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Seems strange doing this on a Saturday night!

Personally think we have the momentum to carry on from Stoke and win this.

2-0

Christ knows who'll play or score. Could be anyone!

COYR

Congratulations sir.  I was worrying you may forget due to this strange sunday bollox going on.  13 - 0 nil with Foderingham scoring all of them.  But Ive had a bottle of wine or so so maybe my judgement can be questioned.

Think its going to be tough, very tough. 1-1.

With the new competition for places I can see nothing less than a win, going for 3-1. It's predicting the starting 11 that will be the hardest :)

2-0 for me COYR .  Haven't got a clue what the starting 11 will be.  Felt odd today without a game.

Going to lunch at my Birmingham supporting in-laws, who think Caddis is ace.

Lord knows who will start for us, but we will stay defensively sound and scrape a 1-0 victory.

Not going....c'mon u reds....

65-10.

1-0 to either team...

I think preston could be our bogey team im going 2-1 preston but hope we win.

1-1 for me. Leaving at 9.30

Think a draw would be a good return but if we maintain our recent form, anything is possible. Will be interesting to see how Wes plays today after a very shaky game at the Brittania.

Fancy Williams to score today - he deserves one

1-1 Wish I was there

2-0 Williams, Ritchie.

Question: Next week is International week. So will Collins and A Rooney be unavailable for Orient? Are Paddy U21's playing? Before some little pissant says "oooooh, you've only got to look on Google", I had a quick look but couldn't see anything and I know some one on here will come up with the answer in the blink of an eye.

Thu    06/09/12    UUC    Hungary U21    16 : 00    Ireland Rep U21    
Mon    10/09/12    UUC    Italy U21    17 : 30    Ireland Rep U21    

Seems unlikely he'll be released inbetween for club matches. Isn't a Rooney 24..

Well it has been years since we beat them.

Not going because of work, absolutely well and truly gutted as I really wanted to do this one. Ah well. 1-1 with Collins to score.

It's been years since we've played them!

I've always said I think Preston will be like us last season. With the number of new signings it will take time for them to click, but when they do I think they will be up there. I'm just hoping they haven't clicked yet. It's difficult to tell, although they did get a good result against palace in the cup. 1-1 for me, Williams needs to get off the mark.

Got a bad feeling about this. 2-1 defeat.

I'll take a draw, but a win would be fandabbydozy.

3-0 Town.

Benson hat-trick.

1-1

A win at Preston will be 10x better than Stoke City (for me). Preston's start hasn't been great and they'll be no pushovers.

My feeling is that we will lose today 1-2.

3-1 win for Town today, Williams double and a screamer from Tommy Miller sending the 901 STFC fans in to heaven and the 10'000 home fans realising they have became another victim of the circus.

All the new boys will start, we will lose, Paolo will ship them all out in the loan window and bring in some players with reeeal desiiire, passion and hunger.

Or, we will win 3-1

Who knows?

You forgot the qwaaaality.

A bit of a toughy today, unchanged team with the bulk of changes on Wednesday. 1-1.

No reason why we shouldn't win today, I'm confident of getting a result every week.

Our away form was patchy last season, if we can get that nailed then I think we're going up. That's right, 2nd September. We are going up.

Wouldn't complain with a draw though.

0-0 with 11,345 crowd with 768 Townies.

I went there the last time we played them and we won up there 3-0 the day after my 20th birthday, it was a massively run down club at the time and we played them off the pitch in an early kick off...1pm or 2pm something about them having floodlight problems which they couldn't afford to fix hence the early KO there were about 800 Town fans there that day on a gloriously warm February afternoon.

Good history at the club and its improved massively in its fortunes and the state of the ground since then. Then again we did outplay most sides we played in that Championship winning season under Macari.

Always think that Preston away is a big challenge for us but we are on something go for of a roll so going to go for at least 0-1.

What exciting times....got to enjoy this start to the season  :clap:

Thank you Mr Batch :thumb: No Collins then. I didn't realise Rooney was as old as that.

SSWS has really upped his game this season so despite this being a tough game I can't go for a defeat on principle. 2-1 to town, no idea who will score as no idea who will be playing.

3-0 Swindon - Ritchie x2 & Benson

Going to be a very tough game I think. 1-1 draw.

Just back from the smoke....any streams for this match.? Now that would be good!

Seeing as my wifi is still fucked I've decided I'm going to walk down to Uni and sit in the library for 2 hours making use of theirs. :)

Not a chance mate.

Bad feeling about this for me.

We'll lose 3-1.  Paolo will go bananas.  He will say the players he brought in do not have the required quallllity. Then we will have 7 changes for Oxford!

Keep any eye on http://www.rojadirecta.me, there's a link on there, but whether it will work or not is anyone's guess.

Would love to get a win to keep the circus rolling but feel that a draw is more likely - I'm going for 1-1.

Going to be a very tough game, will be happy with a point, 2-2.

Talking about Frederic Darras and Eric Sabin to the French barman in the Old Dog and Partridge before the game. He hates Preston. Ignored my mention of Pericard but couldn't think of any other French players. 1-1 today.

Phillipe Cuervo :)

On a roll at the moment and can't see pass a 2-1 Town win with Flint and miller on the scoresheet.Would be happy with a draw though but just feel very confident at the moment,especially when you look at our bench 

Without Ritchie according to BBC Wilts, hamstring injury

Yep, looking good... :nod:

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Not good. Rooney to come in then? Unless Roberts is fit again.

Rooney in for Ritchie then.

Thats quite a big loss for the team TBH. But one I am sure we can overcome.

Which variety of Rooney?

Luke.

Foderingham; Devera, Flint, McCormack(Capt), McEveley; L Rooney, Navarro, Miller, De Vita; Collins, Williams

subs: Bedwell, Bessone, Ferry, Bostock, Benson, Ward, A Rooney

Hamstring eh?

Wait for the rumours to start ;)

The bench looks much stronger today, good to see Benson back.

He's definitely fallen out with PDC, it's the only reasonable explanation.

I heard the right hamstring strain is a cover story for a left hamstring strain.

OK - I'll bite

Hamstring, my arse.

He's off I tells ya - off I say

Its already on that rumours site that hes off.

oh well, must be another 'fitness' issue...

Brighton on a loan as a replacement for Craig Noone. You heard it here first

If anything was actually happening surely a transfer of this importance would have, and could have, been sorted before the deadline.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it

Less positive about today with out Ritchie, hope its just a precaution. Hope Roberts gets back soon as well!

I wouldn't be too down about Ritchie.  I'm optimistic, in any case, that Rooney (L) is going to shine in this division...just as De Vita seems to be doing over on the other wing.  Ritchie not being there for this game doesn't really bother me.  We have strength in depth now - in a way that we haven't had for over 15 years.

We're not a one man team. Given his input thus far this season, or lack there of), Rooney should be chomping at the bit for this chance.

1-0 Swindon. Very confident of the getting the three points.

Hopefully Preston have a nice clumsy full back for Rooney to tear apart.

1-1 today I think, a win would be a great result.

Rooneys time to shine.

He'll either have a stormer today or be shit get taken off at half time and be back at Gillingham on loan next week.

Thought De Vita was one of, if not our best player Tuesday night and its not purely a coincidence that Stoke came back into once he'd gone off. More of the same from him today would be nice.

1-1 draw.

Come on the Town!

It'll be 1-1 after an hour when Ferry comes on and runs the show to get us a 2-1 win.

Currently sat on my own in the library logged into STFC Player.

Lovely.

Which has promptly died on me. Fabby.

STFC player not working for me anyone else for the same problem?

Come on then Town!

No problems here.

Refreshed the page and it's working.

Benson's on the bench - Hoorah!

Working for me as well. On the occasions when it dies, I just click on the other team's commentary then click back and it's fine - very random.

Jeremy Wray has been admiring Preston's stadium saying he's hoping we end up with something similar.

Tits

FFS. Sodje. Sounds like a Fods dodgy clearance.

Bollocks.

bollocks

Boooo

Great! Back home to hear a Fods fuckup.

Player behind Twitter commentary again ffs.

Yay!

(Trying to lighten the mood.)

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Cunting thing, think it won't play because flash is missing from my work PC....iPhone doesn't seem to want to play it either. You know it's bad when you want old technology back

FFS

We've not conceded again have we?? STFC Player commentary is so far behind ::)

Boooo.

We have the ball, yet twitter says we're 2-0 down!

This is fun.

Well that's put us firmly in our place  :cry:

fuck sake

Shit.

*Bump*

Oh dear.

Cue Meltdown...

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Would complain about STFC player if i actually paid for the cunting thing. Absolute joke

Cue the come back !!!!

Well this is good.


And this is the best looking prediction so far.   :cry:

Well that answers that one.

This seemed to happen quite a bit last season where we just weren't at the races away from home :no:

Always going to be tough today. Preston are very physical and expect to go up. Lets hope we put some fight in

Shit me we sound under it.

FFS.  Just switched the radio on in time for us to concede a second.  Had a funny feeling about today, but didn't expect us to be 2 down within 10 mins.

I've now switched the radio off.

The attractive girl that was wandering around seems to have left too.

It goes from bad to worse.

Corner to us.

It's just a little set back, it's still good, it's still good!

Jebus, if you could call time outs in football, Di Canio would be doing that now.

Nope

How long before PDC makes the 1st substitution?

Sounds like we are still tired from Tuesday.

I hate Sunday games....

Sounds 100mph at the moment we need to calm this pace down.

Jesus, Bedwell is warming up.

Subbing Wes would be an overreaction wouldn't it?!

Just a little bit.

And an overreaction would not exactly be out of PDC's character, would it?

Poor start but somehow you still fancy us. Crazy thing, this confidence lark.

Apparantley we look awful at the back.

Just a bit but can you honestly rule it out with PDC in charge?

Wes sounds all over the shop.

WTF

Fuck me Bedwell is genuinely coming on.

Fuck me. Bedwell??

Wes is going to be subbed!

All aboard the Swindon Town Roller Coaster!

Bedwell's coming on. Umm.

Bedwell is coming on!

we gonna play two keepers?

Fair play Di Canio

Bedwell coming on. What the fuck?!

This is ridiculous.

Blimey...

Fuck. Me.  :no:

Very out of character if he is.  I'm not going to criticise PDC (if, indeed, he is taking Wes off) because I'm not there.  But I'm shocked.  He's usually a rock.

Foderingham's lost it. This is going to run and run*


* Unlike Leon Clarke

what the fuck is PDC doing?

listen to the boos

I will say it again.

Fuck. Me.

bad bad bad decision

Fucking disaster!

Fods off Beds on!

Another one going?

What!?!?!?! Maybe he had a knock before hand?

Crazy sub! If for nothing else than it reduces the attacking subs we can make to get back in the game! And it's going to destroy Wes's confidence.

I fear for the rest of this game

Haha never dull eh.

I am. You do not sub a keeper that good for ten bad minutes. Absolutely awful man management, especially as our number two is a Youth team player that hasn't played a professional game.

Fuming.

Wow. You can never second guess Paolo.

Bedwells a fucking kid whose never played a pro game before in his life.

Its not like he's an experienced keeper or anything. This is gonna be 4 or 5.

Fucking hell this is stuipid, Fodringham has been perfection for a year and he's not allowed a dodgy 15 mins.

Fodders has stormed down the tunnel.

Wes is pretty much the only player we cannot lose!

What was Wes' reaction?

Fuck.

My, this is unconventional.

Agree. Talk about into the lion's den :no:

This isn't going to end well at all... :no:

Things can look so good one minute, and then 30 minutes later it looks very, very different.

Chucked his gloves, kicked a bottle and fucked off down the tunnel.

Really, Really pissed off. Pulled off his gloves and threw them on the ground.

Fuck me.

Dont blame Wes! Shocking fucking decision, i'm fuming!

I've backed everything else di Canio has done to the hilt, but that is fucking insane and a huge overreaction.

It'll be Bedwell for Pox now.

PDC is wrong, wrong, wrong.

I agree totally.

So, what about that Championship season ticket price? :D

Jeez.

sorry PDC, you have just crossed the line

This.

In a word, mental.

My, poor man management. There's a difference between high standards and humiliating one of your own players.

Absolutely bonkers...

Think i'm going to turn the radio off and stick my head in football manager for the next few hours.

I wish Bedwell nothing but the best of luck.

I hope he's better than the likes of Matty Bulman or Jon Stewart or Mark Scott.

I don't really like where this is heading...

Bedwell hat-trick then

well,if there is any discontent in the camp about PDC's management style,this is going to pour a whole lot of petrol on the bonfire!!

That has got to be the most ridiculous decision Di Canio has ever made.  He's made Wes look like a complete cunt and put a massive amount of pressure on Bedwell. I'm disgusted quite honestly.

Same, and again the very best of luck to Bedwell but this is as unfair on him as it is on Foderingham, he's on a hiding to nothing now.

Speechless.

:D

there are so many reasons that was a terrible decision

Fucking ridiculous.

Bang on.

100% behind Di Canio here.  For all we know, Fodderington may have been on the piss last night.

If hes looked shakey, why keep him on.  Gives Bedwell some experience

Same here

Who the fuck is Fodderington?

After hearing Wes' reaction, something like:

PDC criticises Wes' performance.
Says he can forgive that, but not the show of dissent after he left the field.
Wes loaned out next week.

I hope I'm wrong.  Just when we look like embarking on something exciting....then this.  I feel sick to the core.

But why is Wes any more immune to other players to being taken off if having bad game? It's very hard to say without being there how bad and without knowing that I think it's harsh to claim PDC has crossed line.

Is there still a game going on

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The season is long, it's better to lose a game and still send a strong message. We don't really know what happened before the game. From the start it could be the lads had too much fun after the cup game.

Very well said.The one thing you have to learn as a manager is never to humiliate a player on the pitch.

Don't care.  I'm off.

this is exactly what will happen.

You certainly have...

It depens who u r dealing with.

I think PDC thinks Wes might be getting a little over confident, maybe even complacent. Problem is he's not got any real competition, so it must be difficult to stay at your best. Not sure subbing him is the answer though.

You have not got a clue. You can't even get his name right for fuck sake.

Lightweight

Stay and suffer like the rest of us

That is what i'm fearing.

We can't afford to lose Wes.

we need one back before half time!

This.

Who the fuck are you, Paolo's best mate??

feel sorry for Bedwell.. after all this are the fans gunna turn on di canio

We better get Wilder in before he goes to Coventry

Turn on Di Canio? FFS.

Never quite understood why goalies are beyond being subbed. If Collins had fluffed 2 good chances, likely he'd be taken off. Would help to have an experienced keeper on the bench, mind.

You can't turn on Paolo based on one decision. That is simply crazy.

ahahah  :D not really..

We don't know what happened in the days after the cup finals.. Then it's one game, in a long season. Paolo must have seen something he doesn't like and wants to send a message to the players.

But people will. And Paolo will throw a hissy fit again because he doesn't like it when people start questioning his decisions.

Lets hope this is the first of these decisions where they make up after the game and get back on with it.

I don't care how badly a goalkeeper of Foderingham's ability is playing, it makes no sense to substitute them when your substitute is a youth player with no experience whatsoever.

Throwing Bedwell in when you're 2-0 down away from home is fucking absurd.

On top of all that, one of our most reliable, consistent and vital players has just been completely and utterly humiliated in front of his teammates and the fans.

but this is what you get with Di Canio.

Fuck me........calm down.....game probably lost but if he's struggling then bring him off....If Bedwell is on the bench then he's good enough to play....

Listening now we will do well to keep the score down.

I'm so glad I go to a lot of games.....this commentary is shit.....

it seems rash i know but alot of people i know on facebook have fully turned on him now

Like all the times before, you mean

Steady fucking on.

Quality....that cheered me up!

Yep :nod:

we havent conceded since Bedwell's come on!

Most of you lot think you could do a better job than PDC? He's the manager this is his ship you no likey? then jump off.

Facebook can fuck off!

Not really a case of goalkeepers being beyond such things, more a case of the fact he was placed by a youth player with no experience.

How often has Foderingham let us down?

it seems rash i know but alot of people i know on facebook have fully turned on him now

Bedwell has conceded fewer goals than Wes.  ;D

Absolute shite, so a player that was so immense last season has one dodgy spell and gets publicly humiliated?!?!? Fucking atrocious man-management.

So we've lost Caddis, looks like we're gonna lose Foderingham (because I can't believe that show of dissent will be tolerated) all within the opening weeks of the season - now I understand why he got so many players in during the window, he needs to factor in the natural wastage of his management style.

I feel fucking sick - this is one step too far in my opinion, It's just all too exhausting!

bullshit.

nobody is saying they can/could do a better job, only passing comment on today's events.

I'm not advocating turning on Di Canio but it's clearly not one decision is it - remember that bloke Paul Caddis? :hmmm:

The result today will now be largely irrelevant.  It's the fallout and the impact on the players we need to worry about.  Fuck knows what they're all thinking and it's clear they're all over the shot.

Di Canio needs to learn not to be so reactive and show the same respect to his players he expects from them.   Wray seriously needs to think about having a word or the club could end up in turmoil.  I feel quite sick to be honest.

So you would never question any decision PDC makes, ever??

Di Canio has done what most of us expected and got us out of League 2.

He is not beyond criticism.

We concede again and this commentary's going off.



FACT!

Someone has just posted "Paolo Out"

I honestly can't work out whether he's being genuine or not.

I very much hope not.

20 quid says he dont give a post match interview 8)

He subs who he wants, he subs who he wants, Paolo Di Canio, he subs who he wants.


Essentially what we've got at the county ground is a dictatorship. And under dictatorships when things are going well it's fine, when things start going shaky, that's when revolutions happen.

3

and there it is....

You can't ever second guess DiCanio....I think the stress is taking over now and he won't be able to carry on for too much longer, without having a complete break from the game. A real shame as its been exciting start to this season. Bollocks.....

100%.

Not turning on di Canio, but expressing my opinion that he has made a rash decision in the heat of the moment on this issue and may well live to regret it.

Foderingham has been an excellent number 1 for us, who has had a bad 15 minutes (as have most of the rest of the team from the sound of it.) and I would rather not have seen him taken off in that way.

It's over.............

With all due respect you say this every time, Clarke kerrouche caddis and you are saying it again.

What to be a fly on the wall of the dressing room. Shit or bust springs to mind.

On the other hand.

3-0.

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meh

See you later :crash:

Game over.

If Bedwell conceeds another who's going in goal then?

My money is on Flint.

That was a fucking spastic. Substitution

Well I agree with her Don.

Any way, I'm off.

we'll win this 4.3

Hate to be Town's next opponents, .........Oh wait

season over

Foderingham will leave
No one will want to join
Di Canio will walk out
We will lose to Oxford
and we're all going to die.

Game over.

That has to be the worst 45 mins we've had under PDC.

Bedwell off. Bessone on.

Well, last season we wouldn't have had a goalie on the bench at all

Risser could have been between the sticks now

clarke = twat
kerrouche = maverick
caddis = rock
fods = rock
that's the difference

Odds 66/1 on bet365

feeling so sick its unbelievable

I knew we should have kept Phil Smith.

Not often but that doesn't mean he can't be hauled off.

The issue is more that Bedwell is his replacement - and the fact PDC had no plan B there.

Hahahaha.

5-0

Wray needs to have a word with PDC and try and calm him down some.

Ultimately i didn't expect much today, but the score line is already embarrassing!!!

Not very fucking happy!!!!

Just spoke to a friend at the match.
"practically threw Foderingham off" was how he described it.

Oh, and we went 3 down while he was talking to me.

Whichever way it all shakes down, this is not going to end well and has turned a bad match into a huge incident.

Well guys... starting a game like this... after winning against the cup game must mean something.. Guys had long party that probably lasted days..  PDC has to send them a message..  U can't criticize him for subbing the GK, cos u really don't know what has happened.. but maybe u can guess.  :-[

H/t YAY

PDC needs to get the curly finger from Wray after this, no doubt. He needs a shot across his bows and fucking quick.

Out of thos 4 foderingham is the one that i believe he is in the wrong about

So is this different because wes is universally liked?

let me just point out  Timlin, Kerrouche, Connell, Caddis.......Foderingham

Its no fucking different except you all love wes

I would be gutted if the decision lost us this game but it sounds as if they are all shit!

Woeful today...end of.....

Biblical turnaround......

We can (and do) all have opinions.

I want to hear the views of the 800 or so who have made the 360 mile round trip and spent a lot of money. The club cannot afford for them to be mightily pissed off.

I hope Wray speaks to Fods / Di Canio right now at HT or I really can't see Wes playing for us again..

the day wray has a word with PdC is the day PdC walks out

It's not good for stability.
It's not good for respect.
It's not good for morale.

As I say, I've spoken to one.

Pissed off was putting it mildly.

It's as if a player's bad performance is some sort of personal affront to PdC

You aint never going to win a game when 2 down by subbing the goalie

But he just has to make a point - cant help himself

It is tiring supporting STFC

If Wary does chances are PDC will get enraged and resign

Not trying to defend the decision, sounds wrong to me. But........

Why is it that Wes has gone from being so solid and reliable only to turn up today and have a mare? Just 'a bad day at the office', or something else we don't know about?

Is Jimmy Allan free?

Wouldn't want to be in the dressing room right now...

So you agree with what's happened today then?

I agree Clarke and Kerrouche didn't end up causing any problem.  Caddis remains to be seen, today is a farce.  Anyway why single me out, I'm not alone in my views?

I can't believe he sent him off just for the bad performance.. there must be something else.. and honestly after a great victory is pretty clear what has happened.. But it's better to lose badly today, for rhe remaining of the season.

Think the lads got on the piss Friday night?

Do you really think the players would have a "party that probably lasted days", especially after beer-gate last season? I'm going to give them a bit more credit than that.

Given that you've now repeated this suggestion you were either there or you're a bigger shit-stirrer than Sam Morshead....

Yeah everything is so clear....wait....no, it isnt in the slightest is it?

Christ, it takes alot for me to lose it - but fuck me, what a bunch of fucking morons.

good day....

If there was something else going on other than a dodgy start then Wes wouldn't have started, surely?

If, and it's a big if, there is something other than a poor 15 mins for Fods (on the piss seems to be popular) why not drop him before the game

he is just resting Foderingham for our cup final next week

Yar, he just had a bad game most likely. Happens to the best of them.

I hope someone went back in with Wes to try and calm him down a bit when he went off.

Pretty sure Fodders is Teetotal.

Wes doesn't even drink as far as I know, before we all get carried away.

Just seems to me you(and others) are sitting waiting for a decision like this to happen. Mex said it spot on,if this was an outfield player would people care as much?

Yes i agree it seems like a stupid decision but people on the txt saying sack him? His style is his style if you are playing shit you get subbed simple.

Could be.. but it's no biggy.. it's completely normal. But really whatever it is, this league has so many games.. this is one tough loss that can only help the team understanding they have to work hard everyday and be focused.. It's not like if u win against a premier league team it automatically means u win the league one.. Di Canio actually was expecting this kind of game in the press conference after the cup game.

Just look at Connell and PDC's history for subbing players after a dodgy start and he thinks Fodringham is not immune from that. However, you do not change players when they have been perfection for months.

Foderingham does not drink

I'm back.  Still fuming.


Caddis was loved as well.  The scary thing about this scenario is we could lose arguably the two best players at the club in weeks.  For that not to happen, there is going to have to be some sort of reconciliation...which has not happened before when there has been a public falling out.


If he was out on the lash or something like that, I'll take it back - but I'd be amazed if that were true.  The only comment from Foderingham before the game was on twitter.  Something like 'Let's do this.'  Everyone has a bad day at work once in a while.  In fact, Wes has a lot fewer than most.  And PDC seems to be having one himself right now.

The fact Wes has a bad 20 minutes and gets subbed off probably shows just how brilliant he has been for us.

Almost a year and in that entire time he's been shit for 20 mins.

Bet he starts now

Paolo needs to look at this and give people some fucking respect.

Even if is not the party they guys really came out with the wrong attitude after a great win..  Di Canio had to send a message, cos the lads made the typical mistake of an immature group.

The worst piece of management I have ever seen.

Left at half time (wanted to leave as soon a it happened) not because of the result but because of you treat a 21 year old who has been so instrumental in your own success like that, it is truly despicable

I'll still go but only when I'm going to see my mates or a good all-dayer

Went from the best night as a town fan on sun to genuinely the worst today

Foderingham wasn't the main culprit for the first goal, it was a shit back pass. The tipping point was him throwing the ball out to Rooney and it just failing to reach him. Neither mistake warranted the substitution.

He threw a major strop storming off down tunnel.  Fans let Paolo know what they thought of the decision.

Oh yea we aren't playing well, defence is all over the place and some Sunday league player has appeared on the pitch in the number 12 shirt.

The 50 or so fans walking out after the 3rd goal are an embarrassment

You don't do it by taking off your fucking keeper after 20 mins!

Bostock coming on.

Just came in, take it it's going well?

whoever you are, you're full of shit

Couldn't be better...

There is no rule for sending a message. We don't have enough informations to criticize his decision. All we know is players are playing shit after an amazing win.. It's the most typical mistake the could have made..

How many times have you seen a GK subbed

Generally common sense works best.

I agree with Sonic btw.

He's done this to Wes, yet Lanzano made so many mistakes last season (Burton away to name but one), he didn't sub him (and I've just checked...there was a keeper on the bench for all Lanzano's games).

But why did PdC no.2 not try and talk him out of it?

Di Canio is unconventional, to say the least.. we already know who he is.. He's pretty mad, and has his methods, but till now they seemed to work, so I can't overreact after a GK substitution

It's happened now. Wes back in the dug out?

Looks like Paolos bus is losing passengers by the week.

Ooooh wilts radio read out my comedy text....

Cmon town let in a goal and then fuck em.

2 reds for Preston and our superior fitness rips em apart!

Crossbar...typical....

"Foderingham watching the second half from the edge of the tunnel. About 60 yards from the Swindon dugout"

You lessen your own argument by using the word players.  They've all sounded shit, yet Foderingham is the only one who's been publicly humilated.

Anyone at the game and can report as to whether Wes has resurfaced on the bench?

Who's Bostock replaced?

Listening to BBC commentary whislt watching Man Utd game, slightly confusing.

U can't sub them all can u??  Subbing the GK makes more noise, and that's probably what Di Canio wants.. He wants to make them know they can't afford to be complacent!

Player isn't working for me now, has Paolo kicked it or something?

Finished lunch to look on the BBC site to find us two down was bad enough...then thought they'd made a mistake when I noticed bedwell in brackets next to wes' name.... Oh Jesus. Strap your selves in folks.

And no one has mentioned that Wes was driving round the pikeys stadium against Gills last year while everyone celebrated on the pitch....despite being teatotal and not involved in drink-gate. All very strange.  

so what do you know that the rest of us don't?

Unfortunately it is still working fine for me.

On the bright side, it seems as though PDC's rocket up the arse at HT seems to have worked.

Bostock sounds a handful already.

All I can say is that there is more to this than meets the eye.

It's just come back

"Foderingham and Rooney have gone to sit in the stand housing the Swindon fans."


Read into that what you will.

I was wondering...

Foderingham and Rooney now with the Swindon fans.

Well you could elaborate or not said anything.

Southampton have scored agains Manure

Think everyone is over reacting. Paolo has taken plenty of players off early when they're not performing or doing what he wants. Why should the keeper be any different?

I'm more surprised that everyone is somewhat shocked at Paolo doing it, didn't surprise me one bit.

Don't see anymore coming from it. Once Wes has calmed down and talked to Paolo it will be fine.

Yaaay.

De Vita!!

3-1 Some hope.

Yes!

Yes......c'mon keep to the script!

3-1

COMEBACK ON.

The fat gas head

3.1

come on town

Sat in the stand with Rooney

I suspect you may be right.

Never a dull moment huh?

Looking forward to all the anti-Di Canio's coming out of the woodwork looking all pleased with themselves.

Our second 3-4 victory in a week?  Stranger things have happened  :hmmm:

Fatty Lambert as well...........get in!

De Vita - you beauty!

COYR!!

Disgraceful to sub Wes for two errors. Must be something else behind the decision or just the affective  Di Cano? Really hope Wes swallow his prides, holds his hand up and talk it over with the boss, and he will be back at Oxford wednesday. Di Canio will never apologize

I'm so tired of this, I quite enjoyed being mediocre.

Is this you just speculating or do you genuinely know something?

History suggests otherwise, although I suppose those involved in beergate last season managed to patch things up with him.

Personally, it's not the fact Wes got subbed off for playing poorly that surprised me but the fact we only have a young lad on the bench with no experience to replace him - it's entirely different to Collins being taken off for missing some decent chances only to be replaced by someone like Benson.

and unlike Clarke and Kerrouche (and to a lesser extent Caddis), Foderingham doesn't deserve the humiliation after being such a reliable player.


p.s. anyone who alludes to being 'in the know' or any shit like that can state what they know or get the fuck out, thank you

But there are ways of letting them know. Gary Neville has an intriguing bit in his biography of how Sir Alex asserted his authority when Neville told him to 'fuck off' during a match. It was done quietly and efficiently without it being public.

Di Canio is showing worrying consistent traits of public hissy fits with his players, fine when matches are being won but when Di Canio has to call on loyalty during the inevitable lean spells then...well...not so.

This Foderingham incident worries me...

I have just come out of the dressing room....Fods is not happy.

Cleaning the blood up?

Come on Town keep it going (especially Bostock),show some pride.

ok, but everyone has his own personality.. We all know Paolo is crazy, we have to accept him for the good and the bad!

Van Percy equalises

Im a fluffer!

4-1 tits

...

Oh fuck off Swindon.

:nod:

game over

Oh Cock  

we'd be winning 3-2 if Foderingham was still on the pitch

Its over...

.........again!!

However....my 5-4 is on!!

Red card please.

Lets hope they all learn a lesson after this game.

The back four cant have gained confidence from wes going off either.

Wonder what the team will look like on tuesday

Tuesday?  ;)

Game is over.. fair enough, tough loss, exactly what was needed after too much euphoria.. Back to earth, and work work work.  Team has just to learn from this poor performance

Fods and Rooney now with Swindon fans watching from my mate who is there.

We were 1-4 down at St. Andrews too... but time is running out.

I hope Wes is most angry at himself, because he should know that PDC has his unusal affective side to approach things like subs...

How wrong can you be with a prediction.  Thats a lesson kids.  Drinking impairs your judgement.

At least *when* we beat Poxford 6-0 all will be rosy again

Somebody should hunt down the PNE fan that approached Wes on Twitter before the game to say he hoped he was going to have a mare at Deepdale today...

Think I'll be doing a twitter cull tonight

influx of PNE fans registering.

on the bright side my roast potatoes are looking good.

"Just said on SSN that Di Canio has had to be restrained from going on to the crowd after someone had said something to him. We are getting to him, keep it up and get him sent to the stands!"

from the PNE forums

The whole team must be pissed off with what happened and there heads must be all over the place

Wouldn't call them fans, they would be at the game otherwise.

When was the last time we lost 4-1?

what, like us lot?

Listening to this is bloody painful, but sometimes just got to take it on the chin. A defeat is now less important than the scoreline/ result. Stupid Sunday ko's !

Fodders agent is currently hard at work at the fax machine - polling all Championship clubs whilst licking his lips greedily....

Southampton away in 10/11 season

...before that, away to Boston in the FA Cup back in the dark ages (2005)

SWS out!

me too...

Saints away 26th Feb 2011 and the last time we conceeded more than 3.

It's different they're at home.

I feel for those that have travelled up as well.  It'll be a long journey home.

What a complete load of bollocks. If the players don't know they can't be complacent after Connell last season and Caddis this season then they are too fucking thick to ever get the message.

If this sub was purely done on today's performance PDC is acting like a complete an utter prick. Is his motivation to alienate every player we have, or to create an atmosphere of fear to play in. Utterly pathetic.

I was referring to those of us who are usually on here for home games

I would like to thank the Preston Guild and withdraw all my previous bile aimed in their direction.  But for them I would have been at this farce.  I only hope that there is more to this than Foderingham having a bad game.

I would also like to echo the point made by a previous poster, if you claim you know something, say what it is or fuck off.

Paolo's management style is either ground breaking and is the birth of a new era in modern man-management or it's over-reactive and divisive.

At least for our next game, it's all going to be relatively low key with little prospect of our potentially volatile Manager going off on one.

7 goals in the last 2 games, 7 goals in 15 games previous to that.

I think I may have overreacted a little bit.

Went to Preston once, only good thing about it was the A6 leading to the motorway, horrid place though the ground looked okay

Exactly, at least it isn't against the one team that would rather beat us than getting promoted.

Aah I see.

I didn't go or see the highlights for Stoke, was Wes wholly to blame for any of those goals?

I think so, he did have a poor game if I remember correctly.

One in particular yes.

by the way, what's happening in the match?

Poor for the first goal.

Were losing 4-1 and not much else.

Hopefully Paolo Di Canio will praise Wes Foderingham's reaction after he was subbed. Hopefully he was after that kind of reaction from the keeper.

Di Canio would have reacted the same as a player if he was subbed after 20 minutes. I hope he doesn't forget that in the eventual aftermath...

Straw that broke the camels back maybe?

He came for a cross and got nowhere near it, it was almost Greimink-esque.  However, Foderingham has been awesome since he joined us, he's earned the right to a bad game...which is why I hope there is more to this than simply a bad 15 mins.

also I should have known this was coming as I have a pen mark on my STFC polo shirt which won't come out despite two washes and stain removal :( it was an omen!

It's been suggested to me that Wes didn't have a good game against Stoke.

Totally and although he was a professional off the pitch with his training etc, on it he was a petulant hot-headed shit and he should remember that.

Had you mentioned this, the bookies would have suspended all bets immediately.

I think there are a lot of things Paolo did as a player that he wouldn't tolerate from his own players.

Not a case of hypocrisy but more that he has inveitably matured.

Perhaps Wes was expecting a move - and it got vetoed

But Sorensen was worse for Stoke...

I was thinking the same actually.  The excitement of winning overshadowed the fact we conceded 3 goals.  However cup games are always a bit different, so can we bring that into the equation?  

Messed up our goal difference as well.  Franchise go above us.

Will be interesting to see if any interviews take place after the match.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if nobody speaks.

Perhaps I'm going to catch a cold next Thursday.

4:44pm

'You're getting subbed in a minute ' sing the Preston fans.


tee hee hee

It was all going so well, and now crash back down. It's never boring.

Wes' substitution is down to nothing more than his poor (yet oddly brief) performance today. I hope we don't spend too much time conjuring up conspiracies.

haha, the horse has not only bolted but he is about 10 fields away by now

Foderingham has not tweeted yet. Disappointed.

Yay it's over.

Disappointed by the result, the scoreline and in PDC. Now hoping for Wes to be reinstated on Wednesday and a backlash against the yellow scum.

So say all of us !!!

The defeat at least stops the stupid shit about winning the league at a canter. Surprised it was such a heavy defeat, but these things happen.

But the result is a side show of events, gutted its happened. Again

Can't wait for the interview

Not wanting to defend the substitution, but why is Wes absolved of all responsibility?

Imagine the Adver headline tomorrow

been on a diet for about 2 months now...all thrown out the window tonight going to need a chicken pie with my roast today :/

Thank fuck, that was embarrasing.

You could be waiting for some time.

He's not, but I don't agree with humiliating a player after 20 minutes. I didn't agree with it last season, and I don't this.

Hope they kiss and make up later.

It'll be sensationalist based on no facts... :)

maybe this is the reality check we needed stil thp that scoreline is hard to look at

Wes Foderingham stated in late june that he expected Swindon to sign another keeper before the season started to give him competition. Maybe Di Canio should have done so, to keep Wes on his toes. That would probably have been better than subbing him early on...

Very very disappointing in more ways than one.  We await the next installment of the roller coaster that is Swindon Town FC.

I can wait, not going anywhere

Think this point has been missed a little in the Foderingham vs Di Canio furore (and I appreciate it's potentially a bit of a side issue to some extent). But it won't have done Bedwell's development/confidence any good, feel for the lad.

Unconventional?!! The worst management decision I have ever seen in any walk of life

Totally agree, he was unnecessarily thrown into a ridiculous situation.  Unfair.

Seems on twitter di canio walked to the town fans indicating it was his fault. Fair play if that's true

Assuming that was what he was saying.....Who knows with PDC.

The Swindon Town roller-coaster just did a fucking loop-the-loop.

True! guess we are about to find out

Yeah, saw people tweeting this too. Didn't agree with his decision but if that's the case then I respect him for it.

You've missed a crucial word out there.... Was it "his" / "fods" / "fans"? I assume you mean his, but confirmation would be nice.

We were never going to win every game. It's a weekend to forget especially with caddis getting man of the match with Birmingham. Hope to see Wes back in the fold. It was an away game, so let's win our home games and pick up as many as we can away. We will be there r there abouts.

The radio said he was gesturing to himself, but it could have been taking the blame or saying trust me.

The defeat maybe but I doubt he's apologising for the Fodringham change, although I wish to be corrected.

Balls, just edited

Just chill out........it will all be ok.

Friend of mine at the game texted me that, too. Wonder if he means choosing Wes in the first place, or the substitution...

Let's not dwell over this Wes thing. Let's just move on and let the club minus the media deal with it. Don't both with the adver they will probably sensationalise the whole event and stir the pot.

As much as I love what PDC has given us, the falling out with players and the need to flex his muscles to show who's boss every other game is starting to grate on me and becoming very tiresome.

I appreciate we needed discipline in the club but he is starting to take it all a tad too far now.  We have gone from a club that nobody wanted to come to, to a club that everyone wants to play for.  He is risking flipping this back to the former if he continues to make bonkers decisions like today.

Not even close.

Selling Fjortoft for 1.3 fucking million - is still the worst management decision in STFC history. Selling him was bad, selling him for that small amount was scandalous.

Yep.

And welcome.  Here's to happier times.

was said gesture involving the straightening of an arm?

Yes, abso-fucking-lutely.  And we had to play out the rest of the season...god that was depressing.

A win on Wednesday would put a smile back on my face again. This is just 1 game of 46. A bad day at the office. Lets gets pissed tonight and move on.

Cheers.

A reality check after the last week or so was probably needed sometime soon....but not quite with this administration or circumstances...

If memory services me right Martin Ling was the chosen replacement wearing the number 9 shirt for the next game!

Now if Di Canio sells Fod for 100k and replaces him with Martin Ling - then it'll be just about on par with the Fjortoft sale.

Also selling Shearer to our promotion rivals Blackburn in the play offs.

Equal worst -tied with selling (32 goal) Shearer to Blackburn (our promotion rivals) on deadline day for 500k in '92. And I think he only started about 1 game and scored 1 goal for them. Dalglish admitted years later that they did it to fuck Swindon up. And we let them do it.

And then buying Jason Drysdale as his 'replacement'.

What a great decision that was !!

Did the programme that day have no number 9 printed as they had no idea who would wear the shirt.  McMahon won a division and is still one of our least popular managers.

Come on di Canio, tell us what's going on.

I take it PDC isn't talking today.

Di Canio was saying "my fault" to the Town fans at the end. Wonder if he means picking Foderingham in the first place today? FWIW, I thought Wes was all over the shop at Stoke. Wonder if he reacted badly to some midweek analysis and then started off badly today. Pure speculation that mind.

Rooney should have been subbed off after the second goal for Bostock mind. Can't see anyone criticising that either.

Do not believe we get the highs of Tuesday without the lows of today either. PDC has a chaos- theory style of management that is exhilarating and terrifying in equal measures.

See the post above yours ;)

Somebody just txt in the studio that we got beat 5-0 in a game last season yet still won the championship.....did I miss that defeat? some people should not be allowed to have the fingers to operate a mobile.

perhaps they were in a coma for two years?

Heh heh!

Oh yeah ::)

I heard the 5-0 comment....What. The. Fuck. ???

Biggest defeat last season was by 2 goals.

Yes about the program. Cant remember who we were playing - but when it was announced Ling was wearing number 9 - someone sat a few rows in front stood up said 'like fuck have I come all this way to watch Martin Ling play up fucking front' (or words to that effect) and left!

OOOOOOOH!

PDC's on.

Paolo speaks.

Saying it's his fault.

Paolo on now.....lets see what the excuse is.

He sounds very very low.

Down to arrogance? interesting.

PDC on now.

I think he's forgotten the names of his players

Sounds pretty low.

PDC singling out specific players by name, but I'm slightly lost as to what he's saying?  Is he saying he should have dropped them all?

PDC struggling to name his own players  :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19409009

indeed!

I think thats what he is talking about, a bit difficult to make it out TBH.

'In the JPT I can't change 11 players'...well you could actually.

Okay I don't have a clue what he's saying.

I am totally confused by this interview

No, the rules state you're only allowed to make five changes from the side that played the weekend before.

but that would give us a fine or even chucked out of the competition surely

WTF is he on about?

What the fuck is he on about?

Did the players go out for a pizza?

I think he's talking about a clique

What's he been smoking?

No you can't you have to play at least 6 players who played in the previous game or something a long those lines

I think he is saying we were unprofessional.

Wes was a "crappy player" even against Stoke. And about Wes arrogance when moaning at others......

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Sounds like PdC's been on the piss...not the players !!!

Something about stupid people, going out for pizza and bats. I think it was the bats' fault

He's just labelled Wes as 'one of the worst football players I have ever seen' today, and called him 'crappy'.

so the humiliation of Wes continues

Just keep digging, Paolo.

So, our manager has gone mad.

Oh, wait.

He just doesn't know when to stop :(

seriously, what the fuck is he on about?

Wes,  Please say Sorry.

Oh dear

This gets worse, he's basically saying that all the players who've been here a while are shit and he'd change them all on Wednesday if he could, but he can only make 5 changes.

It sounds a bit like the Caddis situation has had more of an effect on the players than we thought and PDC doesn't like it?

Wes is a crappy player and was against Stoke.  Rubbish mistakes.  Worst professional, arrogant.  Out from the team if he doesn't apologise o the fans?

PDC is bang out of order in this interview and getting quite personal.  He can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned.

Ha ha ha......PDC says fucking hell on the radio!!!!

Hes gone nuts!!

However.....Wes was poor for the goals at Stoke.....take another look boys...

Bedwell in goal for the Pox...

Wes at Dominos...

someone should really stop him

"If Wes doesn't come out and apologise to the fans, he is out of my team"...Bedwell played well. Doesn't want fans moaning "because its Oxford...".

PDC now sounding like an arrogant prick himself, because apparently Fodderingham was nothing before PDC...Humph, I give up. Good evening Gentleman.

Did he just offer Wes an ultimatum? Apologise or get out?

And no argumentation from you lot either. You can all get knotted too apparently

 di canio is well out of order what hes saying on the radio should be kept behind closed doors. :badmood:

Was somewhat encouraged by Paolo's interview, then he just kept talking.

Can't see Fods playing for us again. Unless Paolo backs down (yeah right), could see a few walking out. :(

Fair enough. Just heard them say that.

Oh dear....

Jeremy Wray, sort this out....

Di Canio is ruining his career...

"Jay McEverley is definatley out on Wednesday, he was rubbish"

 Mcaveley is rubbish now..

McEveley out of team for Wednesday. He was 'absolutely rubbish' today.

Di Canio can't win, he's damned if he speaks out damned if he doesn't

What a train wreck today has turned out to be eh. Fuck.

not trying to stir anything but if you were Wes and listened to this, would you apologise?

and I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't apologise, he's gone. Plenty of clubs would take him off our hands.

this is a bit more than just 'speaking out'

This.

HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA! I listened to the whole interview and I missed that  :D


Other than that.


WHAT THE FUCK??

Cmon Saints..........give me a silver lining!!!

Sounds worse than it is. Keep the faith.

Good luck Jeremy Wray, you're going to need to play an absolute fucking blinder this week. Possibly in goal. 

I just got in, decided not to listen to this one as the missus was moaning about not being able to go to some 'Oxford Circus Circus' thing because I wouldn't come. "We've been doing so well recently, there's nothing to worry about, I'll come home to a 2-1 victory and the Swindon Championship train will keep chugging along." I thought to myself.

WHAT THE HELL HAVE I MISSED?!?!?

Well, the chances of a Premier League club coming in and taking Paolo from us just dropped rather sharply.

Maybe it is, but he'd be slated if he didn't come out and speak to the press, now we all know whats going on

Just when things start looking up for us.

Never fucking easy, is it?

Exactly, this needs to be done behind closed doors and very very quickly.

That was never the substitution to make, there was a need for a sub at the time though and it would have been Rooney. He should have never started on the left because it meant having two new full back/winger partnerships rather than just the one.

McCeverley had no chance against their 17 - their only player interested in getting the ball on the deck - because Rooney had no idea what he should have been doing.  One of the worst individual 45 minutes I've seen in a very long time unfortunately.

Ref was just as bad as we were and just let pne push, pull and kick at every opportunity. Preston were equally as bad but played to the ref's weaknesses.

Paolo did come over and apologize saying it was his fault so you have to respect him for that. I don't expect there to be a problem going forward with regards Wes. He seemed in decent spirits when he came up to sit with us.  I think Paolo meant the overall selection and the apparent lack of preparation given everyone knows what sort of team westly would put out.

Oh well, we won't be that bad again and I hope we give Preston an absolute humping when we play them at home - hateful side.

I guess you didn't hear the interview?

Oh come on, that was a fucking joke.  Completely unprofessional.  Can you imagine someone like Ferguson or Wenger giving an interview like that and naming players as being crap etc?  I'd rather he'd said nothing.  

This is rapidly turrning into a big mess.   No players giving an interview - can you blame them?

Shit day, shit performance, shit scoreline, wrong team selection, wrong substitutions.

Bad day at the office for everyone. We forget it and move onto the next game.

Di Canio is mostly having this mad rant so everyone talks about the mad rant and not the fact our players were shit today and let us down.

....and you are all over re-active mongs :)

pdc has been disgraceful here bang out of order. It is ok sayin wes had no one interested in him by neither did paolo

nope.

Oh dear, just as I thought...DiCanio can't stand the stress...sounds like he is having a breakdown. Poor bloke...Wray needs to step in quickly and send him off for a while. Maybe get someone in quickly to steady things down...what a shame

PURE DRIVEL

You are talking about a shite football decision. I am talking about publicly humiliating and decimating the confidence of a 21 year old who has been critical to your success over the last year. For me,that is not how you treat people and the lowest on field point I have witnessed in 12 years. Disgusted

On the upside, i'm glad I decided to go to Stoke rather than go today.

aRGGGHHHHHH  Fuck off United!!

Sums up my day!

Would rather like to have a decent goalie between the sticks.

I Didn't say I agreed with what was said but if he didn't come out and speak he'd be slated like fuck on here, at least he's got a bit of passion, Ferguson and Wenger have been in the job a lot longer than he has, he's (PDC) still learning his trade. Wray will step and It'll all be sorted out. We're supporting Swindon Town FFS never an easy ride, and rather this shit storm happened now rather than later on the season

So, are some people saying PdC is not emotionally stable enough to be a manager?

I can't help but wonder if we'd not eventually won on Tues then some players may have been dropped for today.  Also noticed Joe Devera was mentioned as one of the players who hasn't been playing well.  Did I miss something, wasn't Paolo covering in him glory after the Franchise or was that just for Caddis' benefit?

Really, how the fuck is he ever going to manage top quality players in the PL?

It seems that unless he can subdue 'inferior' players to his will, he goes off on one

Di Canio has the talent to have a long and illustrious managerial career.

But unless he can calm the fuck down and start managing people and situations it aint going to happen. Not a chance.

There's a limit to how much the Board can back him. They just can't afford to lose Foderingham on top of Caddis.

Fucking madness.

I still think the board are backed in the corner over Di Canio. If they doubt him he will walk. We can't afford to lose him as despite his methods he has still been superb for us. Today he got it wrong but all managers make mistakes just like players do.

No was busy typing away when the talk of the interview was going on. Not really sure what Wes needs to apologize for?

Just got back - a nice stroll back across the park and I'm home! Feel sorry for those driving back to Wiltshire and beyond. I'm not furious, enraged, or overly disappointed by today. The first half was a farce, with none of our players looking interested, but it got a bit better in the second period and we could have gone home without feeling too bad.

So as I say I'm not furious about the game. We could well pick ourselves up, beat Oxford and move on as if this game never happened. However, I'm very concerned about this whole Foderingham situation. For those who weren't there, here's a brief summary of what went on...

- Wes gets a slightly tricky back pass. He could look for a pass, hit it long or put it into touch. He hesitates. And a bit more. His only option now is to clear into touch, but instead he tries to hit it long, and it's blocked by their bloke. McCormack doesn't react, and a PNE player has a tap in.

- Wes spends the next minute arguing with Andy Williams, although they are about 30 yards apart

- A few minutes later, PNE get their second. If I remember rightly, it was from a corner where Wes could perhaps have done better

- Then from another ball into the box Wes claims cleanly, goes for the quick throw out, and mis-throws straight to a PNE player near the half way line. This is where PDC lost it with him and had Bedwell warm up

- Foderingham is replaced by Bedwell to the amusement of the home crowd. He walks straight past PDC, and heads to the tunnel, kicking a water bottle and waving his arms as he goes

- Foderingham didn't reappear until the second half, when him and Rooney came and sat in the away end

Wes wasn't playing well, btu McEveley was havign a shocker, De Vita had looked off the pace, and the defensive unit as a whole was a bit of a shambles. At the time we thought it was ridiculous to be bringing Wes off as others were playing worse, but it seems there was more to it judging by PDC's interview. On the whole I'd say don't worry about the performance or the result, we can bounce back and turn that around. The main concern has to be what happens with Wes.

Faaackin' hell. Today could've gone better.

Meant 19 years and it was a disgrace on a human level, let alone footballing

Well, actually, I'm OK with that PDC interview.

You can argue about the way he says things, but his problem with Wes was that Wes made mistakes and then blamed his team-mates for them, then when substituted acted unprofessionally (compare with Connell being taken off early last year).

He said Wes has to apologise to the fans and his team-mates, which is fair enough, I think. He said the same thing last year in "beer-gate" and apologies were forthcoming.

He also put a lot of blame on himself for not spotting that (a) he has a lot of young players (b) they have played a lot of games recently and (c) last time they had a good cup game, v. Brighton, they did not get ready for the next league game.

He said McEveley was rubbish, and that he was out against Oxford; because he needs rest.

Fair enough comments, I think. Delivered too honestly? Yes. But fair enough observations.

He also said at least 4 times that it was his fault...

Argggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

That sums football up for me today....goodnight!!!!

The Swindon coach has departed Deepdale, with Wes on it for those worrying. Andy Warren on Twitter.

Going to be an awkward drive back.

So, Foderingham needs to apologise for making a mistake for their first goal? Get a grip Paolo!

Haboken's review of interview sounds less problematic so hopefully things can be mended

Really harsh on Wes I must say but we all know Paolo has his ways.

Yes, but he's missed out key points such as PDC stating that nobody wanted Wes before he came here and imo getting quite personal which is not acceptable.

Sadly, "putting a good gloss on things" would be putting it mildly. You need to listen to the interview. Or rather, spare yourself the pain, but rest assured Haboken's review doesn't really capture the essence.

I see. Well time for Wray to have a chat with PDC and sort this out. PDC can't keep doing this in my opinion

Wes wasn't subbed for 'making a mistake'.

I think PDC has it wrong today, went a tad far even by his standards and losing Wes could seriously hurt our ambitions.

Don't agree with people using Kerrouche, Clarke, Caddis etc as examples of 'poor management', I still stand by him on those as I think he called those right.

I can imagine Di Canio literally frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog during that interview.

I felt for Chris Wise when he was describing how he was pretty much eyeball to eyeball with him. I could imagine that might have been quite scary

I woud blame the person who passed it back to him. There is a reason why a goalkeeper is in goal...and it not to clear defenders clearances. Do it their bloody selves.

I've never seen Bedwell play.
Aside from all the emotional stuff, how did he play?

Just saw the highlights. Fods will need to apologise after his kick of the bottle and shout back to DiCanio.

The apology is not for the mistake, but for not holding his hands up afterwards - sounds like he was blaming others. Earlier poster said he was arguing with Williams? Also for his reaction for being subbed. Again, compare with Connell last year. PDC said he can take off a goalie - just because he has a different coloured shirt doesn't make him immune to being subbed. All fair comments, I think. Ball is In Wes' court now...if he holds his hands up, it's all over...if not, it's...over...

He may well have called those right. Its getting to the point I'm doubting that, purely because of the amount of times its happening.

As for the "I made Wes (not the club)" comments, I'm still fuming. Though the Human League might be interested in it to freshen up Don't You Want Me?

The backpass wasn't brilliant but Wes still got it completely wrong. Could easily have put it into touch.


Bedwell was about 6/10. Kicked well, took a few crosses, one or two impressive moments. Also one or two moments when you thought Wes would have done much better.

No surprising, in the circumstances !

Basically, Di Canio's line is, if Wes doesn't apologize publicly, he won't play for us again (which is a bit OTT when all you've done is had a bit of a crap game/20 minutes - shit happens). At some point though, Jeremy Wray - who's support of PDC has to date been nothing short of magnificent - is going to say, 'Sorry Paolo, can't back you on this one'. Will it be now or a few months down the line? We shall see.

Exactly Batch, exactly. I was relieved to see Benson was on the bench today because that was nagging at me as I know it was you.

Just got in, its only 15 mins up the west coast main line.

One positive was how little the fans got on the back of the players when there were at times simply shambolic!

The 1st 15 minutes were the most bizarre I think I have ever witnessed, if you came to the game cold and knew nothing of Town you would have honestly thought that all the back 4 and the keeper had signed on deadline day and never played together, they were that bad.

We all have bad days at the office, but worried me most was what appeared to be a total lack of interest from much of them and if people keep going on about PdC and respect perhaps they should say the same for the players who didnt have a great deal for those who had travellend 200 odd miles!

In terms of specifics, MacEvely seems weak and slow, Devera isnt a right back, Rooney looks and runs like he is 12, Navarro seems to spend most his life berating others, and De Vita really shouldnt play on the right.

I would be surprised if we challeneged for the second ball more than about 5 times in the whole game, and also had one of those days when the ball never seemed to run us.

Oh and finally a word for Bedwell who I felt proper sorry for as he came onto a complete shitstorm! Did OK. It was ironic as he basically got ignored during the warm up as the coaches worked with Foderingham.

Yeah, PDC definitely ranted about Wes, but he wears his heart on his sleeve. But my point was, his points seem to be fair, even though delivered poorly...hopefully Wes will be big enough to hold his hand up.

It was, I admit it :) Meh, come Wednesday we'll win 6-0, Wes will save 6 penalties and we'll be Real Madrid. Or we'll go into meltdown. No idea which.

Agree with all of that, except the Devera comment - he's done OK at right back so far this year, today aside.

Still, one good thing has come out of teh shambles.
Its stopped all the conspiracy theories about why Ritchie wasn't playing.

Agree with this....i love Di Canio....the Caddis affair i think he was right if the player aint training right.....but this today,not on in my opinion,speaking to someone who went the first goal was down to shit defending by the defender as well as a bad kick by Wes.....why isn't the defender dragged off.

Nope....you dont drag your first team keeper off like that in my opinion....total total piss take in my  and PDC had better be carefull because no matter how good a manager you are the fans will not like this one bit.....and include me in this because the facts show that Wes has never let us down......drop him after the game,not twenty mins into it.

Anyone know where I can hear this interview? Assuming its online of course

Loved the interview, enjoyed Paolo's honesty. Wonder how long Wes' twitter silence will last for.

Yep, that's my feelings on the matter too.

Should Wes apologise I think Paolo needs to do the same back to him and publicly.

If I recall the apology wasnt for making a mistake or two, but for his reaction go them (ie arguing with Williams) & to being substituted.

He also said the apology should be to his teammates & the fans, not to Paolo.

See what you're getting at, and McCormack was very much at fault, but PDC didn't bring Wes off for the mistake. He brought him off because of the way he reacted and treated his teammates. Apparently. If so, I can sort of understand, if not empathise with, what Paolo did. Absolutely not saying I agree with his decision, but I can see why he did it.

Post of the day!

Exactly what I heard too..missed Paolo swearing though, so I may be mistaken!

One thing and I dont agree for one minute with what PdC said, but equally what gives Wes the right to public shout and swear at his manager and then show his disgust by kicking a bottle (and he ballsed that up even - he had one of those days), would you do it to your boss and is he not humiliating PdC in public by making it so obvious that he doesnt agree.

Just playing devils advocate a little...

Oh and for some reason we seemed completely unable to either shut down or tackle Sodje during the game...

Essentially we were beaten by a bigger rougher team that wanted it more!

I agree with this, it was very obvious that Wes was losing it and getting very aggro.

I also think Navarro wasnt helping as he just seemed to be berating everyone!

Because he's a 20 year old over confident young lad? I hated my bosses from the age of 20 to well mid late twenties. You think you know it all.

Quoting this in the hope people pay attention.

Wish people would stop saying he was subbed for a mistake, that much is just not true.

Right, I am off now.  What a diabolical day.  When things like this happen, I generally take a few days' holiday from here because I just feel like I need a break.  And the build up to an Oxford game is always the most pointless waste of internet bandwidth anyway.

At least Wes is on the coach.  That's something.  And it's a 3½ hour trip from Preston to Swindon...so that's 3½ hours for PDC and Wes to start patching things up.  Patience is going to wear very thin if a meaningful reconciliation doesn't happen this time.

Another situation that should be dealt with behind closed doors.
 The best managers in the game do not slate their players publicly.
Foderingham wouldn't want to play poorly but shit happens. Digby had some absolute stinkers in his time,and taking a player off like that, then slating him on the radio is a very dangerous game to play. Di Canio has alot to learn about man management i think. Simply fucking players off every time there is a disagreement-incident can't go on like this. The club simply cannot afford this style of management forever. Di Canio has always had his flaws here,just forgotten when its going well, highlighted when it goes wrong.

That said we were due a defeat,everyone has got carried away lately,fans,players,management alike. We have no right to stroll this league.

Well i dont...we have needed a keeper like this for years and when we get one he is virified for being pissed of with his team mates....fuck me the mad Dane at Man Utd would have been dragged off every week.
Like i say.....bad game drop him for the next match,not after twenty mins.......i have every sympathy with the way Wes has reacted.....i want someone who cares,what did you expect him to do................it is a total humiliation in my opinion.

I cringe when I see some of our fans writing on the League One 'banter' page on facebook. "We're going to stroll this league!" and other embarrassing stuff along those lines.

Blimey, I'm a pessimistic fucker. But when the optimists like BR, DRS, Arriba and Leefer call it a bad thing then its a bad thing.

Loved the interview, absolute classic. Struggled to understand quite a bit of it but Paolo is simply restating what we already know which is he has hugely high standards and no-one is bigger than the team. He clearly felt Wes was at fault for some of the goals on Weds and he started badly again today so off he goes. He praises players publicly when they do well and mentions them publicly when they don't. I've no problem with that style of management and if the players have they should man up. I think Wes got taken off because of his attitude and the blaming of others rather than the mistakes. In PdC I still trust!

Until he gets out of the company of the manager. I hope his next tweet is an apology.

If he thinks Wes was at fault for the goals at Stoke fair enough drop him....not take him off after twenty mins......as for his attitude have a word after the match not in front of 10,000 odd Preston fans after twenty mins.

I love Di Canio....but i would be the first to tell him i reckon he got this one very wrong.......lets remember the antics he showed on the pitch at times,cannot say i ever saw him dragged off for them,even at West Ham when he walked off and refused to play Redknapp backed him to the hilt i seem to remember.

I thought their second came from a ball from the left getting side-footed past Wes? Other than that spot on.

McEveley was dreadful today, their number 17 tore him a new one but he wasn't really helped by Rooney in the first half who looks lightweight unfortunately. Equally I thought McCormack was dodgy even with Wes in goal with Flint playing OK.

I'd like to give Williams and Collins some credit as they didn't stop running again today despite the defending and Bostock looked a threat at times but looked to do too much on the occasion, but we were 3-0/3-1 down.

For as good as Tuesday was, today was dire. I hope there aren't too many damaging consequences to today, as someone noted earlier this is one game out of 46. I just hope common sense prevails and things can get patched quickly.

 Worth noting though that the players including Wes know what he is like,what we see and hear is fuckall compared to what the players get on the training ground. This isnt the first and wont be the last rant the players get. It will die down,this is the way he lets them know he isnt hagpy. Not nice but has been effective

So, basically, we've gone from Barcelona to Barnet in under a week

Effective? Perhaps in the wrong sense, but anyone who can see any kind of positive out of the situation today is a bit deluded I think.

And back to Barcelona we hope...

talking of Barnet, they are only just below Bristol Rovers.

c ya wednesday :smugfu:

You've got us good there.

Don't get me wrong, but sometimes I feel PdC is like one of my teeth

I know one day it's going to give me pain and think I might like to get rid of it before it does

Why cant we just get a defeat, feel a bit pissed off, and then get on with things.

Why does it always have to be so dramatic?

I think a L2 championship, cup final and beating teams in higher leagues is effective, and, not in the wrong sense.

PDC may have got it wrong today, but he's done pretty fucking well so far and his demanding nature is very much a part of that. And besides, this may just be the kick up the backside that Wes (allegedly) needs. It'd be good to have 'Super Wes' in goal, and not just 'Wes'.

If you call a Championship, a trip to wembley and numerous higher league opposition scalps the 'wrong' kind of effective, I think it may be you that's deluded.
Di Canio has a rant, we lose a game and the usual suspects do what comes naturally. PdC's made mistakes in the past and no doubt he'll make more in the future, but if you compare his failings to his achievements, who wouldn't want him here? Best thing to do, imho, is let it die down, don't get hysterical and fan the flames.

Not deluded,are you saying it hasnt been effective so far

Funny, I've just come back on after leaving about 15 mins before the game finished and read all this about Wes blaming others because at Stoke, before all of this, I noticed a bit of an altercation between Wes and McCormick right in front of us in the first half.

The ball comes over the top on the edge of the 6 yard box, West stays on his line, we look shaky but eventually clear it away. Wes says something to McCormick who never exactly shy and McCormick goes mental at him pointing to the edge of the 6 yard box as if to say "Are you fucking kidding me? There!? That should be yours all day long"

There could be something in this if Wes is arguing with Andy Williams who's miles away...if you make a mistake, stop blaming other people.

In hindsight, I'm going to pretend this afternoon never happened.

After all I'm sure it won't matter a fucking jot when we're Champions at the end of May :-)

So he DID sign for us?! Paolo/Wray out!  :sherlock:

Paolo is Paolo

24 hours ago, most on this site loved him for it.

He's a bit mad, but look where we are now, compared to where we were then ???
Who would rather be in L2 with a boring manager.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of people on this forum that have been waiting for a chance to turn on him

No, because Paolo hasn't gone this mental before. I agree that his style of management has been very effective for us, but I do think that today was just a step too far.

Wes apologise????!!! And ur Ok with that???!!! This is a young lad who has been a gun and has now been humiliated and ur siding with pdc... Ur off ur rocker. Young people make mistakes (Alan mcs fault anyway for the first??!) and a 40 year old expects an apology? Delusional

I loved PdC. Today I lost all faith. He might as well be McMahon. In fact, that was McMahon management.

So so disappointed to say it but I can't see a difference between PdC and McMahon after today.

And from that point, it can't get any lower

Broke my toe on a deck chair yesterday and then all this today, it's not been good

Think that sometimes Paolo has to remember that in a lot of cases he's dealing with kids and to cut them a bit of slack. They can't be perfect all the time

This post is absolute bollocks. Get a grip you cunt

McMahon was an utter cunt - PdC is just a little unstable but has the club's interests at heart

McMahon shouldn't even been mentioned in the same breath

Just take a look at abuse on Wes Foderingham's facebook page. So called - Town fans calling for the manager and describing him in rather unpleasant and derogatory words. Twitter is the same, are football fans not just a little fickle after all that Paolo has guided us too. It has been one hell of a roller coaster that I hope doesn't end soon. I really hope he or anyone close don't read this abuse and feedback to him.

Just because most 'love'him as you say, it doesn't mean people don't have the right to voice an opinion if they disagree with a decision he makes.

As for people waiting for a chance to turn on him, what a load of crap.  I would hope that the majority of people who post on this forum want the club to do well and can see that is happening under Paolo.  Sometimes though there is unnecessary stress and upset, which could be avoided.  We've questioned numerous decisions that manager's have made in the past, why should Paolo be any different just because of who he is?

Fucking hell.  :suicide:

Step away from the computer, sleep on it and see how you feel in the morning.

What an incredibly stupid post,....no one on this forum has turned on him....some including myself just think today was wrong.

And Dave from Bournemouth....next time you drop your wallet on your toe make sure it is empty ;D

This is the most astonishing load of shit I have ever read.

What an incredibly stupid post,....no one on this forum has turned on him....some including myself just think today was wrong.

Have you actually read this forum ?

Are we officially in meltdown yet??

ffs, get a grip... :gay:

There's a difference between criticising a chap for making an honest mistake and "turning on him".

It was empty after the Franchise game Lee

Yes.

I think he was unprofessional, immature and out of order. Not for the first time. But that doesn't mean I want him out, just that I don't 100% agree with his methods?

So it that turning on him or not?

At least we aint liverpool. Now they are in a fucking mess

or Portsmouth

You could've stopped your comment there...  :D

The way they're going on, they sound like us two years ago. No players giving a shit.

I'm calling a meltdown   .....
an Italian meltdown
It isn't surprising the temperature's rising ...

splajjj fnuckkk gerioptermuff blitz snurrrrk

and now I feel better

Aww sweet. I remember my first my beer.

What an afternoon.

Love Paolo but I'm uncomfortable when he comes out and criticises players publicly, there are ways in which to do things.

 When we stuff the pox all will be good again(crosses fingers touches wood etc)

You've got wood at the thought of beating Oxford? Its exciting, but that may be a bit OTT :)

Especially after a clean sheet from Bedwell

http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?75450-According-to-Swindon/page7

 :headhurts:

Not read the thread.

Di Canio is a cunt.

Steve McMoan wasn't that cringeworthy.

Why has he been humiliated? He let in 3 goals on Weds, another 2 early on today and then argues with his team mates. He was substituted, not humiliated. Fair play to PdC to have the bollocks to do it. The only disgrace today in my mind was the callers and texters to BBC Wilts afterwards calling for PdC to go. Shameful overreaction.

I'm really disappointed in Paolo today,sometimes as a manager you have to just hold your hands up and take the blame.
There are even occasions when you take the blame on behalf of your players,when it hasn't been your fault.

To then expect Wes to make a public apology is pushing things to the limit.We win together and we lose together.

Hopefully,Jeremy Wray can be a calming influence and get Paolo,Wes and the players together,talk things through and
bring a degree of common sense to the proceedings.

I don't get it. What do they have against us? Is their some kind of rivalry I'm unaware of?

Don't really know what to say about today. I just hope that PDC and the players can put this one down to experience, stay united as a unit and learn from it.
In my opinion Wes is one of the best signings the club has made in years and PDC is our best manager since the Macari days and neither of them need the shit that is flying around on the likes of twitter and facebook.
I wonder how many of these keyboard warriors would actually have the minerals to spout some of this shit face to face with either Wes or PDC?
We were always going to get a spanking somewhere along the line and if it had been against Stoke rather than today, nobody would have said fuck all.
We all knew PDC was going to ruffle a few feathers along the way and I dare say he will ruffle a few more doing what he thinks is the right thing for the club.
One thing I do want to know though, for all the wankers in the "PDC Out" camp, who the fuck would replace him and offer the same amount of drive, passion and determination to succeed. Somebody like Andy King? Fuck Off.
Give me Paolo Di Canio any day of the week.

 

Haha. Keyboard warriors, say it to PDCs face etc.

It's an Internet forum for opinions. Get a life Steptoe you sad cunt.

And yes I'd say that to your face x

They may have taken our "going to walk the league" joke as arrogance. Or jealous we have spent money on players. Who knows.

Can someone put up the facebook comments.

I think we would if he had hauled Wes off after 20 minutes then slated him in the post match interview.

I don't recall seeing much reaction to the defeat itself, other than obvious disappointment.

The fact that we have had people from opposing teams coming on here goading us would suggest we are not liked.  Personally I dont give a fuck.  Its jealousy.  For all the hatred of PDC they have, they would love to have him as manager.

Don't do it to yourself man!

So 44 pages and not one person has said fair play Preston, they played us off the park. Some people need a fucking grip on things. Di Canio has annoyed me this week, Firstly with one of the best results in our history quip, really Paolo?
Secondly comparing us to Barcelona, really Paolo?
Now this today with yet another player Stop believing the hype and dont expect to walk the division, Tef is dangerously close to waccoe territory.

I can't see them. Not on there

A selection from the Swindon Town Fans group:

I'm with Flashheart. What is with Preston Fans? Why do they hate us so much? Please, one of them who sees this, make an account and explain. I'm fascinated as to what we've done other than gift wrap you 3 points and +3GD.
 
Radio Wiltshire need to stop being so shitstirry with the texts and emails they choose. It happens every match we do vaguely badly, they choose all the trolls or people who are honestly so braindead they believe Paolo is shit and we need Andy King back. Seriously, it's nearly as bad as the Adver's headlines (cue thread turning into a pro-con media debate).

Those comments aint as retarded as I expected. No worse than in this thread

Ha ha

And look what's happened since the Clarke incident.

Agreed, there are a few arguing the case for PDC's stance too. I didn't see any "Paolo out" posts when I skim read it.

Some of out finest fans opinions  :no:


 :no: Literate bunch.

Being a Swindon fan is a complete clusterfuck sometimes.

Maybe I should've just saved the hassle and thrown myself overboard into Mudeford Quay this morning.

Which Paolo did today when he walked over to the away end at the final whistle, and mouthed/indicated something along the lines of 'my faul not theirs' or something to that effect.

And he made the effort to walk over to the fans which is actually more than the majority of the players did! Who hovered around the half way line and then walked off.

Back in 85/86, the last season we played Preston, they were the worst team I've ever seen, and would have been Conference bound...if relegation had been in place back then.

In the home game, we were so much better than them, that at one point Chris Ramsey put his foot on the ball and started doing up his bootlace which had come undone, he had time to complete it, before nicking the ball away from the norverner who tried in vain to tackle him.  Macari went ballistic at Rambo, saying that this kind of showboating would just motivate Preston players and fans for the home game...we won that 3-0 anyway.

Norverners have long memories, perhaps Lou was right....just 26 years late.

To save me reading all 44 (soon to be 45 pages), could somebody sum this thread up in no more than 3 bullets please....

Point 1 - We lost and played shit.
Point 2 - Wes/Paolo* is a arse and should apologies (*delete as appropriate depending on viewpoint)
Point 3 - We are all doomed/it was just an off day (see above)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh - it's lucky I'm not suicidal
curry has arrived - bye

Pdc can and has built a league winning team but can he keep a winning team together. That's my only concern with pdc. Wes should be back between the sticks in wednesday or this will rumble in. What will happen if we lose against the pox. It was just the jpt against a tinpot club but now it's become a lot more important.

I think one to the head should do it for most people.

* Lost 4-1, Paolo subbed Fods after 20. Slated him as arrogant in post match interview and issued "apologise or you are out" ultimatum.

* Some people thought Paolo was being a dick.

* Some didn't

And then slated half the team on the radio, naming individuals as being rubbish, arrogant unprofessional etc.  Hardly a morale boost.

At £19 a ticket I expect us to have a go.

After the way they performed today I am not sure they need a morale boost, the best I could say is that they were still knackered from Tuesday night!

Adver is made for you Batch :D

Heh! heh! I was at that game...If Di Canio was manager he would probably have kicked Ramsey out the club. Macari presumably just gave Ramsey a bit of a bollocking.

Thinking about it, why can't Di Canio go with the 'bit of a bollocking' strategy?? No public aplologies involved, just 'a bit of a bollocking'. Then the next day we all move on...what's wrong with that?? I'm sure that's how it used to work.

I can't stop thinking about some of the shit performances I've witnessed in recent years and how Paolo reacted to the performance/result today. I reckon he'd have had some of the shit we've had play for us up against a firing squad.

Christ, imagine him managing David Prutton and Michael Rose.

I'd rather have Paolo in charge than Malpas looking confused and Ade Williams beside him 'windmilling'.. oh the memories

PDC & man managment do not go together we know that

Wes was wrong with his reaction - appologise

This will be a big week after paolo's meltdown to see how the players respond

I was one of the more vociferous when Paolo was appointed but despite some truly bizarre moments, there's no doubt in my mind that he's the right man for the job and the best Town manager of my era.

I remember that incident too and the cheer Rambo got from the Town End/Stratton Bank. I always thought it was v Port Vale, my memory is going, so thanks Reg.
I think Lou fined him and that was the end of it.

I see nothing wrong with the keeper being pissed off with getting subbed so soon. Would be worse if he showed no reaction. Di canio should appreciate that. Whether he does or not is another thing

And I'd have PdC's interviews over Paul 'didn't realise we had to try and score more than them to win' Hart any day. Yes, Paolo's a mentalist, but he's our mentalist!!

Bit bemused by the PNE fans' response. They moan that nobody's given them credit for the win... We looked like a pub team at times. Genuinely couldn't believe how dreadful we were right from the very first minute. I'd give Preston 7/10, as they'd need much better opposition or a double-figure scorline to warrant anything higher. They might be a good team destined for promotion, or they might be play-offs-at-best. Hard to tell when we didn't put them to the test.

As for McEveley, perhaps Paolo shouldn't have said what he did in the post match interview, but he was spot on in his assessment. Absolutely dreadful performance. I was stood next to a Wolves fan who said the ref could do us a favour by sending him off. Sadly, McEveley was far from the only one who was sub-par today.

Are you deliberately missing the point? Paolo was furious because of the way Wes responded to his team mates, both today and at Stoke, not the way he reacted to the substitution (although that might not have helped).

We  just got kicked in the nuts, it hurts but after time we'll recover we'll bounce back, I don't want to be Oxford. Hopefully we'll give them a pasting.

During the 2010/11 relegation season, people on this board were crying out for someone to install total discipline, someone to improve the culture that existed within in the dressing room. Now we have that person, we feel uncomfortable with his willingness to drive that home regardless of the individual.

When Paul Hart refused to give straight answers in post-match interviews, there was uproar at the lack of openness. Now we have someone transparent and we don't always like that either.

All that we should judge PDC on are his results. Today we were thoroughly outplayed by Preston but we are P6 W4 D1 L1. He shouldn't compromise his approach that had delivered faultless outcomes for a year now.

BTW can someone explain what the PNE players were doing on the touchline at the start of each half - odd.

Your first point is definitely a fair one Mex. We as fans tend to be totally obsessed by our own team. I just think today that events overtook us with the what is by now the infamous Foderingham substitution. Also, we were pretty shit away from home on quite a number of occasions last season (Aldershot, Crewe, Oxford). This is of some concern to me and you tend to get wrapped up in that and forget that there were, in fact, two teams on the pitch. So just for the record - well played Preston.

Next point - PDC saying that the Stoke win was one of the best in the club's history - well...yes...it was. How many times have we won away to a team in the top division? We only did it once even when we were in the PL so I don't see a problem with that statement?

Next..comparing us to Barcelona...that's Paolo. No one takes that seriously do they? Anyone who does, you just have to feel sorry for them don't you?

Your last point..I don't quite understand it to be honest. You might want to try re-typing it or something.

Well said.

who was the embarassing (to say the least) town fan on 606 that couldnt speak properly. ummmm ummmm yeh so the keeper made a bad clearance and he got subbed for it.  

He's saying yet another public rant about a player. Stop believing our own hype because we will not walk the division. This forum is nearly akin to the one for Leeds fans.

keepers rowing with their defenders is completely normal. Happens all the time. My point stands although I see where you are coming from

how dare you mock my speech impediment

if that was you, you deserve more grief than di canio for his interview

I don't think it is. I think in general that Town fans are far too self deprecating/realistic/superstitious/down right negative for that to be true.

The dramatic win on Tuesday and the influx of signings on Friday created understandably massive hype amongst both the fans and also, I suspect, the players.

Today was a reality check of the highest order.

Schmeichel used to verbally destroy his defenders week in week out

Personally I don't think the arguments were Wes fault -
I counted six players going spare at him before he was subbed -
For a goal Alan mc could easily have prevented - if that is the right culture then I've got no interest in it

Agree with that, can you imagine the meltdown that would occur if we lose to the yellow filth on Wednesday?

jesus mate, what kind of fan are you. Paolo went over the top but so have you!

It's not losing that bothers me,it's the way a 21 yr old who has helped make u in unfairly publicly humiliated

I can take losing, I'm a Swindon fan

One that has some principles on how you shouldn't treat peoole like shit to indulge your own ego