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Title: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 21:10:59
Looks like Joey Barton is in more trouble

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/15682876/football-manager-joey-barton-charged-attacking-wife/amp/


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 21:17:43
That article says he's due in court tomorrow? Thats surely not correct?


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 21:19:06
That article says he's due in court tomorrow? Thats surely not correct?

Rich people can afford top lawyers so anything is possible


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 21:39:26
That article says he's due in court tomorrow? Thats surely not correct?

Article says he’s in court on Monday further down. Presumably it’s ‘tomorrow’ as the story will be in the paper on Sunday, so Monday is ‘tomorrow.’


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 21:40:54
Not much time to find a new manager 😀


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 21:42:00
Article says he’s in court on Monday further down. Presumably it’s ‘tomorrow’ as the story will be in the paper on Sunday, so Monday is ‘tomorrow.’

Ah ok. I figured as much. Danke


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 21:52:00
Rich people can afford top lawyers so anything is possible

Not necessarily


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 22:13:15
Didn't clock it was a link to the S*n  :crash:


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 22:14:25
Not necessarily

Steven Gerrard, Johnathan Woodgate & Lee Bowyer


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 22:15:23
Didn't clock it was a link to the S*n  :crash:

I couldn't find it in the daily Mail😀


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 22:24:53
Steven Gerrard, Johnathan Woodgate & Lee Bowyer

Not sure I wholly understand but that's no biggie


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 22:37:11
Not sure I wholly understand but that's no biggie

Two Seperate cases but all three guilty as sin and wealthy enough to pay for the best lawyers


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 03:35:44
Guilty or not, surely he can’t continue as a manager. Sponsors, fans - especially women - will shun the club. Isn’t he already on bail for assaulting the Barnsley manager?

Makes you wonder the thought processes involved in Rovers employing him in the first place.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 06:10:35
I totally agree he shouldn't continue as manager with two seperate court cases pending plus it's not good for the image of the club.


Title: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 08:53:00
innocent until proven guilty.

case for bringing the club name into disrepute, but what if he's found not guilty?


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 08:55:41
Garden leave


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 09:01:33
innocent until proven guilty.


This appears to be lost in all the noise created in the traditional media and social media.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 09:11:48
If found guilty it couldn't happen to a nicer bloke, and a nicer club and nicer set of fans.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 11:27:03
The silence from the club makes them look complicit and shows the complete lack of class


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: kaufman on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 11:35:10
https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/july/joey-barton-statement/
Be fair, they posted this an hour ago


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 11:36:52
I presume he informed the club when he was charged on 6 June. Since then they’ve allowed him to carry on with transfer business and all things pre season related.

If it blows up in their face tomorrow there’s nobody else to blame. By backing him after the event they do appear to be condoning it.

Would have thought the correct action would be gardening leave until after the case is settled. But who would take on his duties during that period?


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 11:38:45
Job for Sheriden  :pint:


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: kaufman on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 11:39:11
I presume he informed the club when he was charged on 6 June. Since then they’ve allowed him to carry on with transfer business and all things pre season related.

If it blows up in their face tomorrow there’s nobody else to blame. By backing him after the event they do appear to be condoning it.

Would have thought the correct action would be gardening leave until after the case is settled. But who would take on his duties during that period?

Unless he didn’t tell them and they found out about it last night…


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 11:44:25
Grounds for dismissal, that.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 11:58:12
The fact of the matter is - Barton and Rovers are a distasteful little match for one another. Where I come from, you can never condone laying your hands a woman.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 11:58:41
Grounds for dismissal, that.
Can't blame him for everything


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 19:51:26
Can't blame him for everything

 :clap:


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 19:56:49
Quote from: Jimmy Quinn
Job for Sheriden  :pint:

🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

even if it's just for if Barton gets put on gardening leave while he did his cases out


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, July 25, 2021, 19:58:23
He would only need a few months there to ensure they get relegated 😀


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 26, 2021, 09:55:59
Bit more detail. What a cnut

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/joe-barton-assault-charge-wife-georgia-kew-bristol-rovers-manager-b947644.html


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 26, 2021, 09:57:30
Barton is a bottom feeding pond life.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 26, 2021, 10:17:22
sounds a bit 'he said, she said' in court then.

difficult to prove.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 26, 2021, 10:18:25
So why are the friends not being called as witnesses?


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, July 26, 2021, 10:21:37
Barton is a bottom feeding pond life.
And his brother is serving Life for murder (racially motivated of course)...what a charming family...


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 26, 2021, 10:27:22
And his brother is serving Life for murder (racially motivated of course)...what a charming family...
Scallies and proud of it.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, July 26, 2021, 10:52:56
Bit more detail. What a cnut

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/joe-barton-assault-charge-wife-georgia-kew-bristol-rovers-manager-b947644.html
Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but, surely, it doesn't look good if a 'leader' of an organisation is involved in any altercation or 'drunken argument'? But, I guess, given his history, it was a known issue.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, July 26, 2021, 11:02:56
Ain't no smoke without fire


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 26, 2021, 11:09:15
Can't think of any redeeming features. Was it his brother, I always thought it was a cousin?


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, July 26, 2021, 11:11:17
Can't think of any redeeming features. Was it his brother, I always thought it was a cousin?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Anthony_Walker


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, July 26, 2021, 11:20:36
Oh yes my mistake...cousin. Still a lovely family though...


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Hunk on Monday, July 26, 2021, 11:48:30
Oh yes my mistake...cousin. Still a lovely family though...

Both his brother and his cousin are murdering scumbags.

I don’t understand how people can live with the guilt that this kind of behaviour should lead to, assuming they aren’t clinically psychopaths? I wouldn’t be able to live with myself


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, July 26, 2021, 12:00:33
Eventful life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Barton


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:34:23
I think the trouble with Barton is - that trouble finds him and quite often so.
Whether he always puts himself in that situation is another matter.

Barton is also essentially an intelligent thug in a suit. It could be the geographic stigma attached and predominantly working class background, that sways some people on their opinion of him. Before he even does anything.

I don't fully disagree with some peoples opinion on him though, more that I feel some would jump straight in due to his previous. What we don't actually know yet is all the detail. Obviously there was a domestic in which his wife obtained a head injury. How exactly we don't know. LAS didn't attend the scene. He could've thrown something (a hand, a fist, a plant pot, a most improved player trophy), he could've pushed her backwards and she hit her head on/knocked into something. She could've been antagonising him all night which led to an argument. Maybe they were both pissed off that their dealer hadn't delivered the goods as promised. Maybe they'd both had a bit too much powder and were both feeling very confident. It's also possible that he did indeed give her a right royal walloping with no provocation at all.

I'm not defending Barton btw, I don't know him personally but never really liked his footballing style, however he did sometimes tend to talk much more sense. This isn't some thicko but then again - wife abusers don't tend to be.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:36:42
Well, a witness said he grabbed her by the throat, pushed her out into the garden and kicked her in the head.

Somebody needs to give him a good kicking.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:42:42
Well, a witness said he grabbed her by the throat, pushed her out into the garden and kicked her in the head.

Somebody needs to give him a good kicking.
Nah, might knock some sense into him.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:54:18
Well, a witness said he grabbed her by the throat, pushed her out into the garden and kicked her in the head.

Somebody needs to give him a good kicking.

Which at present is all it is "a witness". Obviously if a completely true statement then he should be dealt the correct punishment. Witnesses can and do say some obscure things though. LIke making a story much more bigger than it was, sometimes not even recalling much and just filling bits in. There's been a lot of work done on studying witnesses and their statements.

What we still don't know is if that is completely accurate and even then, how did this situation come about? How did (if true) Barton come to have his hand around her throat? Was he provoked? Had he just found out she had just girthed every bloke in the property? Was it purely premeditated? Did he just stand up and grab her around the throat for no reason at all?

One thing I do know though, I used to wonder why a lot of women seemingly always ended up with totally disrespectful morons. Taking the glamour and aesthetic away of "oh well I do like a bad boy" - No you don't love, not really, no one wants to spend their life in fear of some abusive cunt. I've come to the conclusion that they too are also totally disrespectful morons.

Someone probably will give Barton a good kicking but I don't think that would help. He'd more than likely thrive off it. 


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, July 26, 2021, 16:20:16
Four pages on Joey Barton and no one's posted this yet  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgVZLuJ6Skk


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: JBZ on Monday, July 26, 2021, 17:12:18
Been watching too many repeats of 'Allo 'Allo


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: kaufman on Monday, July 26, 2021, 17:51:54
Barton will be put on garden leave and they’ll bring in McGreal on a short term deal…..probably.
Will fans boo McGreal when he returns? Probably. Should they? Nah.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Penmans Penalties on Monday, July 26, 2021, 17:56:46
The victims of abuse are not morons, breaking the circle of abuse is one of the hardest things to do. It can be done but easy it is not


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Bedford Red on Monday, July 26, 2021, 18:18:21
The victims of abuse are not morons, breaking the circle of abuse is one of the hardest things to do. It can be done but easy it is not

Agreed, i come across this quite a bit in my work. The amount of people  who have to be re-homed by the Council i work for because they are fleeing domestic violence is quite scary.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, July 26, 2021, 18:34:10

One thing I do know though, I used to wonder why a lot of women seemingly always ended up with totally disrespectful morons. Taking the glamour and aesthetic away of "oh well I do like a bad boy" - No you don't love, not really, no one wants to spend their life in fear of some abusive cunt. I've come to the conclusion that they too are also totally disrespectful morons.


Jesus wept!


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: tans on Monday, July 26, 2021, 18:46:29
Fuckin hell


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, July 26, 2021, 18:49:51
They forecast rain tomorrow


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: chalkies shorts on Monday, July 26, 2021, 19:20:15
Agreed, i come across this quite a bit in my work. The amount of people  who have to be re-homed by the Council i work for because they are fleeing domestic violence is quite scary.
A friend of mine has his own charity that works with the families of those that have lost close relatives through domestic violence. How the fuck he sleeps at night is beyond me. I helped him interview for people to work for him, fuck me that was bad enough. There is a side of this world that thankfully the vast majority of us will never know and long may it stay that way.  Coercive control is massive. Ryan Giggs etc.
Some people are cunts, end of. Joey Barton is one of them.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Hunk on Monday, July 26, 2021, 19:36:14
I also occasionally deal with domestic abuse in my role in education. The kind of parent that can hurt his/her own fucking flesh and blood will almost certainly be willing to deal it out to their spouse too. Never gets remotely easier to deal with or less infuriating. I sleep well knowing I’ve done my bit to help but how the hell these domestic abusers get a wink of kip I’ll never know


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, July 26, 2021, 19:42:25
I also occasionally deal with domestic abuse in my role in education. The kind of parent that can hurt his/her own fucking flesh and blood will almost certainly be willing to deal it out to their spouse too. Never gets remotely easier to deal with or less infuriating. I sleep well knowing I’ve done my bit to help but how the hell these domestic abusers get a wink of kip I’ll never know

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9826425/Man-guilty-killing-teenage-girl-called-father-abuse-claims.html


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: tans on Monday, July 26, 2021, 21:25:53
This fucking statement

https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/july/joey-barton-statement-update/


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, July 26, 2021, 21:30:53
This fucking statement

https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/july/joey-barton-statement-update/

That’s a shambles


Title: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 26, 2021, 21:45:03
victimless crime.

so who brought this to court if the wife doesn't want to press charges?


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: tans on Monday, July 26, 2021, 21:48:11
Quite, the CPS wouldnt authorise charging if there wasnt any victim or evidence


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, July 26, 2021, 21:54:46
victimless crime.

so who brought this to court if the wide doesn't want to press charges?

The police and CPS do prosecute crimes without the support of the victim. Not often but they do. If it is the public interest. This is the CPS's decision after encouragement from the police.

In a previous life, I dealt with domestic violence as a patrol officer- first on scene. It takes guts for the victim to go for it.

It is a heart wrenching thing having to tell two young kids that mum and dad aren't coming home again. She had her head caved in with a claw hammer. The coward did himself in by breathing his exhaust fumes.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, July 26, 2021, 21:59:47
The victims of abuse are not morons, breaking the circle of abuse is one of the hardest things to do. It can be done but easy it is not

For clarity. I never said they were.

Jesus wept!

I know you're well aware that the paragraph referenced above (mine that i'm quoting you from), was in isolation from the earlier parts regarding Barton. My point, that you will also be very aware of, is that a lot (that's A LOT and not ALL) of people do actually get into relationships with people who are similar to them. It's not exactly a wild assumption of human psychology.  Why do you think artificial Love Island types go for each other? Because one of them plays at the local Bridge Club and attends the British Legion each month?

I think your "Jesus wept" comment is a tad overreaction or an incredible misinterpretation of what I was saying. Might just be that you've secretly missed not being able to disagree with me of late. Haha ;) <<inferring friendly emotive tone.

Just to be clear (so it doesn't get further twisted amongst the TEFerati) "disrespectful moron" does not equate to "domestic abuser" and don't think that either.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 26, 2021, 22:01:41
Jesus fuzzy, not sure how you learn to live with that kind of thing.

I just meant if there was no victim the cps wouldn't have brought it to trial.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 07:50:40
Poor old Wayne is always the guilty party!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9827311/Wayne-Rooney-says-BLACKMAILED-pictures-asleep-three-women.html


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 14:18:00
Poor old Wayne is doing his best to worm his way out of his week end antics


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9834147/Three-party-girls-21-APOLOGISE-Wayne-Rooney-posing-slept-hotel-chair.html


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, July 30, 2021, 15:24:19
Jesus fuzzy, not sure how you learn to live with that kind of thing.

I just meant if there was no victim the cps wouldn't have brought it to trial.

You switch off as best you can then finish the shift with a quiet beer amongst crewmates.


Title: Re: Footballs bad guys
Post by: kaufman on Friday, July 30, 2021, 17:04:29
It was interesting to see these pictures side by side. The one on the left of his recent interview.
As well as the beard, I’d say that picture on the right is at least 4-5 years old.

https://twitter.com/kevinashford7/status/1419339416598978566?s=21

doesn’t excuse him being captured this way but still….