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So same 11 and Rooney is playing. I'm not a fan, but to be fair he nearly scored with a decent free kick.

Reckon we'll win this easily. Go a goal or to up and Uruguay will lose the plot.

This ref is certainly favouring the Uruguayan's...

Chalk and cheese from the Italy game.
Had to be the bucktoothed bin dipping fuck wit who scored too  :smugfu:

Giving the ball away far too easily up front. Not filling me with hope

Three posts for an England game at the World Cup Finals.  Says it all.

Our passing has been pretty woeful.  I can't see us scoring to be honest.

Well, my post Italy optimism is gone. Back to normal.

I an certainly see us scoring, we're handy going forward.

I think Darren Ward could do a better job at CB though, and Hart is flappy as fuck.

That fellas never coming back on after that surely? Tough as old boots. Fair play to him.

Think it's a shame that most don't appreciate the work of Danny Welbeck for England, hard worker, gives defenders grief non stop. Must be a nightmare to play against.

This really isn't very good is it.  Just had no structure tonight and passing been woeful.

Get the fuck in

That's better..... but we are embarrassingly bad at diving!

Bollocks

Nice flick on by Gerrard for Suarez, reminds you of his great through ball for Henry in the Euros a few years ago

Not having the best of times Gerard. fucks up to lose Liverpool the title. Now this.

Once a loser, always a loser.

Gerrard, most overrated player on the planet.

Forever failures our national team.

Too naive but hopefully that will come with time.  We seem to have too many individuals up front who seem to want to take everyone on rather than play as a unit.

Our so called 'big' players (Gerrard and Rooney) have disappointed again. These are the type of players that are supposed to dictate matches, like Suarez, but are just non-existant when it comes to delivering.

Defensively we were total shit. Also there is no organiser, nobody tactically astute on the pitch. Jagielka really is bollox.

How was joe hart allowed to make an advert about a penalty shoot out, talk about tempting fate. What a load of shite.

I hate myself so much for even thinking this, it's horrible,  but first thought when suarez got the second goal was.... at least John Terry would have made more effort to get back and block the shot,  I think if Cahill had lunged he could have got a block in.

Feels just wrong,  I hate England for making me have such thoughts.

To be fair I've been waiting years to see England play like Spain.

Should have picked Beckinsale as skipper

Should have taken Austin!!

Or at least Carroll so we could change tactics.

Disappointing after getting ourselves back level just like the Italy game.  Defensively we were poor. Hart is another player who does well for club, put pulls on an England shirt and turns to shite.

Agree with you Horlock, too much trying to walk the ball through instead of a decent pass or cross.

We were the better team.

But a chain is as strong as its weakest link.

The days of Beckham crossing it and Shearer heading it in are long gone.
Football isn't played that way anymore, all about ineffectively keeping it on the deck and racking up the possession.

It's hasn't helped that Rooney has been so desperate for a goal that he was shooting on sight and Sturridge just seems loath to pass to anyone.

We need a right back and an intelligent player to play alongside Cahill to tell him what to do.

If Barkley or Sterling can get some discipline midfield should be ok.

Finally Forster or another needs a move to a 'big' team, sadly think that we pick on team not on merit but perception.

Forget the odd freak result in qualifying games and the Euros, when was the last time we beat a top side in the actual WC Finals?

Think 1966 was the last time wasn't it?

Fucking serial bottlers!

Don't disagree but we are playing run into defenders and lose it and pass to the opposition so not exactly modern football either.

We'll dismantle Costa Rica and Italy will win their last two games.

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Not in the game I watched.

Turgid stuff. Little movement off the ball. Poor passing. Comedy diving. Carried very little threat. Combined with our inability to defend solidly for 90 mins. Was a normal England performance for me.

I thought both Italy and Uruguay were there for the taking. Hopefully this can put to bed the thought that we have any world class players. In fact if you picked 10 world teams we wouldn't have a player in them. 

Can't believe I'm saying this but maybe it's time to play ugly and bring in tony pullis. At least we might keep a clean sheet.

I think Sterling could do a job in couple of top 10 teams. Shame how our previous strength of having a strong defence but having a lack of pace has been reversed and we're now shite at the back...

England dive a lot. Pretty pathetic stuff.

I thought we were better than Uruguay and Italy.

We lost both games because we didn't take the chances we created and then we had momentary lapses in defence.

At this level that is what decides games and our failings are unacceptable.

Rooney should have scored more than one goal with the chances he's had over the two games. He has had more than enough chances now at major tournaments and it's time someone else had a chance. Why not Lambert? He might not be the answer but we'll never know unless we try. Same argument with Gerrard.

We weren't better though, as same old one dimensional stuff, that we've pumped out for the last 25 years. The better teams don't have to try that hard to beat us. My daughter's first time watching the world cup properly and she said Swindon would beat England, and I don't think that stretches incredibility much.

Sounds exactly like modern football.
I miss wingers and centre forwards.

Italy will piss all over Costa Rica and make sure they go through then rest half the side against Uruguay and play out the draw they will both be happy with. It won't matter what England do.

As a Swindon fan for over 30 years, it's fair to say that expectations have been met and  disappointment is something you learn to live with...

You know what the problem was the past two games? Two opposing strikers, both of whom are game changers.

We don't have players like them and we won't for a few years. No-one who can pull out that killer instinct or touch of class to level or pull ahead of an even game.

But let's not forget we should have had at least one penalty in the Italy game and Uruguay's captain should have been sent off tonight. All this wrist-slitting is going a bit far.

Yeah nail on head there. What did we all do in a previous life..

 Pre tournament, most sensible people suggested, it would be a major achievement to get out of this group. We didn't, so not really a surprise.  On balance Hodgson has done ok, and if he wants to carry on and see out his contract to the next Euro, then fair enough.

Nevertheless, needs a win v Costa Rica...or his job will be untenable.

Ah, you bunch of negative twats. Italy will storm past Costa Coffee and Uruguay, we'll smack Costa and whatever other goal differency bits or whatever we need. The unlikely salvation will galvanise the team, and Roy who will undergo a transformation not seen since the video of Rik Mayall's posthumous "For England and King Harry" smash hit, and thus energised we'll smash past a surprised Brazil in the quarters, then experience such a tumescent surge of self-belief we'll go on to win the thing. And tonight will go down in history as a "Ha ha do you remember when we thought we were out and how miserable everyone was?" moment.

You read it here first. And probably the only time you'll read it too :)

#Believe. #ROAAAAAAARRRRR. #UnlikelyBollocks

I never thought it would get to this Paul, but can you push some of those hallucinogenic substances my way? I could do with a laugh.

You missed #inittogether

:D

A good word....should be used more often.  If anybody asks "can you say a good word about England's display," then there's one.

The team were dubbed probably the worst England team in decades. They went out with a point to prove,  now there is no doubt.

Unfortunately there is no tactical master plan for countering not being good enough. Especially when you meet good teams.

Thought we did very well against Italy and were a bit unlucky. Yesterday I thought we reverted to bring too predictable and not being creative enough.

All the positivity and optimism after the Italy defeat quickly disappeared last night as we looked so average.

Rooney was more effective than against Italy but missed two good chances before scoring. I don't agree with the criticism Rooney receives but we will never win these kinds of games unless we have a top striker.

Did we even have a central midfield last night? Utterly ineffective and Gerrard fails to offer anything at all for England.

I was more excited about the launch of our new kit than the England game.

Nail on the head for me. Think Roy's been fairly creative and positive in his setup and selections, we just patently lacked quality in key areas.

we ended up in the Liverpool-Chelsea scenario last night.

when we equalised a point would probably been good enough to get through, but our national gung ho temperament, admirable as it is, meant we lost a goal while searching for the winner

difficult to know where we go from here. Personally, I'd throw the youngsters in, keep them  in and let the public realise that although results may not be what we want, it will at least give us a chance in the future - even if this means not qualifying for the next Euro Championships

I don't think a point would have been good enough. We had to go for it.

Didn't England lose their first two under Mike Bassett and still reached the semi-finals?

i don't think we lost a goal searching for a winner. It came from a goal kick for christ sake. When we saw that Smalling and phil Jones were our best reserve pairing at centre back then we knew we were in trouble defensively. Gerrard has been great but surely now had his day. Yet another 4 years down the swaneee. Big ask for Sterling to perform again twice in 5 days. he put himself about ok against Uruguayan hatchet men but like Wellbeck no real end product

Back to reality after the Italian game......pretty poor performance. Team looked extremely tense in the first half.....after many years of emotional input at World Cups / Euros the hope still remains otherwise there is no point in watching but acceptance that England national team is not good enough to be a serious contender and probably will never be...don`t really enjoy watching us play. Will watch the remained of the WC and will support Italy as I work for an Italian company.

Vieni Italia il mio vecchio amico

Aren't the next Euros extended to 32 teams or something? If we can't qualify for that there is something seriously amiss!

Yes but we had Kevin Tonkinson & Rufus Smalls and we played 4-4-fucking-2, not gonna happen this time.

Tactically we were better against the Italians. Playing a 4-2-3-1 suited us against their system as Sterling had acres of space.

Uruguay got it spot on. Their midfield hassled and harried and never allowed Sterling or Rooney time on the ball. When we exploited the space out wide, Baines got a few crosses in but Johnson frustrated mostly as he kept cutting infield instead of looking for the outside. When he did finally beat a man and put a cross in, we scored.

I don't think there was all that much difference between the two teams, except of the brilliance of Suarez. He only needs a sniff of a chance and he's in.

I'd change it up completely against Costa Rica. Get rid of the two defensive midfielders, Wilshire in the middle with Barkley, Lallana and Sterling wide, Rooney playing off Sturidge up front and play for the win.

The one player who impressed me last night who doesn;t seem to have got a mention was the small bald git in the midfield for Uruguay. Like a little pitbull - broke up play, fairly or otherwise and kept it simple.

Looking at the table, qualification is still very doable. Provided Italy win their next 2 games

having looked again though the goal difference makes it a bit of a stretch.

Therein lies the problem
We lack a natural goalscorer

Although Italy don't (I think). Maybe they can do us a favour?

Sad day when we rely on the Italians for qualification
TBH if we have to, we dont deserve to go thru

Not sure it's that difficult TBH.

To get thru it will have to finish with us, Uruguay and CR all on 3 points.

CR are +2 at the moment - they will have to lose to Italy tonight, so let's go worse case and say 1-0, they then go nto the game with us on +1 and us on -2. So, if we win 2-0 we go above them.

Uruguay are -1 at the moment so, again, worse case is that lose by only 1 goal to Italy - that makes them -2.

If we do, indeed, beat CR by 2 goals we will have a GD of 0 - better than Uruguay an Italy. Easy-peasy!

Phew!

hahaha. magic mushrooms?

Huh?

I assumed your mad ramblings were drug induced :)