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Title: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:22:33
Fill yer boots.

Clem meeting Gavin Gunning today to see if he wants it apparently.  ???


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:23:11
Cant see it, but the Cowley brothers


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:23:47
Cant see it, but the Cowley brothers

Isn't their brand of football duller than SL's was?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:27:51
Cant see it, but the Cowley brothers

Fuck that

Done nothing since leaving Lincoln.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:28:24
Fill yer boots.

Clem meeting Gavin Gunning today to see if he wants it apparently.  ???

Is this a joke?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:29:03
 :pint:


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:30:41
Luke Garrard would be worth a go I reckon. Probably not my first choice but a realistic one.


Title: Re: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:31:44
Fill yer boots.

Clem meeting Gavin Gunning today to see if he wants it apparently.  ???
Never even heard of him before, but looking at Wiki, Mad Gav Gunning has been an assistant coach since July.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:32:23
I reckon they have someone lined up already


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:32:59
I reckon they have someone lined up already

Evans?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:33:14
Is this a joke?

Of course it is.

It is right?!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:33:36
Is this a joke?

Yes, sorry :)

Never even heard of him before, but looking at Wiki, Mad Gav Gunning has been an assistant coach since July.

As above :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:34:39
No joke.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:34:43
I’ll nail my balls that it’s Manning.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:34:59
I’ll nail my balls that it’s Manning.

Bernie?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:35:29
Bernie?

ton Roundabout.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:36:06
I’ll nail my balls that it’s Manning.

Seems a reasonable appointment.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:36:08
ton Roundabout.

 :D


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:36:21
I reckon they have someone lined up already

Must have, its not like they have been caught on the hop as they did to a degree in the summer.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:36:37
Yes, sorry :)

As above :)

Cunt.  :D


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:37:54
I’ll nail my balls that it’s Manning.

Preferred formation 3-4-3


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:39:56
Its Garner


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:41:35
Its Garner

You better be Tans doing Tansy things in the Tansmedia style


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:42:29
Its Garner

That would have a certain comedic value if nothing else....


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:42:39
Maybe do a P'Boro and appoint Phil Brown until the end of the season


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:43:31
Thinking about managers that are instantly available you have;

Kevin Betsy - didn't do so well at Crawley but they were a shambles
Grant McCann - struggled at Posh
Cowley Brothers - experienced campaigners
Sol Campbell - always seems to be linked so why not
Harry Kewell - I noticed him on the bench with Celtic at the weekend and more of a lazy link because of his Australian roots.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:44:46
Its Garner

Given we likely have limited connections within the footballing world, useful ones, it wouldn't be surprising to me if that actually did pan out.  I think I'd live with it for 6 months, but he's done nothing to convince me he is anything other than a high ranking Academy/Football development type of person.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:44:50
Leam wotsisname who did well at Wigan when Sandro was there is presently available.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:45:29
Thinking about managers that are instantly available you have;

Kevin Betsy - didn't do so well at Crawley but they were a shambles
Grant McCann - struggled at Posh
Cowley Brothers - experienced campaigners
Sol Campbell - always seems to be linked so why not
Harry Kewell - I noticed him on the bench with Celtic at the weekend and more of a lazy link because of his Australian roots.


I'd be tempted by Betsy but doesn't strike me as a January get promoted or else signing - him or Manning would make more sense if we were building for next season, but Austin + sacking Lindsey says it's L1 or bust? (not actually bust, hopefully)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:46:23
Leam wotsisname who did well at Wigan when Sandro was there is presently available.

Favourite for the pompey job


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:46:42
I'd be tempted by Betsy but doesn't strike me as a January get promoted or else signing - him or Manning would make more sense if we were building for next season, but Austin + sacking Lindsey says it's L1 or bust? (not actually bust, hopefully)

I had forgotten about Manning, I guess technically Garner is available also but that's unlikely.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:48:06
We need a blow your socks off type appointment to galvanise players and fans straight away - and attract new players

But they got to fit in with Sandro's data led recruitment and stat attack


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:49:05
Leam wotsisname who did well at Wigan when Sandro was there is presently available.

I think, only through guesswork, Sandro (is that a nickname by the way? his name appears to be David) has a connection to Wigan through SkyBet, being a fan, getting into the horses and then David Whealan's Grandson (now at Mansfield as CEO I think).  Not sure he is is an insider so much as a Hospitality Selfie chap through his PR role.  Who knows.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:50:23
Thinking about managers that are instantly available you have;

Kevin Betsy - didn't do so well at Crawley but they were a shambles
Grant McCann - struggled at Posh
Cowley Brothers - experienced campaigners
Sol Campbell - always seems to be linked so why not
Harry Kewell - I noticed him on the bench with Celtic at the weekend and more of a lazy link because of his Australian roots.


Don't particularly fancy any of them, but didn't McCann at least win promotion with Peterborough in one of his stints?

Cowley brothers did well at Lincoln but too negative. Same situation now where you're only happy if we're flying.

Fuck no to the rest.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:50:38
I had forgotten about Manning, I guess technically Garner is available also but that's unlikely.

From Wiki re Manning

Manning favours a high possession, high pressing style of football.

He has a reputation for developing young players, having spent much of his early coaching career working with the academy sides of West Ham United, Ipswich Town and New York City FC. Manning is credited as having contributed to the development of England international Declan Rice.


Sounds like our sort of appointment.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:51:51
From Wiki re Manning

Manning favours a high possession, high pressing style of football.

He has a reputation for developing young players, having spent much of his early coaching career working with the academy sides of West Ham United, Ipswich Town and New York City FC. Manning is credited as having contributed to the development of England international Declan Rice.


Sounds like our sort of appointment.

Yeah minus the high pressing.

Although Lindsey spouted some bollocks about that and fast pace, etc. as did Garner when he signed for Charlton.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:52:05
From Wiki re Manning

Manning favours a high possession, high pressing style of football.

He has a reputation for developing young players, having spent much of his early coaching career working with the academy sides of West Ham United, Ipswich Town and New York City FC. Manning is credited as having contributed to the development of England international Declan Rice.


Sounds like our sort of appointment.
It does


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:52:34
didn't McCann at least win promotion with Peterborough in one of his stints?


Won L1 title with Hull


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:53:28
Won L1 title with Hull

That's what I was thinking of.

Yeah, he's a mixed bag but had had success.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:58:35
Reading up on him, Manning would be the type of person who would fit.  Only really been involved in recruiting a squad once, mostly Academy experience at a high/decent level.  The worry would be whether or not that MK team he did well with was a result of what he took over - were they not coached by Williams as well?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Boy About Town on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:59:08
I’ll nail my balls that it’s Manning.

This is what I am understanding.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:14:06
Just ask Charlie if he knows any decent older coaches looking for a job and let him have a bash as Manager with that person as help (if nobody of real intent is available within our orbit of connections or comes forward).


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:16:46
Just ask Charlie if he knows any decent older coaches looking for a job and let him have a bash as Manager with that person as help (if nobody of real intent is available within our orbit of connections or comes forward).

I know you almost certainly aren't being serious but CA doesn't have his coaching badges. :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:18:31
As much as I welcome CA’s experience in the dressing room and the fact he will most likely bag goals, I’d want him as far away as possible from a managerial role. Think he’s too emotional for it.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:18:43
Manning for me.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:19:10
I know you almost certainly aren't being serious but CA doesn't have his coaching badges. :)

On a similar vein to this it made me smile last week on SM to read so many fans saying that Lindsey was shite as he just didn't have experience as a manager whilst in the next breath suggesting that Austin was the man for the job.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:20:19
I did have a sneaky look to see how well Horlock was doing - maybe not.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:20:51
Is Hazard still driving taxis?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:24:18
I did have a sneaky look to see how well Horlock was doing - maybe not.

Nah I would be as shit at it as I am at FM.  ;)

The one ex player who I have always wondered whether he would roll up here eventually is Luke Garrard who seems to have done OK at Boreham Wood.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:28:27

If you can get them it has to be the Cowley brothers. The timing could be just right as they were only sacked a few days ago, or just too soon if they want a break to recharge their batteries after a difficult time at Pompey.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:29:11
I'd love Kevin Horlock simply because he was one of my favourite players as a kid. Is Mark Walters available as his assistant by any chance?

Complete heart over head that.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:29:48
The one ex player who I have always wondered whether he would roll up here eventually is Luke Garrard who seems to have done OK at Boreham Wood.

Yeah, he is worth a punt in my opinion. Could do a lot worse.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:31:12
Give it a week or so and Lampard will be available.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:31:23
If you can get them it has to be the Cowley brothers. The timing could be just right as they were only sacked a few days ago, or just too soon if they want a break to recharge their batteries after a difficult time at Pompey.

You have to be absolutely joking, or have stumbled into the wrong forum. The Cowleys' brand of football is hideous - it wasn't for nothing that it was accompanied by an air-raid siren when they were at Lincoln. They were hated at Pompey.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:33:10
You have to be absolutely joking, or have stumbled into the wrong forum. The Cowleys' brand of football is hideous - it wasn't for nothing that it was accompanied by an air-raid siren when they were at Lincoln. They were hated at Pompey.

Do you want promotion or not? If you do then it has to be the Cowleys.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:34:00
You have to be absolutely joking, or have stumbled into the wrong forum. The Cowleys' brand of football is hideous - it wasn't for nothing that it was accompanied by an air-raid siren when they were at Lincoln. They were hated at Pompey.

Different kind of football to what we've been playing lately, but its the same in the sense that if you're top and flying you stomach it, if its not then its fucking depressing.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:34:35
Do you want promotion or not? If you do then it has to be the Cowleys.

Lump it forward and battle...with the players we have...er, it's not going to work this season and is incompatible with the higher direction on recruitment.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:37:35
Do you want promotion or not? If you do then it has to be the Cowleys.

Welcome to the TEF. What's your stake in this?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:38:30
Leam wotsisname who did well at Wigan when Sandro was there is presently available.

I looked him up, Wigan sacked him 16 days after handing him a new three year contract. That is seriously impressive work.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:39:56
Has to be Sheena Easton


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:41:03
Has to be Sheena Easton

I notice that Michelle Mone is trending on Twitter, she's got to be worth a punt as a worthy successor to Easton!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:42:43
Cherie Lunghi.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:43:54
Welcome to the TEF. What's your stake in this?

Nothing yet, my money's all on Pompey! I've waved that goodbye!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:47:30
Lump it forward and battle...with the players we have...er, it's not going to work this season and is incompatible with the higher direction on recruitment.
Looking at those stats of us being 24th for tackles, 23rd for interceptions and 22nd for clearances has to be addressed. No more fancy dan, fiddle faddle, boring shitfest football please.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:50:53
Mile Jedinak


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:51:06
Looking at those stats of us being 24th for tackles, 23rd for interceptions and 22nd for clearances has to be addressed. No more fancy dan, fiddle faddle, boring shitfest football please.

Bar Khan, Reed and maybe McDonald, is there anyone in our squad one would back if it came down to a physical battle.. Whatever one desires its a fact that our squad is considerable more fancy dan than tough tackling terrier!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:51:41
Looking at those stats of us being 24th for tackles, 23rd for interceptions and 22nd for clearances has to be addressed. No more fancy dan, fiddle faddle, boring shitfest football please.

Those stats are the logical endpoint of us having the 2nd highest average possession in the league. You won't be making tackles or interceptions if you already have the ball. The team next to us on all these statistics is Leyton Orient, who are top and flying. Our defensive record is broadly fine, we just aren't putting the ball in the opposition net anywhere near often enough.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:54:17
Mile Jedinak

That's an interesting shout! Been coaching with Villa's academy since 2020 and since 2021 has been their loan development coach. Would have have had some input on the KKH loan here I wonder?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:55:09
I bet Orient don’t give up anywhere near as many big chances to the opposition than us.

We offer zero protection for the back 3/4/5.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:57:03
That's an interesting shout! Been coaching with Villa's academy since 2020 and since 2021 has been their loan development coach. Would have have had some input on the KKH loan here I wonder?

Him and Garner were close friends at Palace i think


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:59:17
Bar Khan, Reed and maybe McDonald, is there anyone in our squad one would back if it came down to a physical battle.. Whatever one desires its a fact that our squad is considerable more fancy dan than tough tackling terrier!

Clayton


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 17:01:25
That's an interesting shout! Been coaching with Villa's academy since 2020 and since 2021 has been their loan development coach. Would have have had some input on the KKH loan here I wonder?

Who was our link to Villa when we got the few loans from them?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 17:05:16
Who was our link to Villa when we got the few loans from them?

I think as Tans said that Garner and Jedinak were close friends and that's probably how that link came together.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 17:06:49
I think as Tans said that Garner and Jedinak were close friends and that's probably how that link came together.

Was it as simple as that, I had a vague recollection that Chorley had some involvement albeit I may have made that up in my head!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Boy About Town on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 17:28:01
I am just waiting for the advert to print that Luc Nijholt is interested and willing to discuss.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 17:37:49
That's an interesting shout! Been coaching with Villa's academy since 2020 and since 2021 has been their loan development coach. Would have have had some input on the KKH loan here I wonder?

We only recruit Aussies from now on, or those Aussie adjacent like Austin playing their briefly.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 17:44:50
Paul Trollope, Ian Woan


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 17:45:21
Matthew Etherington...

it's obvious


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: donkey on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:06:55
Fuck that

Done nothing since leaving Lincoln.

Awful football at Lincoln too.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: newmarket red on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:13:30
Fill yer boots.

Clem meeting Gavin Gunning today to see if he wants it apparently.  ???
The tea lady will get a go at this rate.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:23:08
I keep saying it - he’s out of work and left Everton to take up management.

Whilst his record as Everton caretaker manager (very briefly twice) doesn’t yield a fantastic win % Everton always made an improvement when he was their leader, if not technically just because he motivated (scared?) then and got them to play for the shirt - which is what we need more of.

So Duncan Ferguson for me. Not idea what sort of job/wages he’d be holding out for so no idea how realistic a suggest this is.


Would be completely ‘meh’ about another good coach / youth team manager / pass to death type of manager, have enough with the last two. Want some umph


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:34:36
I'm hearing Joe montemurro


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:35:46
Just been on that FB page for a giggle, seems like Sean Dyche is a viable candidate!

As for my thoughts, same as every new managerial search in the last 5/6 years…….give Luke Garrard a go please


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:36:54
 football supporters are not very bright


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RWB Robin on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:41:26
I'm hearing Joe montemurro
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Interesting idea, if you are not having us on...Arsenal Women were very successful under his leadership; and Tom Hartley,  now leading Swindon Women, worked with him.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:41:47
Dean Smith or is he out of reach?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:43:18
I keep saying it - he’s out of work and left Everton to take up management.

Whilst his record as Everton caretaker manager (very briefly twice) doesn’t yield a fantastic win % Everton always made an improvement when he was their leader, if not technically just because he motivated (scared?) then and got them to play for the shirt - which is what we need more of.

So Duncan Ferguson for me. Not idea what sort of job/wages he’d be holding out for so no idea how realistic a suggest this is.


Would be completely ‘meh’ about another good coach / youth team manager / pass to death type of manager, have enough with the last two. Want some umph

More chance of Alex Ferguson.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Trowbridge Red on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:45:47
I’d take Grant McCann or even Liam Manning. Both recently been sacked too


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:46:58
More chance of Alex Ferguson.

Why?

Why is an out of work coach looking to get into management an unrealistic idea?
Plenty of jobs about this season and he’s not taken one of them yet?
Is that because he has chosen not to? Or is that because no ones taken a punt on him?

If it’s the latter (and I have no idea if it is or not) then why not?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:48:23
The tea lady will get a go at this rate.

With Clem or Gunning?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:59:34
Why?

Why is an out of work coach looking to get into management an unrealistic idea?
Plenty of jobs about this season and he’s not taken one of them yet?
Is that because he has chosen not to? Or is that because no ones taken a punt on him?

If it’s the latter (and I have no idea if it is or not) then why not?

Can’t tell if your being serious or not. Everton job probably gonna be available in a week, I’d say he’s looking at that and will be in running for that.

Doubt he’s looking at a tinpot outfit like us, in the basement of English football.

Cracks me up that there’s people on here that genuinely believe we can attract the likes of Carrick, Mason, Ferguson etc in our current form 😂


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:22:48
May completely fail but maybe this is time to go for Caddis with Peacock number 2? The club needs an injection of passion and connection, caddis and peacock have done their coaching badges and I can’t see them taking any shit. Give them a go, I’d rather that than a passionless academy manager again


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: bathford on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:25:02
May completely fail but maybe this is time to go for Caddis with Peacock number 2? The club needs an injection of passion and connection, caddis and peacock have done their coaching badges and I can’t see them taking any shit. Give them a go, I’d rather that than a passionless academy manager again

I like it!  👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:25:26
May completely fail but maybe this is time to go for Caddis with Peacock number 2? The club needs an injection of passion and connection, caddis and peacock have done their coaching badges and I can’t see them taking any shit. Give them a go, I’d rather that than a passionless academy manager again
It’s not about ‘passion’ or ‘connection’ it’s about having the best person for the job. I don’t get the constant desire for people to get the job based on nothing more than sentiment.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:27:14
May completely fail but maybe this is time to go for Caddis with Peacock number 2? The club needs an injection of passion and connection, caddis and peacock have done their coaching badges and I can’t see them taking any shit. Give them a go, I’d rather that than a passionless academy manager again

Please god no,
What is it with our fans obsessions with ex players. I seen TSTBL are playing the Caddis card on Twitter.

Someone with absolutely no connection with the club would be my preference, I want someone to come in and win football matches, I couldn’t give a shit if they are a nice bloke, clap the fans or have any passion.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:31:38
It’s not about ‘passion’ or ‘connection’ it’s about having the best person for the job. I don’t get the constant desire for people to get the job based on nothing more than sentiment.

The fact I want to be entertained, academy managers bring academy football. The football last year was boring but got results, this year it’s even more boring and not getting as many results. I don’t want us to play boring slow football. I want us to play with intensity, determination and excitement. Do I think a former player would be more likely to bring that, as well as exciting a completely dull and flat home crowd, yes. Williams, garner and Lindsey have all been so dull to watch - time to try something different.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: dogs on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:32:42
If we want out of the league at all costs, call the best belly wobble of the orchestra and get fatty Evans in


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:37:13
 What is the obsession with passion and what does that even mean ?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:39:32
The fact I want to be entertained, academy managers bring academy football. The football last year was boring but got results, this year it’s even more boring and not getting as many results. I don’t want us to play boring slow football. I want us to play with intensity, determination and excitement. Do I think a former player would be more likely to bring that, as well as exciting a completely dull and flat home crowd, yes. Williams, garner and Lindsey have all been so dull to watch - time to try something different.
Caddis consistently used to turn up to preseason overweight and out of shape, hardly the glowing an example of discipline a manager should be. Also Caddis is an academy coach at Fleetwood so you’ve undermined the whole argument with the first sentence.  Historical links to the club is irrelevant, decisions based on sentiment usually backfire!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:42:17
I really hope we have somebody lined up. Hopefully this whole scenario has been a mutual agreement that benefits all parties and has been in the pipeline a while.

If for whatever reason this is completely out of the blue, I don't have a huge amount of faith in Clem and Sandro to go through the recruitment process again. God forbid one of our current coaching staff get the job until the end of the season. They can't be that stupid surely?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:44:00
Can’t tell if your being serious or not. Everton job probably gonna be available in a week, I’d say he’s looking at that and will be in running for that.

Doubt he’s looking at a tinpot outfit like us, in the basement of English football.

Cracks me up that there’s people on here that genuinely believe we can attract the likes of Carrick, Mason, Ferguson etc in our current form 😂

If Everton were going to appoint Ferguson they’d have done it by now. Probably before Benitez.
If he felt they were going to give him the job at some point he’d have stayed there as #2.

Do I expect him to spend a few years on the lower leagues and eventually go back there, yes

…but…the fact he chose to leave means he’s thinking about working else where (or not working at all)

No more unrealistic than appointing Paolo Di Canio.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:46:04
If Everton were going to appoint Ferguson they’d have done it by now. Probably before Benitez.
If he felt they were going to give him the job at some point he’d have stayed there as #2.

Sounds like us and Nijholt.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:47:06
Some could argue Sheridan was very passionate - shit, but passionate, a cunt but passionate.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:49:44
Passionate about Oldham perhaps


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:50:46
 what's Shaun Taylor up to at the moment ?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:51:36
what's Shaun Taylor up to at the moment ?

I imagine him retired at home on the South Coast, hammering fence posts in, for his garden remodel, with his head.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:52:27
:D


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 19:53:42
Some could argue Sheridan was very passionate - shit, but passionate, a cunt but passionate.

No he was just a cunt.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:07:34
I'm hearing Joe montemurro
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Interesting idea, if you are not having us on...Arsenal Women were very successful under his leadership; and Tom Hartley,  now leading Swindon Women, worked with him.

Just what I'm hearing, he's an Aussie too


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:18:49
Wouldn't mind Colin Calderwood, I think he's assistant at Northampton at the moment, so he may fancy being the big dog at again


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:21:26
 If we want to go for young guns who are Swindon to the core, maybe go for pierce sweeney and Kieron Freeman as a player manager duo


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:27:43
Just what I'm hearing, he's an Aussie too

Genuinely hearing or just hearing based on their both Aussies so there must be a link there.

Going forward, considering how many well paid coaching position there are at the bigger clubs (hence the whole Crofts staying at Brighton thing) and a lot more media / punditry work available for the ex pros maybe the women’s game is the place to look?

I imagine the women’s game is still at the stage where a L2 managers job would be more beneficial financially than managing a women’s team probably with more media exposure and a more sturdy stepping stone.

Not adverse to the idea tbh.

Anything but another academy coach.
Want someone whose prior experience in football involved results mattering


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:29:23
He's the manager of Juventus women, I'd be surprised if that isn't a higher paid job than STFC. There's no depth in the professional women's game, but there's money around at the top. It's certainly a job which feels like it'll be much higher paid than STFC in five years time!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:36:19
He's the manager of Juventus women, I'd be surprised if that isn't a higher paid job than STFC. There's no depth in the professional women's game, but there's money around at the top. It's certainly a job which feels like it'll be much higher paid than STFC in five years time!

Perhaps you are right but for arguments sake.
If he (or anyone else from the women’s game) can in (to any FL club) and did well enough - in 5 years time they could be managing in Premier League - which would obviously be more lucrative.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:37:18
If we want to go for young guns who are Swindon to the core, maybe go for pierce sweeney and Kieron Freeman as a player manager duo

Both tick the 'experience right back' box too. Think you're onto a winner here.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:40:02
Both tick the 'experience right back' box too. Think you're onto a winner here.

Milan Missing as coach!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: newmarket red on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:49:11
Dave mitchell the bearded wonder.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 21:03:09
He's the manager of Juventus women, I'd be surprised if that isn't a higher paid job than STFC. There's no depth in the professional women's game, but there's money around at the top. It's certainly a job which feels like it'll be much higher paid than STFC in five years time!

You would be surprised. Most players even at the top clubs top out at £75k or so. So the gap between salaries at top WSL clubs and Juves women's team and ours might not be so huge.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: dogs on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 21:13:23
You would be surprised. Most players even at the top clubs top out at £75k or so. So the gap between salaries at top WSL clubs and Juves women's team and ours might not be so huge.

He's way off. The money in womens' football is atrocious, even the wider coaching staff who are at men's Prem clubs, top sides like man City included, is surprisingly low compared to the huge sums first team coaches earn and then first team assistants as such. That comparison runs throughout the divisions.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 21:36:47
I think the real.problem for him would be expectations and culture shock. He's used to top class facilities and winning week in week out. Trophies almost every season and a win percentage of 75% plus for the last 7 years.

I guess he might fancy a challenge but League 2 away to Newport County in February is likely to be a bit of a come down.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 21:42:02
im pleased he's gone purely down to what we have watched this season and the clubs ambitions to get out this league.

i see no benefit in change if we go down the inexperienced route- i know managers all need to start somewhere but I don't want us to be the experiment. we have to get promotion and in that sense it is unnecessary pressure that both we and they could do with out.

lindsey last season would have been ok-ish. low expectation etc

to go from a former Chatham Town manager to a former swindon player with no management experience would just be square 1 to square 1.

doesn't have to be experienced football league management but someone with good pedigree even with youth premier league teams. the contacts can be vital at this level

at least we can go into the rest of the season with a bit more hope


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 21:47:51
Awful football at Lincoln too.

Incredibly successful football at Lincoln too. You'll struggle to find many Imps supporters with a bad word to say about the Cowleys.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 21:59:43
football supporters are not very bright

Having followed football for sixty years I'd have to agree; and seeing some of the suggestions for the job and dismissal of proven winners on this thread just reinforces that opinion.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:01:45
I’m surprised that no one has talked about Gladwin.

He seems to speak very well and has been referred to as a coach on the pitch.

I think he is coming to the end of his playing career and may have been attracted back here with half an eye on the future.

Not saying it’s what I would want, but thought the name might come up.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:09:50
im pleased he's gone purely down to what we have watched this season and the clubs ambitions to get out this league.

i see no benefit in change if we go down the inexperienced route- i know managers all need to start somewhere but I don't want us to be the experiment. we have to get promotion and in that sense it is unnecessary pressure that both we and they could do with out.

lindsey last season would have been ok-ish. low expectation etc

to go from a former Chatham Town manager to a former swindon player with no management experience would just be square 1 to square 1.

doesn't have to be experienced football league management but someone with good pedigree even with youth premier league teams. the contacts can be vital at this level

at least we can go into the rest of the season with a bit more hope

I don’t think experience is the issue as such.
It’s the experience of having to win football matches.
So for example academy coaches don’t really have but let’s say for arguments sake someone like Paul Caddis does (not my suggestion at all fwiw) sure it’s not management experience and on that front he might be totally clueless but I want someone who knows how to win, whose been on situations where they had to win.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:13:44
I’m surprised that no one has talked about Gladwin.

He seems to speak very well and has been referred to as a coach on the pitch.

I think he is coming to the end of his playing career and may have been attracted back here with half an eye on the future.

Not saying it’s what I would want, but thought the name might come up.

He is only 30. Very young to make that change while still playing.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:13:46
Having followed football for sixty years I'd have to agree; and seeing some of the suggestions for the job and dismissal of proven winners on this thread just reinforces that opinion.



People disagree with your opinion, so they’re thick. What a stunning introduction to the forum, cunt.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:13:52
It wouldn't surprise me if Marty Taylor was considered.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:20:12
Great Scott!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:22:03
Has Mark Delaney turned up anywhere after leaving Villa in the summer?
He was a name mentioned in the summer.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:23:17
Great Scott!

Umm, no

Not very good at all Scott.

That’s why we are looking for a new manager duh!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:24:24
No more unrealistic than appointing Paolo Di Canio.
A polite reminder that Paolo was on £750k pa and our next manager will not be, nor will he have a championship playing budget.

We may get a name but I suspect it will be one we haven't heard of.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:24:42
Wasn't money the issue with Delaney when he was rumoured to one of the favourites.


Title: Re: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:28:49
Has Mark Delaney turned up anywhere after leaving Villa in the summer?
He was a name mentioned in the summer.
That's a name from the past, really rated him as a player at Villa.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:29:12
Disappointed that there has not yet been any mention of Danny invincible


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:33:37
Quite a PR stunt lined up for the Grimsby game with a new manager and Charlie's homecoming which should boost the numbers through the turnstiles😀


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:34:26
Great Scott!
Keith Scott ?.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:53:56
It wouldn't surprise me if Marty Taylor was considered.

I reckon this thread will see things happen when we hit 88mph.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:57:12
we can get a sports almanac from the past and bring it to the future

(1 poster may get this)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 22:59:58
we can get a sports almanac from the past and bring it to the future

(1 poster may get this)
Make sure there are two coats of polish!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 23:02:05
we can get a sports almanac from the past and bring it to the future

(1 poster may get this)

I certainly don’t.
Why is it the wrong way?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 23:15:52
I genuinely can't tell what names are people taking the piss and what aren't anymore. I think I'd rather have Sheena Easton than some of the suggestions that seem to be serious.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 06:25:35
we can get a sports almanac from the past and bring it to the future

(1 poster may get this)

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: classic TEF moment


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Friday, January 6, 2023, 06:38:44
I certainly don’t.
Why is it the wrong way?

You need to take it from the future to the past, if it's to be any use. Or maybe Bernie just liked old stats books. I loved my Rothman's 81/82 football annual that I bought for about 20p in the late 80's, so you never know!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 07:48:18
Quote from: DiV
Why is it the wrong way?

exactly :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:16:55
The fact I want to be entertained, academy managers bring academy football. The football last year was boring but got results, this year it’s even more boring and not getting as many results. I don’t want us to play boring slow football. I want us to play with intensity, determination and excitement. Do I think a former player would be more likely to bring that, as well as exciting a completely dull and flat home crowd, yes. Williams, garner and Lindsey have all been so dull to watch - time to try something different.

I'm never totally convinced of going down the ex-player route. Yes I get the initial shot in the arm re the fanbase and that they are likely to get more support from the fans, but I think back to when we've done it before - Jimmy Quinn and Iffy Onuara - and they are hardly golden times. Yes they were a while ago and football has changed since then but I'm sceptical going down this route ends well.

A name I don't think that has been mentioned on here I saw on the FB page was Mark Warburton. I know his stock has fallen since he stuttered in the Rangers job and he's first team coach at West Ham so is probably happy where he is but there are some interesting snippets about his life that might work alongside Sandro.

* Used to be a trader in both London and the US. So not afraid of a gamble
* He helped form the NextGen series in 2010 which is an under 19 cup competition. Clearly has an eye on talented young players.
* I would imagine he has good contacts in the game.

Similarly to the Duncan Ferguson shout, I imagine the gap between being a first team coach at a Premier League club and a manager in league 2 is cavernous. 


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:19:52
He would definitely be the strong personality type and wasn't he manager at QPR when Austin was there!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:21:35
I'm never totally convinced of going down the ex-player route. Yes I get the initial shot in the arm re the fanbase and that they are likely to get more support from the fans, but I think back to when we've done it before - Jimmy Quinn and Iffy Onuara - and they are hardly golden times. Yes they were a while ago and football has changed since then but I'm sceptical going down this route ends well.

A name I don't think that has been mentioned on here I saw on the FB page was Mark Warburton. I know his stock has fallen since he stuttered in the Rangers job and he's first team coach at West Ham so is probably happy where he is but there are some interesting snippets about his life that might work alongside Sandro.

* Used to be a trader in both London and the US. So not afraid of a gamble
* He helped form the NextGen series in 2010 which is an under 19 cup competition. Clearly has an eye on talented young players.
* I would imagine he has good contacts in the game.

Similarly to the Duncan Ferguson shout, I imagine the gap between being a first team coach at a Premier League club and a manager in league 2 is cavernous. 
Didn’t Garner bridge that gap? I’ve tried to blank his tenure so not sure.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:26:10
People disagree with your opinion, so they’re thick. What a stunning introduction to the forum, cunt.

I don't think "not very bright", which was the phrase Steak supper posted and I agreed with, is quite the same as "thick". Perhaps a better term would be "not very well informed".

I'm amazed you can get away with your language on any football message-board by the way. But I wish you well and hope your owners make the right choice.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Power to people on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:31:05
I don't think "not very bright", which was the phrase Steak supper posted and I agreed with, is quite the same as "thick". Perhaps a better term would be "not very well informed".

I'm amazed you can get away with your language on any football message-board by the way. But I wish you well and hope your owners make the right choice.

Its a term of endearment that every new poster has said to them - don't be offended


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:34:07
I'm never totally convinced of going down the ex-player route. Yes I get the initial shot in the arm re the fanbase and that they are likely to get more support from the fans, but I think back to when we've done it before - Jimmy Quinn and Iffy Onuara - and they are hardly golden times. Yes they were a while ago and football has changed since then but I'm sceptical going down this route ends well.

A name I don't think that has been mentioned on here I saw on the FB page was Mark Warburton. I know his stock has fallen since he stuttered in the Rangers job and he's first team coach at West Ham so is probably happy where he is but there are some interesting snippets about his life that might work alongside Sandro.

* Used to be a trader in both London and the US. So not afraid of a gamble
* He helped form the NextGen series in 2010 which is an under 19 cup competition. Clearly has an eye on talented young players.
* I would imagine he has good contacts in the game.

Similarly to the Duncan Ferguson shout, I imagine the gap between being a first team coach at a Premier League club and a manager in league 2 is cavernous. 

Duncan Ferguson is out of work currently (although your point still stands)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:44:47
Its a term of endearment that every new poster has said to them - don't be offended

I'm not, at my age it takes a lot to do so. On my club's message-board  the welcome is a f... o...!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:54:58
I'm not, at my age it takes a lot to do so. On my club's message-board  the welcome is a f... o...!

It's not a particularly harmful thing or anything, but why have you signed up to a Swindon message board as a Sunderland (I assume) fan to advocate for the Cowleys when they have no link to Sunderland and you seemingly have no link to us or Lincoln? Just a bit unusual.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:55:09
I'm not, at my age it takes a lot to do so. On my club's message-board  the welcome is a f... o...!

Sorry if I am being thick but your user name suggests you are a Sunderland fan, however from what you have written previously, you could also be a fan of Lincoln or Pompey?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:58:19
It's not a particularly harmful thing or anything, but why have you signed up to a Swindon message board as a Sunderland (I assume) fan to advocate for the Cowleys when they have no link to Sunderland and you seemingly have no link to ours or Lincoln? Just a bit unusual.

Sorry if I am being thick but your user name suggests you are a Sunderland fan, however from what you have written previously, you could also be a fan of Lincoln or Pompey?

Glad its not just me whose head is beginning to hurt....  ::)

I'm coming to the conclusion its a fan of attention.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:03:42
Fans from other clubs should be welcomed. Even that Oxford (spits) fan that posts regularly is a good egg. I signed up to the Bradford forum during the Doyle saga and they were very welcoming. Dukey, I think, posts regularly on the Sunderland forum.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:08:31
I don't think "not very bright", which was the phrase Steak supper posted and I agreed with, is quite the same as "thick". Perhaps a better term would be "not very well informed".

I'm amazed you can get away with your language on any football message-board by the way. But I wish you well and hope your owners make the right choice.

The mods round here are right cunts. Proper bellends.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:10:14
I imagine him retired at home on the South Coast, hammering fence posts in, for his garden remodel, with his head.
He runs a very successful football academy in Devon not far from me. he has also been head of Plymouth and Torquays academies in the last 10 years.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:14:26
we can get a sports almanac from the past and bring it to the future

(1 poster may get this)
We may have an average points count of 1.21 ppgigawatts.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:14:37
Fans from other clubs should be welcomed. Even that Oxford (spits) fan that posts regularly is a good egg. I signed up to the Bradford forum during the Doyle saga and they were very welcoming. Dukey, I think, posts regularly on the Sunderland forum.

Jimmy on OTIB  ;)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:14:59
It's not a particularly harmful thing or anything, but why have you signed up to a Swindon message board as a Sunderland (I assume) fan to advocate for the Cowleys when they have no link to Sunderland and you seemingly have no link to ours or Lincoln? Just a bit unusual.

I'm a big admirer of the brothers. I started to take notice of their achievements when they left Braintree to go to Lincoln.
I'm a football bettor. I backed Lincoln ante-post for each of the brothers' three full seasons there and made a lot of money. I thought Portsmouth was a very good fit for them and backed them heavily ante-post last season and this. I lost a lot of money.
Their failure at Pompey has been both a surprise and, obviously, a disappointment to me. But I haven't lost my faith in the Cowleys, nor my belief that they would be a great appointment for any side in League Two. I thought Gillingham might be an option but yesterday's appointments of Hesenthaler and Jackett as Director of Football and Head of Recruitment seem to make Harris's position safe.
Then the news of Lindsey broke. Swindon Town is a bigger club than Gillingham and one of the biggest in League Two. The Cowleys committed to Portsmouth by moving their families there. They don't want to disrupt their children's education for the next couple of years. Portsmouth to Swindon is apparently not an impossibly long journey if they were to commute daily.. Two years ago I don't think the Swindon job would have appealed to them but I think it might now.
I think yours is the perfect club for the brothers to reboot their careers at and I believe they could give you some wonderful times as supporters. It goes without saying that if they did get the job I'd be putting my money where my mouth is.
I remember when you were robbed of your promotion to the top-flight. I didn't go to the play-off final but I recall my pal saying it was 1-0 but should have been ten.
One final and important point; you are now in safe hands financially aren't you? Lee Power no longer has anything to do with you has he?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:15:07
exactly :)

Who said it?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:15:25
Fans from other clubs should be welcomed. Even that Oxford (spits) fan that posts regularly is a good egg. I signed up to the Bradford forum during the Doyle saga and they were very welcoming. Dukey, I think, posts regularly on the Sunderland forum.

Of course they should. From memory we had a very odd Preston North End fan sign up here (called Thor or something) and when we played Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday back in the day, loads of their fans would sign up just to tell us how many of their fans would be travelling down. I imagine they would have got a LOT of interaction with Jimmy had he been around on this forum those days :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:16:11
Similarly to the Duncan Ferguson shout, I imagine the gap between being a first team coach at a Premier League club and a manager in league 2 is cavernous. 
Hmmm probably not.

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/01/04/everton-shareholder-makes-duncan-ferguson-admission-as-frank-lampard-nears-sack/


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:17:56
The mods round here are right cunts. Proper bellends.
To a man.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:18:25
Of course they should. From memory we had a very odd Preston North End fan sign up here (called Thor or something) and when we played Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday back in the day, loads of their fans would sign up just to tell us how many of their fans would be travelling down. I imagine they would have got a LOT of interaction with Jimmy had he been around on this forum those days :)

And Tom Punt the shitty fan, although I think his name was changed  ;D


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:19:23
I'm a big admirer of the brothers.
Welcome to the forum Mr Cowley :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:21:26
Of course they should. From memory we had a very odd Preston North End fan sign up here (called Thor or something) and when we played Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday back in the day, loads of their fans would sign up just to tell us how many of their fans would be travelling down. I imagine they would have got a LOT of interaction with Jimmy had he been around on this forum those days :)
Thor was mentally disturbed and it was wrong to abuse someone with such a blatant mental illness, like shooting fish in the barrel. Even the Preston fans were aware on their forum of his "noetic shortcomings". :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:23:30
I'm a big admirer of the brothers. I started to take notice of their achievements when they left Braintree to go to Lincoln.
I'm a football bettor. I backed Lincoln ante-post for each of the brothers' three full seasons there and made a lot of money. I thought Portsmouth was a very good fit for them and backed them heavily ante-post last season and this. I lost a lot of money.
Their failure at Pompey has been both a surprise and, obviously, a disappointment to me. But I haven't lost my faith in the Cowleys, nor my belief that they would be a great appointment for any side in League Two. I thought Gillingham might be an option but yesterday's appointments of Hesenthaler and Jackett as Director of Football and Head of Recruitment seem to make Harris's position safe.
Then the news of Lindsey broke. Swindon Town is a bigger club than Gillingham and one of the biggest in League Two. The Cowleys committed to Portsmouth by moving their families there. They don't want to disrupt their children's education for the next couple of years. Portsmouth to Swindon is apparently not an impossibly long journey if they were to commute daily.. Two years ago I don't think the Swindon job would have appealed to them but I think it might now.
I think yours is the perfect club for the brothers to reboot their careers at and I believe they could give you some wonderful times as supporters. It goes without saying that if they did get the job I'd be putting my money where my mouth is.
I remember when you were robbed of your promotion to the top-flight. I didn't go to the play-off final but I recall my pal saying it was 1-0 but should have been ten.
One final and important point; you are now in safe hands financially aren't you? Lee Power no longer has anything to do with you has he?
Glad to say we are Power-less now. There’s still an ongoing court case between him and Standing as to whom owed what and that has also morphed into the club presently waiting on the result of an FA charge of Standung’s financial involvement with us when he was a football agent - which is against FA rules.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:25:06
Sorry if I am being thick but your user name suggests you are a Sunderland fan, however from what you have written previously, you could also be a fan of Lincoln or Pompey?

I started supporting Sunderland in 1962. My first memory is of us blowing promotion on the final day away to Swansea Town.
Over the last thirty years my interest in my club has lessened as my football betting has become such a big part of my life.
So you could say I become a fan of whichever team my money is on but not a true fan in the purest sense.  


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:26:59
I think yours is the perfect club for the brothers to reboot their careers at and I believe they could give you some wonderful times as supporters. It goes without saying that if they did get the job I'd be putting my money where my mouth is.

Would you not be a bit concerned that our squad wouldn't suit the Cowley's typical playing style? We have essentially nobody who can play in the front three over about 5' 9 (one striker, but he's looked very bad to date). Obviously the window is open, but it would need some fairly significant surgery. Seems like it would be a concern before placing any money on us soaring!

I remember when you were robbed of your promotion to the top-flight. I didn't go to the play-off final but I recall my pal saying it was 1-0 but should have been ten.
One final and important point; you are now in safe hands financially aren't you? Lee Power no longer has anything to do with you has he?

Power is gone. New leadership in place, finances are stable but our budget is not believed to be exceptional for the division or anything.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:27:53
Thor was mentally disturbed and it was wrong to abuse someone with such a blatant mental illness, like shooting fish in the barrel. Even the Preston fans were aware on their forum of his "noetic shortcomings". :)

I wasn't aware of that - I thought he was just a 'troll'

I started supporting Sunderland in 1962. My first memory is of us blowing promotion on the final day away to Swansea Town.
Over the last thirty years my interest in my club has lessened as my football betting has become such a big part of my life.
So you could say I become a fan of whichever team my money is on but not a true fan in the purest sense. 

Ah that makes sense then. Welcome to the forum. :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:28:42
Welcome to the forum Mr Cowley :)

You'd think they'd be more Professionals.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:30:19
Over the last thirty years my interest in my club has lessened as my football betting has become such a big part of my life.

Er, don't bet on Swindon to do anything that's a "sure thing". HTH


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Berniman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:30:58
we can get a sports almanac from the past and bring it to the future

(1 poster may get this)

Fuck you Batch, fuck you.. :)

One mistaken early hours drunken post from 15 years ago and it never gets forgotten - at least I didn't share my internet browsing history.  And at least it brings SiPi out of forum retirement every few years to let us know he is still alive :D

Now everyone can just take some advice from Elsa and Let it the fuck go..


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:31:56
You'd think they'd be more Professionals.
Only if we still had Doyle up front?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:33:20
Sorry Bernie, if you found all my stupid posts you could have another forum category!

That one sort of stuck in the mind for some reason...


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:34:02
Only if we still had Doyle up front?

Yeah, but he's gone. Maybe signing Austin Bodies well.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:34:58
BTW I assume I am not the only one who got a Twitter notification from what I read as Swindon Town FC last night, the only bit of text showing on the notification being 'Club Vacancies' in my couple of glasses of red imbibed mind I thought' fucking hell they are advertising the managers job on twitter' was only a while after I realised it was actually a tweet from Swindon Town WFC after a Sports Scientist and Strength and Conditioning Coach

 ::)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:36:21
Would you not be a bit concerned that our squad wouldn't suit the Cowley's typical playing style? We have essentially nobody who can play in the front three over about 5' 9 (one striker, but he's looked very bad to date). Obviously the window is open, but it would need some fairly significant surgery. Seems like it would be a concern before placing any money on us soaring!

Power is gone. New leadership in place, finances are stable but our budget is not believed to be exceptional for the division or anything.

I think the Cowleys can adapt their style to suit the players available in the short-term. I'm sure that being competitive without being exceptional financially would be fine. I've seen other managers go into clubs and have the financial rug pulled from under their feet within weeks. That is what any manager should be wary of.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:36:36
BTW I assume I am not the only one who got a Twitter notification from what I read as Swindon Town FC last night, the only bit of text showing on the notification being 'Club Vacancies' in my couple of glasses of red imbibed mind I thought' fucking hell they are advertising the managers job on twitter' was only a while after I realised it was actually a tweet from Swindon Town WFC

 ::)

Nope!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:37:22
Yeah, but he's gone. Maybe signing Austin Bodies well.
This Bodies? One of my fav Pistols tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzFFtBsl5ps


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:39:16
No, this one

https://youtu.be/xBsmB5FiPQw


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:42:23
I think the Cowleys can adapt their style to suit the players available in the short-term. I'm sure that being competitive without being exceptional financially would be fine. I've seen other managers go into clubs and have the financial rug pulled from under their feet within weeks. That is what any manager should be wary of.



Not sure they have shown any evidence at any club to date of being able to adapt their style. Reading what the Pompey fans were sayings all sounds very familiar, couldn't win at home, made shite opposition teams look brilliant, lost the dressing room, fans liked them as people but wanted them out.

It would just be signing up for more of the same if they came here.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Berniman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:58:27
Sorry Bernie, if you found all my stupid posts you could have another forum category!

That one sort of stuck in the mind for some reason...

I can think of numerous posters that have had way more stupid posts than me :D Like I said, if that is the worst post that anyone can slap me with every few years, then I can live with that - others have done far worse..  Alcohol eh?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, January 6, 2023, 10:58:32
Would be amazed if we'd pay enough to attract Cowley, we're not good payers which is why everyone jumps ship at the first opportunity.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Berniman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:00:56
I think the Cowleys can adapt their style to suit the players available in the short-term. I'm sure that being competitive without being exceptional financially would be fine. I've seen other managers go into clubs and have the financial rug pulled from under their feet within weeks. That is what any manager should be wary of.



You are starting to sound more like the Cowley's agent than DV is with Duncan Ferguson now..


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:02:14
I can think of numerous posters that have had way more stupid posts than me :D Like I said, if that is the worst post that anyone can slap me with every few years, then I can live with that - others have done far worse..  Alcohol eh?

It was the back to the future references that did it.
I didn't name you :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Berniman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:04:13
It was the back to the future references that did it.
I didn't name you :)

You knew what you were doing.. :D and it was a good cast :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:04:47
:fishing:


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:07:10
I started supporting Sunderland in 1962. My first memory is of us blowing promotion on the final day away to Swansea Town.
Over the last thirty years my interest in my club has lessened as my football betting has become such a big part of my life.
So you could say I become a fan of whichever team my money is on but not a true fan in the purest sense.  

i mean this is potentially more interesting than random manager names and possibly one of the strangest things i have read on this 80% bollocks forum.

surely the only way you would ever make money in the lower league betting is to close your eyes and pick. there seems to be no set method to success, teams have appointed high profile managers, spent a lot of money, recruited well and then you still get the likes of stevenage and carlisle near the top of the league.

to say you would bet on us to do well if the cowleys took over without knowing our squad, performances and set up is pretty crazy. to follow a manager you would surely miss as much as you hit as you previously suggested. a manager to work somewhere is so hit and miss.

You have wellens of Oldham, Doncaster and Salford then you have wellens of Swindon and Leyton Orient.

You have Eddie Howe of Burnley then you have eddie howe of Bournemouth and Newcastle.

It takes a random fit for it to work and my top tip for you would be to keep it in your pocket


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:19:52
Some managers fit clubs and some clubs fit managers.

Macari at Swindon vs Macari at Stoke and West Ham, Ardiles at Swindon vs Ardiles at Newcastle, Hoddle at Swindon vs Hoddle at Chelsea and Spurs.

Conversely

Colin Todd at Bolton vs Todd at Swindon, Dave Mackay at Derby vs Mackay at Swindon. Roy Evans at Liverpool vs Evans at Swindon.

Sometimes the club and players just click with a manager.

TBF With Wellens you could even say Wellens of 19/20 vs Wellens of 20/21.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:23:36
Would be amazed if we'd pay enough to attract Cowley, we're not good payers which is why everyone jumps ship at the first opportunity.

It's a matter of timing. I don't know whether the brothers want a break to recharge their batteries or to get back in the game straight away. I think the contracts they had at Huddersfield would have been for life-changing amounts, more than I'd imagine they were getting at Pompey.

I think they could be attracted by the opportunity to manage Swindon Town, unless the pay was ridiculously small. I always believe it's important to go to the right club at the right time. If you were in The Championship you'd be a much less attractive proposition than you are battling for a play-off place in League Two. In The Championship a manager would have to do well to keep you there. In League Two do equally well and you'd be promoted this season or win the title next.

The Cowleys need to restore their reputations. Big money, big club offers are probably not going to be available now. Take Swindon up this season or next and have you challenging for the play-offs in League One and they would be on the radar for better paid posts. They might like it so much at Swindon that they don't move on till you're in The Championship but if they jump ship having taken you to the upper reaches of League One everybody wins.

Apart from anything else football people cannot be out of the game too long. I was a huge admirer of Paolo Di Canio during his short period at The SOL. I was in a small minority but some of us were bitterly disappointed that black Sunday Short fired him. He's never had another chance and it will be ten years this year since he left Sunderland. I don't think the Cowleys can afford from a career point of view to wait for another job as big as Pompey; and they'd want to have a long look at what was going on behind the scenes there if they were.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:28:32
The problem with the Cowleys is just that. You get both but not for the price of 1. All well and good being a ‘team’ but it just means more staff to pay off.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:28:59
Jeez! Enough already.  I am not sure you will find gainful employment for your clients via the Town End forum.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:30:37
Some managers fit clubs and some clubs fit managers.

Macari at Swindon vs Macari at Stoke and West Ham, Ardiles at Swindon vs Ardiles at Newcastle, Hoddle at Swindon vs Hoddle at Chelsea and Spurs.
Macari was a success at Stoke, certainly first time around. And Hoddle didn't have a bad record at Chelsea either, only leaving to take the England job.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:31:58
Nathan Jones showing for the second time how difficult it is stepping up to be boss of a big club (compared to Luton, anyway).


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:35:26
Macari was a success at Stoke, certainly first time around. And Hoddle didn't have a bad record at Chelsea either, only leaving to take the England job.
Hoddle had a win % of just 33% at Chelsea, yes Lou did wlel first time round at Stoke but awful 2nd time and awful at Birmingham and Celtic and not great at Huddersfield too.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:35:47
Nathan Jones showing for the second time how difficult it is stepping up to be boss of a big club (compared to Luton, anyway).

luton not exactly missing him either


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:36:49
luton not exactly missing him either
Partly because he built a good squad there, seems out of his depth at bigger clubs though for sure.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:39:42
Ah, if you are going to be serious about this Rokerite...

I don't think the Cowley bros are a fit for what we are trying to do.

As far as I understand it, the current direction is to get in younger players who we believe we can develop with a few sold at the right time - to keep the lights on.

It appears we wish to be a passing, possession based team - based on comments from the sporting director - as this puts them into the shop window better. That's not to say I personally believe we aren't trying to get promoted as a priority over this.

We have gone more heavily, or at least more publicly, into stats based recruiting to try and identify the players to recruit. The manager having input from that list.

Would the Cowley bros buy into that?  My opinion is
- Its too restrictive and somewhat against the style they employed at other clubs.
- We've recruited for our possession based style (with varying degrees of success).
- We aren't going to have oodles of January budget to change things.

Now some counters to that
- I don't know if the recruitment model will be persisted
- I don't really know the "Cowley bros way" in any depth

I'm not saying they couldn't be successful. I'm not sure we are set up right now to utilise them.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:42:24
Ah, if you are going to be serious about this Rokerite...

I don't think the Cowley bros are a fit for what we are trying to do.

As far as I understand it, the current direction is to get in younger players who we believe we can develop with a few sold at the right time - to keep the lights on.

It appears we wish to be a passing, possession based team - based on comments from the sporting director - as this puts them into the shop window better. That's not to say I personally believe we aren't trying to get promoted as a priority over this.

We have gone more heavily, or at least more publicly, into stats based recruiting to try and identify the players to recruit. The manager having input from that list.

Would the Cowley bros buy into that?  My opinion is
- Its too restrictive and somewhat against the style they employed at other clubs.
- We've recruited for our possession based style (with varying degrees of success).
- We aren't going to have oodles of January budget to change things.

Now some counters to that
- I don't know if the recruitment model will be persisted
- I don't really know the "Cowley bros way" in any depth

I'm not saying they couldn't be successful. I'm not sure we are set up right now to utilise them.
100%.

At Pompey and Lincoln they bought big, strong, experienced players at the expense of younger players and prefer to play a non possession based direct style of football, everything our current set up is against.

Also all irrelevant anyway as we wouldn;t pay the sort of wages that the "team" would want I am certain, out of work or not.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 11:43:58
That’s good enough for me! Get them in!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, January 6, 2023, 12:04:11
Hoddle had a win % of just 33% at Chelsea, yes Lou did wlel first time round at Stoke but awful 2nd time and awful at Birmingham and Celtic and not great at Huddersfield too.
In his 2nd stint at Stoke Macari got them to the play-offs and then mid-table. Hardly awful. He also got Huddersfield to the play-offs. Even at Birmingham he wasn't awful. He left them to go to Stoke having won a cup with them and steadied them after a poor start to the season under their previous manager (Dave Mackay).
Hoddle, in his first season at Chelsea, got them to FA Cup final and in his second season to the semi final of the Cup Winners Cup as well as doing the double over double-winning Man United. He made them a strong cup team and attracted the likes of Gullit to the club. Far from being awful, you could argue he started the ball rolling towards their success not longer after he left. It's not all about win percentages....


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 6, 2023, 12:07:42
FWIW I just had a scan of the next manager market on BV for Crawley and they have 2 managers miles ahead in the betting market -

Garner - 11/8
Scott Lindsey - 8/15

I wonder if Crawley are looking to get the band back together down in Sussex.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 6, 2023, 12:12:04
FWIW I just had a scan of the next manager market on BV for Crawley and they have 2 managers miles ahead in the betting market -

Garner - 11/8
Scott Lindsey - 8/15

I wonder if Crawley are looking to get the band back together down in Sussex.
It has been suggested.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 12:12:32
Could be, you can understand Lindsey thinking 'stuff this manager lark, it's not for me' and head somewhere as an assistant.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 6, 2023, 12:12:42
It has been suggested.

Would make the last game of the season even more spicy!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jilted John on Friday, January 6, 2023, 12:13:51
It's not all about win percentages....
At the end of the day it actually is. Win games.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Friday, January 6, 2023, 12:14:05
Especially if former Crawley boss Evans joined us  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, January 6, 2023, 12:18:57
FWIW I just had a scan of the next manager market on BV for Crawley and they have 2 managers miles ahead in the betting market -

Garner - 11/8
Scott Lindsey - 8/15

I wonder if Crawley are looking to get the band back together down in Sussex.
No wonder Conroy was liking tweets about Lindsey leaving, he’ll be raking it in if he has any passing related bonus! Although he’s never fit so a moot point.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 6, 2023, 13:25:56
This is a useful list of who is out there, albeit Kenny Overcoat is strangely on there despite taking a job at Gillingham the other day? https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/crawley-town


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, January 6, 2023, 13:52:10
i mean this is potentially more interesting than random manager names and possibly one of the strangest things i have read on this 80% bollocks forum.

surely the only way you would ever make money in the lower league betting is to close your eyes and pick. there seems to be no set method to success, teams have appointed high profile managers, spent a lot of money, recruited well and then you still get the likes of stevenage and carlisle near the top of the league.

to say you would bet on us to do well if the cowleys took over without knowing our squad, performances and set up is pretty crazy. to follow a manager you would surely miss as much as you hit as you previously suggested. a manager to work somewhere is so hit and miss.

You have wellens of Oldham, Doncaster and Salford then you have wellens of Swindon and Leyton Orient.

You have Eddie Howe of Burnley then you have eddie howe of Bournemouth and Newcastle.

It takes a random fit for it to work and my top tip for you would be to keep it in your pocket

I agree with most of what you've written. Nothing is certain in football. But I am very much manager-orientated.

There have been occasions when I've backed a team ante-post even though I had a very low opinion of their manager. This comes back to the "right club at the right time". I thought Peter Taylor was a terrible manager but when he got the Hull City job I backed them. They had finished near the bottom of the fourth tier but had just been taken over by a wealthy consortium and had recently left Boothferry Park for The 25,000 capacity KC Stadium. Even then although Taylor led The Tigers to back to back promotions he didn't win the title either time.

But backing Hull under Taylor was a real exception. Normally it is my opinion of the manager that determines where my money goes and I have championed some right chumps over the years I will admit.

You point out correctly that managers can succeed then fail and then succeed again; Wellens being the prime example. Far more common is a manager having a shelf life and it is vital when making an appointment that owners/chairmen are aware of this; few are.

Sir Alex Ferguson is almost unique. He had a career of forty years and was still on the top of his game on his retirement. Though, as has been stated often, he would almost certainly have been sacked within his first couple of years at manu in today's world; and of course he was sacked, ridiculously, early in his management career at St Mirren. For virtually everybody else their time comes and goes if it is ever there at all.

The classic example in my opinion of a manager reaching his shelf life but many not recognising it is Brian Little. A great footballer whose career was so badly affected by injury he started his managerial career as a permanent manager at Darlington. He did well there and Leicester came in for him. He did well there and "his club"  gave him the reins at Villa Park. Little started well but at some point, around the time Villa signed Stan Collymore, he just stopped being a good manager. What happens I don't know but it happens to virtually all successful managers; at some point they lose that gift and it never returns. What makes Little so relevant is that five clubs subsequently made him their manager but at only Hull was his tenure not a complete disaster. Knowing when a manager has "lost that magic it" is vital but most owners don't read the signs; and "it" can leave some managers in their early forties but others not till their late sixties.

Actually as I write this more and more examples that back up your point are occurring to me. The simple truth is it is not an exact science, but it's a fascinating one.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 14:11:01
Klopp is doing that right now. Just as he did at Dortmund. It’s uncanny how the 2 tenures replicate almost exactly.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 6, 2023, 14:19:13
That Thor Preston fan wasn't the full ticket at all.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 6, 2023, 14:21:40
Some managers fit clubs and some clubs fit managers.

Macari at Swindon vs Macari at Stoke and West Ham, Ardiles at Swindon vs Ardiles at Newcastle, Hoddle at Swindon vs Hoddle at Chelsea and Spurs.

Conversely

Colin Todd at Bolton vs Todd at Swindon, Dave Mackay at Derby vs Mackay at Swindon. Roy Evans at Liverpool vs Evans at Swindon.

Sometimes the club and players just click with a manager.

TBF With Wellens you could even say Wellens of 19/20 vs Wellens of 20/21.

Didn't Macari do alright at Stoke? They love him.

Ossie at Newcastle was shite though.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 14:26:16
Klopp is doing that right now. Just as he did at Dortmund. It’s uncanny how the 2 tenures replicate almost exactly.

Holloway. Tisdale. (just putting it here to keep it League 2 real)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Friday, January 6, 2023, 14:28:14
That Thor Preston fan wasn't the full ticket at all.

He made me think of Bo Selecta, confirmed when he put his pic up  :)

https://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=53991.msg1260083#msg1260083


Title: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 18:52:01
https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/01/06/exclusive-quotes-david-artell-issues-come-get-me-call-to-swindon-town/ (https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/01/06/exclusive-quotes-david-artell-issues-come-get-me-call-to-swindon-town/)


Quote
David Artell spoke exclusively to The Real EFL:

“I’m definitely interested in the Swindon job and I think how they want to play and my philosophy are a good match.”


“I know they’re going more down the data recruitment route which is not something I’m against”


“It’s the methodology behind the data that is key (and knowing what you’re after”


“and the way they want to play football is the way I want to play football”


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 18:54:32
Not against it


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 6, 2023, 18:55:34
He's younger than he looks (42) he certainly fits the clubs criteria with added passion we haven't seen for a while.
 
Wiki
Artell has been fined and given touchline bans by the Football Association for his "expressive and passionate touchline behaviour".


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Boeta on Friday, January 6, 2023, 18:59:25
Artell yes
Richardson yes
Manning probably yes

At least there's some palatable options that are feasible


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: tans on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:02:45
Its going to be Julian Dicks


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:04:00
Let's hope for a quick appointment


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:05:22
Let’s hope for the correct appointment


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:06:05
Agreed :clap:


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:13:00
Let's hope for a quick appointment

https://theathletic.com/1681163/2020/03/22/dean-hooper-swindon-peterborough-mental-health/


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:24:30
That's a very sad story and good to hear he's now mentally in a good place again.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: tans on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:27:24
https://theathletic.com/1681163/2020/03/22/dean-hooper-swindon-peterborough-mental-health/

Bypassed the paywall so you can read it

https://archive.ph/YtOL8


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Riddick on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:36:43
https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/01/06/exclusive-quotes-david-artell-issues-come-get-me-call-to-swindon-town/ (https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/01/06/exclusive-quotes-david-artell-issues-come-get-me-call-to-swindon-town/)



I'd take Artell. Had Crewe playing very well with what must be a small budget. He also had that nasty streak i think good managers need.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:47:19
Let's hope for a quick appointment

Let’s hope for the correct appointment

You boys are asking a lot, last time we got neither.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 6, 2023, 19:53:13
We waited six weeks for a underwhelming appointment who apparently was always first choice😀


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 20:05:49
As long as the new man can maintain the most important stat . . .



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 6, 2023, 20:14:37
Swansea for all their possession aren't getting anywhere!

Played 26, won 9, drawn 8, lost 9, goals for 36, against 36, points 35 = 15th in the league


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: bleko89 on Friday, January 6, 2023, 20:29:18
One interesting name that I can’t see mentioned is Eni Aluko, she might consider us as a first decent foray into management and I imagine would be prepared to work under our “model”. It is a massive gamble on our part.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 6, 2023, 20:37:04
One interesting name that I can’t see mentioned is Eni Aluko, she might consider us as a first decent foray into management and I imagine would be prepared to work under our “model”. It is a massive gamble on our part.

Apart from being very left field, I think she's more interested in DoF/Sporting Director type roles.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 6, 2023, 20:37:21
I wonder what Gary Monk is upto these days.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, January 6, 2023, 20:55:47
One interesting name that I can’t see mentioned is Eni Aluko, she might consider us as a first decent foray into management and I imagine would be prepared to work under our “model”. It is a massive gamble on our part.

Apart from being very left field, I think she's more interested in DoF/Sporting Director type roles.

You know gentlemen, that is not an outrageous shout. Not necessarily her but the first female EFL manager/head coach? (Assuming I’ve not missed a previous female appointment) That is the sort of stellar appointment we could use to propel the club to another level of consciousness within the EFL and wider world of of football. Even as an assistant to a Male lead having a female No.2 would be awesome.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: bathford on Friday, January 6, 2023, 21:39:05
I reckon they have someone lined up already

It will be sorted by the next home game on the 14th.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Robinz on Friday, January 6, 2023, 22:01:45
Hope you are right Bathford.
Looking like other clubs are busy taking advantage of the transfer market... Just hope we have not missed out again.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 6, 2023, 22:08:53
Could be barking up the wrong tree because we’ve not had any club statement on anything but if they weren’t expecting to have the next manager in by the next game someone would have been named as caretaker I’d have thought.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, January 6, 2023, 22:18:56
One interesting name that I can’t see mentioned is Eni Aluko, she might consider us as a first decent foray into management and I imagine would be prepared to work under our “model”. It is a massive gamble on our part.

Wow. 😳 I mean I'd get lindsey back in.

If her press conferences are anything like her commentary gaffs. There's nothing to suggest she would make a good manager in the women's game so let's not be that experiment


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Robinz on Friday, January 6, 2023, 22:20:54
DIV
I think a decision had already been made by the club to make changes especially in little of the CA signing and the bad atmosphere / results that were happening.
Scott L was unfortunately the man to take Swindon forward and most / everyone knew that at the time of his appointment.
That said, who would want other people selecting your players especially inexperienced people who are more likely to pick the winner at Newmarket than the next Don Rogers.    


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, January 6, 2023, 22:24:05
It will be sorted by the next home game on the 14th.

Are you assuming or you know?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 22:27:30
https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballleagueworld.co.uk/exclusive-brentford-figure-emerging-as-candidate-for-crawley-town-vacancy/amp/


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, January 6, 2023, 22:39:38
David Artell. All will be confirmed next week. Delighted with that


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, January 6, 2023, 23:22:45
Artell doesn’t excite me at all.


Title: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2023, 23:39:47
to be honest I don't know much about him.

I've said I've no desire to be fucking Crewe in the past, so naturally their former manager is in the frame


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, January 6, 2023, 23:53:00
David Artell. All will be confirmed next week. Delighted with that

I like Artell though when listening and watching his interviews he always puts me in mind of Daniel Kitson in Phoenix Nights.

He is surely the only football manager with a degree in forensic biology. It probably helps sort out the crime scene after some of the performances all our teams have had.

He wouldn't be my first choice but he wouldn't be a bad one.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 00:06:42
Artell doesn’t excite me at all.

Me neither.
Record pretty poor with Crewe.
I know it’s all relative to expectations and all that but again to me comes across as another ‘style over substance’ manager whose job description at Crewe was play nice football first, win games second.

Although, I’m far from an expert on anything Crewe tbh


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: wokinghamred on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 00:14:25
Interesting interview with Dave Artell.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/david-artell-crewe-reflection-steve-holland-pep-guardiola/


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 00:32:04
Me neither.
Record pretty poor with Crewe.
I know it’s all relative to expectations and all that but again to me comes across as another ‘style over substance’ manager whose job description at Crewe was play nice football first, win games second.

Although, I’m far from an expert on anything Crewe tbh

He kept Crewe in the league and then against all odds led them to promotion to League One. Yes his time ended with relegation but his overall record there was commendable. Crewe and Swindon may both be railway towns but you are a considerably bigger club than Alexandra, He wouldn't be my number one choice but he'd be a good appointment.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 00:43:59
That really doesn’t inspire me at all.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 00:44:52
Look at Wellens though, Oldham etc, then us and Orient. Sounds similar.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 00:50:27
Sounds like a man that has been through the wringer and been successful at the current level Swindon area now
Hungry to get back in the hotseat.
Six month rolling contract and fill your boots I say


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: dogs on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 07:14:39
Artell would be a good fit here. Plays attacking football, experience of blooding younger players, also did well on a low budget - got Crewe to finish 12th in L1 in 2021, then lost his better players in the summer. He also has a shedload of experience in the lower leagues as a player. A much better option than what we've had.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: molepar on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 07:40:19
Artell would be a good fit here. Plays attacking football, experience of blooding younger players, also did well on a low budget - got Crewe to finish 12th in L1 in 2021, then lost his better players in the summer. He also has a shedload of experience in the lower leagues as a player. A much better option than what we've had.
Crewe also went down under his tenure didn’t they?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 08:04:50
 as others have said crew and swindon are similar in some ways - shirt colour, railways, size, being in the lower leagues for many years, type of football played and selling players to balance the books. 

 I don't know who else might be available and I don't know enough about artell to suggest he could not do a good job.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 08:20:08
The ethos is different, though - or, at least, I hope to God it is. Crewe, as a club, have been run on similar lines as we are now. But their only aim is to survive - and their fans, by and large, have bought into it.

Develop young players to sell on and thereby enabling the club to survive. That’s why their league position ebbs and flows according to the crop of young players they have at any particular time. All very laudable.

But, without trying to sound all Billy Big Bollocks, we should be expecting more than just treading water.

Artell may well have been hamstrung by always having to sell his better players and replacing them with lesser quality - never being given the chance to build upon a good crop of youngsters.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 08:40:41
Artell far from my first choice, but if it's him I'll get behind him and give him a chance (FWIW, Manning is my first choice).


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 08:48:36
The ethos is different, though - or, at least, I hope to God it is. Crewe, as a club, have been run on similar lines as we are now. But their only aim is to survive - and their fans, by and large, have bought into it.

Develop young players to sell on and thereby enabling the club to survive. That’s why their league position ebbs and flows according to the crop of young players they have at any particular time. All very laudable.

But, without trying to sound all Billy Big Bollocks, we should be expecting more than just treading water.

Artell may well have been hamstrung by always having to sell his better players and replacing them with lesser quality - never being given the chance to build upon a good crop of youngsters.


In over 40 years of supporting Swindon that has always been the case here too. We have always had to sell our better player to survive. Same as practically every club from the Championship down.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 09:34:42
Being a “selling” club is a reality for (as mentioned Championship) down. The glaring elephant in the corner is whether we move up, down or stay where we are given a period of time. So using the business analogy of a five year plan that should give you a yardstick to measure where we are, where we were and the ownerships intentions.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:18:19
Artell looks like a huge upgrade on paper. Not an exciting appointment but an eminently sensible one - like Danny Wilson after Malpas.

Everyone not owned by an oil state is a selling club, don't kid yourself. It's just some clubs (Peterborough) are better at than others.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Moss on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:28:47
Never heard of Artel before but he sounds like he ticks all the right boxes - seems a really good option to me. Give him the job! Please don't faff about. Employ him as a coach for now and upgrade once safe to do so under combo rules. Sorted.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:34:53
Artell looks like a huge upgrade on paper. Not an exciting appointment but an eminently sensible one - like Danny Wilson after Malpas.

Everyone not owned by an oil state is a selling club, don't kid yourself. It's just some clubs (Peterborough) are better at than others.
Is there any such thing as an 'exciting' appointment for a club in our position? Not too many were excited by Wellens' appointment but that didn't work out too badly. Some of the comments from when he was appointed would make interesting reading now if I could be bothered to trawl through and find them.

Personally, I don't ask for too much as a fan but to have some hope is a minimum requirement. I've not had that for the last couple of months as we were clearly going nowhere under SL. Town games had become a soul destroying experience.

New Manager (Artell or A N Other) + Austin = Hope (at least for now)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:40:09
Never heard of Artel before but he sounds like he ticks all the right boxes - seems a really good option to me. Give him the job! Please don't faff about. Employ him as a coach for now and upgrade once safe to do so under combo rules. Sorted.

He was manager of Crewe when both sides got promoted when Wellens was in charge. When the league was stopped, Crewe were top but our game in hand meant that we won the league on PPG. Artell won the LMA league 2 manager of the year award.

He's been out of football since leaving Crewe but appears to be hungry now to get back into football. We could definitely do a lot worse I reckon.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:41:59
 Its really good to read positive comments


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:48:42
as others have said crew and swindon are similar in some ways - shirt colour, railways, size, being in the lower leagues for many years, type of football played and selling players to balance the books.  

 I don't know who else might be available and I don't know enough about artell to suggest he could not do a good job.

Crewe compaired to Swindon fanbase/size and potential are miles apart, population of approximately 76,000 and lucky to get crowds of 4,000 v a population of 225,000 averaging around 9,000 and could easily get 11,000, 12,000+ if promotion was a reality. Granted we've both been around the lower leagues for years play in red and we share the same Railway heritage but based on potential and what we could do on & off the pitch there is no comparison.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:50:44
Artell seems sensible. Its not exciting but then very few appointments are in the lower leagues.

Just don't be boring and start stringing together positive results. Please.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:51:48
Crewe compaired to Swindon fanbase/size and potential are miles apart, population of approximately 76,000 and lucky to get crowds of 4,000 v a population of 225,000 averaging around 9,000 and could easily get 11,000, 12,000+ if promotion was a reality. Granted we've both been and around the lower leagues for years play in red and we share the same Railway heritage but based on potential and what we could do on & off the pitch there is no comparison.

Yeah I didn't want to get all 'we're massive' but fuck off are we the same size as Crewe. What, because we sell players? So does everyone.

Crewe has a much lower ceiling than Swindon.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:53:06
gates aren't the only factor in finances


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:54:18
Crewe compaired to Swindon fanbase/size and potential are miles apart, population of approximately 76,000 and lucky to get crowds of 4,000 v a population of 225,000 averaging around 9,000 and could easily get 11,000, 12,000+ if promotion was a reality. Granted we've both been around the lower leagues for years play in red and we share the same Railway heritage but based on potential and what we could do on & off the pitch there is no comparison.

If I had a penny for every time I heard about potential ............... I would have £9.76


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 10:56:12
Put the money in your piggy bank for a rainy day.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:07:03
David Artell. All will be confirmed next week. Delighted with that
I hope its not Artell, Crewe fans disliked his style of dull tippy tappy football. Ended is reign at Crewe with 15 defeats and one draw in his last 16 games.

Some comments from the Crewe forum.

Quote
we are disaster Junkies or vampires, not sure which ? Because we have challenged abject failure Artell has managed to take the club back quicker than he took it forward.

it’s a results based business and Artell got what he deserved.

I get that people wanted him out and they had good reason.

I agree Artell is a decent man, but it should have been time for change during December. Now we have been relegated having lost 15 of the last 16 games.

There are obviously broader and more fundamental factors to do with the club's structure and operation which, aside from awful recruitment, tactics, team selections etc. which are somewhat closer to Artell's remit

I share the views of the posts above concerning Dave Artell being a decent man who gave everything for this club. However, being a good guy does not guarantee a job for life and he had to go in the end.

I would respectfully suggest that Dave Artell was considered out of his depth when first appointed. Indeed, I was one who privately questioned whether he was the right man for the job.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:14:18
 Its almost like supporters all day the same thing about their own club


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:15:19
Artell far from my first choice, but if it's him I'll get behind him and give him a chance (FWIW, Manning is my first choice).
I concur, Artell is not my first choice but I guess as paupers and relative beggars we have no choice in appointing anyone better suited.

I also wouldnt mind Leam Robinson as he knows Sandro and the model too as he faced difficulties at Wigan and got them the championship in L1 under difficult circumstances.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:16:54
Artell looks like a huge upgrade on paper. Not an exciting appointment but an eminently sensible one - like Danny Wilson after Malpas.

Everyone not owned by an oil state is a selling club, don't kid yourself. It's just some clubs (Peterborough) are better at than others.
All very valid points that are impossible to argue with.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:18:30
Yeah I didn't want to get all 'we're massive' but fuck off are we the same size as Crewe. What, because we sell players? So does everyone.

Crewe has a much lower ceiling than Swindon.
100% this.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:22:54
I think Artell or Roibinson seem to make sense on paper based upon the stated intentions of the club.

I don't know whether either would be any good.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:23:21
Is there any such thing as an 'exciting' appointment for a club in our position?

I guess you can take exciting in a few ways.

In terms of managerial CV and name recognition, Mark Hughes at Bradford is miles ahead of any L2 appointment made in the last decade or so. He's doing okay, but they're not pissing the division.

Exciting in Town terms often means taking a flier on a recently retired/about to retire player in their first job as we did with Wise, Di Canio, Hoddle and less successfully Iffy and Jimmy Quinn. That I guess is where the Carrick/Duncan Ferguson type shouts come from.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Moss on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:31:41
I hope its not Artell, Crewe fans disliked his style of dull tippy tappy football. Ended is reign at Crewe with 15 defeats and one draw in his last 16 games.

Some comments from the Crewe forum.

I wonder if Orient fans quoted our forum when appointing Wellens? Plenty of negatives on here bout him :hmmm:

Its always a punt - but he's worth a punt I reckon....


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:31:59
I guess you can take exciting in a few ways.

In terms of managerial CV and name recognition, Mark Hughes at Bradford is miles ahead of any L2 appointment made in the last decade or so. He's doing okay, but they're not pissing the division.

Exciting in Town terms often means taking a flier on a recently retired/about to retire player in their first job as we did with Wise, Di Canio, Hoddle and less successfully Iffy and Jimmy Quinn. That I guess is where the Carrick/Duncan Ferguson type shouts come from.
Absolutely this, Pdc was our last truly "exciting appointment" and we were in L2, but for experience, yes Hughes would be up there, but Bradford fans want him sacked now too so it obviously doing always work, Jackett at Orient as well seemed great "on paper" and now hes DoF at Gillingham.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:33:07
I wonder if Orient fans quoted our forum when appointing Wellens? Plenty of negatives on here bout him :hmmm:

Its always a punt - but he's worth a punt I reckon....
Indeed they did.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Moss on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:34:23
He was manager of Crewe when both sides got promoted when Wellens was in charge. When the league was stopped, Crewe were top but our game in hand meant that we won the league on PPG. Artell won the LMA league 2 manager of the year award.

He's been out of football since leaving Crewe but appears to be hungry now to get back into football. We could definitely do a lot worse I reckon.

Thanks - So a history of getting promotion from league 2 and playing the right way, and developing young players. Not many with that on their CV and nobody will not have some negativity on there. No Brainer IMHO.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Moss on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:37:41
And his name sounds almost like Arkell - shoe in.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:41:07
Pickering, Ng, Kirk, Wintle - that Crewe side were superb.

Who knows how it would work out but I think it's both exciting and sensible on paper.

Would ignore what Crewe fans said when he left. Plenty on here were rewriting history when Wellens left, despite him being brilliant.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:43:42
And his name sounds almost like Arkell - shoe in.
Just like Arsene and Arsenal.

It’s a sign I tells ya!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:45:38
If that’s the case I hope we sign Terry Henry.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:47:03
Debating which league 2 club is 'bigger' than the other is a bit, dare I say, tinpot but that's just my take on that. I haven't looked this up but I think that they may have been in the second tier in relatively recent history.

On the face of it, that would appear to be a decent appointment. A few forum comments on a manager's skills and attributes should be taken with a healthy pinch of salt.

The Crewe side from the COVID affected season included some very good players and it is almost inevitable that they would have taken title.  The manager has to take some credit for their success.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: tj2002 on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 11:52:11
Plenty at Crewe didn't want to see him sacked either despite the terrible end to his reign. It was always likely they would struggle the season after selling their most recent golden generation, things are completely cyclical there.

I think he'd be a decent appointment. A young manager, good football philosophy, would play 'The Swindon Way', and would be relatively cheap. Plus, he seems to be a little bit on the edge which is always fun to see.

We could and have done much worse with managerial appointments over the last 10 years.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:02:33
Yeah I didn't want to get all 'we're massive' but fuck off are we the same size as Crewe. What, because we sell players? So does everyone.

Crewe has a much lower ceiling than Swindon.

Did anyone say we were the same size club as Crewe or are you trying to start an argument with yourself?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:08:00
Artell would be a good fit here. Plays attacking football, experience of blooding younger players, also did well on a low budget - got Crewe to finish 12th in L1 in 2021, then lost his better players in the summer. He also has a shedload of experience in the lower leagues as a player. A much better option than what we've had.

Read that without putting my glasses on and seriously thought I was reading the most deluded post ever! Why would Arteta leave Arsenal to come here? Then I put my glasses on…


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:10:56
I think that Artell would be a good fit here.
Having had time to reflect and reset following his departure from Crewe could also work in our favour.

Looks quite studious with the specs on as well.

Seems to have a bit of fire in his belly when called for.
Being sent to the stands at the CG and continuing to wear the vivid pink bib did make him a target for the TE if I remember.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:12:49
Did anyone say we were the same size club as Crewe or are you trying to start an argument with yourself?
Someone did mention it earlier that Crewe and Swindon were comperable sized clubs.

as others have said crew and swindon are similar in some ways - shirt colour, railways, size, being in the lower leagues for many years, type of football played and selling players to balance the books. 

 I don't know who else might be available and I don't know enough about artell to suggest he could not do a good job.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:14:11
Read that without putting my glasses on and seriously thought I was reading the most deluded post ever! Why would Arteta leave Arsenal to come here? Then I put my glasses on…

Some would still be underwhelmed.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:14:47
I guess you can take exciting in a few ways.

In terms of managerial CV and name recognition, Mark Hughes at Bradford is miles ahead of any L2 appointment made in the last decade or so. He's doing okay, but they're not pissing the division.



I had doubts about Hughes who had never played or managed below the second-tier before taking the Bradford City job.

I had no doubts about their previous manager. I thought Derek Adams couldn't fail (always with the proviso nothing is certain in football). He did miserably.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:18:32
Some would still be underwhelmed.

Well yes especially as Klopp will probably be available soon.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:18:33
Someone did mention it earlier that Crewe and Swindon were comperable sized clubs.

Then I apologise to Chalkies.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:22:31
Some would still be underwhelmed.

How many times have fans been overwhelmed 3 maybe,  Macari, Ardilles & Hoddle and 4 at a push with Roy Evans. Not sure about McMahon, Todd & Wise.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Moss on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:23:43
Just like Arsene and Arsenal.

It’s a sign I tells ya!
Exactly!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:25:43
How many times have fans been overwhelmed 3 maybe,  Macari, Ardilles & Hoddle and 4 at a push with Roy Evans. Not sure about McMahon, Todd & Wise.
I personally would include MaMahon and Wise 100%, Todd far less so.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Pookemon on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:33:00
Di Canio was an exciting appointment too.

I'd be happy with Artell, he lasted 5 years at Crewe and said he basically burnt himself out by not delegating enough and has learnt from that.   A massive upgrade on Lyndsey.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ROKERITE on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:34:10
Debating which league 2 club is 'bigger' than the other is a bit, dare I say, tinpot but that's just my take on that. I haven't looked this up but I think that they may have been in the second tier in relatively recent history.

On the face of it, that would appear to be a decent appointment. A few forum comments on a manager's skills and attributes should be taken with a healthy pinch of salt.

The Crewe side from the COVID affected season included some very good players and it is almost inevitable that they would have taken title.  The manager has to take some credit for their success.

They spent eight seasons in the second tier. That was all down to Dario Gradi, without whom they'd never have risen so high. Fourth tier is their natural level.

Swindon Town is a bigger club than Crewe Alexandra. That's nothing against them but Crewe is only about one-third the size of Swindon. It also has Liverpool and Manchester not too far away and I'd imagine, like many other places, has more supporters of the reds from both cities than fans of Alexandra.

I've never been to Swindon but unless I'm mistaken you have the added advantage of not having any "big clubs" near you. There's potential (I understand many are sick of hearing it) at Swindon Town. With the right management I can see you back in the second -tier within a few years.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:34:47
Di Canio was an exciting appointment too.
Thats what started this.

Absolutely this, Pdc was our last truly "exciting appointment" and we were in L2,


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:35:28
Di Canio was an exciting appointment too.

I'd be happy with Artell, he lasted 5 years at Crewe and said he basically burnt himself out by not delegating enough and has learnt from that.   A massive upgrade on Lyndsey.

I did forget Di Canio and would say at the time he created a lot of excitement amongst the fans.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:37:17
I've never been to Swindon but unless I'm mistaken you have the added advantage of not having any "big clubs" near you.
Have you not heard of the massive Oxford United? :D


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:50:20
Have you not heard of the massive Oxford United? :D

Swindon itself is surrounded by other towns of notable size that don’t have league clubs and therefore have floating fans. We don’t get so many fans from Newbury these days as they would more likely travel to Reading. Likewise floating fans in Chippenham more than likely go to Bristol City. On a personal note one of my friends who was a regular for most games at The County Ground with his wife all through the 90’s and early 2000’s ended up becoming season ticket holders at Southampton when they moved from The Dell. It works both ways of course, our single year in The Premier League had a detrimental effect on attendance at Bristol City.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:52:45
It seems that London is the biggest draw


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 12:56:39
It seems that London is the biggest draw

A lot of London overspill here too, quite easy to jump on a train to Paddington from Swindon to see Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs or West Ham.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 13:06:26
Quote from: Steak supper
 Its almost like supporters all day the same thing about their own club

Didn't make them wrong though. At least at that particular time what they say is fair.

That's no indication of past or future performance though.

We haven't got time to fanny around on appointing someone, but equally we haven't got cash and resources to cock it up by rushing.

what's the chance of getting him on a short term or rolling contract


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 13:09:18
Did anyone say we were the same size club as Crewe or are you trying to start an argument with yourself?
Fuck off is he  ;)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DMC on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 13:18:49
Artell seems sensible. Its not exciting but then very few appointments are in the lower leagues.

Just don't be boring and start stringing together positive results. Please.
Spot on, not quite sure what people expect. Looking at the managers available none of them scream much better than the others anyway :beers:


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 13:26:04
Am I the only one that is wondering where this Duncan Ferguson shit is coming from? The bloke was a lunatic as a player and has been retired the best part of two decades and done bugger all.

Has baffled me.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 13:35:24
Didn't make them wrong though. At least at that particular time what they say is fair.

That's no indication of past or future performance though.

We haven't got time to fanny around on appointing someone, but equally we haven't got cash and resources to cock it up by rushing.

what's the chance of getting him on a short term or rolling contract

It may be more accurate to say supporters who use forums say the same things about their club- they may be a certain demographic who share the same views and outlooks etc


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 13:37:59

Steak Supper alluded to that and others were already arguing against it before I commented.

Are you following the conversation?

I had no problem with my post. I suppose it depend on how you measure size  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 14:03:51
Fanbases are completely different, as are the potential. They averaged about 7k their second tier run and about 4k this season.

Clubs fans always think they're bigger than they are, but a lot of our fans have the opposite problem. Jesus our average attendance is over twice theirs.

I get why though. It stems from absolute depression of having fuck all to shout about.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 14:05:00
Am I the only one that is wondering where this Duncan Ferguson shit is coming from? The bloke was a lunatic as a player and has been retired the best part of two decades and done bugger all.

Has baffled me.

He has been coaching at Everton for the last 8 years. Working his way up to assistant manager and has taken charge or Everton on two occasions (and improved performances)

He left Everton in the summer to go into management (according to the media articles) and as of typing this - has not found gainful employment.

…and we are looking for a manager? So why is it such a baffling suggestion?

Sure, he was a bit unhinged but was also always gave maximum effort, wasn’t afraid of hard work and putting it about it & he has passion. Exactly what this team is lacking.

I’ve said many times. I don’t know what Ferguson’s expectations are with regards to finding a job. What he personally is holding out for wages wise / league wise

…but…surely an unemployed former assistant manager who is looking to get into management isn’t such a shit suggestion?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: 4D on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 14:20:29
I had no problem with my post. I suppose it depend on how you measure size  :girlgiggle:

Crewe in cms, Town in inches  :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 15:08:55
He has been coaching at Everton for the last 8 years. Working his way up to assistant manager and has taken charge or Everton on two occasions (and improved performances)

He left Everton in the summer to go into management (according to the media articles) and as of typing this - has not found gainful employment.

…and we are looking for a manager? So why is it such a baffling suggestion?

Sure, he was a bit unhinged but was also always gave maximum effort, wasn’t afraid of hard work and putting it about it & he has passion. Exactly what this team is lacking.

I’ve said many times. I don’t know what Ferguson’s expectations are with regards to finding a job. What he personally is holding out for wages wise / league wise

…but…surely an unemployed former assistant manager who is looking to get into management isn’t such a shit suggestion?

The problem for me is that all his experience of late is with Everton. Although a less than average PL on the pitch their wealth and financial situation is still a million miles from L2. Would love to see someone like Pep or Klopp spend a season here and work with the tools provided and a budget of 50p and a bag of grapes.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: bathford on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 15:47:54
Swindon itself is surrounded by other towns of notable size that don’t have league clubs and therefore have floating fans. We don’t get so many fans from Newbury these days as they would more likely travel to Reading. Likewise floating fans in Chippenham more than likely go to Bristol City. On a personal note one of my friends who was a regular for most games at The County Ground with his wife all through the 90’s and early 2000’s ended up becoming season ticket holders at Southampton when they moved from The Dell. It works both ways of course, our single year in The Premier League had a detrimental effect on attendance at Bristol City.

You would be surprised how many fans regularly make the pilgrimage from Chippenham and Bath. They wouldn’t touch Bristol with a barge poll.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: bathford on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 15:50:17
Surely Ferguson will be back in charge at Everton soon!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 16:51:29
The problem for me is that all his experience of late is with Everton. Although a less than average PL on the pitch their wealth and financial situation is still a million miles from L2. Would love to see someone like Pep or Klopp spend a season here and work with the tools provided and a budget of 50p and a bag of grapes.

It’s a fair point no doubt.
Personally think putting in maximum effort and playing for the shirt are skills that are transferable to lower league players.

I’d rather watch some bloody & guts football than pointless possession passing to be honest.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: bathford on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 17:02:06
As things stand after todays games we are 8th. A lot of teams are now on the same number of games played as us. So our position should be quite attractive to any prospective Manager bearing in mind we can’t score in a brothel!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 17:12:58
Clough can't have long left at Mansfield after today's collapse hate us to get gazumped!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 17:21:21
Outside the POs on goal difference. Bradford still have 2 games in hand. Cobblers losing still gives a faint chance of getting 3rd. POs should be easily achievable with a new man and a few new players - and a mighty change of emphasis.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 17:23:00
It's set up nicely if Clem & Sandro make the right choices.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 18:14:02
He has been coaching at Everton for the last 8 years. Working his way up to assistant manager and has taken charge or Everton on two occasions (and improved performances)

He left Everton in the summer to go into management (according to the media articles) and as of typing this - has not found gainful employment.

…and we are looking for a manager? So why is it such a baffling suggestion?

Sure, he was a bit unhinged but was also always gave maximum effort, wasn’t afraid of hard work and putting it about it & he has passion. Exactly what this team is lacking.

I’ve said many times. I don’t know what Ferguson’s expectations are with regards to finding a job. What he personally is holding out for wages wise / league wise

…but…surely an unemployed former assistant manager who is looking to get into management isn’t such a shit suggestion?

I didn't realise he'd been at Everton that whole time. Fair enough.

He was still an absolute lunatic in his youth still. He'd probably end up in a punch up with our fans.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 18:21:07
I didn't realise he'd been at Everton that whole time. Fair enough.

He was still an absolute lunatic in his youth still. He'd probably end up in a punch up with our fans.

Good.
They would have probably deserved it !!!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DMC on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 18:25:44
The number of managers they go through Everton go through he is probably worked with more experience than anyone else.

On a serious note i think we have a real opportunity in place to put the foundations in for something good here. I would be looking at getting players like Austin and Gladwin involved and taking their coaching badges under a manager with some coaching or manager experience


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 18:49:38
The number of managers they go through Everton go through he is probably worked with more experience than anyone else.

On a serious note i think we have a real opportunity in place to put the foundations in for something good here. I would be looking at getting players like Austin and Gladwin involved and taking their coaching badges under a manager with some coaching or manager experience

Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva, Ancelotti, Benitez & Lampard!!



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DMC on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 18:51:01
Not an awful list to work with is it


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 19:01:36
Not an awful list to work with is it

…and that’s just as coach.
Would have played under Moyes, Smith & Royle at Everton.
Gullit, Dalglish & Robson at Newcastle.

…of course that doesn’t mean he took anything in or learnt anything from them


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 19:02:45
Good.
They would have probably deserved it !!!

That I can't argue with.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 19:04:44
It makes you wonder how Lindsey's son would have taken to the abuse his dad would have been getting.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: DiV on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 19:06:52
It makes you wonder how Lindsey's son would have taken to the abuse his dad would have been getting.

He started it*




*not true


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 7, 2023, 19:07:56
He started it*




*not true

 :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 12, 2023, 08:04:05
Fuck you all!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Hitchinred on Friday, January 13, 2023, 21:15:24
I did forget Di Canio and would say at the time he created a lot of excitement amongst the fans.

Wise and Poyet?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 14, 2023, 05:52:42
Wise and Poyet?

Yes I guess that pairing would have caused a buzz around the club until they jumped ship.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, January 14, 2023, 08:36:17
Yes I guess that pairing would have caused a buzz around the club until they jumped ship.

That didn’t take long either.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 14, 2023, 09:45:02
That didn’t take long either.

Jumping ship to Leeds was the start of Wises downfall as he was hated at Leeds and even more so at Newcastle😀