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Simpson recalled

Over to you Ben Chorley, time to shine.

On another note, whilst I totally understand why we're reliant on loans this season I hope this changes longer term.

Well that was a bolt out of the blue.

Not exactly, been on the cards for a few weeks TBH.

Well as long as he goes straight into the squad or goes to a higher league, that's the whole point of the loan system to be honest

That may help him but doesn’t help us !!.

Proper ruined my Sunday this.

AFAIK its mostly due to his contract renewal issues and its unlikely he will be loaned out anywhere else and Ipswich have a plethora of strikers so I cant see him making any impact there TBH.

Bit of a shame. Hopefully we have others lined up. Would have liked us to try and sign Simpson permanently. He certainly isn’t the finished article but has a lot of attributes and has scored a fair few. I wish him luck in the future.

I suspect that the management knew before yesterday’s game.

They have known for several weeks TBH despite what Garner may come out with.

is it possible he comes back?

Are we allowed to put a bid in?

Its not ruled out, but then KKHs return isnt ruled out however low the possibliity.

If we pay off the EFL loan, so no.

Nothing “football” related this one, all about contract terms.
Ipswich not supporting the player here.

Don’t believe he is coming back.
If he is would be very surprised.

In what way? He’s not signing a deal there so they have recalled him to piss him off?

To try and flog him I’d say

Lot of comments on the ITFC forum, have a look yourself and try to make sense of it. https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/

or bully him into a new contract

Don’t personally see him as league one ready so am a bit surprised that they have recalled him at a time when Ipswich were just stringing some results together.  This might explain the extra effort he put in yesterday.  To many games where he hasn’t put the effort in for my liking and his decision making left a lot to be desired.  Need to find a new physical presence up front now then.

Not sure bullying is going to work TBH, likely to make him dig his heels in especially if there is ‘interest’ from elsewhere that would seem a better prospect than the tractor boys can offer. After all he only has four months to tough it out and I’m assuming by some of the comments that he is OOC in the summer?

A decent Forum to be fair well presented and looks like it's managed in a professional non personal manner.

It's all relative I guess Jimmy. It depends what else you're comparing it with?  :hmmm:

Yes, it does I agree.

Ipswich fans take on it.

https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/528650/page:1

This puts huge pressure on now, leaves us needing to add about 5 players now.

My guess is there is interest so they will sell him and as we cant buy any players there will be no offers from us to try and keep him sadly.
As he is one for the future if looked after correctly  and in the right team will probably be worth a decent fee in a couple of seasons.

Stop quying Qunt.

Nice

Shame. Liked him. He's not ready for owt else higher up the pyramid, but is one for the future.

Difficult player to replace for nothing.

would love to see Harry parsons given a short term start.his cameos have been brilliant and in a first 11 team I would like to see how he goes. previously I said why would Barry come to us if he was starting behind Simpson. Well...that's not an issue now

He’s not what we need though, he’s not a centre forward. He’s another generic attacking player and would provide anything in terms of hold up play. His chance needs to come as a second forward, probably if McKirdy is out not as the focal point.

Calm down Tony Angelino

I think this is the real issue.

That’s the big challenge here. He is the only player we have to play that holding centre forward role.
Our complete game plan puts so much emphasis on this and we’ve already questioned the inability to have an adequate plan B.
This has been a forced change not planned for.

Agree with you, not the finished article by some distance but pivotal to us right now.

I haven't seen him much so you may know better but he seemed to come on for Simpson and his hold up and headers looked very good. I know mckirdy and JML are very similar and we need a Simpson type- I thought parsons was more that type off limited viewings

He certainly isn't happy by the sounds of it

Source?

https://twitter.com/tyreecesimpson9/status/1485337884735455237?s=20

He never wanted to go back.
As stated this is Ipswich being a little spiteful.
Evidently his Mum has also added a comment that backs this up a little.

Thank you. I don't do the Twitter thing

Certainly looks as if that is final.

I wonder if it would be worth putting Gladwin up front. He has a decent presence, plenty of height, is skilful and can shoot. If he was further forward we also wouldn’t lose anything defensively by including him.

Thanks for the link.

Have picked out a link of Ty's goals.

It's been pretty special seeing young Ty develop at STFC.  We both still have progress to make.  I think we'll each be keeping an affectionate eye on how that rolls out for the other..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1485282019982684162 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1485282019982684162)

Any chance of a scenario that Ipswich are selling him to a club further up the chain who’ll send him back to us for the remainder of the season?

Bang on. He won't renew so they've recalled and are chucking him in the u23's to try and force it. Tossers.

This is what I have also heard.

If he sticks to his guns and is prepared to leave in the summer, he’d have a decent choice of clubs being a free agent. Hopefully, if we go up, it may be us.

presumably they would be owed a development fee, so 'free' isn't quite free

It’s relative to then offering him a contract right?
Internet suggests they have the option of an additional (3rd) year

I wonder if that’s triggered by # of U23 games played and/or involvement in the first team squad even if he’s just sat on the bench

interesting question DV.

that, or they hope he'll sign so he can come back here (or elsewhere)

Don’t forget, outside of the playing situation and the ying and yang between Swindon and Ipswich Tyreece will be in regular dialog with his agent. Yes, there may well be an option for another year which Ipswich would be entitled to trigger, however, in the longer term he and his agent may have other ideas about Tyreeces direction of travel and it may not include Ipswich. If Ipswich trigger any extension they would be within their contractual rights to sell him to the highest bidder.

Now Tyreece may have already made his mind up as to where he wants to go or indeed ‘stay’ and according to their forum IIRC he would be way down the pecking order for a starting place as it stands. As Tyreece alluded to, things change quickly and if he and his agent see that his immediate future lies elsewhere then clearly a clash of wills is going to ensue.

Thus taking him out of the shop window.

I see McGreal is the U23 manager there also.

I personally could see Simpson running down his contract and joining us in the summer. Ipswich could extend but if he's down the pecking order then that seems pointless and will anyone really put in a substantial bid for a 19-year old striker who's been hit and miss for half a season in L2? The tribunal route would be the most appropriate for Ipswich to go down, let him agree a contract with a club to join them in the summer and Ipswich can claim how much an impact they had in his development.

Wow you are pretty demanding. I don't think you could ever accuse Tyrese of a lack of effort. Some games it may have not happened for him but he never shirked. He was an incredibly hard working player.

Hit and miss? Fucking hell  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Been done to death but of course it's always going to be the problem with a loanee. I don't think you can grumble with a 19 year old striker coming in and scoring 11 goals in his first steps into first team football. I suspect Ipswich didn't think he'd do as well as he had and now are seeing the ££ signs given he is out of contract at the end of the season. He's miles down the pecking order at Portman Road so is unlikely to trouble the pitch there, but as clubs have to pay a premium for strikers they are obviously doing what they can to get as much money for him.

Worst comes to the worst, they offer him a contract renewal at equal terms to what he's on now which means that any club that wants him has to pay a development fee. Unfortunately that rules us out of the equation whilst under the Umbungo. 

Not next season though, still may have the loan but the embargo will be gone. Then that raises the question of what division we’re in, do we or would we want or need him and how much would he cost?

This is spot on.

And if we had a player out on loan who was in the same position this forum would be full of people moaning if our board were not doing exactly the same.

Gutted to see Simpson go. His trajectory of improvement has been immense. He would have hit around 20 goals this season I am sure.

For a 19 year old in his first season in football with the added weight of being the only out about striker at the club on his shoulders, he has been outstanding.

He will be an established championship player very quickly in my opinion. Pacy, strong, able to bully defenders and a good striker of the ball. His heading ability though .......

Absolutely this.

If he could improve his heading ability he would become a very very good striker he has the rest of his game, he improved game to game, yes he went missing at times but hes raw and hes young and every player has the occassional off day.

As he states we will always have a place in his heart, I feel he will have a place in almost every Town fans hearts too.

I hope he has a very long and very successful career ahead of him, the lad has bags of potential.

I don’t see why sticking him their under 23s will make him anymore likely to sign a contract.

Didn’t realise we had so many posters who work for ITFC either

I don't think we would.

Simpson scoring 20 goals in a season, albeit in L2, would raise his tribunal price if he left in the Summer.

If hes going to leave in the Summer anyway surely a striker with 20+ goals would get them a better tribubal fee than a striker who scored 11 goals.

Did he go missing, or was it his service went missing, only seen a couple of games in full but at least at Barrow he was making lots of decent runs movements and literally nothing was being played out of the midfield to him!

Seeing how well he came on here will hopefully encourage other teams to send us players for development.

You don't have to work for Ipswich to speak to a player and his family who are all very amiable people.

I thought this as well personally. I think some people really need to have a bit of a reality check!

Have we had definitive communication as to when the embargo would be lifted out of interest?

I watched every game he played for us other than Walsall and Crewe away in the FA cup and yes he went missing in a few games, away at Rovers he was awful, his touch poor and he looked disinterested, Carlisle home was similar.

He is allowed the occassional poor game as all players are, but he was never poor in 2 consecutive games ever.

As it stands as of today it will last until this summer unless we pay off the loan

Thanks SR. I wonder if given the income from the Man City game and the Scott Twine money as well as the extra income from the Rovers game (4k above break even - police costs) we might be tempted to pay off the loan quicker.

This is what I don't get either. Surely it was in Ipswich's interests to leave him here if the issue is contractual; unless one or a number of their strikers are off.

I think that Clem and the club are happy to follow the embargo rules to get the club on more of an even footing before they need to pay the loan back.

We are (were) currently competitive in the table against most of the expectation pre season so having an interest free loan that doesn't need to be paid back means that we have no rush to pay it back even if we have extra funds available due to being better on the pitch that we could have imagined we would be.

There are still rumours on the Ipswich forum that Norwood and possibly Jackson will be off in this window but that still leaves them with 4 recognised strikers ahead of Simpson.

Currently Norwood, Jackson, Bonne, Piggot, Chaplin, Aluko and Simpson.

My understanding of the AB notes is once the season is over and or the normal EOC time which is end of June? There definitely was mention in one of Aberdeen’s communique’s that they were advised not to pay it off and destabilise the club financially as it was interest free and once the season had expired we would be free from the embargo even if we still owed money as we had 4 years? To pay it off.

Yeah i would be absolutely amazed if the club pay it early. May make the fans happy but you are essentially looking at nearly 2m then to gamble on promotion this year. I can't imagine existing creditors would be happy either

The club must think if we can get the caliber of player we did in the summer under an embargo we will be in a very strong position next summer

Indeed, when you consider the players we got in last summer when it looked that we were mainly aiming for consolidation and little more I am reasonably hopeful that Ben2 can get an even higher calibre now we are a club up there in the table.

We have 3 EFL loans totalling £240,000. No doubt there is excess funds available to pay it off if needed.

Must admit it makes sense to get through this season, umbongo gets lifted and we pay it off over time.

I am not sure that's accurate Aud.

I'm pretty sure the big one is £1m.

It’s here from the last Advisory Board. All I can see is 3 loans.

That’s interesting, however, lest we forget we have no income from 30/4 when we play Barrow, unless we get in the play offs which is not a given and we may get some monies from the EFL regarding any EOS dues until PS friendliest. Ah, scrub that, season ticket sales, doh. You get where I’m coming from hopefully.

payable this season Aud.

The monitored grant isn't and so I wouldn't expect it to be included in the table.

I'd be absolutely delighted to be wrong

Yeah £240,000. Don’t forget a good wedge of the loans is recouped by the EFL not forwarding the next year’s funding each club gets every year. A lot of it was just money we would have got anyway being paid to us early.

All those debts come under the 20/21 season but I doubt it actually means the whole lot will be paid off by May.

Yeah I do. I think the Season tickets for next season are scheduled to go on sale the end of Feb or March IIRC? Hopefully given how on the ball the new owners seem to be, I assume the lack of income between the end of this season and next is all budgeted and accounted for.

I must admit I was under the impression this was all debts listed in the spirit of openness, but as you say maybe not, if that is the case interesting to know what it is not listed, as many people see those numbers reducing slowly.

I suspect there will be more to add on at some point with legal fee's for the ground deal, and the court cases, Twine tribunal etc I'm sure legal eagle's don't come cheap

I think Batch May be right. I looked at the initial Advisory Board and it does list EFL loans as £1m.

The overall debt was £4m. Payment plans have been put in place for HMRC and SBC, which are being paid down monthly.

As I posted earlier I’m not sure if part of the EFL loans were just an advancement of what we’d be due in a few months time and that will be clawed back from future payment and not actually physically repaid by the club.

if it's total loans = 1M I've certainly got my figures wrong..

From the initial AB

I am sure they said recently that the overall debt is now down to around £2.6M - i think that is the figure I remember

Yeah only a few days ago IIRC but I dont remember the exact figure mentioned but that sounds about right.

Yeah the figures they show now are based on this tears running debt i believe with the £1m on top as it's not being repaid

We did, we recalled him and played him because he was good enough. He didn't want to resign because of Power and left on a 'Free' to Franchise. I don't think anyone would endorse sticking someone in the u23s to essentially rot for a season out of spite. 

....Not forgetting Harry Parsons.

The table shows debts due this season and I believe we have 4 years to pay the biggest EFL loan back.  I thought the total debt was £2.3m (£1.5m this year and £0.8m for future years) but I could be wrong.

The rest have been recalled.  ;)

Nice little montage

https://youtu.be/EcztDwQiJjc

https://twitter.com/stuart_watson/status/1486113169420558337?s=21 Sort out the contract issue and send him back to us for the rest of the season?

Absolute joke

They did say there is a chance he will go out on loan again before the end of the window so we have to be in with a shout..

Now can we assume it's not an automatic renewal which has caused the issue.

Couple of lovely Gilbert assists in there! :)

Reading what their gaffer had to say, it seems like maybe there is some clause in his contract whereby he is able to get out of the 12 month option somehow or Ipswich won't be compensated much/at all if he is offered a new deal, and so Ipswich want to make sure his contract is amended/extended. (i'm guessing here so no idea how contracts properly work) Once that is sorted he'll be sent back on loan. (hopefully to us) They won't want to loan him to a fellow League 1 side so we should surely be in the box seat to properly develop him.

If they do loan him back out, it's a no-brainer that he he comes back here. (Now watch as he signs for Colchester)

If he does come back he has lost his shirt by the sound of it

I am sure we can order another one that fits :)

If Ipswich loan him out to another club, especially one in a higher league, they run the risk of Simpson not scoring much/not playing well which would affect his transfer price. Also, a pissed off footballer is unlikely to be a happy footballer.

Why does a player have to return to his parent club to sort out a contractual problem. Agent’s work, that.

Absolutely, or at worst a day trip back to Ipswich to sort it, not a fucking recall FFS.

As posted last week Ipswich can do what they want.
Rightly or wrongly football is brutal.

No reason he cant be sent out on loan after the window slams shut though

Pox are set to make a bid  :doh:

How does that work? The whole point of the window is that it curtails signings of any kind - except OOC players.

If they hold a 1 Year extension, does that extension have to be better than what he’s already on? Will Simpson be bound by their triggering of the extension whether he wants to or not?

If he refuses to sign and it gets to Feb 1 is that him finished at Ipswich?

Doubt it

Ipswich would never allow him to go to a promotion rival.

Could do with the proviso he goes out on loan from them to another L2 club.

I have heard Charlton & Oxford myself. That’s what is being side is Suffolk.

Charlton signed Chuks Aneke and Oxford are after Cole Stockton

If he ends up at Pox we won't be able to wish him all the best!

I'm only going by what I was told by someone, hopefully it's not true & we get him back.