makes Rob Angus or Sandro cover it. He would not be the chosen face for others.

So i can't get behind this line of thinking at all.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:55:24
Start offering contracts to players we want to keep now.
As it has already been suggested - those who sign up for next season nice and early can be used for the rallying cry / PR material / season ticket push.

The slightly odd thing is that it was reported that we had done this in December: https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23174273.swindon-town-start-contract-talks-certain-players-scott-lindsey/

It's four months later and no new contracts have been announced (Wakeling signing an extended deal is the only extension we've done since last summer as far as I remember). I know the manager changed, but that isn't meant to be a problem with our model.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:55:49
If, and its a big if, Clem is not the man with the money, then there is no way he would be picked as the public face. I don't mean that as an indictment of the man, but he is not good at public speaking or interviews and actively avoids it when he can and makes Rob Angus or Sandro cover it. He would not be the chosen face for others.

So i can't get behind this line of thinking at all.
That’s kind of irrelevant, he’d be the public face by default as a result of the legal proceedings that got rid of Power.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Monday, March 20, 2023, 12:59:06
I think Clem is the sole owner and the guy with the money. I also think there are probably others he listens to but ultimutely it comes down to him. We all heard the noises over the Austin deal and how only person wanted him, if he was just the face that deal doesn't happen


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:10:20
Why does Clem need to step back and Rob moved roles, what have they done wrong, do you know what they do an a day to day basis ?

We maybe could do with an experienced football person involved as Technical director or director of football, probably instead of Sandro, but he has only been here 1 year, and Clem employed him to that role for a reason.

It potentially needs Clem to change tune and not sign players with an eye on future price tag, but sign players that can play together, and yes add some younger players that could be improved and sold on in future that's fine but not make that the first priority.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:10:47
Not sure where this Clem doubting is coming from  ???


Title: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:18:19
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I do wonder if Clem is actually the man with the money, or if he is just the public face and that’s why we see so much of him.
and if he is, then the question becomes about a lack of money!

he's come in, stopped us going under and converted a lot of external debt

but he's not minted AFAIK. I have no desire to see him put more money in than he should and risk his own status.

does he think he can make the club sustainable and successful alone, or is he ultimately going to need outside help?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:21:29
Quote from: 4D
Not sure where this Clem doubting is coming from  ???

personal opinion - there's s always been a bit of a question as to the people in the background that are of dubious previous nature or a bit unknown as to how they are involved.

Just over time Swindon hasn't really given us much warm and fuzzy stuff, suspicion is the default setting.

It's always going to bubble to the surface even the team aren't performing, and sink when it is


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:24:40
I do wonder if Whelan's potential revelation will be along the lines of a minority stake being sold for bit of an investment boost, which is quite common in the bottom two tiers now. The latest memorandum changes to the parent company focus heavily on share transferring and some shares were recently created too, so there is a bit of noise despite it previously being alluded to as standard business practices etc. Wonder whether we may see something in the news in the coming weeks, especially as the CG purchase is completed this Friday, as anything beforehand may have complicated the sale.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:40:07
Why does Clem need to step back and Rob moved roles, what have they done wrong, do you know what they do an a day to day basis ?


I don't get this either, not sure what either have done that could not be addressed with some internal tweaking rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water, the general marketing and PR needs tidying up rather than the cost of paying another senior executive. Commercially the club seems better run than it has done for years. The main problem is with the football side, which assuming its being run as its suggested Clem and RA have at best a peripheral involvement with, why employ a DoF and bark yourself. 


Title: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 20, 2023, 14:00:15
commercially in terms of getting companies as partners, etc, great

commercially as in fan (customer) facing, not so good. examples
  - ST on sale when the finance options aren't in place
 - not answering about mascot packages
 - not making it easy to change a wrong sized shirt over the phone
- 3 mile queues for half time food/drink

this type of thing.

I think it's fair to say behind the scenes is somewhat stretched. I'm sure everyone works damn hard and they only have a limited time


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Robinz on Monday, March 20, 2023, 15:16:57
At times i thought I was the only one having concerns with something not right behind the scenes.
That said I have a South African mate here in Auckland who's golf partner works for Axis NZ.
In conversation the golfing mate openly states Clem is the man. The real deal and mad on football.
A picture tells a thousand words and seeing his face in stands dejected at Vale Park last year told me that either he knew the major rebuild that was coming due to the loss of promotion or I am now out of money to get success on the pitch as well as getting further involved in buying the County Ground.
My thoughts for what they are worth.
Well healed yes rich no.
Does Clen want need to get investment in yes. Will he No.
Lack of trust. is a most likely  the issue here.
He is Clem Morfunni and he will do it his way
What other choice is there...??


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Berniman on Monday, March 20, 2023, 15:17:42
I don't think the moneyball model should be completely disgarded either, i believe it is the right model to follow just in a completley different way to the way we approached it.

Bring in the right people to implement it, gradually over the next 5 years.  Brighton/Brentford didn't try to do it all in the first season, which is pretty much what we tried to do.  Just throwing it out now after 8-10 months of trying is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  If you implement say 20% of your player recruitment with that model in mind in year 1 and slowly increase over time, whilst still having the flexibility to bend the model when required, i believe the end result will be much more successful.

Key to this though is having the right people to implement it, backed up with some "football people" as part of the operating model.

I get that everyone seems to have been burnt by this experience and would prefer to bin it off and go back to the ways of before, but let's face it, we didn't do a brilliant job at that either, otherwise we would be in the Championship now.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 20, 2023, 15:24:48
commercially in terms of getting companies as partners, etc, great

commercially as in fan (customer) facing, not so good. examples
  - ST on sale when the finance options aren't in place
 - not answering about mascot packages
 - not making it easy to change a wrong sized shirt over the phone
- 3 mile queues for half time food/drink

this type of thing.

I think it's fair to say behind the scenes is somewhat stretched. I'm sure everyone works damn hard and they only have a limited time

I don't disagree but again in the main they are things that the CEO/owner should have fuck all involvement in and thus getting shot of them will make no difference.

Looking at this they do seem stretched, https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/ (behind the scenes tab) and possibly having a bloke who is already very tied up in LIV Golf managing many of the things you note above is not helping!  ;) :D


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 20, 2023, 15:27:58
I don't think the moneyball model should be completely disgarded either, i believe it is the right model to follow just in a completley different way to the way we approached it.

Bring in the right people to implement it, gradually over the next 5 years.  Brighton/Brentford didn't try to do it all in the first season, which is pretty much what we tried to do.  Just throwing it out now after 8-10 months of trying is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  If you implement say 20% of your player recruitment with that model in mind in year 1 and slowly increase over time, whilst still having the flexibility to bend the model when required, i believe the end result will be much more successful.

Key to this though is having the right people to implement it, backed up with some "football people" as part of the operating model.

I get that everyone seems to have been burnt by this experience and would prefer to bin it off and go back to the ways of before, but let's face it, we didn't do a brilliant job at that either, otherwise we would be in the Championship now.
I'm keen we retain the model as well. Logic isn't flawed at all, just needs to be executed better.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Robinz on Monday, March 20, 2023, 15:38:30
You need the backbone of the team there already
Then introduce young prospects.
This scheme has been introduced to quickly
That said if Macdonald had worked out Frenchy not been injured Charlie Austin not required and Gladwin stayed and his wages needed to p⅝ay Austin's...many other possible reasons why this season just has not worked.
And the cheap and poor decision of appointing Lindsay.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, March 20, 2023, 17:56:18
Pre Season friendlies announced early and preferably abroad (inc Scotland and Ireland) so we can have our own version of international football.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 20, 2023, 18:13:29
Wales? Merthyr away  ;D


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, March 20, 2023, 18:59:25
Why does Clem need to step back and Rob moved roles, what have they done wrong, do you know what they do an a day to day basis ?

It is unusual for an owner to be so front and centre. Case in point: who knows the Spurs owner Joe Lewis? No one. Daniel Levy is the day to day face of the club. Clem being so involved makes him a lightning rod for criticism, and as a result disgruntled fans could end up agitating for 'regime change' rather than just pushing for a manager/CEO to be sacked. Basically, it is wise to have a bullet proof vest between an owner and the fans.

On Rob, I think most fans would agree that we are woefully underpowered in the 'football administration' department. The club is a shambles, as anyone with even a vaguely critical eye can see. We need someone with experience of running a football club in charge. Rob isn't that guy but he has some great skills and experience and he's absolutely worth retaining for the reasons I gave. CFO is a much better fit for him IMO.

As I said, this thread is for solutions not problems!



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 20, 2023, 19:14:02
I’m sorry, but the age old chant by disgruntled fans ‘Sack the board, sack the board, sack the board’ is as ridiculous now as it has always been. No owner worth his salt would take any notice. Fans never forced Power out - in fact,even though plenty recognised him as an out and out rogue from the start I don’t remember fans protesting against him. The only reason Power legged it was financial - his past was catching up with him.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 17:38:02
If Clem is reviewing our season, how can he see recruitment/squad construction as anything other than a s***show? Likely to be one our lowest ever league finishes, and that's in front of 9,000 per game. Maddening. Getting out of this league, or at least making a tilt at promotion, really shouldn't be hard for a club like ours. I can see season tickets dropping to 4,000.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 17:44:38
CEO runs the business, DoF should run the football side.

Angus has managed the debt and sorted the stadium. Can't see how we could've asked more for business management.

The problem has been appointing Sandro. Do we know who that was?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 17:47:11
Chris Kiely i suspect


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 17:47:51
#OpenAndTransparent


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 17:49:57
Chris Kiely i suspect

Is he a director?


Title: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 17:53:48
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#OpenAndTransparent
indeed.

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Is he a director?
who knows. it was printed in the program as such once. Can't recall if this was a "mistake".


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 17:54:06
Believe so. Also runs a sports data company by all accounts. That was the rumour anyway, im sure someone will correct me if im wrong


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 18:28:47
I could have sworn Kiely was asked about at an Advisory Board, but I've looked back at the minutes to last August and found nothing. Possibly I've merged asking about Adam Hart (which definitely has happened) in my head, possibly not helped by the supporters club rep being a Chris(tine) Kyle!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 18:31:20
I could have sworn Kiely was asked about at an Advisory Board, but I've looked back at the minutes to last August and found nothing. Possibly I've merged asking about Adam Hart (which definitely has happened) in my head, possibly not helped by the supporters club rep being a Chris(tine) Kyle!
It was asked at the fans forum back in Autumn. Was met with too long of a pause before Clem saying 'he provides us data' or something on those lines. Was after him being listed as a Non-Exec Director in the programme as well, so added to the sus levels.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 18:32:58
Do you know of any plan to introduce Chris Kiely JAM? I'm not for one second suggesting he's any sort of malign influence or peddling conspiracies, but it seems against the general open approach of the current owners to not introduce a new director?

Nothing to worry about , it was incorrectly suggested in the year book he was a director of the club, don't believe he is. Ex footballer who as i understand it he will be working with the academy (Academy Director). Believe Clem/Rob will address at fans forum next week.

JS of the Trust talking about in September. Seems an easy thing to clear up if it is indeed nothing.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 18:42:19
I wish they'd stop accidentally calling people directors on club literature


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 18:51:14
I wish they'd stop accidentally calling people directors on club literature

Yeah quite!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 19:07:26
I wish they'd stop accidentally calling people directors on club literature
I wish they’d stop treating us like idiots claiming that excuse. You don’t accidentally put someone’s name on the Programme as director. As for the fact a Trust board member then came on here believing that excuse and seemingly not questioning it is equally as astounding.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 25, 2023, 19:28:50
perhaps I should have made it more obvious and put "accidentally".


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 09:46:57
After last seasons Phoenix rising from the Ashes meets Houdini meets the great escape, as fans we surely cannot be faulted in thinking that this season was going to be something spesh.

Well fuck me sideways, hasn’t it been just that? Just not in the way we all thought it would be or certainly how it’s ending after the heartbreak of losing to pork vile.

Where do we go from here? Clearly next season is a must win promotion season. If winning 4/4 to get in the play offs was a tall order then 23/24 season is that x 46 of sorts.

As fans we all have opinions, wether they’re well thought out or just off the cuff bollocks on how we do it.

I think Clem, Aberdeen and the others pulling the strings and making decisions ought to join the magic circle because they will have to keep producing rabbits out of the hat week after week to achieve promotion. Starting after the final whistle against Crawley on 8th May.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Steak supper on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 09:54:25
 I am worried that next season wil l be a shit show. The thought of getting hammered by the likes of recks ham is not great


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 10:22:00
Pork vile?
Reck ham?
Fuck off?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 11:49:14
Pork vile?
Reck ham?
Fuck off?

Vegans
Piss Stains
Nam

 :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 17:09:33
Do any of our "Directors" actually invest anything in the Club? Or is that idea a bit quaint?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 17:18:49
Given none of them seemingly have a pot to piss in, I think not.

Interesting to see Nicky Hammond is on the OSC Monday Night. Looks like he's just taken a gig in Tel Aviv but we need someone in like that. Not sure many people go Celtic to Newcastle to Swindon these days sadly.

Has Chorley surfaced anywhere? Wonder if he'd ever come back...?



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 17:53:51
Just googled Chorley. Nowhere since leaving.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 20:22:14
Must have been a personal thing. If he gets it sorted we'd take him back with open arms.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 3, 2023, 03:31:12
Must have been a personal thing. If he gets it sorted we'd take him back with open arms.

Aye we would, but I doubt Town could afford him or would probably offend him by trying to get him in cheaper than when he was previously here.

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I understand trying to save money but one of the ''attractions'' used for talent acquisition usually involves putting together some form of competitive remuneration package and additional benefits. It seems like the Town board don't seem to like doing this very much and even more so when it comes to the ''smaller and small fry''. Unfortunately if they want good, decent, motivated workers - or at least for league two level, then they have to be prepared to offer attractive deals; and I mean this across all operations, not just playing and managerial personnel but right down to the nuts and bolts. For P/T club roles they should be affording above min wage. Yes by law they don't have to but paying someone like a turnstile op/box office/club shop worker etc, c100 notes for 5hrs work per one or two days a week is hardly breaking the bank and might even set a trend as a club for looking after and valuing it's employees. If you look at things like events/promo/temporary activations and suchlike, most low level workers earn around 15-20 notes ph and even get a contribution to travel and/or subs as well. The work isn't necessarily high responsibility or overly pressured but is paid at a ''premium'' purely because it's not full time or only seasonal. There's no reason why low level roles at football clubs, like those that only work on a matchday, can't be paid/valued in a similar way.

At current all I see most of the time is a form of guilt tripping PR that pulls on the heartstrings of the fan/employee-that-might-also-be-a-fan. It's simple but clever as they know these people will ALWAYS hold allegiance to the club but last time I checked, STFC isn't the Royal British Legion or any other honourable charity. That's all it is though, one way poking from the club of you showing your ''goodwill'' this and ''goodwill'' that but never actually rewarding people properly for offering up said ''goodwill''. A football club doesn't run on thin air, no matter how good our wind tunnel might be and whilst the fans, employees and seemingly 5,605 partnered sponsors have all done their bit help the club along, it seems it won't be long before STFC has to go goodwill hunting.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 3, 2023, 09:44:31
Just googled Chorley. Nowhere since leaving.
I heard hes been working part time for Spurs scouting team.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Tails on Monday, April 3, 2023, 10:50:46
Just googled Chorley. Nowhere since leaving.

He's at Southampton.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 3, 2023, 10:52:20
Not doubting that for a second but is that info publicly available anywhere? What gig is he doing there?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 3, 2023, 11:01:29
Not doubting that for a second but is that info publicly available anywhere? What gig is he doing there?

Way its going he will probably be manager in a week or so.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 3, 2023, 11:25:14
He's at Southampton.

Not that I don't believe you but if you google Ben Chorley Southampton nothing comes up. You would have thought it might have been reported by their local rag at least?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Tails on Monday, April 3, 2023, 13:15:59
I'm not sure exactly what he does there. I think it's something to do with recruitment / analysis / recruitment analysis (who knows with football related job titles these days) but don't hold me to that.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Monday, April 3, 2023, 15:35:45
He is definetly working for Southampton


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 7, 2023, 16:11:29
I think the big question is whether nor not Clem thinks there is anything to fix, or does he just think it's an execution thing?

I believe we are systematically fucked.

The all the eggs in one basket approach to player recruitment and sales is fucking stupid.  Our recruitment has left us with a large squad of nothingness (in terms of immediate results delivery on the pitch) and we've sold anything that moves.

The recruitment of a Betting Company Hospitality Suite Host into the lead role for Football Operations, is a master stroke if you wish to fuck a club over.  We've gone towards a Rough Diamond Polishing business model and put fuck all infrastructure in place to support it.  We train on a field (OK, it's a bit better than that, but nothing about our facilities screams to decent talent that we take this seriously).

The recruitment of a CEO who used to have a finance role in a Building Society is fair enough, so long as someone with experience in Football Ops comes in as COO or something.

The utter reliance on volunteers in positions all over the club provides a level of amateurism that is hard to understand.  It's like layering naivety on naivety.

The appointment of a nothing Coach and then an Academy Coach means we have had zero pragmatism running the team all season.  The only ones who made us look anywhere near good for about 90 combined minutes were two inexperienced coaches who had nothing to lose so had some fun with it.

Outside the purchase of the ground, ticket sales and Corporate Hospitality/commercial revenue, everything else is an absolute failure.

Clem needs to accept that first, then he can work on fixing it.  Good luck with both - the latter means we are back where we were two years ago, just without as much nasty debt.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Friday, April 7, 2023, 16:36:54
Nailed it.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Friday, April 7, 2023, 17:50:36
Someone made a good suggestion on twitter. Nicky Hammond on a consultancy basis (obviously couldnt afford him as a DOF) to sort the football structure out. Have the conversation, couldnt do any harm asking?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:04:20
The club don't deserve to sell another season ticket until they explain how they are going to turn this ship around next year.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:17:16
The complementary things left to say about Clem’s now seems to be reduced to saying at least he isn’t Power, what a sad state of affairs that is.

Call me old fashioned but I’m not a fan of absent owners running clubs at this level, when you are running with skeleton staff you need to be on top of it yourself or fork out and have competent people running things. We had an absent owner in Power, now we’ve got an absent owner with Clem. When you think of the way we’ve been operated for a decade now it’s not really a surprise where we are now.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:18:49
The complementary things left to say about Clem’s now seems to be reduced to saying at least he isn’t Power, what a sad state of affairs that is.

Call me old fashioned but I’m not a fan of absent owners running clubs at this level, when you are running with skeleton staff you need to be on top of it yourself or fork out and have competent people running things. We had an absent owner in Power, now we’ve got an absent owner with Clem. When you think of the way we’ve been operated for a decade now it’s not really a surprise where we are now.

The diffence with Power was he had two football people running the show he could trust.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:22:20
Clem is unfortunately proving to show himself as absolutely clueless at running a football club.

I have heard him referred to as a shrewd businessman, perhaps in the Australian plumbing world he is. At the moment he is making Power look competent as an owner.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:28:49
Clem is unfortunately proving to show himself as absolutely clueless at running a football club.

I have heard him referred to as a shrewd businessman, perhaps in the Australian plumbing world he is. At the moment he is making Power look competent as an owner.

What absolute drivel.
The football operations side of things on and off the pitch might not be great but all that shit is still a step up from literally stealing money out the club.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:28:55
Power may have been a rogue but he understood football


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:29:13
Quote from: tans
Someone made a good suggestion on twitter. Nicky Hammond on a consultancy basis (obviously couldnt afford him as a DOF) to sort the football structure out. Have the conversation, couldnt do any harm asking?

That assumes willing and recognition of the problem on clems part.

What's not clear to me is who, if anyone, is advising Clem right now. He's not  stupid enough to go alone surely, given he's inexperienced in all this .

So who has put whatever the hell the structure is supposed to be in place?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:31:41
What absolute drivel.
The football operations side of things on and off the pitch might not be great but all that shit is still a step up from literally stealing money out the club.

Did Power build a team that got us promoted? Yes or no..


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:33:35
Did Power build a team that got us promoted? Yes or no..

So we can over look stealing money out the club and putting the clubs existence in jeopardy for the sake of a promotion then?

Problem solved. Let’s bring Messi in next season £400k a week basic.
We’ll get promoted then go bust. Fantastic.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:34:53
So the answer is yes, thanks


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:37:38
So the answer is yes, thanks

You’ve answered yes as well.
Stealing and running the club into the ground is fine as long as we get promoted



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:38:21
…oh and then Power built us a team that got relegated straight away with John Sheridan in charge for fuck sake


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:38:32
Power was pure poison I won’t ignore that. But on the flip side his reign proved the importance of having a bit of football experience and contacts and the difference it could make. It’s a shame Clem couldn’t see this.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:43:58
You’ve answered yes as well.
Stealing and running the club into the ground is fine as long as we get promoted



I understand what you are saying, but that wasn’t my point. Everyone knows the bloke was taking the piss.

However Power as an owner knew you needed football people in the right roles.

And he employed a manager who built a team that got us promoted.

Clem is currently showing himself to be absolutely inexperienced in how to own a football club.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:55:13
Thank god we have such a big queue of people lining up with the means to buy Clem out and then take the club further...


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:56:05

Clem is currently showing himself to be absolutely inexperienced in how to own a football club.


I’m increasingly persuaded that Morfuni is not in charge, and is a front for Zavier Austin and Adam Hart. Nobody in their right mind keeps a convicted drug-money runner, who has spent time inside, and his sidekick who was, quite literally, on a “most wanted” list, in any way involved in running a successful business with credibility or integrity. I can’t help feeling that they are the ones really in charge, or that Morfuni has gifted them control of the football side because he doesn’t know enough about it (and they claim to). You couldn’t make it up. Organised crime meets lower league football. And if that’s the case, the role of Angus, and the Trust, is simply one of trying to apply the brakes and stop them rinsing us as Power did. Why do we attract more than our fair share of scumbags? Is it time to start pressing for more questions? Is the Trust playing ball / keeping quiet so that we keep Angus “in the camp” as the good guy amongst the filth?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:56:48
Did Power build a team that got us promoted? Yes or no..

So Wellens had fuck all to do with it then?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, April 7, 2023, 18:58:30
So Wellens had fuck all to do with it then?

See later post


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, April 7, 2023, 19:00:42
I’m increasingly persuaded that Morfuni is not in charge, and is a front for Zavier Austin and Adam Hart.

I’m also coming to a similar opinion, just that it’s  someone else who’s in charge who wants those two close


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 7, 2023, 19:01:20
I'm honestly on the verge of walking away at this point. Unless, between now and preseason, Clem clears out Zav Austin, if indeed he can, and admits that he has left the club in the hands of people who don't know what they are doing and recruits people accordingly to come in and run the club both on and off the pitch properly, then my recently purchased season ticket will be going unused.

Power knew that a smokescreen of competency on the pitch, until he went full kamikaze post Covid with Sheridan, was required to keep people from asking the tough questions and it worked for a long time.

Clem hasn't managed that, and I honestly believe that there are much tougher questions to be asked of this regime off the pitch and behind the scenes and people are already starting to zero in on them because the illusion of us being a going concern in football terms is rapidly going up in smoke.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, April 7, 2023, 19:03:48
I’m also coming to a similar opinion, just that it’s  someone else who’s in charge who wants those two close

Power?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 7, 2023, 19:05:36
Current form


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 7, 2023, 19:06:27
I’m increasingly persuaded that Morfuni is not in charge, and is a front for Zavier Austin and Adam Hart. Nobody in their right mind keeps a convicted drug-money runner, who has spent time inside, and his sidekick who was, quite literally, on a “most wanted” list, in any way involved in running a successful business with credibility or integrity. I can’t help feeling that they are the ones really in charge, or that Morfuni has gifted them control of the football side because he doesn’t know enough about it (and they claim to). You couldn’t make it up. Organised crime meets lower league football. And if that’s the case, the role of Angus, and the Trust, is simply one of trying to apply the brakes and stop them rinsing us as Power did. Why do we attract more than our fair share of scumbags? Is it time to start pressing for more questions? Is the Trust playing ball / keeping quiet so that we keep Angus “in the camp” as the good guy amongst the filth?

The role of the Trust in all of this leaves huge questions. They have, at absolute best, and I'm being as generous as I can, been astonishingly naive and guilty of thinking that their enemy's (Lee Power's) enemy is their friend. The part that really upsets me is thinking that the Eady money has in any way been used to further the aims of people who don't have STFC's best interests at heart.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, April 7, 2023, 19:07:50
See later post

So Power didn’t build the team then?

To be fair he did employ people who knew football, Wellens & Jewell.
But he also employed Sheridan & Sherwood who were both a disaster.

Clem employed Chorley & Garner that seemed to work but Lindsey & Sandro clearly didn’t.
Only time will tell if Morris & Brand are good appointments, not looking good so far


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, April 7, 2023, 19:08:39
Power?

No, the one he doesn’t get on with (not sitting ;) )


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, April 7, 2023, 19:16:24
So Power didn’t build the team then?

To be fair he did employ people who knew football, Wellens & Jewell.
But he also employed Sheridan & Sherwood who were both a disaster.

Clem employed Chorley & Garner that seemed to work but Lindsey & Sandro clearly didn’t.
Only time will tell if Morris & Brand are good appointments, not looking good so far

Someone at the club I know recently said it should have been Artell, which is concerning that they are already looking back with hindsight.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Moss on Friday, April 7, 2023, 22:38:27
I certainly thought that Artel was the sensible choice - but have to admit I was seduced by the "big name" first appointment Morris represented following the Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, Wise and even McMahon examples previously.

No harm to Clem for tying that. Signing Austin was also a coo - but it needed more than that. 

The more worrying thing is the potential shadiness others have mentioned, and the total lack of football people involved in the club.

Unless Lampard wants him back we have to continue with the experiment with Jodie Morris and to be fair he has been handed a squad not capable of getting promoted. Hoping that lessons are learned and we get some no nonsense hard men/seasoned pros to solidify the team with a bit of youthful flair thrown in for next season. And some people behind the scenes with some experience.

I'll give it the summer rebuild before slashing my STFC wrists just yet. I think it will come together over the summer, or melt down over the next few weeks :) Never dull is it (off the pitch that is)


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob1978 on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 06:27:33
I think Januarys transfer dealings destroyed the dressing room. Lindsey could see what was coming which is why he left. Also, given the parameters Lindsey was working under I think he was doing a decent job - the ‘fans’ who were right on his back need to give their heads a wobble.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 06:51:45
I think Januarys transfer dealings destroyed the dressing room. Lindsey could see what was coming which is why he left. Also, given the parameters Lindsey was working under I think he was doing a decent job - the ‘fans’ who were right on his back need to give their heads a wobble.
No, Lyndsey was a disaster. No two ways about it.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 07:06:37
No, the one he doesn’t get on with (not sitting ;) )

Indeed.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 07:11:25
No, Lyndsey was a disaster. No two ways about it.

Was a disastrous appointment to start with as was the recruitment “cheap” policy, as was binning experience to cash in on contracts and not replacing.

9,200 fans need looking after or will vote with their feet.

This is avoidable but some communication around the on the field activity right now would be welcome.
I don’t give a shit about a roof on the Stratton Bank, that can wait.

We are in free fall.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob1978 on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 07:11:54
No, Lyndsey was a disaster. No two ways about it.

Less of a disaster than now. Not saying Morris should go though… part of the problem is changing manager every 5 minutes.


Title: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 07:12:28
Quote
No, the one he doesn’t get on with (not sitting ;) )
talking of which, we still have that fa charge hanging over us.

any idea active when the power v not sitting case is due to be read


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 07:19:14
 the fact that power is now being remembered with some fondness tells you everything


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 07:29:54
Football fans won’t ask questions about the boardroom if the team is winning. We all knew Power was a cunt, but he gave us a league 1 play off season, and a league 2 title winning season, that bought him more time and stopped many of us asking to many questions, or even caring.

It’s the same for Clem, last season, we all knew Austin, Hart etc are dodgy, but we were having a good season, he’d saved the club blah blah blah, so he managed to get away with the difficult questions

Now we are shit on the pitch, it’s when the issues off it become more prominent, and rightly, there are a lot of questions that need asking and answering.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 07:55:50
Someone has posted a photo of a banner at the CG

‘STFC is rotten, from top to bottom’


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 08:08:12
Also noticed that the original morfuni take over article on club website has been taken down. I went back to see all the bullshit that they promised (like the 1,3,5,8 year plans, having the best academy and making it a certain tier blah blah, being a championship club etc etc) , turns out it doesn’t exist anymore…. link to said article can be found at the bottom of this link https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-07-21/swindon-town-announce-new-chairman-after-lengthy-ownership-battle

Still lots of articles on site from before and same kinda time… one on there defending Zav Austin’s appointment 😭


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 08:26:05
It's all falling apart isn't it. I do fear the ground 'purchase' or rather gifting just means the club save on 50% rent and nothing more. I believe they need to start a £1m project within a period of time under the terms of the sale. I worry we're going to see a roof on the bank and not much else.

Interesting how the rhetoric that Clem is shy and doesn't like talking publicly is starting to be wheeled out by the happy clappers. He wasn't shy when he was driving around town in a lorry for publicity on Sky Sports or lapping it up having breakfast with Chris Hull on TV before the Scunthorpe game, nor when sending Pep a get well soon message ahead of the City game.

Now is time for someone senior at the club to come out and address the fans, be it Clem or Angus, the silence right now is defening.

Where are the trust ? Its all well and good saying we ask the questions but when they aren't answered in a satisfactory manner a different approach is needed. Your members aren't happy, who do you serve? Your members or your masters ? How about a statement on the fact the club aren't fufiling their own fans charter by not having a second fans forum this season ?

The fact Power's stock is starting to rise is frankly astounding and a damning reflection of how much we are in freefall.

Something needs to change and fast, we're heading closer and closer to Non League in every way week by week right now.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 08:36:26
A little surprised BBC Wilts haven't  had a live phone in with Morris since he's been manager!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 08:40:37
Someone has posted a photo of a banner at the CG

‘STFC is rotten, from top to bottom’

Was still there 20 mins ago… nobody can even be bothered to take it down 😂


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 08:44:59
We need a photo to spread the word😀


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:07:03
Town fans always need to have a scapegoat, it’s usually a player (Gladwin & Iandolo) but now it’s Sandro.

If Clem gets rid of Sandro, (assuming he could) who is it going to be then?
Morris or Clem himself.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:10:36
As has been said numerous times, we need someone to come in at boardroom level who’s been around football.

What’s Callum Rice up to?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:10:47
We need a photo to spread the word😀

https://twitter.com/clemydia_/status/1644582164162310146?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:11:19
As has been said numerous times, we need someone to come in at boardroom level who’s been around football.

What’s Callum Rice up to?

Cabaret on the cruise ships

soapy tit wank


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:12:25
https://twitter.com/clemydia_/status/1644582164162310146?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA
I claim copyright on that. Those were my words yesterday, but not my banner before anyone asks.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:13:53
https://twitter.com/clemydia_/status/1644582164162310146?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

 :clap:



Title: Re: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:32:04
https://twitter.com/clemydia_/status/1644582164162310146?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA
Well that'll sort it!

We can whinge and whine about Clem till the cows come home but what realistically going to change, sadly there is hardly a queue of multi millionaires waiting in the wings to take over.


Title: Re: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:35:48
Well that'll sort it!

We can whinge and whine about Clem till the cows come home but what realistically going to change, sadly there is hardly a queue of multi millionaires waiting in the wings to take over.
My only hope is that he realises the damage it is doing to his reputation being associated with all the shysters in the background of the club and does something about it.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: doomster on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:44:00
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-two/trainervergleich/wettbewerb/GB4

This speaks volumes for our hiring.  I hope the club don’t buy to many pies and pasties for next Saturday as will be giving it a miss and I am sure many others will also.  I don’t typically leave early but we left yesterday at 1-3 when Mansfield scored third so prior to half time.

Lack of effort is unforgivable and Jody has done nothing to convince me that he is upto the job.  Change is needed now as personally I am not confident that giving him next season will do anything other than get us relegated.  Total disaster since transfer window.



Title: Re: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 09:53:55
Well that'll sort it!

We can whinge and whine about Clem till the cows come home but what realistically going to change, sadly there is hardly a queue of multi millionaires waiting in the wings to take over.


Time he sorts his fucking shit out then at this football club he owns. It’s a farce. Shambles of a club on and off the pitch currently. It really is rotten.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 10:03:40
Well that'll sort it!

We can whinge and whine about Clem till the cows come home but what realistically going to change, sadly there is hardly a queue of multi millionaires waiting in the wings to take over.

We are in the basement, yesterday pulling in 9,200 fans with nothing to play for.
If you can’t make something work out of that then Ffs.
Already had a Christmas come early gift from the Eady fund.

I’m not questioning Clem, of course he will have recruited some shite and got rid in his plumbing business but this is a football club.
Appoint some football people to run it and you never know things could look a little brighter.

Sick to death spending thousands supporting it, short changed and every reason to feel fucked off with it. Many on this forum don’t even go to and watch it, not having s go at them, they are the lucky ones.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 10:24:16
Led to believe there will be some significant announcements in the near future, that should give us all a bit more hope for next season.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 10:26:57
Perhaps the EFL/FA can introduce some jeopardy into our season and award a punishment for the Standing saga now. Imagine going into the last game of the season against Crawley and loser goes down, how exciting would that be.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 10:38:49
Led to believe there will be some significant announcements in the near future, that should give us all a bit more hope for next season.

Such as?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 10:39:42
Perhaps the EFL/FA can introduce some jeopardy into our season and award a punishment for the Standing saga now. Imagine going into the last game of the season against Crawley and loser goes down, how exciting would that be.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Actually think we are going to lose to Crawley and that will save them.
Probably be so lacklustre a performance that we will be charged by the EFL for throwing the game to help out our old friends :D


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 10:39:48
Chips back on the menu in the kiosks


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 10:54:59
Led to believe there will be some significant announcements in the near future, that should give us all a bit more hope for next season.
I have also been told this from a mate who works at the club but have no idea what they are, he says its not financial but that its great news for the club and fanbase. I keep questioning but have had no answer yet on what it is.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 10:59:46
Such as?

Steve Anderson is coming in to replace Rob Angus


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:00:57
Such as?

Rockin Robin is having his outfit sponsored.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:06:46
If there is anything…. Sandro and Zav offski is my guess.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:09:31
Now he’s sold WWE - Vince McMahon is buying STFC.
You heard it here first.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Matt71 on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:14:16
"Just seen the Swindon score. Bloody hell didn't think it could get much worse.

Morris needs the summer with someone who knows what they're doing behind him helping him build a team that he wants.

Whatever has been assembled here is a shell of a team. Sackable offence."

On Twitter Ryan Whelan sports journalist who usually backs the club and seems to get news before
anybody else now turning on club!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: UTR on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:14:44
Not sure it would even take a lot to get a decent amount of people back onside at least for next season. Get Clem to come out and acknowledge the mess of this season, where it went wrong and what’s going to be different next season. It wouldn’t remove all doubt from peoples heads, there would still be plenty of valid questions that need answering but it would at least stem the negative atmosphere that’s only getting worse and will likely be toxic by the end of the season.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:17:09
On Twitter Ryan Whelan sports journalist who usually backs the club and seems to get news before
anybody else now turning on club!

Maybe because they are sacking his mate Sandro?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:33:53
I'm going to be an optimist briefly and hope that this impending 'good news' is the reason we haven't heard from Clem through the post January shit show. No point coming out with something half baked if there is bigger news a week or two away.

Hopefully it is that Zav, Sandro and Hart are going on a three year secondment to Karachi FC.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:35:32
I have also been told this from a mate who works at the club but have no idea what they are, he says its not financial but that its great news for the club and fanbase. I keep questioning but have had no answer yet on what it is.
Free lube?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 11:44:49
If it’s not financial but will appease fans, it can only be the return of somebody seen as intrinsic to getting the club out of the chit.

Ben Chorley would be my uninformed guess.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:00:43
I doubt it


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:02:44
If it’s not financial but will appease fans, it can only be the return of somebody seen as intrinsic to getting the club out of the chit.

Ben Chorley would be my uninformed guess.

He wouldn’t leave Southampton for this shit show.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:05:48
My guess is - it will be something completely underwhelming that the fans are not bothered by and get incessantly anger over the fact it’s not Sandro being hung from the North Stand.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:10:21
I dont know for sure what the announcements will be, but expect more than one.

I'm pretty sure Sandro is out.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:12:05
Free lube?
You wish.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:12:49
I think Januarys transfer dealings destroyed the dressing room. Lindsey could see what was coming which is why he left. Also, given the parameters Lindsey was working under I think he was doing a decent job - the ‘fans’ who were right on his back need to give their heads a wobble.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:17:23
I can't think of a single performance objective that Sandro could conceivably had at the start of the season that he can have achieved.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:19:23
I can't think of a single performance objective that Sandro could conceivably had at the start of the season that he can have achieved.


He got a little compo for a shit manager😀


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:25:58
One of the announcements could be that Austin will be staying.
Fine if it happened but the team would then have to be built around him to pretty much guarantee 15-20+ goals.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:26:37
I have also been told this from a mate who works at the club but have no idea what they are, he says its not financial but that its great news for the club and fanbase. I keep questioning but have had no answer yet on what it is.

Same thing Whelan was alluding to and still hasn't come, probably.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Cowley38 on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:27:44
Same thing Whelan was alluding to and still hasn't come, probably.

Sandro gone, Austin staying....


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:29:38
Which would love Zav and Kiely to go.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:34:16
Which would love Zav and Kiely to go.

If Clem is the sole owner and the only one calling the shots, it really is time to lose the legion of spivs and gangsters to get some backing.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:39:29
If Clem is the sole owner and the only one calling the shots, it really is time to lose the legion of spivs and gangsters to get some backing.

Excellent analogy😀


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 12:53:34
When referring to Austin it might be helpful if we clarify whether we mean C Austin or Z Austin... just a thought...


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 13:50:49
When referring to Austin it might be helpful if we clarify whether we mean C Austin or Z Austin... just a thought...

In this case its Charlie, signed up for next season.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 13:56:17
Clem needs to put his big boy pants on and come out and say: sorry we messed up this season on the pitch badly with an action plan as to what they are going to put in place to get it right.

We saw a lot of this type of thing when he wanted to take us over but absolutely nothing since.

We are told what a shrewd businessman he is: however in any line of business you bring in people with knowledge of the sector which he has failed to do and this is the result. I really can’t believe for one how he has been taken in by Sandros bullshit.

All the fans, media know that you don’t get out of league 2 with a whole team of young inexperienced players who don’t have any physicality: if the powers that be cannot see this and don’t know what to do to put things right then they shouldn’t be running a football club.

Clem coming out and admitting they got it badly wrong this year and what actions are being taken to put it right would go a long way with fans. Without this they are in for a serious wake up call in terms of ST renewals


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 13:59:23
In this case its Charlie, signed up for next season.

Sandro gone and Austin back next season would inject some positivity.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 14:04:45
Quote from: Mooneyraker
Sandro gone and Austin back next season would inject some positivity.

would it?

I bloody love Charlie Austin

Surely though a change in recruitment approach will be needed to go with it.

No point in C Austin and a load of mildly talented 18 years old technical players. As if being perfectly demonstrated now


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 14:05:59
would it?

I bloody love Charlie Austin

Surely though a change in recruitment approach will be needed to go with it.

No point in C Austin and a load of mildly talented 18 years old technical players. As if being perfectly demonstrated now

Spot on :clap:


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 14:07:52
would it?

I bloody love Charlie Austin

Surely though a change in recruitment approach will be needed to go with it.

No point in C Austin and a load of mildly talented 18 years old technical players. As if being perfectly demonstrated now

I'm not saying it makes us a better team. I'm saying it injects some positivity!

If Sandro were to go that would imply a change in direction too.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 14:08:11
Sandro going would be us fans’ pound of flesh payment for a crap season but it doesn’t address the problem going forward for next season.

His replacement must have the appropriate experience.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 14:08:21
yeah, I guess so


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: doomster on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 15:22:36
Could it be lampard wanting Jody morris to be his number two again 🙏


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 15:23:13
Could it be lampard wanting Jody morris to be his number two again 🙏

No


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 16:40:12
would it?

I bloody love Charlie Austin

Surely though a change in recruitment approach will be needed to go with it.

No point in C Austin and a load of mildly talented 18 years old technical players. As if being perfectly demonstrated now

That’s still better than a load of mildly talented 18 year old technical players without C Austin.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:09:57
If Sandro goes then we need a DoF type, it cant be left to the manager to handle everything from contracts to organising the scouts, but we need to scrap the moneyball idea, yes we need to sell players to survive, all teams at this level do but if you have players in a successful team then other clubs will be looking, sell 1 or 2 and keep the majority of winning team and then strengthen, not dismantle the team every January and sign a few youngsters who have never played senior football.

I would like to see that statement from Clem, and then his press interview afterwards on how things will change on and off the pitch, starting with filling positions in the club, like club secretary for e.g. instead of people doing 2 jobs at the club.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:12:40
Sandro's model/formulal hasn't worked so the question is does the narrative come from Clem or did he buy into it either way the owner has a decision to make as things need to drastically change this summer or the club could end up in freefall.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:15:59
Name me one club and club owner that has ever come out with a statement that basically dissects the previous season, attributes blame to specific people and states what they are going to change for the following season…ever.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:20:15
I'm guessing if Sandro goes that question answers itself the same if we bring in more experienced players rather than a load of kids.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:22:38
When referring to Austin it might be helpful if we clarify whether we mean C Austin or Z Austin... just a thought...

Perhaps its Charlie in and Zav out in the same statement. 

Although I don't doubt we'll end up with it the other way around.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:30:23
His replacement must have the appropriate experience.

Do we need one? I'm sure Morris and Brand are happy enough to identify players themselves and if they need help perhaps they can appoint a chief scout themselves rather than the club telling them who to work with.

I find TD/DofF roles with a Head Coach set up can be square pegs in a round hole more often than not.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:33:06
Do we need one? I'm sure Morris and Brand are happy enough to identify players themselves and if they need help perhaps they can appoint a chief scout themselves rather than the club telling them who to work with.

I find TD/DofF roles with a Head Coach set up can be square pegs in a round hole more often than not.

Remember the good old days when the manager would meet the players and discusse their contracts etc.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:36:20
Remember the good old days when the manager would meet the players and discusse their contracts etc.

Probably said this before but i definitely prefer traditional set up, mainly because you know exactly where the buck stops.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:37:15
No need for statements or presentations on what went wrong.  What we need is actions.

Get a football operations person in to run the show.

Get a real DoF type if we insist on the stats recruitment still, not a friend of a friend.

Invest in five been there and done it players in our positions of weakness.  Sign the youngsters once that is in place.

Get some fucking paid employees on the books rather than sending out begging emails/tweets.

Tell Z Austin to stay well away and anyone else with a criminal record, at least from the boardroom.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:37:29
Probably said this before but i definitely prefer traditional set up, mainly because you know exactly where the buck stops.

Same as :clap:


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:43:14
Do we need one? I'm sure Morris and Brand are happy enough to identify players themselves and if they need help perhaps they can appoint a chief scout themselves rather than the club telling them who to work with.

I find TD/DofF roles with a Head Coach set up can be square pegs in a round hole more often than not.
In principle I think it's OK. Let the Manager/Coach get on with managing/coaching whilst the DOF scouts ehe player and gets on with the nuts and bolts of negotiating contracts and so on. Seemed to work quite well with Jewell and Chorley as far as I can make out....(both ex players of course)


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:48:31
If it’s not financial but will appease fans, it can only be the return of somebody seen as intrinsic to getting the club out of the chit.

Ben Chorley would be my uninformed guess.

This. Though if he comes back where does that leave mr. Analyst?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:52:21
Probably said this before but i definitely prefer traditional set up, mainly because you know exactly where the buck stops.
I've said it before, we're trying to be far to clever (and failing miserably)....I'm sick to death of hearing about 'the model' and...'oooh, player x doesn't fit the model'

The model's a load of old shit....fuck off with your XG and your spreadsheets...and 'playing fatigued'...it's like the Emperor's New Clothes...it's bollocks. If we were in the PL/Champions League, fair enough but we're trying (or at least should be) to scrap our way out of this God forsaken wilderness known as League 2...

Here's what you do...


Identify a player you like and ask yourself the questions...

Would he make us better? (use a few stats here if you like to inform your decision if it makes you feel better)
Would he want to play for us?
Can we afford him?

That's it. If he signs and does a good job for you, you'll sell him on and make money. Same outcome without the stupifying bullshit...


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 18:00:40
I've said it before, we're trying to be far to clever (and failing miserably)....I'm sick to death of hearing about 'the model' and...'oooh, player x doesn't fit the model'

The model's a load of old shit....fuck off with your XG and your spreadsheets...and 'playing fatigued'...it's like the Emperor's New Clothes...it's bollocks. If we were in the PL/Champions League, fair enough but we're trying (or at least should be) to scrap our way out of this God forsaken wilderness known as League 2...

Here's what you do...


Identify a player you like and ask yourself the questions...

Would he make us better? (use a few stats here if you like to inform your decision if it makes you feel better)
Would he want to play for us?
Can we afford him?

That's it. If he signs and does a good job for you, you'll sell him on and make money. Same outcome without the stupifying bullshit...

Love this.

Happy to use data to identify a striker if that data is 'how many times did the man smash the ball in the onion bag last season.' Less interested in 'how many times did he drop back through the thirds to enable the double pivot to win a second ball and enable a box entry.'


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 18:08:54
Oh God, box entries, pivots, playing through the thirds, transations...

Fuck off, it makes me want to throw up. If they were actually achieving something /anything on the pitch I'd shut the fuck up about it and say, 'well that's the way forward'... but they're not, so I'll carry on slating it for the utter bullshit that it is...


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 18:12:35
Name me one club and club owner that has ever come out with a statement that basically dissects the previous season, attributes blame to specific people and states what they are going to change for the following season…ever.

I pumped a few key words into Google and was pretty impressed with this one from Dunfermline!

https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=DAFC_Board_Statement:_End_of_season_2018/19&ID=11232

Note, delivered ahead of season tickets going on sale.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 18:23:14
Now THAT is transparency...


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 20:33:04
It’s certainly transparent but if Clem made that sort of statement are fans would go fucking mental and explode with rage.

Prices up.
Budget down.
Signing kids.

….worth pointing out that they are playing in the Scottish League One this season so have been relegated since this. Probably gone through about 4/5 managers ‘n all.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 20:36:48
Name me one club and club owner that has ever come out with a statement that basically dissects the previous season, attributes blame to specific people and states what they are going to change for the following season…ever.

Dunfermline. You’re welcome!  :pint:


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 07:16:37
https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire/status/1649639346394259458?t=IN5v2BeMhF6GFVesybjwKQ&s=19

I know this was posted elsewhere but thought it warranted a conversation.

I’m starting to think Clem might be trying to sell up. Had a roll of the dice with Austin/Morris, got the stadium and now wants out.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 07:37:25
https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire/status/1649639346394259458?t=IN5v2BeMhF6GFVesybjwKQ&s=19

I know this was posted elsewhere but thought it warranted a conversation.

I’m starting to think Clem might be trying to sell up. Had a roll of the dice with Austin/Morris, got the stadium and now wants out.

What makes you think that?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 07:43:17
What makes you think that?
Pessimism


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 07:45:21
Pessimism

The natural state of most Town fans!

I honestly don’t know… a feeling I guess. Something is off. And those ITK/journos saying changes were afoot.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 07:57:31
There is no denying it’s an absolute shit show at the moment. We will do well to hit 3k season tickets at this rate.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:20:11
https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire/status/1649639346394259458?t=IN5v2BeMhF6GFVesybjwKQ&s=19

I know this was posted elsewhere but thought it warranted a conversation.

I’m starting to think Clem might be trying to sell up. Had a roll of the dice with Austin/Morris, got the stadium and now wants out.
Morris is a miserable bastard isn't he


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:26:36
Morris is a miserable bastard isn't he

He may have reason to be... What did Sandro promise him? We just don't know what is going on because Clem has gone AWOL, the bloke he left to oversee the club in his absence has been relegated to 'matchday guest' and the CEO is in over his head with a skeleton staff who are all learning on the job. Chaos reigns. Roll up and buy your season tickets!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:29:59
That's a lot of of assumptions though. To be fair he was a miserable bastard after day 1. There will always be 2 sides though i suppose as much as the club have royally fucked up this season he has got what he has wanted it seems everytime he has asked


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:31:37
What assumptions have I made? I’ve asked a question and stated some facts.

He was miserable from day 1 because we fucked up deadline day, didn’t get his players in and spent weeks pissing about with his assistant. Fairly valid reasons to me.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:48:51
To play devil's avocado for a moment, Clem could well be on his limit for days spent in the UK before he gets whacked with a tax bill. Nothing to stop him doing a fans phone in or video call though.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:50:54
What assumptions have I made? I’ve asked a question and stated some facts.

He was miserable from day 1 because we fucked up deadline day, didn’t get his players in and spent weeks pissing about with his assistant. Fairly valid reasons to me.
Just seems you have decided that is the reason Morris comes across a miserable fucker. He might just be a miserable fucker. What players did he want to bring in on deadline day and what were the reasons the Brand deal took so long?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:58:22
Just seems you have decided that is the reason Morris comes across a miserable fucker. He might just be a miserable fucker. What players did he want to bring in on deadline day and what were the reasons the Brand deal took so long?

Malachi Fagan-Walcott and Kadji was a second choice because we missed out on someone else.

No idea why the Brand deal took so long but it doesn't happen to anyone else.

There was also a suggestion that the Morris deal took a long time to get over the line leaving him no chance to properly influence the window.

I literally said he 'may' have reason to be a miserable bastard. He's no mug and is media savvy. He knows what he is doing.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:00:23
When looking to takeover Clem was making zoom calls in cars at airports. Where there's a will there's a way, in 2023 if he wanted to communicate with the fans he would.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:04:57
Malachi Fagan-Walcott and Kadji was a second choice because we missed out on someone else.

No idea why the Brand deal took so long but it doesn't happen to anyone else.

There was also a suggestion that the Morris deal took a long time to get over the line leaving him no chance to properly influence the window.

I literally said he 'may' have reason to be a miserable bastard. He's no mug and is media savvy. He knows what he is doing.


Ok mate i am not disagreeing i am saying it's a few assumptions which it is , The spurs lad we wanted no matter who was in charge. As i said there are loads of reasons to be annoyed with the club but for me Morris being in a mood is the least reason to be.. In my opinion Clem and Rob have bent over backwards for him already and allowed him to make the changes he wants


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:08:59
No worries! I'm just quibbling with you use of the word assumptions when I've posed questions :D

What changes have Clem and Aberdeen allowed him to make out of interest? Other than seemingly being allowed to conduct interviews on the khazi.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:25:15
The natural state of most Town fans!

I honestly don’t know… a feeling I guess. Something is off. And those ITK/journos saying changes were afoot.

While in the long run, I'm sure Clem would be keen to sell the club.

What benefit is he going to get from selling it now? He has put c£7m into the club, he isn't going to make any kind of return in league 2 on that investment.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:32:19
Sometimes people cut their losses. See Andrew Black.

I’m not ‘ITK’ but it does seem like a zombie administration at the moment with loyal Aberdeen prepared to go down at the helm whilst everyone else hides themselves amongst the women and children on the life rafts.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:36:45
No worries! I'm just quibbling with you use of the word assumptions when I've posed questions :D

What changes have Clem and Aberdeen allowed him to make out of interest? Other than seemingly being allowed to conduct interviews on the khazi.


Only ones that i have heard but seem quite significant for me, we initially agreed the whole secondment thing with Brand but he insisted on it being a perm. He has requested certain areas of the club be changed so the club have invested in the gym area down the bottom being renovated to how he wants it. Also doesn't want to work with the medical team it seems and you will notice they are not on the bench anymore either. Even on his arrival the club said that he was the one who wanted Kajid and he wasn't the clubs first choice

Think for me that we kind of as fans need to seperate it a bit if that makes sense. The clusterfuck off the pitch needs sorting now but i think some of the shit we have seen over the last few months he has to accept some blame for it


Title: Re: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Laddy in Red on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:46:27
Morris is a miserable bastard isn't he
He'd fit in well round here for sure.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:49:09
He's miserable but haven't seen him angry in any of his interviews yet.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:53:01
Quote from: The Million Pound Man
When looking to takeover Clem was making zoom calls in cars at airports. Where there's a will there's a way, in 2023 if he wanted to communicate with the fans he would.

I think this is a massive thing :

on one hand April is very early for next season's planning. There may not be a lot to say.

on the other, after this season if you want to sell season tickets you need to start talking and doing. And yes as 'owner' he's got a big part to play in that.

I'm kind of hoping there are changes coming to recruitment they can't yet announce beyond Robs fluffy words.

[dad joke]
Clem should be renamed to Clam
[/dad joke]

ps. I don't feel Clem himself is malevolent at all, but if he's truly in charge there is work to be done with the fans.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:54:40
I thought someone posted a few weeks ago there was an imminent big announcement expected!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 10:03:52
Only ones that i have heard but seem quite significant for me, we initially agreed the whole secondment thing with Brand but he insisted on it being a perm. He has requested certain areas of the club be changed so the club have invested in the gym area down the bottom being renovated to how he wants it. Also doesn't want to work with the medical team it seems and you will notice they are not on the bench anymore either. Even on his arrival the club said that he was the one who wanted Kajid and he wasn't the clubs first choice

Think for me that we kind of as fans need to seperate it a bit if that makes sense. The clusterfuck off the pitch needs sorting now but i think some of the shit we have seen over the last few months he has to accept some blame for it

Interesting. Hadn't clocked the medical thing.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: derbystfc on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 10:17:29
Isnt the medical, fitness thing all tied in with Kiely??


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 12:58:32
He may have reason to be... What did Sandro promise him? We just don't know what is going on because Clem has gone AWOL, the bloke he left to oversee the club in his absence has been relegated to 'matchday guest' and the CEO is in over his head with a skeleton staff who are all learning on the job. Chaos reigns. Roll up and buy your season tickets!

Morris has good reason to be miserable. 3 wins in 15 games for starters.
It’s all well and good painting the club as the bad guys about what *they* promised him…but…what about what *he* promised *them*

I mean sure we all know things haven’t been run great behind the scenes but is it entirely possible that right now the club aren’t exactly sold on a manager with a 20% win rate? …and that doesn’t even tap into the ‘lost the dressing room’ & ‘lack of man management skills’ rumours that have flown around.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:28:22
 we are sleepwalking to the NL.   fair play to robinzzzzzz as he was the only one who didn't have good things to say about the owner


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:33:20
Interesting. Hadn't clocked the medical thing.
To be fair to Morris it’s clearly something that needed to be doing. Our players have looked unfit all season which will be a factor in some of the injuries and we were undercooked from day 1 as preseason was a farce. Also with all due respect when you have a head of strength and conditioning who is as unfit and overweight as McFarlane is it isn’t a great look.

On subject of budgets I keep seeing people say it’s early to be planning for next season, just to point out it’s less than 2 months until preseason training starts and just over 3 months until the first game, it’s not actually that far away.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:36:17
When are we expecting to see next seasons kits🤔


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:41:11
To be fair to Morris it’s clearly something that needed to be doing. Our players have looked unfit all season which will be a factor in some of the injuries and we were undercooked from day 1 as preseason was a farce. Also with all due respect when you have a head of strength and conditioning who is as unfit and overweight as McFarlane is it isn’t a great look.

On subject of budgets I keep seeing people say it’s early to be planning for next season, just to point out it’s less than 2 months until preseason training starts and just over 3 months until the first game, it’s not actually that far away.

It’s far away in the sense that people won’t do their retained / released lists till the end of the season.
A lot of players won’t make decisions on their future till they are free agents in July.

Have we looked unfit all season? Morris mentioned it once and now everyone keeps banging that drum. I don’t remember it being a main topic of discussion before Morris said it.
Don’t think any of us attended pre-season training did we? To know how good / bad it was.

If anything we are picking up more injuries and collapsing in the latter stages of games more under Morris.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:45:02
To be fair to Morris it’s clearly something that needed to be doing. Our players have looked unfit all season which will be a factor in some of the injuries and we were undercooked from day 1 as preseason was a farce. Also with all due respect when you have a head of strength and conditioning who is as unfit and overweight as McFarlane is it isn’t a great look.

On subject of budgets I keep seeing people say it’s early to be planning for next season, just to point out it’s less than 2 months until preseason training starts and just over 3 months until the first game, it’s not actually that far away.

I did wonder how we could have a fitness guy that was rather a large chap, makes it look like maybe he didn't follow that he teached, and how could the players buy into what he was telling them.

You would expect there to have been conversations already, if Morris believes that changes are needed then he needs to have that conversation and they need to decide what is affordable, it may also hinge on Sandro's future and how much involvement he is to have in future on recruitment, clearly January recruitment was decided by Sandro so he clearly likes the idea of bringing players in himself, and Morris may have decided he does not want him interfering.

Players futures don't very often get sorted until the end of the season when the manager tells the players who he will offer a new deal to, who's contract wont be renewed, and those that are free to spend the summer finding another club as they are not seen as being good enough (See Adeloye)



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:45:07
Early in the season there was a fair critique of the fitness and 'playing fatigued'.

one could ask if rushing players back had been a bad idea Uber Morris. No idea if that's the fitness guys or Morris doing


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:47:34
It’s far away in the sense that people won’t do their retained / released lists till the end of the season.
A lot of players won’t make decisions on their future till they are free agents in July.

Have we looked unfit all season? Morris mentioned it once and now everyone keeps banging that drum. I don’t remember it being a main topic of discussion before Morris said it.
Don’t think any of us attended pre-season training did we? To know how good / bad it was.

If anything we are picking up more injuries and collapsing in the latter stages of games more under Morris.

I’ve said we looked unfit all season, be were undercooked at the start of the season and in the last 10 minutes have always looked to be running on empty which is borne out by the shear number of late goals we’ve conceded. Also with so many injuries the fitness side of things will be a factor especially now if the players are suddenly doing more work than their bodies have previously been conditioned for.

The retained lists are just the formal arrangements, a lot of players will know where they will be next season and most clubs will already be talking with targets. If we genuinely haven’t really discussed next season yet then we will be massively behind the curve.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 15:51:30
Has anyone had their trust questionnaire?

Why is it mentioning residential properties?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 15:57:41
not seen tans. shrivvy road?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:06:15
How do you feel about the idea of some element of residential development being introduced to house players and help the club generate income and support further improvements?


Title: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:06:58
hmmmm. that's phrased like housing with the promise of players houses to justify it .

where are they putting it, the county ground car park!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:07:42
I'm hoping Phil Smith can have a word with his employers and ask them if they want to buy town :D. Worth the modest $25bn and taken Como through the league's.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:09:15
How do you feel about the idea of some element of residential development being introduced to house players and help the club generate income and support further improvements?
Hope we aren’t looking at something like Orient with flats in the corners, it’s just a bit shit. To be honest any form of residential development on the site would set a dangerous precedent.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:12:50
Wasn't there talk of a hotel in the Town End car park


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:15:46
I thought the covenent didn't allow residential buildings to be added to the site.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:21:50
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19882202.latest-swindon-town-council-talks-county-ground-sale/

Something on that in here...


Title: Re: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:42:14
I thought the covenent didn't allow residential buildings to be added to the site.
As has been discussed to death on here previously (when various nefarious and less so purchasers have expressed an interest) covenants can be removed with agreement of all parties, in this case I would be arguing that the residential development would be for the benefit, via a financial enabling process, of the sport/leisure /community use of the wider site.

Plus, for instance, does the car park form part of the title covered by the covenant or is it just the CG footprint. I imagine when the Goddard estate gifted the land there was no need for a car park or owt like that?

The Trust appear to have some pretty good advisors on board, I can't imagine they woukd be asking the question if they had been advised it couldn't be achieved?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 17:04:02
Quote from: Mooneyraker
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19882202.latest-swindon-town-council-talks-county-ground-sale/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19882202.latest-swindon-town-council-talks-county-ground-sale/)

Something on that in here...

thanks

Quote
A covenant placed on the land by the Goddard estate, which originally owned it, ensured that once the council sold the ground, it wouldn’t be turned into housing for a quick profit to the club.

Coun Renard added: “That covenant is still in place and it says the whole site must be used for sports and leisure purposes and I don’t imagine the Goddard estate would be looking to lift that covenant.

“Any further development would have to go through the planning process and be approved by the planning committee at the borough council anyway.”


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 17:09:38
from the trust:

"Hey @BatchStfc, it’s nothing more at the moment than just an idea of gauging residential housing in principle  to help fund the CG redevelopment. No proposals on how much, where or what type of housing. No idea if it’s even a viable option. Hope that helps?"


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 17:18:04
from the trust:

"Hey @BatchStfc, it’s nothing more at the moment than just an idea of gauging residential housing in principle  to help fund the CG redevelopment. No proposals on how much, where or what type of housing. No idea if it’s even a viable option. Hope that helps?"

It must have been discussed with the club because otherwise why would you even ask the question?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 18:36:58
If it's on the County Ground site then that's one way of opening the floodgates. Bet the Trust and Club try force the issue/convince fans it's only a good thing and a totally pure and innocent move.

Also begs the question, if this is their way of financing the stadium build/redev...what is their plan/option to financing if this isn't viable/supported? For some reason, and it's just a hunch, I feel like if this option can't be done...Town will sit in limbo where the ground will never end up completely redeveloped...just the bare minimum so it doesn't have to be resold back to SBC. Could end up being a redev lite thing; let's face it the current Town ownership don't appear to able to organise a Tea Party in Wonderland - let alone a Piss Up in a Brewery or at least don't appear to want to put in the finances required to organise as such.

I hope I'm spectacularly wrong but I feel very much ''don't touch with a barge pole'' kinda vibes about this.

NB: If they've identified land elsewhere which might be incorporated into a training centre/centre of development type facility where players can live as part of a residential then absolutely great. I fear that wouldn't be the case and it would be incorporated into the redev. Plus, Vice Chairman Zav has got to house all his Karachi ''Stars of Tomorrow'' somewhere...either that or soon, residents of Swindon could be being asked if they can house some refugees from Pakistan in the very near future...  ???


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 20:10:31
Quote from: tans
It must have been discussed with the club because otherwise why would you even ask the question?

I guess they could have just brainstormed ideas of how to raise more cash from the site.

I've marked it as a 0 as it's nonsense without context


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 20:23:14
I liked the Sports Bar, Micro Brewery and Live Music Venue ideas. They could all combine quite well in a redeveloped Town End.

Micro Brewery with a tap room and Sports Bar next to it doubling up as a live venue would be good. Bristol City seem to have made the Sports Bar work at Ashton Gate.

Problem might be getting people out of the brewery or bar if our home performances don't improve.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 22:59:53
Great result today... Wobbles fans must be a worried bunch of souls if Town can do them 5 -1
No I am not on the wrong page. Like us Clem Morfuni
must be relieved that Town have found a way to win again. Season tickets sales could start to rise and we are all going to be looking forward with anticipation to a far better season next time round.
The one thing that troubles me... why has Clem fallen so much in love with Swindon. Could be the football club ? Possibly the railway museum . Town centre No. The weather Don't think so. The charm of the caring local people Surely not.
There is a whole world of wonderful places between Sydney and Swindon with far better prospect's. So what is it really Clem ?
My guess is the smell of a buck or simply trying to recover your previous investment. What ever it is please be honest and when eventually you move on leave the club in a better state than when you found it.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 00:23:01
The Stadium redevelopment was one of the items that stood out for me on the new AB minutes, where they presented their "vision".  It seems absurd to me that we do not already have a two and five year master plan ready to implement.  Maybe not down to the fine print, but surely we knew we'd get the deal done, which has been several years in the making.  People should already have a very clear idea of what the priorities need to be - the fucking ground has not been hiding all this time!

Financing it would be one of the first questions to begin work on - by now we should have some clear idea of what route we plan to take.  The rent is only 100k, that's going to pay for some paint and carpet, but any proper development work should have a business case supporting it nearing readiness by now.

Example - Stratton Bank - what plans are there and why?  We've heard talk of a roof, which does not seem like a sound investment to me.  The other facilities to make it useable during a Town End knock down and new stand development make some sense, but not until we are financed and ready to go on that.

The Exec boxes in the DR stand makes much more sense to me - right now one of our top priorities is to utilise our new found ground ownership to increase revenue.  We have pretty sub standard Corporate facilities (they are much improved, but very limited in scale) - Exec boxes would reduce capacity but deliver immediate financial returns through increased revenue per person attending and provide facilities that can be rented out.  We don't get close to capacity, so dropping it a little for a year or two won't cost us.  That won't be cheap to do though, it needs some serious capital - we should already have had a very good idea on that cost and have been working on how to finance.  Lets say they provide 10 years of use before needing a refit, how much Revenue can they generate vs the initial outlay?  How is that outlay going to be financed, maybe needing an interest rate - does the return make sense to invest?

Forgive me if I am sounding a bit down on the people running the show, but it rather looks like we are making things up as we go along.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 02:43:21
RT

Simply put... lots more questions than answers on show.
Currently in New Zealand there many well established Building Development company's being put in receivership or liquidated. Have been told its a similar situation in the Australian market.

Big developments in SE Asian and the Middle East. However, money is tight here.

We are in similar markets as is Clem Morfuni's Axis company and trust me, currently its not all beer and skittles. Far from it.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 07:59:04
hmmmm. that's phrased like housing with the promise of players houses to justify it .

where are they putting it, the county ground car park!
players' houses...

a bit like the most prestigious youth academy in Europe, ie Barcelona's  La Masia?

we should be laughing at Wrexham's C-lister owners.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 08:39:52
How you guys turn something positive and engaging into complaining about everything is incredible, well done.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Laddy in Red on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:10:52
Grumpy men shout at the clouds meme


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:13:35
I liked the Sports Bar, Micro Brewery and Live Music Venue ideas. They could all combine quite well in a redeveloped Town End.

Micro Brewery with a tap room and Sports Bar next to it doubling up as a live venue would be good. Bristol City seem to have made the Sports Bar work at Ashton Gate.

Problem might be getting people out of the brewery or bar if our home performances don't improve.

I'm in agreement with this and how I completed the survey.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:14:58
Has anyone had their trust questionnaire?

Why is it mentioning residential properties?

Should I have received something? Can't see one and I usually get two copies of every trust email!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:17:53
Should I have received something? Can't see one and I usually get two copies of every trust email!

I got mine yesterday - assume you've checked junk etc? (email, not your arse)


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 11:46:45
Have we looked unfit all season?

unequivocally


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:17:40
We looked fitter in the Bradford game than any other game this season for sure.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:20:16
unequivocally

Cracking word and one that should come up in the word search thread!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:37:10
How you guys turn something positive and engaging into complaining about everything is incredible, well done.

I am not against any development that helps support the ground improvement.  I think gauging public opinion is a good thing.

I just think it's a bit late, if we hope to get moving any time soon.  If you want housing, regardless of type, it is going to take a couple of years.  That should have been in the works well before the deal was signed.  You can apply for Planning Permission without ownership.  In this case the Goddard Estate need negotiating with as well.

What I would want to see is the next couple of years already planned out and ready to be financed by now.  The club cannot plan on increased revenue without a realistic way of delivering it.  The attendances of the past year are not a million miles off of our peak, even for L1.  The revenue has to come from something else.  There is a lot of work to do.  Take those Exec boxes, not only do we need to get some sort of consent, we need to finance it, find a contractor, do the work, but also recruit a team to run them.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:45:23
I am not against any development that helps support the ground improvement.  I think gauging public opinion is a good thing.

I just think it's a bit late, if we hope to get moving any time soon.  If you want housing, regardless of type, it is going to take a couple of years.  That should have been in the works well before the deal was signed.  You can apply for Planning Permission without ownership.  In this case the Goddard Estate need negotiating with as well.

What I would want to see is the next couple of years already planned out and ready to be financed by now.  The club cannot plan on increased revenue without a realistic way of delivering it.  The attendances of the past year are not a million miles off of our peak, even for L1.  The revenue has to come from something else.  There is a lot of work to do.  Take those Exec boxes, not only do we need to get some sort of consent, we need to finance it, find a contractor, do the work, but also recruit a team to run them.

Agreed, it rather exposes the myth that this year the focus has been 'off the field' and the stadium. Seems like we are still at square one other than getting the 'oven ready' stadium purchase deal over the line.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 14:03:00
I am not against any development that helps support the ground improvement.  I think gauging public opinion is a good thing.

I just think it's a bit late, if we hope to get moving any time soon.  If you want housing, regardless of type, it is going to take a couple of years.  That should have been in the works well before the deal was signed.  You can apply for Planning Permission without ownership.  In this case the Goddard Estate need negotiating with as well.

What I would want to see is the next couple of years already planned out and ready to be financed by now.  The club cannot plan on increased revenue without a realistic way of delivering it.  The attendances of the past year are not a million miles off of our peak, even for L1.  The revenue has to come from something else.  There is a lot of work to do.  Take those Exec boxes, not only do we need to get some sort of consent, we need to finance it, find a contractor, do the work, but also recruit a team to run them.

While ideally the club would have this all planned out, they have said on numerous times that this isn't the case and have managed expectations.

The amount of time/work the deal has taken to get over the line can't be underestimated.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 14:17:53
But they can still put in place any relevant planning application, and have a bit more of a vision that a questionnaire sent out via the Trust.

It all seems pie in the sky. Formerly Drummer Boy and myself have joked in the past about how we would develop the ground which is a bit of harmless fun...it doesn't even feel like the club are any further forward than a fag packet in terms of what the complete plan is. Although the Artists Impression of what the Stadia might look like is nice, there doesn't really appear to be end decent emphasis on what the start or middle will look like.

It's as if the ThinkTank thought it but now they have no idea what to do next. Perhaps the owners will be asking for chartered surveyors and draughtspersons to volunteer their professional time gratis, maybe in lieu of some perishing Kingswood shirts and an unopened batch of 'I <3 Power' bumper stickers... :hmmm:

Cue Trust Member vehemently defending the club and berating anyone questioning that the club might be owned by people who haven't got a fucking clue.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 14:30:25


Cue Trust Member vehemently defending the club and berating anyone questioning that the club might be owned by people who haven't got a fucking clue.



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Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: donkey on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 14:48:31

I just think it's a bit late, if we hope to get moving any time soon.  If you want housing, regardless of type, it is going to take a couple of years.  That should have been in the works well before the deal was signed.  You can apply for Planning Permission without ownership.  In this case the Goddard Estate need negotiating with as well.

Whilst I agree with you, had the club (Clem) applied for planning permission for houses on the CG before the purchase, it would have set off alarm bells for many fans.  I can see why we are where we are.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 15:05:29
To be clear, there isn't currently a plan to build houses is there?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 15:08:12
To be clear, there isn't currently a plan to build houses is there?

Fixed it for you


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 15:08:41
If we're speculating building houses/apartments behind the Stratton back I'm not sure they could put in any access road.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 15:30:22
I am not against any development that helps support the ground improvement.  I think gauging public opinion is a good thing.

I just think it's a bit late, if we hope to get moving any time soon.  If you want housing, regardless of type, it is going to take a couple of years.  That should have been in the works well before the deal was signed.  You can apply for Planning Permission without ownership.  In this case the Goddard Estate need negotiating with as well.

What I would want to see is the next couple of years already planned out and ready to be financed by now.  The club cannot plan on increased revenue without a realistic way of delivering it.  The attendances of the past year are not a million miles off of our peak, even for L1.  The revenue has to come from something else.  There is a lot of work to do.  Take those Exec boxes, not only do we need to get some sort of consent, we need to finance it, find a contractor, do the work, but also recruit a team to run them.
TBF to them Rob they've only got the keys 3 weeks ago


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 16:15:02
But they can still put in place any relevant planning application, and have a bit more of a vision that a questionnaire sent out via the Trust.

It all seems pie in the sky. Formerly Drummer Boy and myself have joked in the past about how we would develop the ground which is a bit of harmless fun...it doesn't even feel like the club are any further forward than a fag packet in terms of what the complete plan is. Although the Artists Impression of what the Stadia might look like is nice, there doesn't really appear to be end decent emphasis on what the start or middle will look like.

It's as if the ThinkTank thought it but now they have no idea what to do next. Perhaps the owners will be asking for chartered surveyors and draughtspersons to volunteer their professional time gratis, maybe in lieu of some perishing Kingswood shirts and an unopened batch of 'I <3 Power' bumper stickers... :hmmm:

Cue Trust Member vehemently defending the club and berating anyone questioning that the club might be owned by people who haven't got a fucking clue.



Yes agreed they could have done but I would much rather they take into account fans views.

I honestly don't get your 'issue' here, if it 2 years time nothing has been done then agreed.

Have we ever seen anything from the club suggesting they will have planning permission within months of competing the sale?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Cookie on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 16:22:23
I can't believe we haven't built the town end yet, what the fuck are they playing at.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: 4D on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 19:15:24
TBF to them Rob they've only got the keys 3 weeks ago

TBF the club have been tenants for a long time.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 19:46:15

Yes agreed they could have done but I would much rather they take into account fans views.

I honestly don't get your 'issue' here, if it 2 years time nothing has been done then agreed.

Have we ever seen anything from the club suggesting they will have planning permission within months of competing the sale?


I've no issue. To clarify, I mean that they could have applied for relevant planning - not necessarily been granted it. So in that sense they can do both, have already applied for planning and ask fans their views. If fans then massively opposed any potential idea, they don't have to act upon any planning potentially granted AND they can adapt their idea and apply for planning again with it amended.

I'm very well aware that these things can and do take time but the current owner[s ] of STFC seem to always be behind any curve or lacking. It's all good having big ideas, I've had plenty and I'm sure many more have too, but putting them into motion and efficiently so tends to need a good team of professional people. We have Clem [front] and Rob [club puppet and nothing against Rob but it's clear he's been used as the bridge between fans and the others] who seem ok but lacking in experience, then we have Zav [unofficial VC but is just a guest honest guv], Adam Hart... SdM  :( and Chris Kiely...plus whatever detritus lingers from an era that still manages to be worse than spreading season on a hot day.

Maybe the questioning lies more with the uncertainty of the qualifying element of those running the show and by that I don't necessarily mean anything nefarious, just wondering whether they have they acumen between them to get this project over the line. At present, I'm firmly in the ''most probably not camp''...so that's probably what my real underlying issue is.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 20:52:12
I've no issue. To clarify, I mean that they could have applied for relevant planning - not necessarily been granted it. So in that sense they can do both, have already applied for planning and ask fans their views. If fans then massively opposed any potential idea, they don't have to act upon any planning potentially granted AND they can adapt their idea and apply for planning again with it amended.

I'm very well aware that these things can and do take time but the current owner[s ] of STFC seem to always be behind any curve or lacking. It's all good having big ideas, I've had plenty and I'm sure many more have too, but putting them into motion and efficiently so tends to need a good team of professional people. We have Clem [front] and Rob [club puppet and nothing against Rob but it's clear he's been used as the bridge between fans and the others] who seem ok but lacking in experience, then we have Zav [unofficial VC but is just a guest honest guv], Adam Hart... SdM  :( and Chris Kiely...plus whatever detritus lingers from an era that still manages to be worse than spreading season on a hot day.

Maybe the questioning lies more with the uncertainty of the qualifying element of those running the show and by that I don't necessarily mean anything nefarious, just wondering whether they have they acumen between them to get this project over the line. At present, I'm firmly in the ''most probably not camp''...so that's probably what my real underlying issue is.

Proof is in the pudding but I'm perfectly happy with what's happened so far and the timing of it all. 

I would expect to see the right professionals in for the job, fingers crossed that happens but I can't see why it wouldn't..


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: DMC on Monday, April 24, 2023, 08:59:13
TBF the club have been tenants for a long time.
Right so that means the current owners should have the diggers in already?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:04:18
Proof is in the pudding but I'm perfectly happy with what's happened so far and the timing of it all. 

I would expect to see the right professionals in for the job, fingers crossed that happens but I can't see why it wouldn't..


NO!

The proof OF the pudding is in the EATING. It drives me mental when people in the media (especially football pundits) get this wrong pretty much every time. "The proof is in the pudding" is utterly meaningless.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:04:40
I'm pretty sure Angus said "nothing would happen for at least 18 months"


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RedRag on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:06:43
We shall judge Clem, like all other owners, on his departure but for now I certainly still feel fortunate to have him as owner.  Like many others I do have serious doubts about the quality of Clem's setup, both on-field and off-field management.  Zav and Sandro, for sure and, without more experienced support, then also Rob.

I don't believe that expectations of 100% commercial transparency beyond the boardroom are realistic.  Therefore much fan criticism is rather hypothetical.  I'd hope no one is demanding planning permissions should already be in NOW for Ground development and a promotion winning spine of next season's squad be in place in plenty of time for next August's kick off - whilst boasting they are not renewing their season ticket for the first time in X years.

Clem has brought a little bit of honour to club finances but, taking into account a soft loan of £5m to him, the balance sheet is not dramatically improved. We might be a well supported L2 club (or an averagely supported L1 club) but that's still relatively tinpot.  Clem is no Madejski.

Right now the rather happy clappy Advisory Board tells us that a County Ground Joint Venture Board is being appointed this month and that a first meeting is scheduled for next month.  We're going to have to suck it up some more till its composition is known and till it has met and reported.  And my guess is for what will seem like a decent while longer.  

We do however know there is a Council buyback option condition in our CG purchase agreement if development work has not started within (I believe) 3 years.  Not sure exactly what is meant by development work but that makes some progress likely.  We can but support the club financially as best as possible meanwhile whilst continuing to air our concerns.



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:07:09
All this talk of planning, where does one begin....

I would be flabbergasted if they don't already have a pretty good idea of what they want to do having been advised as to what works and what doesn't, from experience 9 times out of 10 public consultation is more often than not to rubber stamp for support for what is aspired to rather than to remotely steer the development of proposals.

Yes they could have applied for planning permission previously, but a) that would have been a pain in the arse procedurally as the Council would have had a financial interest as land owner which would delay matters and b) from reading this forum alone know that whatever they proposed a proportion of the fan base will be fuming about it, albeit whether that runs to sticking head above parapet and formally objecting who knows and c) would mean spunking £!0's k's up the wall on professional and application fees alone.

I would imagine that the residential bit is a kite flying exercise just to gauge opinions, would probably make the best returns financially but is it worth the hassle, lets see what the fans say. I imagine that a master plan is already sketched out for the site with interchangeable uses for certain plots, with a viability appraisal standing along side it to be updated as per type/use, quality, siting and quantum of developments.

Haven't even looked at the questionnaire yet, but I did receive one a I am not black balled by Sandro/Kiely/Austin so we shall see.  


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RedRag on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:17:30
All this talk of planning, where does one begin....

I would be flabbergasted if they don't already have a pretty good idea of what they want to do having been advised as to what works and what doesn't, from experience 9 times out of 10 public consultation is more often than not to rubber stamp for support for what is aspired to rather than to remotely steer the development of proposals.

Yes they could have applied for planning permission previously, but a) that would have been a pain in the arse procedurally as the Council would have had a financial interest as land owner which would delay matters and b) from reading this forum alone know that whatever they proposed a proportion of the fan base will be fuming about it, albeit whether that runs to sticking head above parapet and formally objecting who knows and c) would mean spunking £!0's k's up the wall on professional and application fees alone.

I would imagine that the residential bit is a kite flying exercise just to gauge opinions, would probably make the best returns financially but is it worth the hassle, lets see what the fans say. I imagine that a master plan is already sketched out for the site with interchangeable uses for certain plots, with a viability appraisal standing along side it to be updated as per type/use, quality, siting and quantum of developments.

Haven't even looked at the questionnaire yet, but I did receive one a I am not black balled by Sandro/Kiely/Austin so we shall see.  
Helpful to have your planning insight on board.  

A master plan with interchangeable uses for certain plots makes sense - alongside a longshot "housing" alternative with what you say is its "funding" advantage.

It is really the funding that will be the challenge and the skills of the County Ground Joint Venture Board will be crucial.  I was pleased to note that the Eady Trust will be having its input there - in terms of protecting the fans' best interests.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:27:54
I'm pretty sure Angus said "nothing would happen for at least 18 months"

If he means shovels in ground sounds about right once you take into account preparing the application/s (which may need an EIA), determination period probably of at least 6 months, then no doubt a plethora of pre-start conditions to discharge before anything can be done.

We do however know there is a Council buyback option condition in our CG purchase agreement if development work has not started within (I believe) 3 years.  Not sure exactly what is meant by development work but that makes some progress likely.  We can but support the club financially as best as possible meanwhile whilst continuing to air our concerns.

TBH setting aside what definition of 'development work' is applied (coincidentally I am presently having a very similar debate with a Council in Wales regarding something like this), there are also several reasons why I can't see this happening, firstly one potential key delay to this whole process is the planning which is entirely in the gift of the Council and or the SoS via PINS, any delays in this could be argued to be outside the control of the Club and the delay being caused by the same party attempting to apply the contract and thus the deadline extended. Secondly in the present financial climate I can't see the Council wishing to repurchase a grotty stadium which they can't do much with and if they have fallen out with the club likley lost their only potential tenant, it would go down like a white elephant tied to a lead balloon with tax payers.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:32:11
If he means shovels in ground sounds about right once you take into account preparing the application/s (which may need an EIA), determination period probably of at least 6 months, then no doubt a plethora of pre-start conditions to discharge before anything can be done.

TBH setting aside what definition of 'development work' is applied (coincidentally I am presently having a very similar debate with a Council in Wales regarding something like this), there are also several reasons why I can't see this happening, firstly one potential key delay to this whole process is the planning which is entirely in the gift of the Council and or the SoS via PINS, any delays in this could be argued to be outside the control of the Club and the delay being caused by the same party attempting to apply the contract and thus the deadline extended. Secondly in the present financial climate I can't see the Council wishing to repurchase a grotty stadium which they can't do much with and if they have fallen out with the club likley lost their only potential tenant, it would go down like a white elephant tied to a lead balloon with tax payers.

Where's all the talk of building houses come from🤔


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:35:47
I think we're all reaching the stage where we've got past the simple relief of having an owner who seems to be trying to build a club rather than simply using it as a front for self enrichment in whatever legal,  semi legal or plain crooked way they can find. After a couple of seasons we're now hoping for some competence. It's not like we've not had people with money running the club previously (and with much more than Clem), but without some football knowhow, they just spent a lot of cash and never left the bottom two leagues.When they left we were no better off than when they arrived

The ground purchase and development will at least mean we'll see some off the the field progress this time around, but to move things forward on the playing side the coaching staff need to be supported with some experienced professionals on the recruitment and football administration side.

Much as I'm pleased that we have a CEO in place that fans can trust to have the club's best interests at heart, I think it's a worry that that side of the club management is him and SDM. With a CEO with no background in pro football clubs, we need a DoF with more experience than we currently have. SDM may have a part to play but I don't see how he fits the role of Technical Director.

In that role you're asking Morris to defer to the superior technical footballing knowledge of SDM and that isn't sustainable. I can't see us starting next season with the current set up frankly.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RedRag on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:40:43
So the buy back provision is extremely unlikely to be used in practice.  Noted.

Any outline thoughts beyond planning on how a development of the scale (Town End/Stratton Bank) and type (hotel/other venue(s) ) previously discussed might be funded?  


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:56:36
I was pleased to note that the Eady Trust will be having its input there - in terms of protecting the fans' best interests.

Yes, good to have a canary in the coalmine in the form of the Eady Trust.

On that note, do we know if the £2.4m or whatever it was was the full amount left to the club by Nigel? I know a good amount obviously went to the Community club too. I had heard a rumour that the Eady Trust had been extremely well managed and that the legacy had grown significantly as a result.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:57:15
So the buy back provision is extremely unlikely to be used in practice.  Noted.

Never say never, but to me it appears to be as much of an undesirable outcome to be avoided at all costs for the Council as the club.

Any outline thoughts beyond planning on how a development of the scale (Town End/Stratton Bank) and type (hotel/other venue(s) ) previously discussed might be funded?  

There are any number of ways, Clems pockets, bank funding, JV's, third party funding. With things like hotels its often property investment companies who buy the land either with or without planning permission and then fund and complete the development and then lease to the operators, but not sure how that would work for the club as they desire the 24/7/365 income that would only really come if they retained the freehold.

Construction and development (including its financing is all over the shop at the moment with as many companies booming as are going bang, so we shall see.

I can see this being a whole new can of worms for people to get excited about once the process develops.

P.S just completed the questionnaire and its as interesting for what it doesn't say as for what it does, albeit everyone needs to calm down a bit. Its undoubtedly the case that what is listed is what the club is thinking of doing, but likewise they ain't going to do it just if the fans say so, so for instance they will only build a hotel/ressy if their commercial advisors say its commerciality viable, not because a majority of the fans think its a good idea.  


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:58:29
Where's all the talk of building houses come from🤔

Trust survey for the JV board to consider.
Join up Jimbo & you'll get one.  :)


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:00:58
Thinking slightly shorter term, in the last AB minutes it stated that we passed the ground's safety inspection but with the caveat that we would invest in certain areas. The emergency generator was one thing and I also heard that we had to reduce capacity to 70% of the ground which I think was down to the Stratton Bank basically being 'condemned'. I know the options for the SB are either to chuck a roof on it or completely redevelop it, but given the awful facilities and the fact it can't be used, what do people think we should do with it?

It sounds like we can't just stick a roof on it as that won't make it usable and therefore we might have to think about doing something properly with it?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:10:03
Thinking slightly shorter term, in the last AB minutes it stated that we passed the ground's safety inspection but with the caveat that we would invest in certain areas. The emergency generator was one thing and I also heard that we had to reduce capacity to 70% of the ground which I think was down to the Stratton Bank basically being 'condemned'. I know the options for the SB are either to chuck a roof on it or completely redevelop it, but given the awful facilities and the fact it can't be used, what do people think we should do with it?

It sounds like we can't just stick a roof on it as that won't make it usable and therefore we might have to think about doing something properly with it?

I'd hold off spending a bean on it until it can be done properly. We aren't going to be knocking the Arkells down anytime soon, so better to spend a bit of cash in there fixing the horror-show toilets and improving the concourse etc. It makes me laugh that we are owned by a plumber but the taps in the Arkells toilets have been broken for at least 30 years!


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:25:21
Thinking slightly shorter term, in the last AB minutes it stated that we passed the ground's safety inspection but with the caveat that we would invest in certain areas. The emergency generator was one thing and I also heard that we had to reduce capacity to 70% of the ground which I think was down to the Stratton Bank basically being 'condemned'. I know the options for the SB are either to chuck a roof on it or completely redevelop it, but given the awful facilities and the fact it can't be used, what do people think we should do with it?

It sounds like we can't just stick a roof on it as that won't make it usable and therefore we might have to think about doing something properly with it?

Is the 10K thing anything bar rumour at this stage? FWIW we only got over 10K in 3 games this season (Wallsall, Grimsby and Gillingham two of which were under Mad Gav so he is a lure!) we would likely again with Wrexham, NC if they come up and Oxford if they come down.

I suppose the issue will be what needs to be spent on the SB to get it certified and balance that against the potential lost ticket revenue of a restricted attendance for a bit?

WRT the roof, I remain unconvinced that this can be easily done considering what shite is likely to be beneath the terracing, so probably if it can be start from new, something similar (but I assume lower) to the DR was approved at the same time as the DR so if they can find that polish it and resubmit it?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:41:09
I'd hold off spending a bean on it until it can be done properly. We aren't going to be knocking the Arkells down anytime soon, so better to spend a bit of cash in there fixing the horror-show toilets and improving the concourse etc. It makes me laugh that we are owned by a plumber but the taps in the Arkells toilets have been broken for at least 30 years!

I'm inclined to agree. We didn't use the SB at all this season (I think that's right) and we should be able to accommodate the away support in the Arkells  - realistically only Oxford (should they get relegated) and Wrexham would be looking for extra tickets so it's probably going to be ok to be out of bounds until we eventually get into league 1.

Is the 10K thing anything bar rumour at this stage? FWIW we only got over 10K in 3 games this season (Wallsall, Grimsby and Gillingham two of which were under Mad Gav so he is a lure!) we would likely again with Wrexham, NC if they come up and Oxford if they come down.

I suppose the issue will be what needs to be spent on the SB to get it certified and balance that against the potential lost ticket revenue of a restricted attendance for a bit?

WRT the roof, I remain unconvinced that this can be easily done considering what shite is likely to be beneath the terracing, so probably if it can be start from new, something similar (but I assume lower) to the DR was approved at the same time as the DR so if they can find that polish it and resubmit it?

Rumour as far as I know. My assumption was that this is only a recent thing where we 'passed' the recent safety inspection with the caveat that we have to buy a generator and (this is the assumption) not use the SB.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:47:56
I suppose the issue will be what needs to be spent on the SB to get it certified and balance that against the potential lost ticket revenue of a restricted attendance for a bit?

That, and is it dead money if we do something more substantial in the nearish future.

We do need to start on £1m ground improvements withing 12 months, right?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:58:00

We do need to start on £1m ground improvements withing 12 months, right?

I suspect easily spent over the summer just tidying/repairing existing without the need for any consents from anyone.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 24, 2023, 11:11:22
I'm pretty sure Angus said "nothing would happen for at least 18 months"

Aren't we required to start work within that time frame or the council can buy the ground back?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, April 24, 2023, 11:19:00
Aren't we required to start work within that time frame or the council can buy the ground back?

No mention of that in the interview. 4.17 for timescale

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=em0PzpoEAeM


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 24, 2023, 11:31:50
Aren't we required to start work within that time frame or the council can buy the ground back?

a redevelopment project of more than £1 million in costs has to be commenced within the first 3 years. If that doesn't happen the council can buy the ground back.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 24, 2023, 11:34:49
yeah my bad, started within 3 years not 1 year.

they gives better wiggle room


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 24, 2023, 11:51:31
I cannot for one minute believe the Council would ever want to buy the ground back, regardless of what may be in the contract.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, April 24, 2023, 12:08:04
I'd hold off spending a bean on it until it can be done properly. We aren't going to be knocking the Arkells down anytime soon, so better to spend a bit of cash in there fixing the horror-show toilets and improving the concourse etc. It makes me laugh that we are owned by a plumber but the taps in the Arkells toilets have been broken for at least 30 years!
Would agree. The Stratton bank terracing isn’t designed for seats so view isn’t what it should be, the state of the existing terracing from a concrete structural perspective can’t be great either. Then with the lack of facilities and adding a roof that will likely have pillars it’s just going to be a turd polishing exercise and look a bit shit. It’ll be a waste of real estate as well, building a proper stand gives you room underneath for a concourse and other facilities and therefore won’t need toilet blocks put in corners and what not. If we just whack a roof on it then chances are it’ll be required to be done again properly in the not to distant future so just ends up a waste of money.

As for the residential element, it just sounds like a bad idea for so many reasons. If we were to chuck apartments into corners or built into stands you just know it will end up restricting ground operations. We’ll end up with people moaning about noise and knowing the council and government bodies end up with a curfew on the ground and having to minimise the impact of match days. It just sounds like a whole load of hassle. That’s before you consider any added attraction the idea of a residential development may have on unscrupulous ‘investors’.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 24, 2023, 12:08:11
If the club are suddenly finding out sticking a roof on the bank and a bit of minor works won't make it viable to open then that doesn't surprise me to be honest. The side corner of the Bank and DRS is an absolute state.

Executive boxes in the DRS should probably be prioritised anyway as that'll bring in extra revenue, providing it isn't going to mean the DRS is completely out of use for a lot of season time of course. I don't know if its too unrealistic to expect that sort of work to be completed in a summer.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 12:19:19
Executive boxes in the DRS should probably be prioritised anyway as that'll bring in extra revenue, providing it isn't going to mean the DRS is completely out of use for a lot of season time of course. I don't know if its too unrealistic to expect that sort of work to be completed in a summer.

Could be done fairly quickly if the suitable groundworks were done when the stand was built, so if there is sufficient power to the second concourse and provision in place for services in and out plus the necessary stairwells etc.

In terms of the boxes themselves not sure how many are planned, but beyond taking out the seats and concrete terrace in front, installation of glazed openings, suspended ceilings, stud walls carpets finishes etc plus bar areas etc, all easily done quickly if you have contractor capacity. Probably depend as much as anything how the structure was originally designed to achieve all the above, if plans were drawn up but not executed its a question of mobilisation.

Potentially the main issue could be whether they have been selling seasons tickets in the affected rows, next area of outrage incoming?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 24, 2023, 12:34:18
Yes, good to have a canary in the coalmine in the form of the Eady Trust.

On that note, do we know if the £2.4m or whatever it was was the full amount left to the club by Nigel? I know a good amount obviously went to the Community club too. I had heard a rumour that the Eady Trust had been extremely well managed and that the legacy had grown significantly as a result.

Just bumping this. Anyone ITK?


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 24, 2023, 14:03:18
Potentially the main issue could be whether they have been selling seasons tickets in the affected rows, next area of outrage incoming?

Presumably first works won't be until next summer at the earliest (possibly even summer of 25?). You'd have to give some sort of priority window to those effected to pick new seats. 


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 24, 2023, 18:20:44
Just bumping this. Anyone ITK?

Nobody knew how much was originally left (except for the Eady foundation who have shown that they are an organisation who takes the responsibilty very seriously) so the liklehood of anyone knowing what the original figure has grown to is pretty slim I would say.

We should just be greatful for what we have already received and if anything else comes of it then be thankful again, but not dwell on it..


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 24, 2023, 18:32:28
Nobody knew how much was originally left (except for the Eady foundation who have shown that they are an organisation who takes the responsibilty very seriously) so the liklehood of anyone knowing what the original figure has grown to is pretty slim I would say.

We should just be greatful for what we have already received and if anything else comes of it then be thankful again, but not dwell on it..

100%

I just wondered if there was anything in the pot to start the ground development.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 24, 2023, 18:40:28
100%

I just wondered if there was anything in the pot to start the ground development.

I guess if there is, the Eady foundation will step forward as and when they see a suitable cause that Sir Nigel’s hard earned cash should go into.

I hope Nigel’s name is remembered ahead of any owner or player for Swindon Town FC for the completely selfless legacy that he has created for himself, without having any motivation to do so.  The bloke should be at the top of all Swindon Town’s legend lists..


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 24, 2023, 18:54:33
I guess if there is, the Eady foundation will step forward as and when they see a suitable cause that Sir Nigel’s hard earned cash should go into.

I hope Nigel’s name is remembered ahead of any owner or player for Swindon Town FC for the completely selfless legacy that he has created for himself, without having any motivation to do so.  The bloke should be at the top of all Swindon Town’s legend lists..

Agreed.

Easy to overlook the generosity of Goddards too, well before any of our time. Good philanthropic stuff and their lawyers were clearly no mugs either, or the County Ground would have become a Tesco many moons ago.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 24, 2023, 20:10:44
the Eady estate also contributed towards foundation park and the new foundation dome pitches.

football has done very well from Mr Eady's generosity.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Monday, April 24, 2023, 23:02:57
Thinking slightly shorter term, in the last AB minutes it stated that we passed the ground's safety inspection but with the caveat that we would invest in certain areas. The emergency generator was one thing and I also heard that we had to reduce capacity to 70% of the ground which I think was down to the Stratton Bank basically being 'condemned'. I know the options for the SB are either to chuck a roof on it or completely redevelop it, but given the awful facilities and the fact it can't be used, what do people think we should do with it?

It sounds like we can't just stick a roof on it as that won't make it usable and therefore we might have to think about doing something properly with it?

You can’t polish a turd as they say. Anything less that a demolition job of SB and a complete rebuild would be ridiculous and a waste of money. To even think that sticking a roof on it suddenly makes it a credible stand in this day and age is laughable.


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 08:16:07
Agreed.

Easy to overlook the generosity of Goddards too, well before any of our time. Good philanthropic stuff and their lawyers were clearly no mugs either, or the County Ground would have become a Tesco many moons ago.

TBF there were two layers of control regarding the covenant the Lawyers were just doing what they were instructed to do.

I'll be honest, properly in the minority here but I had no idea who the Goddards were until I looked last night. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddard_family



Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 08:19:33
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddard_family

Interesting! Fitzroy Pleydell Goddard has TWO streets named after him :D


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 08:29:11
Interesting! Fitzroy Pleydell Goddard has TWO streets named after him :D

When you own the land you influence the name of the street!  ;)

Looking at the dates as we moved to the CG in 1896 I assume he is the Goddard we need to thank.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Fitzroy_Pleydell_Goddard_%281852-1927%29.jpg/220px-Fitzroy_Pleydell_Goddard_%281852-1927%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Clem'll Fix It
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 08:45:52
When you own the land you influence the name of the street!  ;)

Looking at the dates as we moved to the CG in 1896 I assume he is the Goddard we need to thank.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Fitzroy_Pleydell_Goddard_%281852-1927%29.jpg/220px-Fitzroy_Pleydell_Goddard_%281852-1927%29.jpg)
Garry, our American posters slightly distant relative.