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Charlton's crowds certainly fluctuate!

 https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/2021001126

Hugely impressive attendance from Wrexham. 19k+!

That can't be right as it only holds 10k increasing to 16k when the new stand goes in.  

Edit:  9,118 according to other sources which makes more sense.

Yeah, they have something like 7k season ticket holders

Okay that makes more sense. Still not too shabby.

Wrexham definitely a club with the feel good factor now they have massive investment.

The same thing happened at Lincoln, the crowds there went up significantly when they got promoted back into the football league

The Wrexham love in from randoms  :puke:

Not from down these parts🙄

No love in from me, I would like to see them fail despite Hollywood money. Their crowds are impressive though.

Horrible fans known for attacking away supporters down the side streets before and after games.

Beat league one Gas today.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/2021001210

Only thing we have beat recently.

Attendances= league points?

the thread title should be a clue

Exactly Batch!

It's hard to see anything changing.

In 10 yrs time attendances at grounds will mean nothing. 

 The PL aren't really interested in bums on seats as its international markets that count. In the lower leagues most will 'consume' the product on the internet.

Attendances at grounds mean alot to elderly supporters but soon most wont be bothered

I don't think the lower leagues can survive on internet streaming. Demand won't survive and the revenue isn't there

with a minimum of 100M prize money in the premier League bums on seats don't really matter now

How come your browsing the attendance thread if it isn't your thing? After all it was you who suggested that I open a separate thread after giving it some thought!

😂

I’m sure football grounds and going to football will even be a thing in 10 years.

Technology and a camera and you can stream to all your fans remotely anyway.
All you’d need a top grade 4G pitch, hell put it indoors as well. No postponements. Then you don’t have the cost of owning/renting land, owning/renting a stadium, maintenance, match workers, policing, stewards. In theory no cap on tickets you could sell (home or away)

Only thing you’d really lose out on is actual match day income from things like the car park, food and hospitality but I imagine you’d save more by not needing a stadium.

Saw this on another site and can't believe how low some of the crowds were.

Which would suggest crowds are increasing.

Exactly but also shows how far Chelsea and Man City have come with wealthy owners.

Ha ha ha- well done Jimmy jimmy, I am sure that you are very pleased with that

It was very good of you to follow my direction and create a thread. I did dip into that. If  I shouldnt have done you have my apologies

 All in good spirits steakey😀

My thought was that attendance numbers won't give people the jollies that they seem to do at the moment. Being able to stream on Saturdays may see streaming overtake physical attendances. With that, if the Crawley type approach ever took off in the lower leagues you may have more supporters who can only consume content on the net.

Look what hosting a football event did for German attendances, they never used to get anywhere near the crowds they get now.
Cheap tickets and bigger crowds would be great, but stupid salaries have put paid to that.

With Bradford playing away we had the highest in league 2

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/2021001226

Will only go down

For those interested

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/2021001229

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010101

Blimey,  Oldham & Chesterfield both getting higher attendances (7,000+) than every game in league 2 except Bradford.

Even Woking v Aldershot was nearly 5,500

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010107

I see Reading's attendance is still plummeting. Hopefully they'll be back to their rightful place in League 2 before long.
Although they got more than Millwall today. Only just over 7000 watched them play Sheff Utd who must have brought a fair old whack too.

Wrexham are averaging about 10k as well.

It goes to show the season ticket holders aren't interested and the FA set the ticket prices way too high.

Plastic fan base melting.

Their like the 70's local rival that disappeared, they never get mentioned like the Bristol clubs & Oxford.

It's difficult to maintain a local rivalry with a club you don't get to play games against.

Which is why Reading are so desperately forcing rivalries with teams. Their traditional rivals are Aldershot.

Don't forget Woking!

Depends how far you want to cast the net. You could include High Wycombe. I suppose how far do you wish to expand the radius?

I would imagine QPR is their biggest game now Brentford are in the promised land.

So I’m not disputing your statement. However, are you 100% sure ‘why Reading are so desperately forcing rivalries with teams?’ Can you expand on who ‘Reading’ are? The club? Or the fans?

I’m not trying to be a pedantic twat. Allegedly being a Right Wing Facist & Racist Tory Cunt I don’t need to be. I do like to at times drill down to where statements originate from. In this case I doubt it is the Guardian, Independent, Daily Mirror or any Far Left rag. I’ve not read anything in the Big Issue I purchase from the poor East European lady who sells them where I work

Looking at Reeding as a club AKA the catchment area and the ground it makes me think about our beloved STFC. In our wildest dreams with what we have in terms of catchment area, footprint (yes that means the ground, T/E car parke etc) what can we achieve? We’ve been in the PL once. Look what it did to us.. I’d say on what I have said puts us just ahead of Bournemouth.

Assume we become a Wiltshire version of Reeding, how long is that going to take? How much money? Where is that coming from?

I realise my post has moved on a bit from the post I was referring to but over the last few weeks I have been asking myself a lot of questions about my blind loyalty to this club.

The fans of Reading. They're essentially Rival-less. I'm not even sure if they've played the pheonix club of their traditional rivals Aldershot.

Spotty virgin Reading fans who weren't even born the last time we played them sing about us. Its.....weird.

You can be a pedant but not have dodgy political views that may not represent your class interests.

Thank you and fuck off 😉

Superb crowd today

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010114


https://www.footballgroundmap.com/stats/teams/england/league-2

More than Luton, Rotherham in the Championship.

Only 3 clubs in L1 got more today, Bolton, Charlton and Ipswich.

More home fans than Oxford had against Arsenal  :girlgiggle:

To put it in perspective I thought Rotherham's was a good attendance so you can see what potential we have.

I like that :clap:

To be fair their ground was full, and it was on free to air TV wasn't it?

Crawley fans turned up in numbers to greet Lindsey😀

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010128

Another sell out at the Kassam😀

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010204

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010211

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010214

Bloody Hell. :eek:

Championship- Reading vs Rotherham- 9492  :horse:

National League- Wrexham vs Woking - 10030  :bandwagon:

It's crazy what money can achieve!

I think Wrecham have always retained fairly good attendances considering the time they have spent outside the league.

I'm sure Wrob and Wryan identified this when considering which club they wanted to take up the pywramid. No wrash decisions, I'm sure. The Wracecourse ground was always going to be the obvious wroute to success  ::)

10k is pretty much a full house there isn't it?

What, 3K?

For our sake we could do with Wrexham not being in Lg2 next season.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010218

I see Stockpot had 3k fans in a 4.6k crowd at Rochdale last night  ;D

It's only about 12-13 miles away for the away team so not really surprised

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010225

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010304

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010311

It's absolutely shocking that Bournemouth are in the Premier League with an 11.2k Stadium. But still couldn't fill it v Liverpool  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010314

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010318

Another decent attendance today 9,446

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010325

Sort of linked to this, and a quiz for a Monday morning (seen on Facebook so can't guarantee its true)...

What are the shortest and longest away day journeys for clubs in our league this season?

9000+ won't be lasting much longer

Carlisle to Gillingham longest?
Sutton to Wimbledon shortest?

Has to be those mate I would think. Either Jills or Creepy for the Northerners.

Correct

Sutton/Wimbledon 5.2m
Carlisle/Crawley 351m

If anyone is bored and wants to try the other divisions...

9000+ crowds have been amazing and as you say can't see them lasting with disposable income becoming less each month.
Less season ticket holders next season with more paying on the day depending on how we're doing etc.

Which could boost the club coffers if we are doing well or alternately cause problems if we ain't, its a risk that could go either way.

Spot on, It will be intriguing to see what player recruitment Clem & Sandro do in the summer.

The problem being that we likely won’t have made any of those signings before the ST renewal cutoff, unless we get things done really early

Which will probably mean a shortfall compared to this season and more reliant on a successful season to get the numbers back.

Almost certainly, although as a new ST is no more expensive than a renewal (outside of the early bird window) there’s a chance that a good summer might persuade some to buy ST’s again

With no discount for renewal and only £15 difference from early bird and standard (TE adult) if I do renew it'll be just before our first home game

Probably like many others unless socks are blown off😀

there's a chance some will look at the Matchday prices and decide on a season ticket. .. maybe

Its tough out there and with food and interest rates still rising some will have to sacrife a seasonal ticket for the sake of every day living. Let's hope the energy companies start dropping their prices from July onwards.

Someone from the club needs to give a bit of a state of the town update imo. Acknowledge the season has fallen short of expectations and give some high level detail of what will be different next season, particularly with regard to player recruitment. They need to give the fans something to make them want to put their hands in their pockets next season, not just be quiet.

Good shout but you know they will blame it on injuries and suspensions!

If they believe thats the scale of the problems then i think a lot of fans will be right not to give them their hard earned money.

Short of expectations is an under statement.  Current trajectory is for a historically bad season.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010401

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010407

The National league table is insane. Wrexham host Notts County on Monday and both are already on 100 points

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010410

Anyone interested click on the fixtures tab

Not attendances but I see that Stockpot are charging toward promotion . some clubs have to hit rock bottom to surge onwards and upwards

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010415

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010422

I see Rovers took 409 to Plymouth last night  :girlgiggle:

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/20210010429

Saw this on another forum

Decent numbers in a disappointing season for us.

Kudos to Grimsby for even better numbers in a middling season - and to Carlisle who travel pretty much the furthest.

Not sure about others but we've certainly been hindered by limited away capacities at Orient and Wimbledon

Carlisle, Grimsby & Orients numbers are commendable considering the distances they traveled .

Orient???? Not exactly out on a limb are they?? Didn't have to travel any further than us😂

Carlisle have put an absolute shift in there

I was surprised they averaged as many as did considering they don't bring that many here.

They don't really compare to Carlisle or Grimsby as a 'football outpost' though do they?

Except at home  ;D

Considering our nearest game is Newport and we were limited numbers allowed, a pretty dire season too, we don't do bad. Second best supported side in this division.

Let Bradford win the play offs then we can be the best supported team in the league if the players perform.

That's just plain odd why they take proportionally so many away compared to what they get at home when compared to other clubs, not sure if that reflects well on Carlisle fans or just poorly on the supporters of other clubs?

Albeit I can understand why they may wish to get away from there every other Saturday!


I assume that if things are going OK, considering what they were getting in the NL last season Notts County will get more than us, I assume Wrexham won't get their new stand finished until 2024-25 at the earliest?

Third based on this season's stats.

You are forgetting Wrexham and their  :bandwagon: fans.

As per post above I assume Racecourse will remain 3 sided for next season at least?

Would be interested to know what they are putting up as that end has a lump of space behind it much as the Town End?

Current ground capacity is around 10,200 rising to 15,500 when the new stand behind the goal is complete so we could beat them if we're in the top 3 all season.

Fuck Wrexham. Had enough already.

http://stadiumdb.com/news/2023/03/wales_wrexham_has_found_a_contractor_for_stadium_redevelopment

Getting a huge Grant from the Welsh Govt (via their local Council) of r25m.  They need to fund at least 8m themselves to get that grant.

https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/23466202.wrexham-new-kop-stand-gets-25m-boost-wrexham-council/

Seems they linked it to other developments to get that.

I am so glad you have come round to my way of thinking at last ;)

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Damn right. It’s a whole new level of a vomit inducing club.

I don't doubt that the owners are good guys.

Part of it is jealously. Part of it is a variation on what happened at Chelsea. A 'new generation' of Chelsea fans arrived after Abramovich, adorned in their replica shirts, banging on about 'their' club despite having no idea of the history and the fact that Chelsea are the Millwall of West London. Wrexham are the Millwall of Wales. At their core, both horrible clubs with horrible fans. And to see them 'winning the lottery' is sick-making.

To be fair to Wrexham, it’s the media that have wanked themselves silly over the fairytale.
I guess they had to move in from  Bournemouth eventually.


I guess we haven’t played Cardiff for a while, but I still recall them attacking Women & Kids at game at the CG, to me far worse than Wrexham

Cardiff are bad but this sort of stuff puts Wrexham right up there for me!

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wrexham-hooligans-fight-frightening-dublin-12050678

Good job they didn't get the Levelling up money, instead went to a project that I am doing a load of work on, so happy days!!

TBH I am/was more interested in what they are incorporating within the stand, much as with the Town End it has a load of space at the rear and the CGI's suggest a deep building attached to the rear of the stand so was just interested what was going in there? 

https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2022/06/16/wrexham-reveals-designs-for-new-kop-stand/#:~:text=The%20design%20team%2C%20which%20will,form%20part%20of%20the%20design.

Baadiff are a bunch of arseholes but for me Wrexham had some of the worst football violence I have ever encountered back in 86 when they were chasing women and kids and shirt wearing fans when we last played at the Racecourse Ground, horrible nasty pieces of work, the worst thing was there was only about 500 Town and 1,200 of them in the entire ground.

I stewarded Cardiff at the CG a few times from the mid 80s to the 00's and and they are indeed pretty nasty shits.

It would be a bit odd if their crowds hadn't increased because of success, bit like any club in that scenario.

I don't get the hate (well its jealousy obvious), fair play to them.

The documentary was great as well

Ta, I realise I have become that prick I despise who asks other people to google stuff I am quite capable of finding myself.

Not as much as I was expecting in there, and they seem to be keeping a big lump of open space behind it which seems a bit strange, albeit I think there is scope to extend at the other end as well.

See posts above yours. Can't be arsed with self promoting shite.

I’d imagine our visit there on a Tuesday evening cup game in 1981 haven’t endeared them to us. Was the worst trouble I’ve seen Town fans initiate.

If their new fans are people living in North Wales and buying Wrexham shirts instead of Man Utd or Liverpool, who are a big draw in that area, that's no bad thing.

We wouldn't moan if we had a big injection of cash and sold more Swindon shirts locally and the Saturday trains to watch Chelsea or Spurs were a bit quieter.

Spunking money with Hollywood millionaires and the taxpayer footing the bill for stadium, doesn't sit right with me.

I know there is some chat on the Transfer rumours site but I thought I'd try and defer it to here if possible;

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/swit.htm

This suggests based on historic attendances we are 55/92

Which would be about 11th in League One, which feels about our "default" position until the last few years.

Thanks for this, some interesting stats there.

Anything to avoid Venkman's Wrath!

Interesting to see the peaks and troughs. The early 2000s one always slightly puzzled me because we weren't bad then but I guess relatively it was worse than the eras immediately prior which probably had an effect. I'm sure it was a tenner into the Town End too back then.

Someone on Facebook posts the results on this day in previous years, on this day in 1982 we beat Port Vale at home 1-0 (thanks to a Paul Rideout goal) in Div 4 in front of a crowd of 3,602.

To put this in context it was the second biggest crowd in the division that day, The shitheads had a crowd of 4,877 & Notts County had a crowd of 8,061 in Division One

I remember back then if we broke 4k it was a good crowd. Our derbies with Shitty we only got around 5k and the same at Trashton Gate for the return game.

Chelsea were only getting gates of around 13,000 then, too.

I remember going to see us play at Stamford Bridge as late as 1994 and the crowd was only 11k and that was in the Premier League.