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Football violence on the increase up & down the country this season.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ub1e9Jc205k

Is it not just the usual combination of dickheads thinking they are "pwopa nawty", having way more beer, drugs or both etc. than they can handle so being a bit more "confident" and then to throw into the mix, the hiatus of not being able to attend live footy in person has created some kind of pent up cocktail of  incredibly coiled up angst?

It might be compared to something like that of a converted Monk who promised a vow of lifelong celibacy, only to leave the Monastery walls after a couple of years and shag everything in sight  :naughty:

Some would see it us a "rise" in violence, when it might just be that the dickheads have ultimately had an enforced vacancy via covid but now they are back and been let out of the swampy pond of life. It's all rather exciting for them I guess... :hmmm:

Agreed plus cocaine seems to be rife among that culture. Looking at the idiots attacking the wine bar their a lot older than youths so no chance of growing up.

I did specifically mention both drugs AND alcohol JQ (amongst other things), as too much of anything often ends up going south.

Also, I wasn't targeting one demographic of people as we all know there are dickheads in their 50s/60s and so on; which is probably worse than a dickhead in much earlier adulthood -but still not excusable.

I still stand by that it's a combination of too much drink/drugs/angst/a suppressed society, where those who likely often participate in this activity purely as a mechanism to "forget" about other things in life. Still no excuse in terms of being violent towards others or their property.

What I don't understand is why the Police won't think twice about beating the shit out of students/women/hippies/unions who are protesting but not up for violence, yet these complete fucking morons are allowed to walk about without so much as a slap on the wrist from our boys and girls in blue.

They should be met by the full force of the law if they are out looking for a pointless fight/causing civil disorder for the sake of it. Rebels without a cause (or a braincell in most cases)

For me, that wine bar has done nothing wrong.


Yeah, to be fair the police are notoriously easy going on football supporters.

A lot of football violence happens away from the ground pre/ post match.

 A portion of the costs of policing inside the grounds and within the footprint of the ground (car parks etc) are met by the clubs.

Your average police area commander has a rapidly dwindling budget so he/ she can't really afford the increase in police numbers that would be required to robustly and effectively police these incidents away from the grounds.

Probably because they treated us all like shit during 70’s and early 80’s.
Equally with modern technology you can expect an early morning raid if participating In organised football violence. Back in the 70’s it was often a 3 way battle between the rival fans and the Police.
No filming just a ruck.

Unbelievably lucky that only escaped with a friendly fire dig.
Witnessed some of the worst football violence way back then and rarely feel threatened these days and no issue taking my lads with me.
Looking back would never have taken them to many games where you expected trouble.

As society and culture continues to get more fragmented and people focused more and more into echo chambers, you have to wonder if that doesn't have some element of influence.

Drugs are obviously a massive part of this, the increase in coke use is obviously having an impact.

You have to wonder if the rise in open extremist groups, particularly right wing ones, has some influence as well. Football firms and right wing extremism have always gone hand in hand and I think it's something that definitely creates a feedback loop. On the weekend you get out and do a bit of 'casual violence' at football, the next you're trying to pick a fight with 'some moslem' bloke minding his own business on the street.

It could also be a lot of younger men are living at home for longer giving them more disposable income for their recreational fun which they mix with alchol on match days.

A general lack of repercussions doesn't help.

They will say down to lack of rescources!

They would be right.

Setting apart the points rightly made further up about the lack of (and rapidly dwindling) resources available to Inspector Knacker the legal process and courts are scandalous under funded now meaning a reduction in what actually gets that far and massive delays in the system, during which said defendant can still be out doing the same time and time again, knowing that as it drags on the chances of the whole thing getting dropped increase.

Who would've thought a generation raised on films and TV shows glorifying hooliganism would turn out to be.... hooligans.

Spot on.

I blame heavy metal music

Never heard of any firms following Rugby teams

Or tennis.

This got me thinking of other sports that people attend where you hear about trouble, aside from football and the only ones I can think of are horse racing and maybe Rugby League?

Traditional working class sports I suppose. although the trouble at horse racing is fairly recent if I'm not wrong?

And Grand Theft Auto too

Is there trouble at Rugby League, got a fair few mates who follow it home and away from my Wigan working days (all Warrington supporters!) and never seen any hints of trouble, albeit that is based purely upon their extensive Facebook postings on the topic.

Horse racing seems similar to football, lads who cannot take their ale and coke, albeit Racing tends to be something of a day out so possibly been on the booze longer than the football, plus you can drink throughout! Also from experience a rather peculiar mix of pissed toffs and chavs!

I think the RL 'trouble' is probably few and far between but I have heard of problems.

This article is from 2016 so may not be prevalent any more.

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/hooliganism-rugby-league-lovers-must-unite-against-it/

let's hope there's a punch up at the boxing Saturday

#khaaaaaaaaaaaaan

Darts


https://youtu.be/pMBySm2GjQ8

Test match cricket on fancy dress Saturday is Leary with lots of drinking but no crowd trouble.

Hopefully Khan gets ko’d

Ah yeah i'm sure there are some right 'tear ups' at boxing right enough.


Good shout on the darts. I went to a PDC event at Ally Pally one year and they put on double decker buses back into London somewhere. (I forget where) I suspect it wouldn't have been a kick in the arse off getting into the Guinness Book of records for most morons in a Double Decker bus at one time. 

can't really see a riot, but it was definitely the Catholics fault

Went to the PDC Premier League final at the O2 a few years back.
It was like being in some drunken football crowd. Not something I'd want to associate with.
Crap venue as well.

Don't be so hard on yourself  ;) :D

Hull City and Hull KR have had trouble that has made mainstream news before, off the top of my head.

I would imagine that Morris Dancing in Hull could lead to trouble?

Need another rave era as that killed the violence in the 90's. Everyone was too loved up on E's to want to fight eachother.

Depends where Morris is dancing.

For those lads having a go at RL, give over….home and away fans sit together with no problems whatsoever. I think YouTube has a lot to do with it and vids of ‘’ooligans’ becoming popular, plus when Pep starts wearing Stone Island you know there’s an issue.
Ultimately, young men have been told they’re cunts after recent political foci…….perhaps they’re just fulfilling that role?

A new generation of hooligans

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR--ToReeL8

Slightly misleading title and data there JQ. Not just "kids" or young adults who are generally more impressionable by their peers anyway. You often a lot of folk who "should know better" in their late 30s, 40s and 50s who are still out for a some "scrap n sniff".

The yuufff only add another generational layer to the problem of both alcohol and drugs abuse, associated with football (and likely some domestic) violence.

I think the point they are making there are a lot of young uns mixing in with the older ones!