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Title: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 9, 2021, 13:08:40
Apparently only I can do these...

I'm not nervous yet. Right now I know that even if we lose, this is the best performance from an England team at a tournament in my lifetime and it's built on great foundations which should mean we have a good chance in the future.

I'm sure by Sunday it'll be death or glory.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: normy on Friday, July 9, 2021, 13:11:45
Dead right Nemo.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, July 9, 2021, 13:22:20
A lot of the foreign press appear to think we have been lucky with home games and decisions. They can go fuck themselves. We crushed Ukraine in our game away from Wembley. As for decisions, we've not been given one blindingly obvious wrong one.
Sunday will be tough with the Italians being favourites I'd imagine.
However it goes this group has done the country and themselves proud. I've got enough room for a bit more pride though should we win.
I'm not nervous yet as we are where we deserve to be. I'm quite chilled as whichever way it goes we've done well. And I'll forget all that on Sunday when I'll be on the piss and the adrenalin starts pumping.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, July 9, 2021, 13:28:16
The home game thing is grating on me. Every major tournament one team is at home for the whole thing. Whatís the difference?


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 9, 2021, 14:12:14
 :smugfu:


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 9, 2021, 14:28:50
The home game thing is grating on me. Every major tournament one team is at home for the whole thing. Whatís the difference?

I agree, however.....

You know as well as I do, if the boot were on the other shoe and say Scotland were in the final having played most of their games at Hampden whilst other teams had traipsed about round Europe, much of our support and media would be making exactly the same point at great length.

Similarly with the penalty against Denmark, it was given and that's that, however should the boot have been on the other foot the whinging from England fans would have been long, loud and equally tin pot and pathetic.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, July 9, 2021, 15:01:31
Poster of the tournament - Nemo.

I'm just still delighted we beat Germany. Getting to the final is an incredible effort. Arise Sir Gareth Fucking Southgate. 13 year old me forgives you for the penalty miss in '96.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, July 9, 2021, 15:19:43
Apparently only I can do these...

I'm not nervous yet. Right now I know that even if we lose, this is the best performance from an England team at a tournament in my lifetime and it's built on great foundations which should mean we have a good chance in the future.

I'm sure by Sunday it'll be death or glory.


Superstition... You've been a good omen Nemo!!  :pint:


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 9, 2021, 15:26:24
Quote from: Nemo

I'm not nervous yet. Right now I know that even if we lose, this is the best performance from an England team at a tournament in my lifetime and it's built on great foundations which should mean we have a good chance in the future.
.

you're right
but you're wrong.

finals are even hard for good sides to get to. Ask Belgium.

Let's finish this thing.

"There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain and they'll be made to suffer"


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, July 9, 2021, 15:28:00
Thoughts on Monday being a Bank Holiday?


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 9, 2021, 15:30:23
"There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain and they'll be made to suffer"

What from the hangovers from celebrating.... ;) :D

Thoughts on Monday being a Bank Holiday?

I have seen certain schools suggesting kids won't have to be in till 10.30 on Monday, albeit nothing from ours.

However, all changed anyway as got to the the young 'un to the dentist for 10.40 on Monday morning so she will be off in the morning anyway!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, July 9, 2021, 15:51:21
We're closing the business for the day.

Shame I've got a wife that's 34 weeks pregnant so I can't get shitfaced.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Friday, July 9, 2021, 16:26:00
Home advantage has been key in this tournament. All 4 teams who got to the semis all played their 3 group games at home. I donít think having more fans behind you is a massive advantage (even though it does help). Itís more the travel and commuting which is a pain as teams who played all 3 group games at home had more time to recover.

Overall the quality and standard of football in this tournament has been poor in comparison to prior tournaments. I think the travelling has been a major part of this as well as Covid.

Hopefully the standard will improve for the world cup next year.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 9, 2021, 16:36:07
Yes we had a very favourable draw - both with lack of travel and the teams we played. Yes, we had the rub of the green on a couple of occasions. But, I think you make your own luck. I also think that we have been solid across the team and replacements coming in have not weakened the starting 11.

I don't think we have had stand out performers (like a Ronaldo or Modric) but haven't needed them. The team has worked for eachother.

I think Italy have done something similar. However, I think they have that bit of extra star quality and may unfortunately produce a single moment of magic that will unlock the final. I hope not, as I would love to see England win - obviously. But an England win or Swindon stay up ? I know what I want more!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Friday, July 9, 2021, 16:39:27
Thoughts on Monday being a Bank Holiday?

Nah. Good opportunity for businesses to paint themselves in a good light and show some flexibility, however


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Friday, July 9, 2021, 16:45:15
Yes we had a very favourable draw - both with lack of travel and the teams we played. Yes, we had the rub of the green on a couple of occasions. But, I think you make your own luck. I also think that we have been solid across the team and replacements coming in have not weakened the starting 11.

I don't think we have had stand out performers (like a Ronaldo or Modric) but haven't needed them. The team has worked for eachother.

I think Italy have done something similar. However, I think they have that bit of extra star quality and may unfortunately produce a single moment of magic that will unlock the final. I hope not, as I would love to see England win - obviously. But an England win or Swindon stay up ? I know what I want more!

Aight, no brainier I would have preferred Swindon to stay up.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 9, 2021, 16:46:43
Quote from: Boy About Town
Thoughts on Monday being a Bank Holiday?

not happening. But a future one, yes. if we win it


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 9, 2021, 16:47:16
IF England win we can expect all the negatives to come bleating out of the usual suspects. Poor tournament, home advantage, get all the decisions, never a penalty, blah blah blah.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 9, 2021, 16:50:05
Aight, no brainier I would have preferred Swindon to stay up.
No! Not past tense, future tense! I meant Swindon stay in the league this year!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Arriba on Friday, July 9, 2021, 17:00:47
I ain't got a clue how this is going to go. The Denmark game was easier to predict but this is another thing completely. I think my head's saying Italy will win as they know how to do it, but my heart says we'll blow them away. We need to keep discipline as they will be playing the foul diving/feigning game for sure. Hopefully the ref is strong as that will benefit us.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Sippo on Friday, July 9, 2021, 18:25:46
England win - fights and pissed up cunts fighting.

England lose - fights and pissed up cunts fighting.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 9, 2021, 19:01:42
Which is why I'll be watching at home.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Banker on Friday, July 9, 2021, 19:11:49
.......We need to keep discipline as they will be playing the foul diving/feigning game for sure.......

We're no longer slouches in that department either !


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 9, 2021, 19:25:42
Stories on twitter that there has been quote an outbreak of the rona close to the Italy camp (media etc).

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Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: donkey on Friday, July 9, 2021, 19:30:49
A lot of the foreign press appear to think we have been lucky with home games and decisions. They can go fuck themselves. We crushed Ukraine in our game away from Wembley. As for decisions, we've not been given one blindingly obvious wrong one.
Sunday will be tough with the Italians being favourites I'd imagine.
However it goes this group has done the country and themselves proud. I've got enough room for a bit more pride though should we win.
I'm not nervous yet as we are where we deserve to be. I'm quite chilled as whichever way it goes we've done well. And I'll forget all that on Sunday when I'll be on the piss and the adrenalin starts pumping.

Cheers Chalkies. You've summed up my thoughts better than I could.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: donkey on Friday, July 9, 2021, 19:33:25
"There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain and they'll be made to suffer"

I feel the need to get into a classic mini.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 10, 2021, 21:01:53
Right then, nowt else to do tonight so I've written a quiz to keep you busy in the build up. England then and now, 20 questions. All questions refer to the England senior men's side only unless otherwise stated.

Then
1. Name the two players have been sent off for England more than once

2. Which permanent England manager has the lowest win percentage at 38.9%?

3. What was the final score in the England v Germany match at the 2010 World Cup, best remembered in England for Frank Lampardís clear goal not being given?

4. The Euro 1996 penalty shoot-out in which Gareth Southgate famously missed had seen all of the first eleven penalties scored by both teams. Name any three of the five England players to successfully convert from the spot.

5. Who were the fourth side who shockingly topped Group D in World Cup 2014, finishing ahead of Uruguay, Italy and England?

6. Who is Englandís most capped defender?

7. What is the best finishing position at a European Championships for the England womenís national team, achieved in both 1984 and 2009?

8. Who has the most caps: Wes Brown, Michael Gray, Rob Green, Ben White or Jamie Red-knapp?

9. Who is Englandís youngest ever full international player?

10. How many Tudor roses are on the England crest?


Now
11. There are six teams that have two or more players in the final Euro 2021 squad - name those clubs

12. How many goals have England scored in the tournament before the final?

13. Where was the one England game held away from Wembley played?

14. Who are Englandís backup goalkeepers in the current squad?

15. Who was the first England player booked in this tournament?

16. Who is the oldest player in the England squad?

17. How many teenagers are in the England squad?

18. Who started Englandís opening game against Croatia at left back?

19. Who is the only outfield player to have played every minute of Englandís tournament so far?

20. How many members of this squad have more caps than their manager, Gareth Southgate, who won 57 in his England career?


Will post the answers tomorrow afternoon.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, July 10, 2021, 21:38:33
Two best teams in tournament. I backed Italy at 11s. I hope I lose. It's a 50/50 match up.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, July 10, 2021, 21:43:36
If we're getting beat with 20/25 minutes to go I want Grealish, Sancho, Fodden (if fit) Sterling and Bellingham all on the pitch


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, July 10, 2021, 21:45:54
Aight, no brainier I would have preferred Swindon to stay up.

Its a common fan question between teams but in my lifetime I have seen swindon promoted 5 times and relegated 7 times. Success for England...nope just continuous heartbreak.

I would never want Swindon to be relegated and would like nothing more than for us to climb the leagues. But last season was a complete waste of a year and we are back to where we were so i might break the ranks on this and would love to see some national success. To see the whole country buzzing is a special thing to enjoy  


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 10, 2021, 21:46:37
Defence wins championships. I predict a one nil win for the successful nation.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, July 10, 2021, 21:50:16
IF England win we can expect all the negatives to come bleating out of the usual suspects. Poor tournament, home advantage, get all the decisions, never a penalty, blah blah blah.

100% for sure and it started early in the tournament. Iv developed quite a good fuck them attitude over the years. It always happens against us so fuck em. It was my exact same thoughts when they showed that little german girl crying. fuck her they have won stuff more recently than us- where was the sympathy for me when i was a young lad crying at euro 96. In years to come the year will have a name of the winner against and few will remember the way it happened in tiny moments in a match


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, July 10, 2021, 21:59:24
A decent post for the nation  :clap:


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Super Hans on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 00:30:00
They go 1 up. Harry Maguire late equaliser. Sancho winner for us in extra time.

Shitting myself...going to watch the Copa America final as a bit of a warm up.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:05:48
It was my exact same thoughts when they showed that little german girl crying. fuck her they have won stuff more recently than us- where was the sympathy for me when i was a young lad crying at euro 96.

The sympathy was not for her crying but for the disgusting & vile racist abuse people were posting alongside the photo of her crying


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:39:07
The sympathy was not for her crying but for the disgusting & vile racist abuse people were posting alongside the photo of her crying

only saw it live on TV.

such a hard game to call. we do have winners in our team. I'm sure I will see the lineup and doubt it once more. Will be interesting to see how tight the match is, subs will be huge once again


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:14:18
The sympathy was not for her crying but for the disgusting & vile racist abuse people were posting alongside the photo of her crying
Yes, no place for that in society. Nor in attacking the Danish chap and his family after the last game


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 10:15:50
Nerves not set in yet but I am sure they will when I start to hear the build up later especially when the crowd sing Its Coming Home or Sweet Caroline.

Unlikely to be many goals in this game, both sides will set up ultra defensive and hope to not slip up early in the game with a cagey start by both teams.

Called it right last time.

Don't underestimate ther Danes they will not be a pushover, I expect a single goal will win for England and probably in extra time.

I predict a single goal win in normal time, hopefully for us.

A close game of few chances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_uOAng9Yas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxiRvOp887c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6BDncfgm9s

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 11:33:13
Hoping Pickford has his head screwed on right today


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 12:04:49
Hoping Pickford has his head screwed on right today
He has been playing really well until the last game then 1 silly mistake and his mind went awol for ages afterwards.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 13:35:39
A thought: who serves vindaloo in a bucket anyway?


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 14:21:06
If social media is to believed its already getting a bit nawty in central London, I dread to think what happens if we lose?

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 14:40:07
Those quiz answers in full, by the way...

Then
1. Name the two players have been sent off for England more than once (1 point each)
David Beckham (v Austria 2005, Argentina 1998), Wayne Rooney (v Portugal 2006, Montenegro 2011)

2. Which permanent England manager has the lowest win percentage at 38.9%?
Kevin Keegan (1999-2000)

3. What was the final score in the England v Germany match at the 2010 World Cup, best remembered in England for Frank Lampardís clear goal not being given?
Germany 4-1 England

4. The Euro 1996 penalty shoot-out in which Gareth Southgate famously missed had seen all of the first eleven penalties scored by both times. Name any three of the five England players to successfully convert from the spot.
Shearer, Platt, Pearce, Gascoigne, Sheringham

5. Who were the fourth side who shockingly topped Group D in World Cup 2014, finishing ahead of Uruguay, Italy and England?
Costa Rica

6. Who is Englandís most capped defender?
Bobby Moore (108 caps) - Ashley Cole has 107, unlucky if that was your guess!

7. What is the best finishing position at a European Championships for the England womenís national team, achieved in both 1984 and 2009?
Runners-up

8. Who has the most caps: Wes Brown, Michael Gray, Rob Green, Ben White or Jamie Red-knapp?
Wes Brown with 23

9. Who is Englandís youngest ever full international player?
Theo Walcott - 17 years and 74 days in 2006. Rooney and Bellingham are second and third.

10. How many Tudor roses are on the England crest?
Ten - blame Baddiel & Skinner for not including that fact in the lyrics of Three Lions.

Now
11. There are six teams that have two or more players in the final Euro 2021 squad - name those clubs (1 point for 5, 2 points for all six)
Man City 4, Man Utd and Chelsea 3, Everton, Borussia Dortmund and Aston Villa 2 each

12. How many goals have England scored in the tournament before the final?
Ten - two in the group, two against Germany, four against Ukraine and two against Denmark

13. Where was the one England game held away from Wembley played?
Rome (QF vs Ukraine)

14. Who are Englandís backup goalkeepers in the current squad?
Sam Johnstone and Aaron Ramsdale

15. Who was the first England player booked in this tournament?
Phil Foden v Croatia

16. Who is the oldest player in the England squad?
Kyle Walker (born 28 May 1990)

17. How many teenagers are in the England squad?
Two - Bukayo Saka is 19, Jude Bellingham turned 18 mid-tournament. Foden, James and Sancho are all 21

18. Who started Englandís opening game against Croatia at left back?
Kieran Trippier

19. Who is the only outfield player to have played every minute of Englandís tournament so far?
Kyle Walker (John Stones is close, but was subbed in the 80th minute of the  Czech Republic game)

20. How many members of this squad have more caps than their manager, Gareth Southgate, who won 57 in his England career?
Four -  Sterling (67), Henderson (63), Walker and Kane (both 60)


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 14:42:15
If social media is to believed its already getting a bit nawty in central London, I dread to think what happens if we lose?

Sent from my SM-A125F

A lot of people aren't making kick off, are they?

Met keeping well away, must have a candlelit vigil that needs breaking up somewhere.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 14:53:46
Help me out guys,   absolutely no idea which way this one's going to go,  free £10 bet waiting to be used and for the first time ever, not a clue what or who to put it on,  any ideas ???, Be stupid not to use it.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 15:11:14
Fucking bring it on you bunch of bell whiffs.

https://lovebylife.com/the-whole-world-is-supporting-italy-rome-newspapers-claim-no-one-wants-england-to-win-euro/


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 16:01:34
I'm starting to get a bit edgy now and the roads by me are already getting quiet :pint:


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 16:22:21
We're playing wing backs, Trippier for Saka according to the usual sources who've got the early team news most of the tournament.

I can see the logic. More conservative option but it matches up pretty well and gets a top class free kick taker onto the pitch.

Enormous amount of firepower on the bench when we need it.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 16:27:43
Wondering If he will keep the same 3 in midfield


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: moredonboy on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 16:52:42
https://twitter.com/i/status/1414220915274092553

Leicester Sq 2 hours ago


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 16:57:55
Fucking bring it on you bunch of bell whiffs.

https://lovebylife.com/the-whole-world-is-supporting-italy-rome-newspapers-claim-no-one-wants-england-to-win-euro/

No one likes us, we don't care  :smugfu:


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 17:36:27
Honourable 2nd place finish for Italy in the tennis.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:05:09
Isn't there normally a 3/4th place game?

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Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:05:54
Isn't there normally a 3/4th place game?

Sent from my SM-A125F
Not in Euros since 80s


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:06:11
Bit late now! I think it's only in the World Cup


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:06:23
Don't think there in the Euros, don't remember one in 96 anyway.

I've opened the wine, made it much further through the day than I thought I might.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:07:55
Those quiz answers in full, by the way...

Then
1. Name the two players have been sent off for England more than once (1 point each)
David Beckham (v Austria 2005, Argentina 1998), Wayne Rooney (v Portugal 2006, Montenegro 2011)

2. Which permanent England manager has the lowest win percentage at 38.9%?
Kevin Keegan (1999-2000)

3. What was the final score in the England v Germany match at the 2010 World Cup, best remembered in England for Frank Lampardís clear goal not being given?
Germany 4-1 England

4. The Euro 1996 penalty shoot-out in which Gareth Southgate famously missed had seen all of the first eleven penalties scored by both times. Name any three of the five England players to successfully convert from the spot.
Shearer, Platt, Pearce, Gascoigne, Sheringham

5. Who were the fourth side who shockingly topped Group D in World Cup 2014, finishing ahead of Uruguay, Italy and England?
Costa Rica

6. Who is Englandís most capped defender?
Bobby Moore (108 caps) - Ashley Cole has 107, unlucky if that was your guess!

7. What is the best finishing position at a European Championships for the England womenís national team, achieved in both 1984 and 2009?
Runners-up

8. Who has the most caps: Wes Brown, Michael Gray, Rob Green, Ben White or Jamie Red-knapp?
Wes Brown with 23

9. Who is Englandís youngest ever full international player?
Theo Walcott - 17 years and 74 days in 2006. Rooney and Bellingham are second and third.

10. How many Tudor roses are on the England crest?
Ten - blame Baddiel & Skinner for not including that fact in the lyrics of Three Lions.

Now
11. There are six teams that have two or more players in the final Euro 2021 squad - name those clubs (1 point for 5, 2 points for all six)
Man City 4, Man Utd and Chelsea 3, Everton, Borussia Dortmund and Aston Villa 2 each

12. How many goals have England scored in the tournament before the final?
Ten - two in the group, two against Germany, four against Ukraine and two against Denmark

13. Where was the one England game held away from Wembley played?
Rome (QF vs Ukraine)

14. Who are Englandís backup goalkeepers in the current squad?
Sam Johnstone and Aaron Ramsdale

15. Who was the first England player booked in this tournament?
Phil Foden v Croatia

16. Who is the oldest player in the England squad?
Kyle Walker (born 28 May 1990)

17. How many teenagers are in the England squad?
Two - Bukayo Saka is 19, Jude Bellingham turned 18 mid-tournament. Foden, James and Sancho are all 21

18. Who started Englandís opening game against Croatia at left back?
Kieran Trippier

19. Who is the only outfield player to have played every minute of Englandís tournament so far?
Kyle Walker (John Stones is close, but was subbed in the 80th minute of the  Czech Republic game)

20. How many members of this squad have more caps than their manager, Gareth Southgate, who won 57 in his England career?
Four -  Sterling (67), Henderson (63), Walker and Kane (both 60)


I did better at that than I thought I would, only 3 wrong. Thanks for posting, took my mind off the game itself for a while.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:24:28
Fucking come on England!!!

Enjoy your evening everyone  :pint:


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:25:06
Foden sounds like he's out of the 23 with his knock.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:40:39
Wing backs it is, no Saka in the starting XI. Suspect Mount will sit on Jorginho and Kane will play deeper to try and replicate the success Olmo had against Bonucci and Chiellini. Walker and Maguire to match up with Chiesa and Insigne.

Let's hope it works.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Private Fraser on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 18:41:03
Here we go again FFS!

https://twitter.com/therealruncey/status/1414278655560278027?s=21


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 19:22:22
Sounds like a bit of a mess outside Wembley. Let's hope it all goes a lot smoother inside.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 19:41:32
For god sake, what is wrong with these morons?


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 19:43:50
Ah, a closing ceremony. That's what we were all hoping for.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 19:52:08
Oddly the atmosphere is louder on ITV


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 19:53:56
Oddly the atmosphere is louder on ITV

BBC probably trying to silence the booing of the Italian national anthem.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 19:58:01
What a start !


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 19:59:33
Scored too early.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:00:42
Ha, I missed the goal switching to ITV  :D


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:02:20
Italy dive number 1


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:06:00
What a finish that is from Shaw


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:08:11
So much space on that right.
Itís like Italy arenít even playing a left back.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:08:26
Stick Kane in midfield, his vision is ace.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:09:29
Harry Kane is playing like prime Pirlo.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:11:02
England have the Italian full backs on bruschetta


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:11:29
Hold on Kane was rubbish two weeks ago😀


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:25:57
Hold on Kane was rubbish two weeks ago😀

No.

He was playing rubbish a few weeks ago. Huge difference.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:26:44
Not playing to his strengths which they are now!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:27:55
Cagey game. Italians starting to play better now but neither team creating any chances (other then the goal of course).


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:29:06
I wish we wouldn't drop so deep


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:41:56
I wish we wouldn't drop so deep

Just what I was thinking.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:43:17
Italy better team overall but havenít created any major chances. England defence has looked comfortable.

Italy will have to push more men forward in the second half and England will have chances to pick Italy off.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:46:23
Italy have only had the last 15  ???


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:46:51
I feel sick😵


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 20:51:28
Very enjoyable half, in as much as anything like this can be enjoyable. We might not win this game, but we've come to win and with a plan and the players to execute it.

First the goal. What a start - amazing from start to finish - four incredible bits - the ball from Kane, Walker's run, Trippier's cross and Shaw's finish. If you stopped the game and asked them what they wanted to do, every one would describe exactly what happened - perfect execution and calmed any nerves about the formation immediately.

No doubt Italy grew into the game, but England have dropped off the second part of the first half in every game and we've defended well and still look very dangerous on the break. Shaw is playing exceptionally in defence and attack, Kane is playing the template Olmo wrote in the semi brilliantly.

Italy are a good side, there's every chance they come back at us especially through Chiesa who looks bright, but they have weaknesses in both full back positions

The referee seems keen to let anything short of actual GBH go, which is frustrating at times but I think will benefit us more on balance.

Come the fuck on England.




Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:05:44
We won't learn giving stupid fouls away in dangerous positions


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:09:00
Referee having a great game. Not falling for the simulation diving from both teams.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:15:28
Still sitting too deep.

I know weíve defended well in this tournament, but wish we could get hold of the ball and play in their half for a bit


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:18:21
Yeah spot on much too deep


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:18:41
Southgate needs to change something here.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:22:26
1-1. Been coming.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:23:03
Fuck sticks


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:23:09
Playing too deep Inviting them towards goal


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:23:26
We've been playing the wrong game this half. It was coming


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:23:30
Footballs not coming home!!

Dropping to far back, no outlet!!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:24:52
At the moment we're not much of a threat going forward


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:25:43
Only one team winning this as it stands

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Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:27:08
Rather that than fucking penalties


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:27:24
Sadly agree with you as they have all the momentum


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:31:31
Barring the first 20 minutes we have been dog shite!!

Only 1 team deserves to win and its not England!!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:36:22
Can't sit back on an early lead.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:37:16
We need to attack rather than chasing shadows


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:40:27
15 shots to 3  :cry:


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:40:42
Saka having a bit of a stinker here...

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Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:41:53
Need Grealish  and Sancho on


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:43:35
Whatever the result, I personally think the Italians have been the best team in the tournament.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:44:23
What a phenomenally stupid time to invade the pitch.

Wembley security appear to have had a fucking nightmare of a day.

In the break, disappointing half but there are two teams in the game and Italy are playing at their absolute best. No striker, no problem - playing like Spain did against them.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:53:02
Unfortunately, I think it's gone.😢


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:54:54
We need to be a bit more cynical. Almost all of their team on yellows now from professional fouls to snuff out our attacks - we've had none at all right? Sometimes you need to take a man out.

We have quality on the bench. Italy ruled the second half but haven't got a winner. I still believe.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 21:57:53
Come on Gareth we need changes now


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:14:55
This is going to the dreaded P word.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:16:57
Let's hope Grealish wins one.

Come on England. You've done us proud, one last push.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:18:51
Players are tired yet fresh legs on the bench still😳


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:26:27
Dirty bastard


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:30:18
Very dirty and boy do they like to exaggerate their pain threshold


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:36:38
Penalties. I'm out.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:37:19
Oh to be a goalie now. No pressure and you can be a hero if you make the vital save.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:37:55
They've done us proud come what may. Now bring it home


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:47:44
Called both those.
Stupid run ups.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:50:33
Unbelievable 😢


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:50:42
Too cocky for me


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:51:36
Right result overall. Rashford needs to stop hanging out with pogba.

Shithousery at its finest there from the Italian player shouting itís coming to Rome.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:52:01
Ah well. We are getting better. Still need to practice penalties. Fucking hate em.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:52:54
Been a nice ride but was always going to be a big test and found out tactically. From half time onwards everything Southgate tried backfired summed up by bringing on players to take pens and both missing.  The heat of Qatar will be too much IMO so 2024 is the next target I guess!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:53:47
Aw fuck.

Heartbreaking end but that is nothing to be cross about. We played well, Italy played well and it could have gone either way.
 This is a startlingly young team and there are so many talented players there.

They did us proud. I hope the country reacts the way this team deserve.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:54:55
Doesnt matter does it.  Just a football match.  Much more disappointment and joy ahead.  


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:56:13
Ive got a front room of family and friends being upset.  I've managed to just not get involved too much. 


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:56:53
Very proud of this team. They had a poor second half but I think they bosses the extra time. It is what it is. Just glad Iím actually looking forward to seeing England play in next yearís World Cup, Iíve not felt excited about England for a very long time


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:58:43
Very proud of this team. They had a poor second half but I think they bosses the extra time. It is what it is. Just glad Iím actually looking forward to seeing England play in next yearís World Cup, Iíve not felt excited about England for a very long time

Agree entirely. Second half of normal time was all Italy bar maybe the last ten minutes but we were right in the game in extra time. Italy are an excellent side and it's no shame to run them this close.

This team deserve immense credit and I hope we don't get too bogged down in what ifs


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:58:48
fucking penalties. fucks sake. fuck off football


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:58:58
World Cup semi, euros final. We're doing better than most. Fuck the twats who make digs, their nations are fucking nowhere to be seen  :smugfu:


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 22:59:51
I've just had a relative tell me that England - The Euro 2020 finalists - are shit at football.

I've decided against engaging with them.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:00:16
We played well for 20 mins in the first half & a 10 min spell in ET, other than that we have been outplayed.

Not a fan of bringing players on just to take a penalty, just too much pressure on them.
Surprised Saka took one & Grealish didnít

That said, we would have taken making the final before the tournament, just hope we can improve from here


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:01:03
Great effort but feel Southgate got it wrong tonight and sat back when he could have made the attacking subs in the second half when we were tired and pinned back


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:03:07
People say we were outplayed, but I don't think we were. We sat back too much, that was the problem. Italy had all the ball because of that. When we went forward we rattled them. Pity we sat so deep.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:03:58
England have a good up and coming team. I donít think they will win the World Cup in Qatar next year due to the heat as England donít dominate possession against the better teams. However good chance to win the next euros.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:05:40
Agreed but inviting trouble sitting back for so long.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:06:05
People say we were outplayed, but I don't think we were. We sat back too much, that was the problem. Italy had all the ball because of that. When we went forward we rattled them. Pity we sat so deep.

In that case you canít really say England outplayed Denmark as this game was the role reversal of that game.

Itís difficult to go forward when the other team are just better in possession. Its getting the right mix between attack and defence.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:06:20
People say we were outplayed, but I don't think we were. We sat back too much, that was the problem. Italy had all the ball because of that. When we went forward we rattled them. Pity we sat so deep.

Donít feel like we were outplayed either. Italy the better team but not by much


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:06:58
Thought all the way through that Italy were the best team in the competition. I think we all dared to believe, especially after the brilliant start to the game. If only we could have created a second chance in the first half

Can't believe that we thought we'd keep them out for 88 mins!

Thought the ref did well.



Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:07:43
Just realised this is a repeat of euro 96 against Germany.  Shearer scores within 3 minutes, Germany equalise and win on pens.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:08:07
Also disappointed Sterling didn't take a penalty as he's scored a few for City


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: chalkies shorts on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:08:33
The first 25 were ours. The next 65 theirs. Extra time pretty even. They were as cynical as usual and shithousery always wins. They are the masters at it.
Penalties are a lottery, we lost. Fair play the youngsters stepped up. The Pickford save from jorginho was excellent.
This group of players have done us proud and they will have learned.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:08:38
Donít like this taking off of the medals. Empty gesture


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:09:15
Also disappointed Sterling didn't take a penalty as he's scored a few for City
Missed a lot as well, heís not a penalty taker.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:09:51
Neither is Saka


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:10:15
Missed a lot as well, heís not a penalty taker.

Neither is Saka, but he has an awful lot less experience.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:10:32
Neither is Saka

Jinx


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:11:55
Good post😀


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:12:15
Neither is Saka
But rightly or wrongly he chose to step up. The penalties are what they are, our conservatism and not kicking on is what cost us.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:14:41
Agreed and as I said earlier Southgate didn't change things when we were pegged back for much of the second half


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:15:24
But rightly or wrongly he chose to step up. The penalties are what they are, our conservatism and not kicking on is what cost us.

If Sterling or Graelish wanted to take the decision away from him, Iím sure they could have insisted (could be completely wrong about that assertion)


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Sippo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:17:28
Italy were the better side for the last 60 mins. England did well and should be proud. Feel for saka. 19 years old. Hopefully won't affect him too much mentally.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:17:51
Yep, we sat back too much. Italy are very good but we made them look so much better. Like they were camped in our half for the last 70 mins of the first 90. They were always going to score if given enough opportunities. Big mistake. When we pushed they were uncomfortable. We should have put them under a lot more pressure in the second half. That cost us.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:19:31
Five years ago Iceland happened. We've come so far in that time. The building blocks are there, the system is working. Keep the faith.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:21:26
I think we lost the tactical battle not just on penalties


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:21:47
As I said earlier, World Cup SF in 2018, finalists in Euro 2020. Great stuff. Just need to finish the job. Football is coming home even if the cup is a little way behind  :)


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:23:11
Did well and should be proud

But tonight was about winners and losers. We lost. Not got another 55 years to wait for another crack.

it's a bit raw now, I'm sure everyone will look back at our last 2 competitions as the successes they were

but we were so so bloody close


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:24:57
What frustrates me is we could have won if we had changed personnel and attacked them 


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, July 11, 2021, 23:25:42
Itís hard to get up the pitch when you have 34% possession in the game. England played 7 defensive players and 3 attacking players. Against better quality teams itís always going to be hard


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Moss on Monday, July 12, 2021, 00:03:24
Italy were the best team in the tournament. We went further than Belgium, France, Spain etc. Got to be happy with that. More importantly for me we had a unified team and fan base that represented an England of today - celebrated our diversity and hopefully banished forever the right wing meat head support England teams had to put up with in the past. Well played boys.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 12, 2021, 00:18:22
We had 34% possession because we sat too deep. Italy were good but not exceptional. On the back foot they looked poor.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, July 12, 2021, 00:52:50
Itís disappointing, but how many of that squad will be gonners by next Christmas??

France won in 2018 after losing the 2016 final
Germany won in 2014 after losing the 2010/12 semis

I think thereís valid criticism for being too defensive in todayís final, but the ambition was always semis in 2020, win 2022. Were on track


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 12, 2021, 06:03:32
I donít thing England necessarily choose to sit deep. Italy just pushed us back. It was possibly the right decision to be compact and not lose the game.
However, once Chiesa went off - that was when we should have opened the game up. He was by far and away Italyís main threat. All their attacks came through him.

We definitely should have gone for it in extra time. It was there to be won in that window imo.

No clue on the process behind picking penalty takers. Do they volunteer? Does Southgate pick his best 5 from training? It was strange to put two players on for a minute to take penalties. Even with the best warm up they arenít in the game and havenít had touches of the ball. If theyíd played the last 15 would that have made a difference either to the result in extra time or their penalties?

A lot of people questioning why the more experienced players didnít take the penalties but when you think about the only really experienced players on the pitch who didnít take one were Sterling & Stones!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 12, 2021, 07:33:57
Italy didn't allow us to play, but we should have done the same to them. We didn't.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: bennett on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:08:52
Well done on getting to the final, gutted for the lads who missed penalties.
Thought the subs were a bit strange - saka as right attacker is good, but he was clearly told to track Emerson, you could see he was torn each time the Italians had the ball.
There didn't seem to be a plan to do something different from attacking set pieces as Chiellini and Bonucci were dominant in the air.
Thought the ref and lack of VAR was strange all game. The Jorginho yellow i thought could easily have been a red and there was definitely contact with Sterling in the penalty area.

Anyway, easy (and fun!) to play retrospective FM, just seemed one game too far and there are definitely things to build on going forwards


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:10:55
I donít thing England necessarily choose to sit deep. Italy just pushed us back. It was possibly the right decision to be compact and not lose the game.
However, once Chiesa went off - that was when we should have opened the game up. He was by far and away Italyís main threat. All their attacks came through him.

We definitely should have gone for it in extra time. It was there to be won in that window imo.

No clue on the process behind picking penalty takers. Do they volunteer? Does Southgate pick his best 5 from training? It was strange to put two players on for a minute to take penalties. Even with the best warm up they arenít in the game and havenít had touches of the ball. If theyíd played the last 15 would that have made a difference either to the result in extra time or their penalties?

A lot of people questioning why the more experienced players didnít take the penalties but when you think about the only really experienced players on the pitch who didnít take one were Sterling & Stones!
Agree with everything said,  just wish players would stop this silly hop, skip and a jump when taking penalties.  Hit it hard and get it on target if the keeper saves it then fine,  all these 'mind games '  don't do it for me.  Anyway, proud of the team, better times ahead, World Cup next year............ Come on England,  now back to the County Ground .......


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:13:56
Agree with everything said,  just wish players would stop this silly hop, skip and a jump when taking penalties.  Hit it hard and get it on target if the keeper saves it then fine,  all these 'mind games '  don't do it for me.  Anyway, proud of the team, better times ahead, World Cup next year............ Come on England,  now back to the County Ground .......

I called all three misses, in my living room with no one to hear me expect my Mrs who wasnít really paying attention.

Rashford & Sancho based on their run ups and Saka based on the fact heís had a really good tournament.

I wonder how different it would have turned out if all the defenders had stepped up and just smashed it like Maguire did!
It almost like the attackers thing about it too much and the defenders just hit it.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:15:12
Agree with everything said,  just wish players would stop this silly hop, skip and a jump when taking penalties.  Hit it hard and get it on target if the keeper saves it then fine,  all these 'mind games '  don't do it for me.  Anyway, proud of the team, better times ahead, World Cup next year............ Come on England,  now back to the County Ground .......
Yep, the best penalty was Maguire's.

If you larrup it into the top corner and the keeper saves it, then the keeper has done well. If you are a bit cutsie and don't score, you look a fool.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:17:01
Yep, the best penalty was Maguire's.

If you larrup it into the top corner and the keeper saves it, then the keeper has done well. If you are a bit cutsie and don't score, you look a fool.
Like one of ours last night.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:28:11
Quote from: DV Canio
I wonder how different it would have turned out if all the defenders had stepped up and just smashed it like Maguire did!
It almost like the attackers thing about it too much and the defenders just hit it.

well,I don't want to harp back to work 96 too much.. but...


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:36:15
Maguire breaking the camera was great. Suspect if we'd tried that penalty five times we'd have hit the crossbar at least twice though, I don't think it's possible to pick a spot that precisely when doing that (I realise we missed three in reality).


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:37:50
well,I don't want to harp back to work 96 too much.. but...

Fair point however, across to two shoot outs we had we took 10 penalties and scored 9 of them.
The only miss coming from Southgate who wasnít in the original 5 but stepped up 6th.

Bit different from missing 3/5

...and stupid hop, skip, jump run ups werenít a thing in 1996!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:40:10
Overshadowed a bit by what came later, but thought Declan Rice played the best game I've seen him play in an England shirt last night, which bodes well against a really good midfield. Don't want to pick out individuals negatively really, but Henderson didn't have the same impact after replacing him.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:43:26
It would also be interesting to know how many players in the 2021 squad are their clubs first choice regular penalty taker vs Ď96.

Shearer, Platt, Pearce, Gazza and Sheringham were the 5 in 96.
At least Shearer, Pearce and Sheringham would have been their clubs first choice. Maybe Platt too? Gazza probably not at Rangers.

Kane obviously takes Spurs but after that....



Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 12, 2021, 08:45:22
Overshadowed a bit by what came later, but thought Declan Rice played the best game I've seen him play in an England shirt last night, which bodes well against a really good midfield. Don't want to pick out individuals negatively really, but Henderson didn't have the same impact after replacing him.

Was surprised to see Henderson come on but also surprised to see him go off again.
I thought he might be lined up to take a penalty despite his missed one pre tournament.
One of the few players in our squad with experience under that sort of intense pressure.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 12, 2021, 09:09:45
We have been great throughout and Southgate has been spot on most of the time. Thought he got it wrong at various stages last night throughout the game to be honest


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, July 12, 2021, 09:22:11
Penalties are not a lottery in the slightest, itís an outdated cliche to say otherwise, itís skill technically and mentally

This all an assumptionÖÖI know itís been said that we have been practising them a lot in training so I assume Rashford & Sancho were doing those stupid run ups in training. In which case Iím bit disappointed they werenít told to put their laces behind it.

You do have to somewhat question why Sterling didnít step up, assume he was shitting his pants. For his sake Iím glad he didnít miss one though, the fallout would have been even worse than what the 3 kids have received so far


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, July 12, 2021, 09:29:22
Best team won in the end, after that second half mauling we did well to make it to extra time and indded Pens (which i didnt watch...i cannot bear it).

I was hoping in all of the second half that we would have a 5 or 10 minute purple patch and snatch something....we didnt.

Southgate plays safe all the way and it worked up until last night, we really had to gamble against a team on top to win it and we didnt.

Its been an epic journey and a great distraction from our own shit storm.

Well done lads.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, July 12, 2021, 09:44:22
Best team won in the end, after that second half mauling we did well to make it to extra time and indded Pens (which i didnt watch...i cannot bear it).

I was hoping in all of the second half that we would have a 5 or 10 minute purple patch and snatch something....we didnt.

Southgate plays safe all the way and it worked up until last night, we really had to gamble against a team on top to win it and we didnt.

Its been an epic journey and a great distraction from our own shit storm.

Well done lads.

Yep, that's pretty much how I saw things too.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 12, 2021, 09:47:33
Perhaps if Kane and Sterling looked to actually play football rather than throw themselves petulantly on the floor looking for free kicks all the time we might have had a better chance. It was obvious the ref wasnt falling for any of their nonsense yet they kept trying the conman act.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 12, 2021, 10:19:16
We seen the best and the worst of Sterling in this comp. Unfortunately, his worst came last night


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: chalkies shorts on Monday, July 12, 2021, 10:27:44
I think sterling was our player of the tournament.
Kane and sterling may have gone to ground easy but there were clear fouls on them not given. The Italian shithousery intensified as the game wore on making it pretty impossible for England to run through the ranks. The ref allowed it.
In hindsight the foul on grealish was a red. VAR seemed to have a day off yesterday. There was also a possible penalty on sterling I was surprised was not reviewed.
UEFA will no doubt knock one out over the way the ref let play flow but he did is no favours.
I don't care if this comes across as sour grapes but I'm fucking tired of cheaters prospering and they neat always do.
If Italy stuck to football theyd probably still win. They have excellent players but every one of them is a cheating cunt.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, July 12, 2021, 11:48:25
I see Grealish has come out and said he wanted to take a penalty but Southgate chose the takers.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 12, 2021, 11:54:48
I see Grealish has come out and said he wanted to take a penalty but Southgate chose the takers.

It appears that Southgate chose the penalty takers in order to take full responsibility. I'm not convinced (easy to say now we've lost) that was the best thing to do. Surely you have to let the players decide who wants to take them? You would have thought Sterling and Grealish would have put themselves forward for sure.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 12, 2021, 12:08:26
I just want to use this thread to say well done to the England squad, you did well and we are proud of you. Please ignore the ignorant twats who are scapegoating players and giving abhorrent abuse to them.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 12, 2021, 12:12:22
I just want to use this thread to say well done to the England squad, you did well and we are proud of you. Please ignore the ignorant twats who are scapegoating players and giving abhorrent abuse to them.
100% this.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 12, 2021, 12:15:01
Theres a fine line though. You can't say someone has had a bad game these days without being told you are making a scapegoat out of them


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 12, 2021, 12:16:01
Theres a fine line though. You can't say someone has had a bad game these days without being told you are making a scapegoat out of them
This is indeed also true.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 12, 2021, 12:21:52
When I'm referring to scapegoating it's down to the vile abuse certain players are getting in this case.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, July 12, 2021, 12:26:30
When I'm referring to scapegoating it's down to the vile abuse certain players are getting in this case.
Yes, but I don't see any of that on here.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: blah blah on Monday, July 12, 2021, 12:47:20
Did I hear Shearer right last night when he said that Kane did not touch the ball once in the opposition penalty area ? Don't get me wrong, I thought he played well dropping deep in the first half, very effective, but how can we have our only central striker not touching the ball in the box and still expect to win ?


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 12, 2021, 12:55:50
Kane was magnificent for 30 minutes in unlocking the Italians.

He and Stirling were anonymous second half. Not sure if that's their fault so much as the situation England were in being pressed back..

the Italian midfield were pretty good. we did well really to stay in it for the 90. I wish we'd have gone for it in extra time though.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 12, 2021, 14:52:52
I think Jude Bellingham's development is a pretty key factor in how we'll do in Qatar. It'll be hot even in winter, which will mean we probably need to control possession a bit more - which we did in quite a few games in this tournament, but obviously not yesterday.

But still, Rice (22), Mount (22), Foden (21), Bellingham (18) and Phillips (25) should give us hope there.

Only really Henderson & Walker who past their prime, and even they'll only be 32 come Qatar.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 12, 2021, 14:55:01
As for the game itself, not sure there was much more we could do, probably the best team in the tournament won and roll on future tournaments for this very young and incredibly likeable team. Comment has been made of the referee, I think he had a reasonable game, I also got the impression that he decided after about 20 mins that everyone was going to fall over at every opportunity and decided to not give anything to either side unless it was blatant, albeit their lad got away with one for the tackle on Grealish.

Can I just comment on the idea that the climate in Qatar will adversely affect us, whilst it will undoubtedly have an effect, however, temperature wise winter in Qatar is not a million miles off summer Spain (1982), Mexico (1986), Italy (1990), where from recollection it didn't have a terribly detrimental effect bar Mexico where I suspect in many cases altitude was as much of a problem.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, July 12, 2021, 15:07:32
Gutted but proud of the fact we've made a major final. Becks, Lampard, Gerrard etc never even made it to a semi final. We're on to a good thing with Southgate I think. Yes a little negative at times but he's an intelligent bloke. We did a few things differently in this tournament from Russia 2018 which benefited us. Hopefully he will continue to learn and we can take the next step of winning something. France lost the Euro 2016 final at home and then won the WC two years later so it's not out of the question.

Get behind the young squad - they should all be that bit better by the time Qatar rolls around and although last night was painful, should hopefully prove beneficial in the long run.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 12, 2021, 15:22:26
My main concern for this squad is what measures will Southgate take to get us to that extra level. I was looking through those players this morning and i just don't see how he incorporates those players with his football mentalioty. It isn't a pop at him whatsoever because it has taken us this far but in a world cup theres twice as much quality and sitting back for so long . I know it is all what ifs but people like Guardiola would get more out of this talented bunch. Wouldn't they?


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 12, 2021, 15:28:45
My main concern for this squad is what measures will Southgate take to get us to that extra level. I was looking through those players this morning and i just don't see how he incorporates those players with his football mentalioty. It isn't a pop at him whatsoever because it has taken us this far but in a world cup theres twice as much quality and sitting back for so long . I know it is all what ifs but people like Guardiola would get more out of this talented bunch. Wouldn't they?

On another forum I likened it to Chelsea this season in reverse.
Lampard got them attacking and pressing well but couldnít sort out their leaky defence. Tuchel came in and sorted that. With Lampard attacking players and attacking strategies with Tuchels defensive nous - CL winners were created.


In reverse would England do better with Lampards attacking strategies but with Southgates solidness still there?

Would having joint managers help/work?


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Arriba on Monday, July 12, 2021, 15:33:47
I really enjoyed the tournament and watched nearly all the games played. Our boys were brilliant. A unified squad guided superbly by the manager, and to make the final was a fine achievement. I think they all were great. Everyone of them. No need to dissect the performance last night. It was just unlucky. Someone had to lose. Shame loads of English morons have to ruin things as usual.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 12, 2021, 15:39:10
My main concern for this squad is what measures will Southgate take to get us to that extra level. I was looking through those players this morning and i just don't see how he incorporates those players with his football mentalioty. It isn't a pop at him whatsoever because it has taken us this far but in a world cup theres twice as much quality and sitting back for so long . I know it is all what ifs but people like Guardiola would get more out of this talented bunch. Wouldn't they?

I don't really know, we do seem to slightly lack the ability to up a gear, last night it was noticeable that once Italy got on top of us we struggled to get the upper hand again.

Looking at the stats, our W,D,L in the tournament was exactly the same as Italy, albeit they probably had a harder bunch of games, likewise we were the 4th highest scorers,  with the fewest goals against and the most clean sheets.

There is definitely the foundations of a very good team to work with there, and a very young one at that.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 12, 2021, 15:45:42
On another forum I likened it to Chelsea this season in reverse.
Lampard got them attacking and pressing well but couldnít sort out their leaky defence. Tuchel came in and sorted that. With Lampard attacking players and attacking strategies with Tuchels defensive nous - CL winners were created.


In reverse would England do better with Lampards attacking strategies but with Southgates solidness still there?

Would having joint managers help/work?
Yeah i think you are right mate it's tough isn't it.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, July 12, 2021, 15:51:30
Southgate's cautiousness is the one major weakness of this team, but then you have to wonder if we'd have gotten as far if we didn't play two holdings DMs. My one criticism of Southgate is that he waits too long to change things up. Mancini showed last night how to change your tactics to counter your opponent. There were a few games (Scotland, Denmark) where one of Rice or Phillips could've been swapped for Grealish/Sancho/Foden much earlier.

I think the squad is one more goalscorer away from really being able to challenge at a World Cup. There's too much reliance on Kane as the focal point of the team and Rashford or Calvert-Lewin aren't quite at the standard.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: michael on Monday, July 12, 2021, 15:52:49
Disappointing not to win in the end but what a journey. A team to be proud of.

It is a young squad and to me it feels like this team is capable of going pretty deep into the next 3 or 4 tournaments.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, July 12, 2021, 16:26:39
Disappointing not to win in the end but what a journey. A team to be proud of.

It is a young squad and to me it feels like this team is capable of going pretty deep into the next 3 or 4 tournaments.
And to be fair Italy couldn't beat us in 120 minutes of football and only beat us by one penalty, if they are world beaters we're in with a chance !!!


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, July 12, 2021, 16:36:32
Disappointed with the result, but expected it.

Some good performances on the day, but some not so good too.

Very disappointed with the behaviour of some 'fans' pre and post match.

I'd like to move on now please.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: adje on Monday, July 12, 2021, 17:14:41
I donít thing England necessarily choose to sit deep. Italy just pushed us back. It was possibly the right decision to be compact and not lose the game.
However, once Chiesa went off - that was when we should have opened the game up. He was by far and away Italyís main threat. All their attacks came through him.

We definitely should have gone for it in extra time. It was there to be won in that window imo.

No clue on the process behind picking penalty takers. Do they volunteer? Does Southgate pick his best 5 from training? It was strange to put two players on for a minute to take penalties. Even with the best warm up they arenít in the game and havenít had touches of the ball. If theyíd played the last 15 would that have made a difference either to the result in extra time or their penalties?

A lot of people questioning why the more experienced players didnít take the penalties but when you think about the only really experienced players on the pitch who didnít take one were Sterling & Stones!
100% agree


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Monday, July 12, 2021, 17:51:24
In extra time we should have brought on all of the flair players and attacked them which would have relieved the pressure on the defence


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, July 12, 2021, 22:20:06
And a quote from our own Berniman makes the Indy's coverage of Danny Baker's miserabilist views on Southgate.

https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/danny-baker-twitter-england-italy-b1882452?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, July 12, 2021, 22:28:10
And a quote from our own Berniman makes the Indy's coverage of Danny Baker's miserabilist views on Southgate.

https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/danny-baker-twitter-england-italy-b1882452?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed

Infamy, infamy, theyíve all got it in for me. Well said Bernieman.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, July 12, 2021, 23:19:40
Fair play Berniman.

I think I'd have just called him a fat cunt.


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, July 13, 2021, 07:47:43
Bakers rhetoric never changed throughout the tournament, even after the better performances. Unfollowed him, miserable old man


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 13, 2021, 08:02:51
Bakers rhetoric never changed throughout the tournament, even after the better performances. Unfollowed him, miserable old man
Same mate. It was personal wasn't it


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 13, 2021, 08:56:48
Blimey..

The only thing that matters is..  Do i get paid?

I wrote that Tweet on Sunday night when absolutely mashed - I impressed myself..


Title: Re: The Final: England v Italy
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, July 13, 2021, 10:21:22
And a quote from our own Berniman makes the Indy's coverage of Danny Baker's miserabilist views on Southgate.

https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/danny-baker-twitter-england-italy-b1882452?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed

Fair play, Berni. As someone who loved his shows, it's a shame.  The tweet after yours was from a bloke I used to work with, very funny and intelligent guy.