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Title: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 20:54:47
Tonight was a test of character. Games like this break a weak team. I saw one or two men out there who weren't prepared to be humiliated. If you can't consider this a traditional MoM poll, who remained a fighter in a losing cause?


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 21:03:39
I’d like to vote for Scott Twine please.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 21:26:49
The Ref had a good game


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 21:28:24
Can I vote for one of the unused subs?


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 22:50:13
Matt Smith was the only player on the pitch for much of the game - And he didnt have a great game!


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: bathford on Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 23:37:35
The pitch looked good, so the Groundsman gets my vote.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 23:44:11
Fryer 2 votes? I’m guessing they were just taking the piss....


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 00:56:12
M Smith.
It's a concern that him and Grant A appeared to be running on empty.
They could do with some help in there.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 08:16:00
None of the above.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 09:20:12
I voted for Fryer to piss off the ever growing band of Fryer haters.

TBF he did ok after the 3rd went in and made a few saves to keep the numbers down.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 09:22:34
I can't vote as I didn't watch it, but if I had to choose then it would be one of the pigeons in the Arkells stand roof.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 10:44:47
I voted for Fryer to piss off the ever growing band of Fryer haters.

TBF he did ok after the 3rd went in and made a few saves to keep the numbers down.
Oh come on JJ he is beyond terrible, he's literally that bad with the ball at his feet that passing the ball back to him is a lottery. We've some how ended up with 2 keepers that make the RCC and Stuart Moore dream team look competent.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 10:47:04
Oh come on JJ he is beyond terrible, he's literally that bad with the ball at his feet that passing the ball back to him is a lottery. We've some how ended up with 2 keepers that make the RCC and Stuart Moore dream team look competent.
He is terrible TBH but so is Kovar, I couldn't honestly say hand on heart that Kovar wouldn't have made exactly the same mistakes last night as Fryer, they are like goalkeeping twins. Your comment about RCC and Moore rings very true.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 10:53:23
He is terrible TBH but so is Kovar, I couldn't honestly say hand on heart that Kovar wouldn't have made exactly the same mistakes last night as Fryer, they are like goalkeeping twins. Your comment about RCC and Moore rings very true.
Kovar wouldn't have let the first in as at the very least he is decent with his feet, but other than that fair point. I just don't get how someone as bad with the ball at his feet as Fryer has made it to professional level, even on Saturday it was panic stations every time the ball was passed back to him.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 10:56:05
Kovar wouldn't have let the first in as at the very least he is decent with his feet, but other than that fair point. I just don't get how someone as bad with the ball at his feet as Fryer has made it to professional level, even on Saturday it was panic stations every time the ball was passed back to him.

I said something like that on my blurb in the matchday thread. One of my pet hates are keepers that seem unable to get their laces behind the bloody thing and clear it properly. Fryer never hits it cleanly and either shanks, slices or hooks the ball, sometimes straight up in the air. Surely if your keeper can't get rid of the bloody thing properly this can't really inspire confidence in the rest of the team?


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 10:58:19
If you could put Kovar's feet onto Fryer's legs I think we'd have a keeper.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 11:03:29
Genuine question, is Archie Matthews any good?

Is it too soon to blood him in a game? with that defence in front of him it may not be a great time to but if hes good enough.

Accrington had a 19 year old in goal (the same age as Matthews) and although he punched a few he looked pretty solid and kept out the more experienced Baxter.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 11:14:33
Genuine question, is Archie Matthews any good?

Is it too soon to blood him in a game? with that defence in front of him it may not be a great time to but if hes good enough.

Accrington had a 19 year old in goal (the same age as Matthews) and although he punched a few he looked pretty solid and kept out the more experienced Baxter.
Accrington have a solid defence though.... I don't think Matthews is anywhere near ready and with the current defensive issues we'd probably destroy him.

I don't see how we can play Fryer again, our players won't want to pass the ball back to him which will cause indecision and even more defensive mistakes, the opposition will be all over him. So we are stuck with Kovar or a free agent until January IMO.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 11:33:12
Perhaps he should shout fore whenever he goes to kick.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 12:03:32
Fryer has shown more quality in three games than Kovar has in ten. He's made some great stops, including the one-on-one last night, where Kovar usually looks frail in coming for balls and under challenges. He made a mistake last night which shook the whole team, but last week everyone was calling for his inclusion after his FGR performance. Now people are calling for Matthews - you can't run a team like that.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 12:06:43
Fryer has shown more quality in three games than Kovar has in ten. He's made some great stops, including the one-on-one last night, where Kovar usually looks frail in coming for balls and under challenges. He made a mistake last night which shook the whole team, but last week everyone was calling for his inclusion after his FGR performance. Now people are calling for Matthews - you can't run a team like that.
He can't kick, it's an absolute fundamental skill he can't execute and isn't going to suddenly improve. Defenders were putting balls out for corners last night as they didn't want the ball going to Fryer anywhere near the goal, a couple of them even started having ago at him. You can't play a keeper that you can't play pass backs to as its a key method for a team to clear its lines!


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 12:12:13
He can't kick, it's an absolute fundamental skill he can't execute and isn't going to suddenly improve. Defenders were putting balls out for corners last night as they didn't want the ball going to Fryer anywhere near the goal, a couple of them even started having ago at him. You can't play a keeper that you can't play pass backs to as its a key method for a team to clear its lines!

You're making a career judgment based on one game when the team lost their confidence almost as badly as the fans - no-one mentioned his kicking in the FGR game.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 12:15:54
You're making a career judgment based on one game when the team lost their confidence almost as badly as the fans - no-one mentioned his kicking in the FGR game.
I mentioned it multiples time on Saturday as well, a game in which he was also poor. Both our keepers are beyond poor but being unable to cleanly kick a moving ball is unacceptable at any level for a professional footballer.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 12:16:27
Genuine question, is Archie Matthews any good?

Is it too soon to blood him in a game? with that defence in front of him it may not be a great time to but if hes good enough.

Accrington had a 19 year old in goal (the same age as Matthews) and although he punched a few he looked pretty solid and kept out the more experienced Baxter.
But their keeper made exactly the same mistake as Fryer did for their second - Pitman got his head to the ball where their keeper should have cleaned up. Difference being they scored and Pitman’s was cleared off the line - albeit being given offside.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 12:18:21
Genuine question, is Archie Matthews any good?

Is it too soon to blood him in a game? with that defence in front of him it may not be a great time to but if hes good enough.

Accrington had a 19 year old in goal (the same age as Matthews) and although he punched a few he looked pretty solid and kept out the more experienced Baxter.

If you are third choice to Kovar and Fryer then you are probably not a league one standard goalkeeper. Hellenic division one maybe.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 19:47:27
Accrington have a solid defence though.... I don't think Matthews is anywhere near ready and with the current defensive issues we'd probably destroy him.

I don't see how we can play Fryer again, our players won't want to pass the ball back to him which will cause indecision and even more defensive mistakes, the opposition will be all over him. So we are stuck with Kovar or a free agent until January IMO.
Do we not have training sessions? Can we not put him in a ploughed field then keep kicking the ball to him so he learns to watch, trap and kick perhaps?


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 20:23:16
I thought Nicky Hammond was poor but would probably be better than we currently have😁


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 20:24:09
I seem to recall that Nicky Hammond couldn't kick either


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 20:25:00
I seem to recall that Nicky Hammond couldn't kick either

He was poor at kicking and also seemed a little short


Title: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 20:43:03
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I seem to recall that Nicky Hammond couldn't kick either
nor could Fraser Fraser Digby to be honest.

But he kind of made up for it(!), plus the backpass rule wasn't a thing early doors


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 20:52:45
Perhaps our defenders could try passing it sideways or forwards to another outfield player rather than passing everything to our goal keeper with no legs


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Friday, November 20, 2020, 11:20:15
Simple ... don't backpass towards the goal.


Title: Re: STFC vs Accrington S MoM
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Friday, November 20, 2020, 11:21:10
Perhaps he should shout fore whenever he goes to kick.

Three was enough.