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Title: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 26, 2014, 18:37:36
 First one dayer lost v Lankies.  Same shit....different island.

 However, fair play to Moeen Ali for his ton.

 


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 26, 2014, 23:38:25
I have a serious man crush on Moeen. Top bloke, excellent cricketer.

The less said about his opening partner the better.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, November 26, 2014, 23:54:57
Abysmal bowling.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Drakes Way on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 06:43:12
Can't say I have a lot of time for Australian cricketers but this is sad.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/phillip-hughes-dead-australian-cricketer-dies-after-bouncer-at-scg-20141127-11vcpt.html


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 07:33:46
Can't say I have a lot of time for Australian cricketers but this is sad.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/phillip-hughes-dead-australian-cricketer-dies-after-bouncer-at-scg-20141127-11vcpt.html


Very sad news to wake up to.  I saw him play a few times.  Feel for young Sean Abbott, too. A terrible thing to have to live with.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 08:53:55
Very sad news to wake up to.  I saw him play a few times.  Feel for young Sean Abbott, too. A terrible thing to have to live with.
Indeed. This is horrible news. Really sickened that a young man has lost his life in this way.

Eventhough its a freakish accident, how must Sean Abbott be feeling?


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: DMR on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 09:09:32
Forever not out. Very fitting. RIP.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 09:19:42
Dreadful stuff. Can only sympathise with everyone involved, obviously Hughes and family but Abbott will need a lot of support, can only imagine how he's feeling, it's a complete freak accident. 


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 10:09:46
It's desperately sad when a sportsman dies as a result of doing something they love.

You'd never expect it to happen in a relatively sedate sport like cricket, which makes this even more tragic.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 10:18:22
 :(


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 10:20:04
Terribly sad news, RIP.

Have to feel for Sean Abbott, a complete freak accident.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 10:27:36
Forever not out. Very fitting. RIP.

Exactly how I feel Dave! RIP Phil, and a thought for Sean Abbot/Phil's family and friends as well.

A big loss to the cricketing world and one to be mourned.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 12:40:22
Whichever long lens morons were waiting outside the hospital to get a good shot of Sean Abbott looking understandably distraught need to have a serious word with themselves.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 13:32:27
Some things really shouldn't happen. He was too young to go. The burden now on Sean Abbott must be intolerable - whilst it almost seems trivial by comparison, I can't see how he could ever play again. Michael Clarke and others close to him may struggle too. A desperately sad accident.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 15:31:35
Terribly sad.

RIP Phil, and thinking of Sean Abbott too at this time.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: FatSmurf on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 16:23:26
Reminds me of when Steve Irwin died, leaves you feeling completely cold as it's such a freak incidence  :(


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, November 27, 2014, 16:27:08
Awfully sad. Condolences to Phil, his family and of course Sean Abbott.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 16:42:38
 Well...apart from a couple of bright spots, overall a terrible series for England.  I don't particularly blame Cook, but the fellas in the background.... Downton...Moores...Whitaker....Gus Fraser. Jobs for the old boys....get rid.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 17:17:20
Well...apart from a couple of bright spots, overall a terrible series for England.  I don't particularly blame Cook, but the fellas in the background.... Downton...Moores...Whitaker....Gus Fraser. Jobs for the old boys....get rid.
Who would you suggest that another set of selectors pick? I don't think there are a great deal of quality replacements to come in.



Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 17:31:22
Did you hear Downton on the radio? Unbelievably evasive, smug and deeper in denial than an Egyptian fish - he said he wasn't aware of any dissatisfaction with the ECB whatsoever.

Think Newell and Fraser should be let off as they're the County coaches and the players that have been pulled from County cricket- Taylor, Ali, Ballance have done very well this year, the rot is with the senior pros.

Moores was a failed coach who we've brought back and seems to have learnt nothing, his post match pronouncements are management speak bollocks, but largely he seems like a yes man to the Clarke/Downton axis who are just determined to keep Cook to the detriment of his own Test career and the England side. It's utterly baffling and contemptible.

NMH- virtually all the new guys have done well, so why not give some more county players a go- they can hardly do worse than Cook and Morgan - average 19 and 12 respectively in this series. If you want some names, Vince at Hampshire is a proper player who can build an innings and thrash it too when necessary, Roy from surrey is a dasher but one with an unbelievable eye and Billings from Kent had an unbelievable average in the county one day game last year.



Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: dphunt88 on Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 17:42:29

NMH- virtually all the new guys have done well, so why not give some more county players a go- they can hardly do worse than Cook and Morgan - average 19 and 12 respectively in this series. If you want some names, Vince at Hampshire is a proper player who can build an innings and thrash it too when necessary, Roy from surrey is a dasher but one with an unbelievable eye and Billings from Kent had an unbelievable average in the county one day game last year.


You're absolutely spot on and this is my frustration with England's policy towards ODI and T20 cricket! They could pick a really dynamic, exciting and powerful side if they wanted to... Vince, Roy and Billings all fit that bill... a side that could go to Australia and give it (the world cup) a good crack! We're not going to win the world cup at the current rate, so why not be ballsy and pick a young side!

Cook's a fantastic Test cricketer - one of the best there'll ever be by numbers alone - but the England management are jeopardising Cook's test cricket in blind denial that he's the most suitable leader of the England ODI side. He's a wooden captain and a wooden batsmen. Real shame that 99% of cricket folk in England can see it but the ECB can't!



Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 18:12:22
You're absolutely spot on and this is my frustration with England's policy towards ODI and T20 cricket! They could pick a really dynamic, exciting and powerful side if they wanted to... Vince, Roy and Billings all fit that bill... a side that could go to Australia and give it (the world cup) a good crack! We're not going to win the world cup at the current rate, so why not be ballsy and pick a young side!

Cook's a fantastic Test cricketer - one of the best there'll ever be by numbers alone - but the England management are jeopardising Cook's test cricket in blind denial that he's the most suitable leader of the England ODI side. He's a wooden captain and a wooden batsmen. Real shame that 99% of cricket folk in England can see it but the ECB can't!



Very good summary, along with Nemo.

The minimum requirement should be to have an at least competitive side, in ODI's, we haven't.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 19:14:50
You're absolutely spot on and this is my frustration with England's policy towards ODI and T20 cricket! They could pick a really dynamic, exciting and powerful side if they wanted to... Vince, Roy and Billings all fit that bill... a side that could go to Australia and give it (the world cup) a good crack! We're not going to win the world cup at the current rate, so why not be ballsy and pick a young side!

Cook's a fantastic Test cricketer - one of the best there'll ever be by numbers alone - but the England management are jeopardising Cook's test cricket in blind denial that he's the most suitable leader of the England ODI side. He's a wooden captain and a wooden batsmen. Real shame that 99% of cricket folk in England can see it but the ECB can't!


Vince, Roy & Billings are all in the provisional squad.

It seems to me as if the Sri Lanka series has told us the following:

Played themselves into WC squad:
-Ali
-Root
-Taylor
- Bopara (but use his bowling more)

Bring in:
- Anderson
- Broad

Stick with:
- Buttler
- Hales (Not had much of a chance but shines in Aus domestic)

Played themselves out of the squad:
- Cook
- Morgan
- Gurney
- Stokes

Alrounder spot:
- Woakes (I would like his bowling to improve but I'd put him in the squad primarily for batting)

Not fussed about:
- Jordan (Too inconsistent)
- Tredwell (Limited)
- Finn (expensive)


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 22:05:05
Well...apart from a couple of bright spots, overall a terrible series for England.  I don't particularly blame Cook, but the fellas in the background.... Downton...Moores...Whitaker....Gus Fraser. Jobs for the old boys....get rid.

This.  Old Boys and Politics.  Yawn. 

Needed a new broom.  IMHO it is now too late to build a squad for the WC as up and comers should have been given decent experience much earlier.

Sri Lanka is great experience but it is true that the conditions are in general very different from Australia and New Zealand, so some failures or players to come back may actually help.  Not Cook, who we can expect to be sacked as a sacrificial lamb after the WC while Downton et al live to fight another day.


Title: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 08:02:24
I'm disappointed that Finn didn't have a better series. With Anderson and Broad in the twilight of their careers, I wanted him to put his hand up as the next leader of the attack. It is good to see him on the pitch given that he had the yips this time last year, but our bowling looks incredibly thin, after years of applauding its depth.

Compare that to the Aussies. Johnson, Siddle, Harris, Starc, Pattinson, Hazlewood, Cummins, Hastings - any of whom would play in our side.

Hopefully the likes of Matt Dunn, Mark Footit, Tymal Mills et al can begin to step up. Our successes in recent years have been built around first innings totals of 400+ and a bowling attack you'd be confident to get you 20 wickets.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 10:26:37
Did you hear Downton on the radio? Unbelievably evasive, smug and deeper in denial than an Egyptian fish - he said he wasn't aware of any dissatisfaction with the ECB whatsoever.

Think Newell and Fraser should be let off as they're the County coaches and the players that have been pulled from County cricket- Taylor, Ali, Ballance have done very well this year, the rot is with the senior pros.

Moores was a failed coach who we've brought back and seems to have learnt nothing, his post match pronouncements are management speak bollocks, but largely he seems like a yes man to the Clarke/Downton axis who are just determined to keep Cook to the detriment of his own Test career and the England side. It's utterly baffling and contemptible.

NMH- virtually all the new guys have done well, so why not give some more county players a go- they can hardly do worse than Cook and Morgan - average 19 and 12 respectively in this series. If you want some names, Vince at Hampshire is a proper player who can build an innings and thrash it too when necessary, Roy from surrey is a dasher but one with an unbelievable eye and Billings from Kent had an unbelievable average in the county one day game last year.



Absolutely spot on.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 13:32:02
Cook is one of the worst ODI players I've seen over recent years and getting worse all the time. It's affected his test form and why we brought him back in 2011/have persisted with him now beggars belief.

I don't know if he himself is in complete denial about how bad a one day player he has become, and personally sticking with him for the world cup would be a massive mistake!


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 22:36:36
The list of batsman who are better equipped to open up in an ODI is startling - and it's not just your t20 smashers. If you say that Ali and Hales is our preferred opening pair, before you get to Cook, I'd still rather open with Ballance, Trott, Vince, Lumb or Lees. The only reason he is there is due to a complete absence of a authoritative decision maker at the ECB and the wish not to have more upheaval this year. It's a case of stick or twist, and it's difficult to put any case together for sticking.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 19, 2014, 16:27:45
Cook being removed as captain- sounds like the home based selectors may have outvoted Moores and Downton...


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: kerry red on Friday, December 19, 2014, 16:33:19
Morgan's no better, though, at the moment.

We're in for a torrid time in the WC


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 19, 2014, 16:43:04
Morgan's no better, though, at the moment.

He's a better captain. He's also horribly out of form with the bat, but at least he HAS been good in the past. Cook has never been good in one dayers, and especially not since the rule changes, making the fact that he's played 92 of them baffling.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, December 19, 2014, 17:01:10
Morgan's no better, though, at the moment.

We're in for a torrid time in the WC

We've been hopeless for the last 3 or 4 WC's, before that, although never winners we were at least competitive.

Morgan just might find some inspiration in captaincy....nothing to lose really, as nobody expects anything.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Friday, December 19, 2014, 21:48:03
I'm happy enough with the decision to remove Cook and replace with Morgan. Yes Morgan has also been out of form but he's done well with the bat when captained before and his game suits ODI cricket whereas Cook's simply didn't. He had to go and I'm pleased the selectors/ecb management have grown a pair for once!


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: janaage on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 11:32:30
Anyone watching SA destroying Windies in today's ODI? SA 360-1 after 45 overs. Amazing.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 11:32:58
Yep, AB De Villiers is something else man.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: janaage on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 11:35:13
World record about to go? 98 from 30 balls!


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 11:36:37
He's got another 6 balls to get 2 I believe!

The crazy thing is that Anderson's record was in a shortened game that was 21 overs- this is a proper match!


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: janaage on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 11:37:07
Wow, finishes it off with a 6, 104 from 31 balls. Simply amazing.

Wait he's got 110 from 32 now....


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 11:37:28
Can he mathematically reach the double ton?


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: janaage on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 11:55:50
Fuck! Shane Watson's fastest 150 record still stands, ADV out for 149, from 44 balls. Incredible.


Title: Re: The winter of cricket thread
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:17:40
Nice to see England pick up a 9 wicket win this morning, and Steve Finn picking up 5 wickets, against India. Aussies up next...