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  PAOLO Di Canio has threatened to axe Wes Foderingham if the Town goalkeeper does not openly apologise for what his manager viewed as arrogance and ignorance during the 4-1 defeat at Preston.

           

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I think PDC is right Wes should apologies, the way he stormed off not even shaking Bedwell's hand and then kicking a bottle. Reminded me of a 5 year old throwing a paddy

It was petulant and immature, yes Wes was very upset about being subbed but did not behave in a professional manner when he left the field kicking the bottle onto the pitch and storming off down the tunnel.

Cudichini may be come free in the market....

Wes should appologyse but i doubt he will. Great keeper, great potential. We all kno PDC wot back down, even if he is wrong.

The only thing Paolo is wrong about is taking all this into the press.

Thank heavens the manager sets such a good example of maturity and professionalism then for all the players to follow

What has he done to the same extent since being here?

..... or more to the point, what he said to the press. The ultimatum was very foolish and could leave us without a senior keeper.

Doesn't absolve Wes of responsibility though. From what I've heard Wes was acting a cock even before he was subbed.

Uh.......how many clean sheets has Wes had...? how can anyone think DiCanio is right about this...?

Wes will bugger off now and we will be left with an 18 year old goalkeeper....fan fucking tastic. But DiCanio is untouchable......wot.....? :hmmm:

It's something we have to accept. Personally, I can handle PDC's no-nonsense approach. It's the washing of dirty linen in public that I find difficult to take. They were just having a big laugh about it on Sky News. Trouble is PDC is starting to become a parody of himself. He can be fairly unprofessional himself in all honesty.

Still, he is what he is. In sickness and in health and all that.

So you didn't hear the 20 minute dummy spitting tantrum on the radio yesterday? Or when Caddis was booted out? It's like having a teenage girl as manager.

They both went ott. I'm hoping this has now been sorted behind closed doors and hands shook-agreed to move on.
The danger with individual player bust ups is that they can spread to others. Eventually that will happen here if Di canio continues to slate players and have bust ups with them. They can't all be shipped out and him then going hands held out to the chairman for replacements.

ALL players are expected to tow the line, Wes is no exception.

And who the fuck said Di Canio is untouchable? Asides from nobody, that is.

Yeah he's backed himself into a corner with that one.

I don't care that he's taken Fods off, he's perfectly entitled to. As I said over on FF and on Twitter and on here actually, they should all take a leaf out of Connell's book.

Uh.....the clean sheets are the defence not just the keeper....di canio is the manager he manages this team he makes the decision. not wes not you not me not wray only PDC. If Players think they are immune from being subbed then they are fools.

On the flip side, those goals conceeded were collective mistakes. Not down to the keeper alone who was singled out

Absolutely right on both points. What Di Canio said was probably correct and Foderingham probably did need taking down a peg or two. But in private. Not even in front of the rest of the team, much less the whole world.

He's pretty much backed Foderingham into a corner that almost forces him out. And pretty much publicly ripped up the contract of one of our most valuable playing assets because that interview's constructive dismissal with spades on.

Foderingham's agent must have spent last night pissing himself with laughter while he rang round every Championship manager offering them one of the best keepers in the League on a free for "only a small consideration for the agent"

I worry a little about the potential divide that this could cause in the dressing room. We all know what happened when DW 'lost' the dressing room.

I don't think that has happened here yet, but there is certainly a strong chance that it could unfortunately.

He did it on the radio he was asked a question he answered it honestly he never kicked a bottle and stormed off after Wes which he could have he let it go. Is he not allowed to speak the truth can he not air his feelings? He is the voice of our team he speaks for the fans(obviously not all of us)

And what are they if they think the manager is immune from any sort of control...? or is that ok. You can`t go off on one every time you lose a game or if someone makes a mistake. Wes is 20 / 21 years old and has without question been a part of our success - he is the guy making the saves after all.

If PDC would of made 2 changes instead of just Wes would this of happened? maybe not. i agree though wes has been singled out but wes has not done himself any favours

Not yesterday he wasn't.

There's speaking the truth and there's having a self-indulgent tantrum. It was toe-curlingly embarrassing, grossly unprofessional and has almost certainly (again) cost the club hundreds of thousands in trashing the value of one of our most valuable playing assets.

Wes has just trashed the whole club by how he acted most fans probably think all our players are like this. If wes would have took it on the chin di canio would of never of had a "Tantrum" if Di Canio would have refused to give an interview people would cry about that. By the way are you not used to him doing this by now? and if not why listen to him?

And the part about trashing the value of wes well he has had a hand in this by throwing his own tantrum

I blame the football league for this, if they'd given us a saturday fixture against anyone else or even the town/city/shithole (*delete as apporiate) for having that trade guild thingy meaning the match couldn't take place on saturday then it wouldn't have caused any problems and we'd all happy as larry right. posting on the trival happy thread.

Foderingham behaved unprofessionally, no two ways about it. I expect better from any half-competent manager, both in terms of behaving as an adult, never mind a professional, and in terms of man management.

Di Canio is behaving like a self-indulgent spoiled teenager and it is costing the club hundreds of thousands. So long as that is balanced with largely upward results, he'll get away with it. Once he hits a wobble though, he's leaving himself nowhere to go. I wonder if that's at least in part deliberate - burning the bridges behind him as a way of trying to force himself to succeed?

By kicking a water bottle. Really? I don't think so.

I've burned all my old Town shirts in shame because of WaterBottleGate.

That all you got?  :clap:

Interesting points made here.

Makes you come down with an almighty bump alright.
Very sad to witness that yesterday after clocking up more miles and cost.

Damage limitation is I can get over a loss more than losing a quality keeper.
I wish these issues were kept in the dressing room as they just back people into difficult corners.
Players, Manager and Board.

To put another spin on the whole saga I see Caddis was MOM Saturday no surprises and a great player as is Fodds.
Please, please, please not another player casulty this early in the season.

Not very green is it?  Surely better to have cut them up and used them for stuffing a cushion or something.

Nail on the head as usual Duke.

It would have until the after match interview from pdc. if not for wes, damn you wes.

So in different ways, they're both to blame for the fuckfest the club is now embroiled in.  Until both parties recognise this - and both parties apologise for their part in it - we'll get a Mexican stand off, nothing will get resolved, and Wes will be gone.  Just like Caddis.

We've seen this before.  Unless someone gets them in a room - and Jeremy Wray is probably the only person who can do that - bangs some heads together and gets a genuine apology from both sides, then I'm not optimistic.

And one final thing.  Who benefits from all of this being trailed on live radio?

The players?  No.
The manager?  No.  (Media thinks he's a figure of fun at the moment.)
The fans?  No.  (One thing we all seem to be united on is that these conversations would be so much more productive and motivational if they happened in private.)
The club?  No.

I'm struggling here.  Actually, no I'm not.

The opposition?  Yes.
Any of our regular detractors (Oxford etc.) or anyone who fancies having a pop at STFC?  Yes.

If there is one lesson learned from this, please let it be that PDC should not have sole discretion about what gets said to the media.  He needs support and advice in this area.

Who will Di Canio take advice from?

The sad thing was that he didn't even connect with that very well!

It was blindingly obvious fro the 1st goal that something wasn't right in the back 5 as they played like they barely knew each other and were just arguing all the time, I do wonder if there is more than meets the eye to this. Don't get me started on Navarro who seemed to spend the first 20 mins berating everyone around him!

This whole case seems to illustrate the paradox of modern football and perceived player power, everyone moans that they have too much power, then if they are substituted 20 mins in they have been disrespected.

I don't think anyone, even of Paolos staunchest supporters would disagree with that comment.

I was thinking about this yesterday.  He's a talented Manager - but not the finished article and he does need a mentor.  If PDC does not have someone there who he respects and can look him in the eye and tell him 'I think you got that one wrong', then we have to change that.  Piccareta, maybe?  Or Jeremy Wray.  (Not that a Chairman should have to be getting his hands dirty with problems like this.)

We will know the outcome of this much sooner than the pdc V caddis situation. We cant go through the league with Bedwell and no stand in for the next three games like we did with the caddis. PDC's own ambitions will be at risk if this is dragged out. If an emergency keeper comes in then Wes is off. Watched the you tube vid of the skysports news coverage and by christ did Wes look fuming.

I do kind of feel a bit for Wes on this front though. It's about as humilating as it gets for a keeper to be subbed early like that. However that doesn't excuse his reaction when coming off as mentioned above.

Both Wes and Paolo are clearly talented and proud people who made errors of judgment in the way they reacted to failure yesterday. However they are in my opinion both crucial components of any success we might have this season, and for that reason I hope they can sack up and sort this out quickly. That is clearly what is in the best interests of the club, which should come above even their individual professional pride.

Maybe 'arry redknapp could give him a ring and give him a bit of advice.  Or perhaps get a dog so you can hide your bungs (this is obviously not true - arry is whiter than white) is not the advice needed.

I was having a chat with Nick Bamosomi during the game yesterday and were talking about something similar.

What I feel is that maybe Paolo needs an experienced assistant to aid him, one who has got the people management skills that Paolo can learn from (I know nothing about Fabrizio Piccareta but he does seem like he is a bit of a Paolo yes man).

Someone that when he sees Paolo about to do something like he did yesterday to say to him "hold on a sec" this may not be the best choice you have ever done" shall we talk about it and reassess this at half time in the dressing room.

The voice of reason that sometimes Paolo has missing but one that maybe he can learn from, a bit like John Gorman.

Whilst I don't like pauld's constant trashing of all things PDC, I do feel he has a point there.

I can't see PDC accepting the humiliation of an advisor - nobody tells Paolo di Canio how to behave. Paolo di Canio has got on very well being Paolo di Canio. Paolo di Canio wants assistants, players, captains, chairman who just do what Paolo di Canio says - he said as much when he gave McCormack the armband. Paolo doesn't negotiate. You follow or you fall. Paolo di Canio goes onward.

It was handled badly by both parties, I just hope they kiss and make up, and move on.

Rash decision to substitute Wes after 20 minutes, he should've given it until half-time, then have a chat with him, a bollocking if need be. But to haul him off after 20 minutes was unnecessary in my opinion, I can understand why Wes was fuming, it must've been humiliating.

I've tried not to comment on PDC at all actually since his appointment, until yesterday. But thanks for the back-handed ack

I was going to say this but you beat me to it. If he'd have done it at half time it would have been better for everybody.

He obviously had a problem with Wes before the game - why start with him?

Deliberately humiliate him in public? I'd hate to think that was the case

I agree with this but equally what was he supposed to do - the way they were playing we could have been 4 or 5 down by half time if he didnt make a change as they were like bloody strangers at the back. Not saying it was right to take Wes off but something had to change and why should it be any differenmt to taking an outfield player off.

Nah I don't buy that he set out to humiliate him.

Not that he would, but Roberto Mancini might be someone he'd listen to for a chat....Played for and managed Lazio, and jhas been known to have the odd truculent player....Mancini's favoured method is allegedly to fight them.

And for anyone who missed it, it's being repeatedly replayed on SSN who are calling it another classic Di Canio rant and revelling in the latest 'Di Canio and player fallout'. 

The next clip shown was Di Canio being substitued and reacting in an extremely similar manner to Wes to which the comment 'maybe he needs to practice what he preaches' was made by one of the presenters. 

Good to see he trained today as normal.

A couple of helpful youtube links (god bless the internet!)...

Mainly on Paolo's interview:                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlsH1ufFURE
The match stuff (shaky camerawork):   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCYxWP-1xbY

But a goalkeeper is not above being dropped if he makes a mistake (or series of).

Maybe he didn't have a choice but to play Wes (instead of a youngster) and gave Wes a chance after rollicking him then saw no improvement in Wes's attitude / play so thought fk it, you are off.

All my assumptions I must add.

But he wasn't dropped was he - he was subbed

Spot on as usual, Ardiles.

Not disputing that at all. However it isn't the same as subbing an outfield player, Keepers do get a bit more leeway in terms of getting subbed in a game. All good keepers have the odd howler, but in the 19-odd years I've been watching football very rarely do top keepers get brought off because of it.

Basically I'm not saying it wasn't within Paolo's rights to make the change, but I can understand why Foderingham would have been annoyed, embarrassed, etc for it to happen.

I was ready to side with PDC yesterday but his rant over Foderingham today is hard to defend, he can't keep doing this everytime there's a problem as we'll quickly run out of players at the rate he's going.

Official Twitter: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.

Yes!

He's apologised then.

edit.

beat me to it

Thank fuck for that. Now lets move on.

 :beers:  :clap:

Lets hope this hasn't crushed his confidence to the point of no return..

ditto

Wes back in tomorrow night then?  :D

Best news of the Day apart from the PNE guy posting pictures.

Takes a Man to apologise and a bigger one to post pictures on a forum.
PDC should hang these pictures up on the changing room door and team talk done.

"He is laughing at you".............. :)

Can I ditto your ditto?

Good work Jezza

Best news possible.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radioplayer/live/

Talking about Swindon in the next 20 mins or so interviewing Sam Morshead about yesterday and todays events.

I'm still outraged about something or other, you lot can decide what

Hopefully we can all move on now.

The Thai pizza companies have for some inexplicable reason changed their dough. Their thin and crispy crusts are no longer thin and crispy. Imagine the disappointment should you find yourself craving for a thin and crispy crust pizza in Thailand at some point in the future.

Personally, I'm distraught.

That's all you knead!



<runs>

Dough!  :doh:

I can't top that

That pun takes some topping.

Bollocks you beat me.

 ;D

at least you have a strong base to work with

I want a pizza the action

Tweeted by Sam Morshead "Just out of PDC press conference. All resolved. Foderingham available for Oxford."

Thats the yeast you'll get

Sensationalist rubbish!

what kind of world do we live in?

at least you didn't pay £5 for a sandwich.

Over 10 puns and not 1 made me smile not even a giggle no pun in ten did

 :nod:

That is actually quite good.

I actually lolled! Good work DRS.

 :clap:

Superb.

Sam Morshead on Talksport now ....

What's that got to do with pizza?

fuck all

well that was a bit of something and nothing wasnt it.

PDC on SSN now. Today's presser.

That interview to me suggests he aint going to hang round much longer

Adrian Durham just backed PDC's stance.  Said Wes is a good keeper with a future in the game but a bit of a knob on twitter!

Did I hear that right from him

'Sooner or later, probably sooner, they will have a new manager'

 :eek: Unless he means he's selling them all!

Also not sure if he told the fans that were not happy about it to go and watch Oxford FFS

Dont sound all over to me

I don't use Twitter. Has there been anything recently to back that up?

Didn't he say something like that last year too?

After the Rovers game I think.

He aint calmed down any.

Nearing the end I reckon

Dunno.  Not a massive user myself.  Anyone else help?

He does come across as a complete knobber on Twitter but not really any more than the usual level of dickheadedness that you get from all footballers.

Why oh why does he (or given permission to) give another interview?

Stoking the fires again

I thought that's what most a lot of the posters on here have doing since yesterday, tbh.

Quite right, lets not discuss things on a discussion forum.

And there was me thinking he'd be our manager forever and ever.

He's on the edge

Is that a pizza pun gag?

Yes, because that's what I said, wasn't it?

Well, what did you mean?

I don't know what we're going to take away from this?

Pizza?

pepperoni passion, perhaps?

Just understood the context

He was referring to the fans

Fucks sake one person makes a pun and you get a right Dominos effect

Paolo needs to stop reading thisis.

That doesn't make it sound much better to be honest.

Fuck sake there is a live camera at the County Ground now at SSN. He's had an argument with a player, shock horror. No need for all this media attention. Why didn't we have this attention when we beat Stoke?

Why cant he just shut the fuck up for once

aside from the pizza related puns what the fuck is going on?

He gave yet another interview

Said the Wes situation is resolved

Didnt like the fans criticism told them if they didnt like the way he does things they can come to the CG and will given them their ST money back and they can go and watch Oxford

We dont need fans like these!!

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/wesheatofthemoment-350318.aspx

No idea, no one has ACTUALLY posted what was said so most of us can't comment as we havent seen or heard the interview.

According to Sam Morshead it is all sorted and everyone has moved on, thats all I can go by.

I hope its available online soon so we can make out own conclusions and not be told what other peoples interpretation of the interview was.

To be honest if he can't take any criticism from fans after making a crazy decision he isn't going to last long as a manager.
The bloke has done wonders since he's been here, but he can't expect every fan to back his every move.
Its part of footballl, the players get moaned at, the board get moaned at, the ref gets moaned at and so does the manager.

I meant a lot of posters on here have fanned the flames. We lost; Wes got sulky when subbed; PdC was unprofessional when interviewed straight after the game and said some things that, whilst he may felt them, should have been said behind closed doors. That's it, isn't it? Instead, we've had people coming up with large amounts of shite and stirring it gleefully.
di Canio's going, Foderingham's going, people are going to stay away, we're a laughing stock, other players will want away, Paolo's a disgrace, etc, etc, etc.
Discussion is great, over reaction is boring and becoming all too common. (This is obviously just my opinion).

Wes isn't the problem now

Reckon it's PdC that owes the fans an apology now over that fucking rant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZqkyvyRJVg&feature=plcp

Sounds to me like him and Wes are fine, its more he's fucked off with the fans response questioning his decision.

there's something fishy going on here.....anchovies ?

Just saw the SSN interview. I thought he was pretty sane for once and made some good points.

I don't want any apology, from him or Wes. I just want them to concentrate on winning football matches.

Can't agree. I've been supporting for 40 years and I dont want to be told be him to go and watch Oxford

He can fuck right off

Get a win against the filth and all will be forgiven, as far as i'm concerned everything was sorted when Wes and PDC sorted themselves out. The problem with getting to a cup final and winning a league is that the expectation levels rise. But if you read some of the comments on thisis you'd think we were going bust or fighting relegation.

Having watched it I don't see the problem, he is a passionate manager, something we aren't used to having at Swindon.

He is basically saying he wants the fans to trust his decisions as he is the manager, it does not at all state that he is going to leave, yet again people twisting his words to suit their own ends I think.

Apologies, I read it as you were saying anyone not backing PDc were fanning the flames that would make him quit.

Yes there have been some OTT reactions, I've probably been guilty of that.

The important thing here is Wes and PDC have called a truce. Now we can move on. Not sure what PDC was hoping to achieve by making the alleged 'go support Oxford' remark though.  Best ignored I think.

Now, back to putting those yellow arseholes in their place...

Oh dear. Watch the video again. He was referring to to those fans that went totally ott about his decision to sub Wes. (Although, if you're one of them it was aimed at you).

And you're OK with the "Fans who criticise can fuck off and watch Oxford" stuff? Hunt and McMahon got hounded out of Town for that

IF, big if, this is accurate and not out of context, PDC can do one, with immediate effect.

Agreed! Supporting your Club is a passionate business and we sometimes get so wrapped up in it we lose a bit of reason.
Something that most of us can readily identify with in Paolo...

It is totally accurate.

He can do one then :)

Then what does he mean by saying

'They will sooner, probably sooner, or later have a new manager'

Don't get too touchy, that clearly wasn't aimed at the whole fanbase....

"Go to Oxford, not to Swindon... because we don't need these kind of supporters"

So only compliant hero-worshippers are welcome at the CG

Wahay, hello Paul. Sorry if I don't debate PdC with you, you're not exactly neutral with regard to him, are you?
As to his comments, how many on here regularly slate some of our fans for their comments on the phone in, or thisis, or twitter, or the facebook page? We have a percentage of fans who are total dicks and we all know it. Get a grip people FFS.

I don't think he said that.
Calm down dear.

But stupid comments from fans is nowhere near the same as THAT comment from our manager

Fucking hell have I missed something, has Di Canio told his critics to fuck off and watch Oxford?

Nor are you. Or any of us come to that. Whatever you think of him, he's a bit Marmite like that isn't he? :)

Seriously, how is he different from McMahon?

Meltdown averted for now at least  :D

I don't agree with all of what comes with Paolo but as Swindon fans we have had to put up with so much shit over the past few years that's it's actually refreshing to see a manager actually care and have pride in what he's trying to do here.  

 :popcorn:

That is a statement that if the fans don't back the manager then he will leave, simple.

This happens with EVERY manager in their career, the fans turn on them and they leave or get sacked.

This is what he is insinuating, that if the fans don't back Paolo then he could leave. The thing is the doubters will ALWAYS shout louder than the backers when something happens.

The same can apply to every single manager who has ever managed.

Or is it that I just don't sensationalize things he says and try and read into them the positives instead of the negatives all the time? maybe I am wrong, if I am then so be it.

Exactly that

"Come to the County Ground, I give you the [season ticket] money back. Or don't come to the County Ground, go to Oxford, watch the game, not to Swindon because we don't need this kind of supporters"

This is fucking spot on.

And this

Oh for fucks sake.......

We have some very sensitive souls on here. People should stop reading every line of every PdC interview and dissect it for meaning. He's extremely passionate and allows that passion to run away with him sometimes especially when dealing with the media. This isn't something new, he's been like that since his very first press conference and so we should be used to it by now. I didn't take it literally when he said we were like Barcelona and I don't take him literally now. Chill.

He hasn't sold JAF for peanuts? Oh and he's funny, passionate and has the team playing the best style of football I've seen at the CG since Hoddle. I know what you mean though and of course it could all change if results continue to decline, or a load more players are shipped out. For me though, it's going to take more than yesterday and today before I start attacking him.
(And I fucking love marmite).

 :)I bet you've been waiting for this day for the last year and a bit haven't you? :-)

He's starting to sound more and more like the B'mth chairman with each outburst just without the alcohol

Fighting fans on the pitch next perhaps?

Just mentioning it in passing like

Everything must be taken in context. How many people moaned about a lack of passion from Paul Hart??! And now we're moaning about a manager who's possibly too passionate?

TBH I am loving watching STFC these days, never a dull moment. Beats the hell out of only a couple of seasons ago where our players lost and barely appeared to be trying and then having to listen to that idiot Hart explain why our players couldn't even be bothered to try their hardest?


I'd rather have a passionate Italian lunatic in charge, than return to that!  :smugfu:

Just in case some of those who need a reminder...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/9466317.stm

No. I'm just sick of it.

Sorry, which bit was crazy?  Subbing someone he thought was underperforming?  That's madness, madness I tell ya!

You are missing the point though. No one is questioning his results.

We are questioning his tenure because most of the time he's a fucking cock.

You will probably counter this with something along the lines of "Do I want to us to lose every week so long as a nice bloke is in charge?"

Well, no, I just don't like the idea of the club being managed by a lunatic, racist sociopath who is hell-bent on falling out with anyone who has an opinion not identical to his. Plenty of capable managers who aren't fuckwits out there.

I'll give you lunatic, but racist sociopath? The situation has been resolved, hasn't it? PdC said Wes is available for selection hasn't he? People just need to calm the fuck down.

Will all the old dears who are getting their knickers in a twist please calm the fuck down.  Thanks.

On a more serious note does he mention something about chocolate halfway in?

Paul, do you go anymore?

Yeah, fuck knows what that was about!

Something about the fans being upset because they'd had too much chocolate? Who knows. Just seen his interview from today on the OS, more level headed and quite amusing. Says Wes has to be fined - can't just make do with apology - otherwise next time he subbed Ritchie, MR would 'shoot at me with a gun' and then just say sorry.

Mad as a hatter.

i don't have a season ticket so therefore this wasn't aimed at me :)

Foderingham's apology now on the OS.

Read that again tomorrow morning, and I guarantee you'll feel really embarrassed.

Wes has just tweeted a link to his OS apology.

yeah just read it. sounds like it's all sorted. lets move on

I often wonder if people feel really embarrassed about posts made in the heat of the moment, I suppose we will find out tomorrow.

Did you feel really embarrassed after you threatened to find me and assault me for posting an Ian Huntley joke? ;)

Having PDC as manager is like having an ugly, stroppy girlfriend who's filthy in bed. You want to get rid but you'll miss the filth and worry that you'll never find a nice bird that's as dirty.

I think you may have embellished that story a little!

but there's only so much shit you can take..

Ha

I think Barry made a similar analogy once

oh

 sorry Barry,subconscious theivery

Paolo likes dressing up and being pissed on?

Ahhhh it makes sense now, cheers yeo.

Nobody is knocking him as a superb football manager, or his passion, or his general 'appeal' but he just never seems to know when to stay schtum.

He had absolutely no need to mention the fans at all, let alone telling a section of them to go and watch Oxford.

If any of his players never learnt their lesson after one mistake we know what that would mean.

And they are still repeating the whole episode ad infinitum on SSN

Very interesting to hear the latest rendition on SSN - still telling the fans to come to the CG and get their ST money back but


NO MENTION OF WATCHING OXFORD INSTEAD

Unfortunately you cant put the genie back in the bottle

Ah right cheers, I haven't heard it, presumably though he wasn't referring to all critical ST fans...?

I think what it boils down to is if you are happy to take the wins against stoke wigan and days at wembley and promotion,not to mention quality defensive records etc being broken then you also have to be prepared and accept that we got those things because basically the bloke is a fucking lunatic.

Listen,we only see the half of it,the board and the players see a hell of alot worse than what we see,BUT the players still go and perform and the board still back him,do you know why? because for as much as he is a total cock and a lunatic the players and the board(who know him better than us)know ultimatly that whether we get good or bad press or if some opponont fans or even our own precious ones get offended that whatever way he does it it is fucking working.

What fucks me off in all this that the fans who are saying all this shit about he should accept the booing and criticism he got yesterday are the same cunts who will be the first to say you should never boo your own players,tell me the difference?

Also good to see the posters back when things go wrong,suprise eh

Ok fair enough, but we all know your views on him, why keep restating them?
It just seems to me that you've been waiting for this "told you so" moment!!

Would you ever boo your own player during a game?

To be honest, at times I wish some of our fans would fuck off and watch someone else.

I salute you master of DiCanioeese!

I don't half struggle to interpret our lovable Italian nutjobs exact meanings at times and often give him the benefit of the doubt. Pleased you're here to correct me though...  ;)

All good points

Good post. After 30 minutes shovelling gravel I may have re-evaluated my view

Yeah, was to be expected. People can't help themselves I suppose.

Club is in its best shape for years with a fantastic squad of players and a wonderful board. Yet you'd of thought we're about to go into administration and get relegated listening to some doom mongers.

The only person I have ever boo-ed, or whatever it was I was actually bellowing, was Steve McMahon.

Incessantly - I just knew from the outset he was a wrong 'un

One game, fuelled by the best the CGH could offer, I spent nearly the whole game shouting

'Get that scouser out'

Agreed, after all he was bald, scouse... and bound to rob my house apparently!

If that's aimed at me, I was "back" well before this weekend. But more than happy to fuck off again if non-hero worshipping isn't acceptable.

I actually agree with most of the rest of what you said FWIW. And said something similar yesterday

Kerry Red and DMR have got their signs made up already

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I am unable to disagree with any of that.

I would like put on file that my ONLY gripe was the Oxford reference

"Back" for what though?? Your moment in the spotlight to tell everyone how right you were about him in the first place - Give it a rest, please!!

Paolo is right. I wish some of the mongs on thisis would go support Pxford instead

Your opinion is worthless. You don't even go to games ;)

But people are allowed to have their opinions - and I'm sure that come kick off time they will ALL be supporting the team.

Exactly his point. I agree with him on that too.

this is correct

One thing that we can all surely agree on is that Paolo is absolutely fucking batshit mental.

ex fucking actly

Nope, been posting for months without a single word about PDC until this weekend. And none of this has any bearing on what I originally (and still) object to about him. If we follow this line of reasoning, are you saying that anyone who has previously thought it wasn't a good idea to employ Di Canio cannot now comment on his let's be honest pretty unreasonable behaviour?

Oh yes.

Of course not, but it's pretty hard to discount your stance on him, isn't it?

If the cap fits ;) what i meant was here and on the comments you know that as soon as something goes wrong people are on it like a rash,they thrive off it. No hero worshipping from me i have already said i think what he did yesterday was wrong but if after over a year people are still shocked by this from him and boo his substitutions then what he said after he is right,they are better off fucking off

I don't think anyone has come out of this well, all could have handled it better.  I especially expect a 44 year old man to have more control over his emotions...however, as some have said you take the rough with the smooth with di Canio.  For all the success, there is a price to pay.

Now that Foderingham has apologised, we should move on, but di Canio should be careful about making 'go and watch Oxford' comments, it's not good to be in the same company as Rikki Hunt and Steve McMahon.

No, I think the issue is you, by your own admission, have chosen not to post for months on PDC but then when the wheels look like falling off you're there posting on PDC, taking an as and when it suits attitude.

Going by the admittedly miked up radio commentary there would only have been 200 left in Preston.

It happened last season with Connell and it will happen next time he does the same thing. I guarantee you'll be hard pushed to find a set of fans in the football leagues that wouldn't react the same way.

Except Spurs fans, they a patient and never boo anyone.

I think it suits every Swindon fan to post on this topic, not just Paul.

Count yourself lucky (no pun intended). I can understand all of it and sometimes it doesn't make sense

I kept quiet throughout the Caddis fiasco and FWIW I don't think the wheels look like falling off now either. I just had a bit of an "Oh FFS" thing yesterday and let myself get dragged in. Please accept my apologies, it won't happen again.

As for the "as and when it suits attitude" I hadn't realised there was a quota we had to maintain

You cunt, of course there's a quota...80% bollocks I believe. (something about cheese).

Everyone is full of apologies today aren't they.

There is no quota so don't worry about your perceived ignorance of that. I look forward to your future views on PDC in the forthcoming days, weeks and months when you post on the mediocre and success stories PDC has too.

I like processed cheese.

There, I said it.

There isn't. Of course you are as entitled as anyone to comment, whatever your views. As I previously posted though, it's hard not to look past your obvious dislike of Paolo the man when you are commenting on Paolo the manager. Good to have you back though and I hope you keep posting.

Freak.

I agree,what i am trying to say though and as you know i am a bit thick and struggle to say it clearly  ;) is,why do some fans who think booing a player is an awful thing think it is ok to also boo the manager during the game?

Also i find it interesting that he mentions Mourinho in that interview as i have said for a long time that whenever we lose(like morinho) the defeats actually always gets deflected away from the players and straight onto him,is this a conscious thing i dont know? but as i say it has worked up til now

Something else we can all agree on.

I like cheese in tubes

I'll eat it on any form of public transport.

That really is freaky!

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fools!

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Ham in a tube?

And 17% fett, of course.  Go Boba!

12k posts says otherwise  ;)

Primula cheese spread.  The taste of my childhood.  Along with findus crispy pancakes (not on the same plate).   That was Sunday lunch for a large part of my childhood.

Primula is another great Norwegian invention.

Ha ha. It actually says "Get a life".

I don't even like cheese
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_hlMK7tCks

You'll claim anything for Norway these days.  Are Dairylea cheese triangles Norwegian as well?

Ironic considering Norway invented the Cheese Slicer.

Likewise though some people seem to worship him like some sort of Demigod who can do no wrong, they're just as fucking annoying as those who still bleat on about his views.

pauld - don't let some of the mongs get you down, you're one of the more valued contributors on this forum so keep it up.

Do I need to add "IMHO"?

I think Paul can post equally well erect or flaccid...

True. But I don't think there's many who think he's faultless, is there?

True but I don't think there's many left that constantly go on about him and his views either. I guess maybe they're just more vocal??

Fair comment.

No, but a few jumped straight at Wes without knowing the facts (as best as anyone can) but then equally some jumped straight at Paolo.

I sat firmly in the middle so as to be a perfect devils advocate, in a Jeremy Vine style.

This IMO as well!

I'd also like to add that I think Wes has been very mature in offering an apology today. I wonder how many others would have decided to walk after their manager slated them like that live in an interview?  I think he's actually come out of this in a better light than Di Canio (again my opinion only).

Oh, I see.

The solution to this hypocrisy is simple. Everyone should boo everything at all times.

Boooooooooo!!!!!!

That's the spirit. Booo.

I don't think anyone is in any doubt about who you think is at fault in all of this, you have made your point clear in many many posts that you fully blame PdC for the Wes debacle and the Caddis incident.

Point taken.

Boooo-urns.

Excellent...

Very good, Batch. :)

Well all I can say is..

THANK FUCK FOR THAT.

I really didn't think he would apologize.

Why don't you just click on the ignore button, as in your eyes everything I say is completely invalid.  Is it just because it's not the same view as yours, or possibly because I'm female and you don't think I should have a view?

FWIW I love Di Canio being our manager, I just think he could react better in certain situations.  I'll have forgotten about it completely at 3pm on Saturday when the match kicks off and I'll back him and the team like I do every week.

What about Wednesday?  ;)

Definitely the latter. Now stick the kettle on love ;)

WTF? when have I ever thought your opinion was invalid? I don't know you and have never paid attention to any of your posts until you started openly criticising Paolo over the Caddis thing.

When you obviously did not know what was happening but guessed that Paolo was wrong.

And FWIW I had no idea you were a female so don't throw at me the fucking sex argument.

Your posts of late do not come accross as you loving Paolo but quite the opposite you fairly and squarely blamed him for Caddis and now Wes.

Oh dear Jo, bit of a low blow bringing out the female card. That's the beauty of the forum other than JFW and STFCbird I have no idea who's a no tail at all, oh and Larwood.

Get over yourself.

My take on PDC is he's italian and as such he says what he thinks. People need to realise it's a national trait to say what you think and move on. Hence the Wes is shit theme of yesterday and difference in approach of today. Also people need to give a bit of credit to the players and stop wrapping them up in cotton wool, they're grown men ffs.

Iz it becoz I iz black?

I also think we shouldn't underestimate the combination of dodgy English and Paolo being a nutcase

I must admit I thought we'd hear more of this type of comment, thankfully everyone seems to have agreed that Clarke and Tehoue are cunts and moved on.

That was in response to Flasheart by the way.

Football has always and always will be very different work to anything else. Whenever there is an argument or falling out it's generally in public and in front of the newspapers and TV.

What happens in the majority of cases in football is the same as all of us when there's a falling out at work, you just get over it and get on with it.

Agreed.

Some pillock on another forum actually suggested the Wez saga is because he's black.

I've always thought that for someone who must have lived in Britain for the best part of 10 years, his English is ropey. Especially when every foreigner who can speak 5 languages says "Ingleesh iz ezee".

Suppose he got off to a rough start with living in Glasgow...

I think Italians can struggle with English as most of their words end in a vowel, therefore they struggle ending our words as they should.

Incidentally that Conor Thompson lad has just signed for Chippenham.

So, who do we think got Sky to edit out the 'go watch Oxford' part of PdC's rant in the subsequent airings?

But we ARE going to Oxford...

Ah, but he didn't day 'go watch Oxford GET BEAT'

Sorry, but I'm going to have to take this thread back a few pages.


Deviant!

If Paolo were to turn up at your door in person (he won't, because you live in Bangkok) and tell you to 'Fuck off and support Oxford' for that, I'd have to back him all way.

You crossed the line there.

It's great with burgers

Yep another processed cheese fan here. Obviously I like real cheese too though. A combination of both can be brilliant.

Toasted sandwich with a thick cut of ham and melted cheese slices. Yum.

Why would you feel the need to process  :cheese:

Ha, sorry I meant the next game I was attending.  I shall listen on the radio on Weds, but shall try to refrain from posting for fear of upsetting anyone  :)


Thought you knew I was female, so apologies for that.

In terms of Caddis.  He asked for a few days off on paternity leave, it was refused, he was pissed off, we know the rest.  Personally I don't think it would have hurt to have given him a few days off, but others will disagree.

I love my husband and kids (in a different way to Paolo obviously), but it won't stop me blaming them when I think they've done something wrong  :D

I don't particularly want to get into an online row, that's not the purpose I post on the forum.  Apologies if I've offended you.  I'm done with this thread.

Converstaions with non-native speakers can cause all sorts of problems.

Just the other week the misses told me she had a good meeting with Phillip. I'm wondering who this Phillip person is. She kept going on to say how confident she is of a deal but I had to stop her......

Me: Who is Phillip?
Her: You know, Phillip!
Me: No, I don't know Phillip
Her: Yes you do, we have Phillip's TV?
Me: We have whose TV?
Her: Phillip

Confused as fuck yours truly looks at the TV convinced it was ours and there it was. Of course, it was a Phillips TV, she'd had a meeting with Phillips but could not pronounce the 's'. I now refer to said company as Phil.

That's news to me

Fuck, now we will never find out if joteddy likes processed cheese.

Di canios comments will piss the pox fans off so that will do for me. he is nuts absolutely barmy

I'm taking 2 weeks when my little one makes an appearance. In Mauritius.

She dosn't....apparently some Barmy Italian once offered her a processed cheese sandwich while on holiday in Lanzarotte.....she politely refused and he went fucking barmy....wanted an apology the whole shebang. ;D

Wray was just on 5live. Thank fuck he is chairman is all I have to say. Dignified and sensible.backs his manager completely too

What did he say?

Don't tell him Pike :)

 :D :D

Pdc clearly playin mind games right now. He deliberately provoked the all situation to show the guys theqy can't relax one bit. Let's how it plays put.. I think this loss and this episode can be blessing in disguise.

When did he say that??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZqkyvyRJVg&feature=player_embedded

I flipping love Di Canio!

He is nuts.

Many people say that as though it's a bad thing, I think being bonkers is an admirable quality. There should definitely be more lunatic managers in the game.

I do feel uneasy about the new manager bit though.

Indeed dirty cheese is the only option with a burger

I'm pretty sure he's said similar last season.

After the Rovers game wasn't it?

I cannot be arsed to go through all these threads but please tell me someone has deleted their account in disgust  - I will be angry if they haven't!

all will be forgotten when he is waiving his scarf in the middle of the kebab stadium pitch on wednesday night goading the piss stained shirt wearing deluded cunts

I really hope that happens

Amen to that

All the people boing McMahon non stop were never sitting round me the one time I tried a "one Chris Kamara" chant.

From the reaction, I was waiting to get hustled out by people in Burberry into the back of a car with blacked out windows and clubbed all the way up the M6.

Though it could be I'm just a gutless coward.

Yeah, I think he did.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned....

There was a 15 minute section on the 'incident' on Radio 5's Monday Night Club tonight including an interview with Wray. Available on iPlayer (starts at 1h39m);

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mdgqq/5_live_Sport_The_Monday_Night_Club_03_09_2012/

After it (not on the above clip) John Motson said he has some man love (my words) going on for Paolo. Making the point that everyone says we need characters in the game to make it interesting and it's hypocritical if we then have a go at them when it all blows up and turns to shit.

Ideal situation on Wednesday...Wes starts the match, we go 2-0 up, Wesley saves an undeserved penalty to stop the scum getting back into the game and williams goes onto score  a last minute team goal to put the result beyond doubt, sparking jubilant scenes for the mighty reds with Paolo running down the touch line past the Pox fans to celebrate with the team infront of the town fans...

We dick the Pox, Williams gets a goal, Paolo and Wes have a big love in, and we're all reminded of how much we all love Di Canio...and the Pox fans implode.

...and the FA decide Paolo is too loveable to give a touch line ban to again.?

Believable right up until this point, which is plainly ridiculous.

Yeh....I'm a fucking nutter.

You're only ever on here when Paolo makes a mistake. You don't like him, we get it.

That 5 minute interview with JW is a brilliant example of why he is, to my mind, the perfect Town chairman, particularly with Pdc in the dugout.

Paolo or Wray would separately be very good for any club, however together their contrasting, and often complimentary, styles and attitudes should make us a force to be reckoned with in any league.

sorry, wasn't ignoring you was working. Glad jonny put up the link so people can hear for themselves now

Apart from all the other times, that is.

You only seem to post about him.

Apart from all the other stuff, that is. Or maybe you only read the threads about him?

And in the above clip, Chapman also makes the comparison with other "characters" such as Steve Evans and Graham Westley who also put people's backs up but get promotions so "it works" (his quote, not mine).

And yes Wray comes across really well.

I think Paolos messages was support the team or go and watch Oxford not don't question me or go watch Oxford - although I don't think he expressed it perfectly.

...In a way he's right - don't boo the players/subs/tactics, support the team.

Over re-active mongs :)

A very good post in response to The Sam Morshead column, on the Adver site:

"Nah, Sam, youre wrong - we DO want spats, squabbles and tirades......but from the opposition.

The gleeful response of the Preston fans to what happened on Sunday says it all - they knew that we had imploded after 20 minutes and there was no way on this earth that we were going to take anything out of the game. The further interviews with Preston players on the net shows they and their fans were absolutely scared of playing us, and expected a tougher game, and are delighted to heaven and back to see us leave with nothing.
The further glee displayed by Oxford fans looking forward to playing a team in total disarray has been galling to have to read on the net in the last 24 hours. Hopefully now they will be back to where they should be - afraid of getting stuffed.
We all love an eventful game - its what we go to football for - we'd just rather it wasnt us that was ridiculed on Sky Sports every 15 minutes last night and most of the day today.

Hopefully all involved have learned lessons about "dirty laundry" and "airing in public" - its not a good look. Hopefully both parties have matured a little bit and will now keep their differences where they should be kept - behind closed doors

Some of the obsolute idiots posting total tosh on this and other sites in the last 24 hours need a bit of a reality check as well.
We dont need to sack the manager - we dont need a new keeper. The pair of them are the best respectively we have had for some time. Lets enjoy them doing what they do best...."

Pauld does post on other stuff he just chooses to post on PDC threads when things go wrong.

You mean he chooses to post on the most topical threads? The scoundrel!

Ok, I'm not the only one to say something on Paul's self imposed exile on all things PDC suddenly ending am I? The timing of his return to PDC threads could have been better given his known personal views on PDC.

Perhaps is all just coincidence.

But that's the thing, he has been posting in other threads too recently. I think it's just that people are only noticing him in these ones as they know he has reservations (putting it mildly) about Paolo.

That's a fair point Azza. FWIW, I've tried (probably not terribly successfully) to set aside my personal feelings about the man, to examine his behaviour in this as a manager. Which does weight it slightly toward the negative - I don't think anyone thinks he's come out of this well. But I obviously do accept there's a credit side in promotion at a gallop, positive football, the sheer balls the team have shown in the cups etc to offset that. I'd hoped there were signs he was also learning from his mistakes (as I think JW was suggesting on R5 last night) e.g. in very quickly correcting the poor signings at the start of last season. He's still got some way to go in that clearly, and how costly it proves to be and whether we can afford it are yet to be seen.

In the meantime, I don't think it's unreasonable for I and others to point out his behaviour over the past two days (because it did continue into yesterday with the McMahnio rant at fans) has been appalling and more befitting of a teenager than a grown man, much less one who is the very public figurehead of our club. If as JW seems to think he is learning from those mistakes all to the good, it will perhaps mean he can carve out a career as a manager. If he can't, I don't think he'll be able to sustain it long-term, here or anywhere. But we'll see.

And FWIW, I suspect the Wes thing is patched up (very skillfully by JW) rather than over.

Paul, good post.

FWIW I have some serious man love for Wray.

He's a bit balding for my tastes but I know what you mean :) He must have been tearing his hair out (metaphorically) several times over the past year or so but he does the "swan" public demeanour thing incredibly well

And thanks btw.

If you haven't already, I'd strongly recommend everyone takes a look at the latest article on the Washbag.

Paolo di Canio's Uncertainty Principle (http://thewashbag.com/2012/09/04/paolo-di-canios-uncertainty-principle/)

If there is a better summing up of the big man's approach out there, I'll be amazed.

Jeremy Wray is brilliant.





FACT!

When is he contracted until?

Thanks for that, interesting listening.

Jeremy Wray is without doubt the best chairman we have ever had IMO.

As for the characters thing, I have had mates who support Liverpool, Pompey, Saints, Cardiff and Spurs come up to me and say that they love Paolo, they love characters and football does need more characters, but all of them say they wouldn't want him managing them because they would tear their hair out at times.......this is what we have.

Oh and Steve Claridge is still an utter cock.

Haha exactly. Those are the people he's referring to.

I really don't give a shit what he's said. If you're gonna cry sack him for making a decision regarding his team then I'd rather you fucked off too.

Must admit that I though the sub was a bit nuts to begin with. When it emerged it wasn't for 'making a mistake', however, it seemed more rational.

Likewise, when it was coming through on Twitter I just had my head in my hands but it all made sense in the end.
I don't agree with the public slating at the end and the Pox comment wasn't needed but I'd rather have Di Canio leading us upwards than having him fuck off.

That's what I was going to write but without doing Wray down that's not a hard accolade to have. However, I think it's going to be terribly difficult to find someone better.

Thats very true, not a massively difficult act to follow but in saying that he is one of the best things to ever happen to this club.

That is a great read and as it rightly, and worryingly, notes Di Canio has yet to fall out with the board. It would seem to be only a matter of time, and there'll only be one winner in that one.

Maybe he has fallen out with the board.

(Not at the present time, I mean in the past. No need to panic)

I'm not aware he has, aside from the Rovers' game away which was more of a hissy fit than a falling out. I mean one where it drags on for days when our very compliant board reach a point where they have to say no can do.

why?

He always comes accross as "holier than thou" and he knows everything about football and football management, wierd for such a failed ex manager who is unlikely to get another football job IMO. He never has a good thing to say about Swindon, pretty much ever, and I don't think he has ever forgiven the club for not appointing him manager a few years back when he went public about his interview with us.

I also very much disagree with a lot of what he says and find him pretty much unlikeable as a person.

oh. Don't see it myself and think he's alright

Just not a man I have ever warmed to in any way.

And thats not going by his performances against us either, he almost always scored against us when he played. I just find myself not agreeing with him at all.

Fuck me - he's giving another interview on SSN in a minute.

WTF he going to rant on about this time!

May I suggest you listen to the interview first before freaking out. Just a suggestion like.

Phew - almost calm today

We need a Nemo-style bullet point summary.

What was this one about?

Expects a good performance even if he puts out the same XI

Will be a great atmospere (from Swindon fans,not Oxford!!!)

Any debut players will be wanting to impress

Reading between the lines it's as if he knows that if there's a huge fall out it is followed by a big performance.

Surely he hasn't done all this just to ensure we stuff the Pox?

SSN seem to think we are playing tonite

And for the first time on SSN they mentioned Chris Wilder - fucking limelight hogging cunt

Did Paolo really once hit Ron Atkinson as suggested, if thats the case I love him that little bit more.

Well, it's in Di Canio's autobiography. Can't remember the exact wording but they came to blows. Which is pretty much the way most chapters end.

Coming to this rather late...but just listened to this over lunch.  The importance of the Chairman/Manager relationship has been touched on many times before - but you can really see how it is that Jeremy Wray and PDC work together.  As the Washbag article points out, how will the dynamic work, though, when results are not going our way?  Time will tell (although, hopefully, not too soon.)

Over all, a great piece of radio - and, again, a great interview from our Chairman who, I hope, will be with us for many years to come.  (PDC will be gone one day, but we'll need to hold on to Jeremy Wray for the longer term.  No doubt about it.)  I'm glad I listened.

Cheese? I fucking hate cheese. Faecal matter of Stan (unless it is on a pizza of course).

Edited to correct basic spelling error :doh:

Get out.

Urgh, Stan.

Stan Bush? Stan Marsh?

Stan Andy- Liver, surely  :hmmm:

I've thought for some time that Paolo needs Swindon as much as Swindon needs Paolo. The club were at a low point and needed a manager to reinvigorate the club, to raise morale (for the fans as well as the club) and to get it moving in the right direction. Whilst Paolo needed a club that would put up with him. Thought the Wray interview went some way to confirming this.

Not sure about Paolo actually learning anything or improving, as Wray seemed to suggest. Paolo is just as bad as he's always been and I really don't see that changing - is there really much difference between the person who went off on one on Sunday and the person who sat down on the pitch and sulked when he didn't get the penalties he thought he'd won all those years ago at West Ham?

I'm not complaining though as it's great fun. I'll take Paolo over Paul fucking Hart any day of the week.

I spoke with a West Ham fan when Paolo first took over, whose views on him were akin to god worship. I really didn't get it - a good player with an attitude but I just didn't understand why they held him in such high regard. I do now.

Yep, brilliant article. He will fall out with the Board at some point though, it's almost inevitable and the only logical conclusion if he carries on in the same vein (which he will). Hopefully we'll be back in the Championship before that happens.

But can his management style work higher up the food chain?

If he stays with us, yes.

let's hope we get to find out....  :nod: