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Paolo is not happy with caddis's attitude and negativity towards the team
since his return to pre-season and has been told to decide if he wants to be a town player.
Alan McCormack been offered the armband.

And you would be?

What a load of old gash that really is

We have a new forum spaz.

Well I'll apologise if it turns out to be true but sounds like total bollocks to me.

Considering Caddis has been skipper in every pre-season game so far & Paolo has publically praised his attitude in past interviews I think it's safe to say this is bollocks.

burrrrrr

The same Caddis that was captain against Palace only last week.
The same Caddis that is highly thought of by PDC and coaching staff.
The same Caddis that has been captain and one of our most consistent performers for the past few years.

I smell bullshit from Gleebulls.

Nice trolling oh fan of the team up the A420.

Dearie me, poor effort - first post, calls himself 'dangly balls' and thinks we're going to fall for that crap.

It'll be Toby Lerone next to tell us Matt Ritchie is going to Man City for £50million.

Dangly Bulls actually ;)

Some of the names on the radio are really funny.

Paticularly liked I.P Daly.

Its weird trolling though isn't it,I prefer my trolling slightly more offensive. Call a player a Peado or say someone got something stuck up their bottom..that's proper Trolling!

I expect they genuinely thought the TEF would go into meltdown.

Not an unreasonable thing to think really considering some of the TEF's previous meltdowns.

Wrong player though. Had they said it was Ferry that had fallen out with Paolo, it could have been true.

But I can't recall anyone having a bad word to say about Caddis at any time so it was always likely to be called out as bollocks.

Could be a bit of egg on a few faces here. Was told this on friday

I've heard a few things regarding Caddis being unsettled here and his dislike of Di canio. Thought that was in the past though

Really, do you know anything more?

Caddis was influential for us last season as both a player and captain.  It will be massively disappointing if he's dropped as captain which would surely lead to his departure?

He was skipper against Palace,

Guess we'll find out Tuesday.

He's just had his first child as well.  That could add to the unsettlement assuming the majority of his family is in Scotland?

He's been captain for every pre-season game and was on Wednesday so IF McCormack has been offered the armband this must have happened on Thursday if DRS was told on Friday. Unless he's refused and then someone else would have been offered it.

As SWS says we'll see Tuesday.

All i heard is what the op has said and that ritchie caddis and flint have not stopped moaning in recent weeks which isnt going down well.

Caddis always looks miserable to me,i cannot ever recal him having a smile on his face.

Good player he is though.

Why are they moaning?

In Flints case I'd imagine not playing and being blamed in the drinkgate for a crime he did not commit.

Fuck knows what reason the other two have, PDC isn't the most placid of characters though - who knows what it is really like to work under him.

DRS on the wind-up.


I hope.

That agent Darren tweeted last week something about how important is a captain to a club? He has deleted it now, but hopefully unrelated

Only saying what i heard.See on tuesday wont we.

DRS always has a inside take on stuff, kind of like a subtle version of Banbury Red .If DRS says there's meat to this bone then there probably is..

Can't tell if DRS is using the fact that we know he gets to hear things to his advantage for the ultimate trolling.

I'm hoping it's this.

The cheeky scamp

Not a wind up buddy. Did hear it but who knows clear the air talks and all could be ok but have be told the captaincy has changed

Love the way the OP gets pelters, because he's an unknown/newbie, DRS then backs up his story and attiudes change. Typical TEF, love it.

Hmm first time poster blurts out something, regular poster who we know gets the inside scoop on things backs it up... HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

I still think DRS is on the wind up. It's Sunday.


lalalalalallaala fingers in ears lalalalalala

Newbies will always get questioned, and rightly so, because we have no way of knowing the value of what they say.

If a stranger come up to you in the pub and told you something, would you just believe him?

Hardly surprising though is it, why we would believe a post from someone who's just registered? Rather like buying a Ferrari off Ebay from someone with no feedback...

I hope this is rubbish I really do,  how many more players does paolo want to fall out with?

The players he's fallen out with haven't been crucial but Caddis certainly is.

Kerrouche?

Disappointing as it was it didn't turn out to be crucial.

Falling out with Caddis and Ritchie would be a nightmare, Can kind of understand Flint being pissed off about the drinking thing but Paolo did apologise but then you don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

He would have been if we didn't find a replacement, benson.

All our players are Irraplaceable with our board willing to back our nutter of a manager.

Benson was more a Clarke replacement.


I assume you mean replaceable not irreplaceable, but yes he has been the most board backed manager I can remember.

Was Clarke kerrouches replacement?
Just hope all is well and cads comes out the tunnell first on tuesday. Otherwise it could be the end before we even started

No



Wouldn't go that far, but it wouldn't be great.

Just been reported on bbc wilts, alan mcormack to be this seasons captin. :badmood:

The meltdown cometh...

Oh dear...just heard that on the 7am news...not good news...

Even if you look at this in the most objective, non hysterical light, you have to conclude that this is the beginning of the end for Caddis. This cannot be a good thing, especially with the new season less than a week away.

I wonder what spin the Club will put on it :hmmm:

It makes me also think that Di Canio will eventually fall out with most players over time...maybe he is so intense that he will only ever last 2 or 3 seasons at any club he is manager of.

It's one thing falling out with players like Kerrouche, and calling out Flint in public, but Caddis?

If the OP is correct and PdC is unhappy with Caddis's attitude and negativity toward the team, what is he supposed to do, nothing? 
I'll wait and see what comes before wringing my hands and wailing.
I still remember Douglas's captaincy: brilliant one season, completely ineffectual the next.

May not be the managers fault?

Whoever is to blame, this is not good. We missed Caddis like fuck when he was out last season. It's the absolute last thing we wanted to hear right now. I just hope the situation is handled as professionally as possible by all parties and maybe, just maybe, Caddis gets to stay until the end of the season.

To put it mildly, I don't think PdC sees continuity and calm as a key ingredient to a successful team. The complete opposite appears to be true: conflict and a little bit of chaos every now and again, he thinks, is necessary to keep people at the top of their game. If that's true, I wish he'd pick his battles slightly more carefully, because Caddis is one of, if not the, most important cog in our machine.

Apologies OP.

This is very bad news. beginning to think PDC can fall out with his own reflection if the mood takes him. Humph.

For all we know it could be Caddis who's being problematic.

We don't know, he could be orchestrating a move.

But what we do know is Caddis has been exemplary in the way he has conducted himself in public, whereas PDC has managed to publucally fall out with players rather quickly (Clarke, Kerouche, Tahoue...).

It would be a very quiet forum if we comment only when facts are 100% known. Caddis was key last season and its disappointing that this has happened.

No doubt someone will say I've gone into meltdown, I haven't, just a bit bemused at times with PDCs man management. Every now and again it seems McMahonesque from the outside.

Could also be a tactical thing. Could be that Caddis has called is own future at the club into question for a myriad of reasons and Paolo has decided that time is right for a switch. Could be that Paolo has another right back lined up and Caddis is pissed of about that. There are ladles and jellyspoons a number of reason as to why, and infact there may well be a perfectly logical explanation for it......

But then we have Paolo Di Canio as boss so what do I know, what do any of us know? It will all come out in the wash.

Did BBC Wilts say why?

Assuming not, i think a lot of people here are creating all sorts of shit up. Can't it just be that McCormack is a better leader than Caddis? Caddis always seems to me really quiet on the pitch. McCormack is the one who leads on the pitch for me.

So assuming nothing else has happened i'm quiet happy with the change of captaincy.

Maybe he asked to give it up ?

I think there might be something in this. I personally don't see Caddis as a natural leader. Perhaps he instigated it himself?

McCormack is obviously more vocal on the pitch and a lot more experienced in the captains role, as long as Caddis is not put out or upset by the decision then there are no problems.

Maybe PdC though Caddis did not give his all as captain or that Caddis himself couldn't give his all to the role?

If there is indeed friction between PdC, Caddis, Ritchie and Flint then this needs sorting out quickly.

I'm waiting now for the 'well the gaffer and I put our heads together and we both thought I'd be able to do what I needed to on the pitch a little better without having to worry about being Captain as well' interview.  Well, hoping for it anyway.  Botham was a better player when he was relieved of the England captaincy.  Fingers crossed it's something like that.

I hope the club will make a full statement about this.  Thereare innocent reasons, I guess which could explain this decision.  But I have been a Caddis fan since he joined, and even in the early days, when others were not sure about him, I thought he would demonstrate his outstanding qualities - and he has.  However, he was only made skipper late on last season - Commazzi was the original nominee, I seem to remember.  He seemed to come across well in public (and I know people at the club who would strongly agree with that); that doesn't necessarily make him a great team captain but PR for the team is at least part of the job....

From comments on here, he is clearly a very popular and respected player, and a key part of the team.  Supporters deserve a proper statement of what is going on.

To be fair in cricket getting the captaincy seems to turn players into a heap of shit..

Please please please something like that.

Well its on the BBC Wiltshire web site that PDC has stripped him of the captaincy, and he "informed" Caddis of this on Friday

That sounds more like its a PDC decision than a joint one ?

 Pure speculation but was Caddis the subject of the turned down bid? Not being funny but in all the preseason games I watched he seemed off the boil, almost distracted...

Off to oxford

At least the timing isn't bad.

I propose a day of mourning.

The meltdown on twitter is most amusing.

Absolutely, or even if he is angling for a move then its understandable. As said above, BBC's reporting using words like "stripped" and "informed" don't bode well. Lets hope that is typical journalism at work.

And the OPs post regarding not just Caddis but Ritchie and Flint that makes me fear that there is more to this.

Could all easily be blown out of proportion/not true/half truths etc etc. I know.

All we can do is wait and see. Nothing that hasn't happened before and won't happen again.

Think this tells us pretty much what is going on.

Perhaps Caddis has been tapped up by another club over the holiday?

For fucks sake.

Op, watch yourself. I banned you once, which was for your own good. It's unprofessional to make comments on a club a relative is employed by.

I have never given a shit who the captain is apart from Keepers.

I would of quite happily had Pericard as a captain if we had stayed up that year.

I think this is more like NEWS KIPPER

Of course the Captain doesn't really matter but lets not pretend this isn't a blow.

and Barry you girl don't ban people for their own good let them get in trouble.

Could potentially lose tH dressing room, then again may not be too serious. Hope it's the latter. Flint in particular
should think himself lucky.the club covered up for him when he got decked and lied to the public about his injury.

Apologies to the OP.... Hail the all knowing Dan Gleeballs!
Seriously gutted about this though, hopefully there is nothing sinister in it & Caddis didnt want the armband, or accepts that someone else would be better with it.

Perhaps he was just shit at winning the toss!

My apologies to the OP for claiming this as "gash"

Cheerio Paul

8)

Surely Douglas only captained us to relegation?

Gordon Greer must have been captain in our play off season when he played?

Caddis to re-join Wilson at Sheffield United - you heard it here first...

Also worth remembering Risser started off as captain last season and soon lost the armband without losing his place in the squad or falling out with Di Canio or being moved on...

Heard that on thisis comments on the ritchie article this morning. If we were adding 2 and 2 that would be the 4 if this whole captaincy change is as sinister as it sounds. The problem for me with this is it suggests a recent falling out or change in attitude from Caddis. If the captaincy was under review then this change would have happened duting pre-season. time will tell but hopefully it's something of nothing, I can't help thinking it's not though.

And to think people were complaining about slow news days!

Doh! Good point, completely forgot about Greer, must have erased him from my memory.
Have we got a PR department at the club? If the decision was made last Friday, why didn't the club announce it over the weekend and avoid all the assumptions and hysteria?

I'm more inclined to err on the side of this being a bit worrying, rather than a calmly thought out, mutual agreement. You don't move on the captaincy from a title winning key player without something being a bit wrong.

Well, that's my take on it to this point, anyway!

We're Doomed!

Should we be expecting a club statement on this?  I am guessing BBC Wilts and the Adver will be doing there pre match interviews with PDC today and surely the question will be asked then ...

Interesting that it's only the BBC reporting this story so far.  Still nothing from the Adver...which I find odd.  Maybe there is more to this, or maybe Sam Morshead has just fallen asleep?

Where's that panic button?

Looks like you're going to have to join the queue!

Think that Caddis holds the cards here really. If he's had a bust up with Di Canio,or the gaffer doesn't like his current attitude he will be able to turn it around. He's clearly one of our best players and Di canio rates him too. If he wants to knuckle down and get on with it i'm sure it will blow over. Not sure if the player wants that though and from what i've heard previously i think he may want to jump ship.

Special Swindon Town red & white edition, as requested.

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Ah fuck, thought this pre season had gone far too cunting smoothly.

I wonder if us triggering Caddis contract extension has anything to do with this?! I remember thinking at the time he didn’t seem quite that bothered or happy about it

Is the press conference on the radio? Would like to listen to it very much.

If Cadd isn't happy we should cash in and get a new right back. Done.

No, its just a normal pre match press conference. Best bet is to follow Adver Sams tweets

Or indeed, Kerrouchial.

Adver Sam has just tweeted me to say he has no news other than he believes it to be true and is waiting for the official press conference which is later!

You sir need Mehdical help.

:clap:

So if Caddis goes will his best mate Ferry be on his way too?

On another tangent - if PdC has indeed an uncanny knack of falling out with players, how is he ever going to deal with players with just as big egos as his, if and when, he hits the PL?

This time last year we all thought Ferry was on his way out (Bournemouth being rumoured I think?) as it looked like Di Canio wasnt too keen on him.

Last season Simon Ferry played more games than any other player in our entire squad - I think Di Canio doesnt suffer fools (well that much is obvious) but I think he's willing to let it slide should the player in question re-acted in a positive way.

We'll see, my main worry with his news is - if Caddis does leave then that only leaves us with Nathan Thompson as a right back doesnt it? Actually didnt Joe Devera play there for a bit last season?

Yeah.

I believe he played mostly at RB for Brentford as well.

And there's always Chris Smith  ;D

We'd get good money for Caddis so getting a replacement isn't a worry. It's the knock on effect in the dressing room(if there is one)that could be a major minus for the coming season. If Richie and Flint are playing up too it doesn't look to good.
Fortunes change very quickly in football,a spanner in the works can cause all sorts of shit.

I'll assume you mean Barnet as he's never played for Brentford.

I'd still swap Matt Ritchie for Danny Ward...

Barnet then, that's the badger.

I wouldnt. Danny Ward looked pretty unfit and chubby when Huddersfield came here last season. Looks as if the northern delights have become too much for him sadly.

He did and defensively he did OK but we lost a lot going forward.  Without Caddis, Ritchie looked a bit lost as well.

Caddis seemed to thrive on being club captain so I'm hoping he doesn't lose his 110% commitment out on the pitch because of the decision. He probably got away with a few yellow cards last season remonstrating with refs which he may not of got away with if he wasn't captain so will need to take a step back and leave it to whoever gets the arm band. I don't think it will effect the rest of the squad but just hope it doesn't effect Caddis himself, suppose it depends on who made the decision ?

Anyone who would take Matt Ritchie over Danny Ward needs their head testing.

We will easily replace Caddis with someone who has equal/better defensive capabilities, however finding a right back with his attacking qualities will be very, very difficult. Devera, although solid, offered us nothing going forward when he filled in for Caddis last season.

If he was to move then Sheffield United would make sense, but aren't they skint? They have lost Matt Lowton this summer who is very similar to Caddis in that he is an attacking full back so he would be a like for like replacement.

Have to wait and see anyway, may be nothing.

Couldn't agree more. Caddis the player could be replaced, though not easily and not necessarily with the same quality.  But split the dressing room and we risk everything.

All speculation of course...

I think this has been on the cards for a while as on a few interviews I have thought that Caddis has dissaggreed agreed with PDC's view of the preceeding game and always sided with the players and stuck up for them. I'd imagine PDC would be irratated by this and would much rather the captain and manager were singing from the same song sheet as pdc looks underminded.

Would be gutted if Caddis left and I could quite imagine ritche going as well if he does. Both are good players but together they are even better. Come on PDC learn some people skills.

I believe that over the summer there were enquires made for both Caddis & Ritchie from 2 championship clubs these clubs where told we were not interested in selling, they went away.

If players heads have been turned by interest from bigger clubs and they feel it will further their career but they are not being allowed to talk to the clubs then this is bound to affect their performances in training and on the pitch.

Maybe some players find it easier to handle interest from other clubs better than others.

I think I've missed something here - why are Ritchie and Flint playing up & what it got to do with the Caddis situation  ?

Speculation based on DRS' first post in this thread - of which the Caddis bit has turned out to be correct.


DRS is normally pretty accurate in what he says...

ah - cheers

Am I right in thinking that Caddis didn't exactly sound enthused when it was announced the club had triggered the clause in his contract to extend it by another year? Seem to remember a comment along the lines of "it wasn't anything to do with me".

Perhaps a contract dispute/head turned by bigger club?

Amended my post above...

I think he said words to the effect of he had no choice, but it was something that would "probably" have happened anyway.

edit: Or maybe I dreamt the "probably" bit:

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/sports/caddis_extends_swindon_stay

Its taken me 20 minutes to work out who OP is!!

I trawled back through the thread looking for a poster with the initials O.P.

Woe is me!

Worrying!  PDC for all his plus points needs to learn some people managment skills!

24 hours before the start of the season ..... If we do start badly I worry I really do!

and the answer is ?

Bring back Kingy!

Optimus Prime.

Yes that's right, DRS added the bit about Flint/Ritchie. DB was the whistle blower.

This is a job for Iffy Onoura!

Optical Pollution

Lets wait and see what comes out of this afternoons press conference before pressing the panic button.

I think everyone is a little worried should we have a lengthy bad run and how PDC would deal with it. Still lets hope we dont ever get to that point!!

And this I think, is the reason why out beloved Mr Di Canio may not make it to the big leagues as a manager. That interview towards the end of last season where he was saying this team would be nowhere without me and that he nearly left etc. A  club like West Ham or whoever else wouldn't let him get away with that kind of stuff, he'd be a potential PR disaster for a big club.

 He can get away with it here and while we have some success he'll continue to do so. I bloody love him, and think he's been great for the club, but he ain't everybodys cup of tea and as a manager you have to learn a bit of diplomacy.

;) ...cough splutter.
No longer.

Having had the morning to consider/worry about this, it's not ideal, but it's part and parcel of having a successful side. Caddis, it would seem, is locked into a deal he signed 2 years ago, when the club wasn't paying the wages it is now. Sheffield United may be interested, we may have knocked them back and he isn't happy. It's closer to home and he would have a pay increase, and Sunday's off! Hopefully it can all be resolved - Caddis' all round play and attacking threat will be incredibly difficult to replace. His link up with Ritchie and Ferry likewise. We should be bending over backwards to keep him happy.

Oh we should never have sacked Paul Hart.

I may get slated for this but hey ho, I was attracted to watching stfc because of DiCanio. Now I'm a season ticket holder and I like stfc more than Pdc. He is starting to tick me off. The backing he has had, the mistakes he has made, the seemingly good players he has let go and now the good players he has ticked off just before the start of the season. Brighton will be a very hard game and could quite likely end in a loss. This is looking like Southampton all over again and a dreadful start to a season. Speculation on my part and I will be happiest if I am wrong.

Have a word with yourself.

We haven't even played a fucking game yet.

Di Canio not turned up to the press conference yet.

BUM BUM BUMMMMMMM

Cheer up you miserable sod, hopefully it'll be fine and it'll blow over, you won't be moaning if we're in and around the top of the league. If by christmas we're flirting the drop then lets worry. Methinks you're worrying for nothing.

Disappointed at the lack of conspiracy theories on here

PDC confirms Caddis is no longer captain, Alan Mac takes over - FACT

Can't be assed to look through, but what time is the press confrence? I've bbc wilts on and they're yakking on about a heavvy sick pig.  ???

Pah amateur, you forgot the "FACT!"

Don't know what you mean  :hmmm:

...a bid of £48,456 accepted from Torquay for Matt Ritchie.

Flint has been told he can work part-time as a scarecrow until harvest time.

Wow. The only thing that's been confirmed is a change of captain. We don't know why. We don't know what's going on with Caddis. It could all be nothing. Yet this is seen as a disaster which could de-rail our season.

At least wait to hear what Paolo has to say before hitting the panic button and going all Reg on us.

The Twitter meltdown is fantastic, our fans love each other  :crash:

Caddis will either leave, or he won't.

Swindon will either go up, or down. Or neither.

Whatever happens, things still look far more positive immediately pre season than at almost any time in recent memory.

I think I'll wait and see what happens in the first few matches before declaring that the sky is falling in.

Ha, love it

And look where we ended up....

I can remember when interviewed last year Caddis was asked what does promotion mean to you and his reply was £6k. This at the time annoyed me somewhat.

Caddis is obvuously a big part of the team but from what i saw last season he isnt the most vocal of captains only time i saw him being vocal it was usually towards the ref.

The 'hilarious' rumours being peddled in an attempt to wind up the panicking moron section of our fans is more annoying than the panicking morons themselves. It's as funny as the really 'amusing' pictures of John Terry at various awards ceremonies, and AIDS. And it's filling up my timeline.

Think the lack of Olympics has put me in a bad mood.

There was a game last season where I heard McCormack shout 'FOR FUCK SAKE CIBO' can't get more vocal then that.

I am possibly being a bit thick here...but something like ½ an hour after PDC has confirmed that Caddis is no longer Captain, no one at the press conference has asked him why?  Or I've been whooshed.

You must be in a bad mood, winding up idiots is always fun.

I'm going to be brave and venture onto this is.

Just saw this on the 'fans' page on fb and raised a smile 

Had a text from Curley Withers, seems legit. This is one of the more plausible rumours I have heard; Caddis, McCormack, Miller, Roberts, Collins and Foderingham were playing poker; Caddis had run out of chips so instead placing his armband on the table, thus losing. McCormack eventual winner

I'm very much in this frame of mine. It's got beyond annoying now.

Boring bastard

No not been wooshed. They have either been told not to ask, or PDC is still talking, or they are saving it for tomorrows paper.

Yeah, I thought that too.

And those saying Caddis wasn't vocal either have VERY selective vision, or are just kidding themselves to try and rationalise the decision.

Morshead has updated now. All to be explained at 1630 by the Adver. Whether we'll hear anything between now and then remains to be see.

Apparently, the word 'animated' doesn't quite cover it.

Sounds intriguing....and a bit worrying!

Don't see the problem with these made up rumours. Most of the ones I've seen are obviously not true, so what's the issue?

I am feeling rather grumpy, it has to be said...

We'll find out after 4.30 what the reasons are then... Morshead is being a tease.

Impressions of coaches changing gear apparently :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

The Adver should release the recordings Creature Comforts style with a selection of cute clay animals voicing their displeasure.

4:30, that's when Caddis signs for Franchise. Tans told me ;)

Well the next 1 hour & 19 mins are going to be hellish.  I may not cope.

Caddis has found it difficult proforming in front of 2K+ fans week in week out so is going back home but this time to play for Rangers.

Think this one has been my fave "Rumour"

Awaits another scathing attack from DV

I quite liked the Foderingham to Rovers tweet, multiple Rovers fan replied saying they dont need him  :D

Caddis not in the squad tomorrow

According to that shit storm that is the Fan facebook page. Though I can't see anything about it on the adver site

Nothing on the Adver or BBC, so not sure where they got that article from.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/9870927.McCormack_replaces_Caddis_as_Town_skipper/?ref=twtrec

I know this is a bit meltdown-tastic spastic, but if Caddis is dropped or has had a fall-out with Paolo, unless the team performs well, I think the fans would be on his back in a heart beat. And, as a tolerant fan, I would too.

So why isn't he in the squad then?! We've only got shit RB cover.

Felt a repost needed.

Story now removed from Adver website  :sherlock:

So is he off?

It's ok. According to the site that story's not posted untill half 4 on thursday. We've got until then to prepare

Before it disappeared from the adver website:

Got to be on his way if he's not even in the squad I would have thought.

If he is off, it's a bit of a shame it didn't happen sooner. I'm sure we'll land on our feet, just hope there is no detrimental effect on the rest of the lads.

According to the rumours site he's off to ipswich for 800k

Not good news. Let's hope this isn't just the tip of the iceberg.

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Tans?  :)

It's gone a bit Football Manager.

FFS pdc!

Best right side in the league last year destroyed, wonder what the hell happened there

He's been dropped for one game so far. Hardly a dead cert that he'll be out of the door. I'm not overly happy with what seems to be happening, but jumping to the worst case scenario is a little OTT.

We don't know what has caused this.  Any of us.  And all you can do as a fan in a situation like this is to get behind the team, and the Manager.  Season kicks off tomorrow.  We need to be behind the 11 players on the field of play.  (And hope that ex-Captain Caddis' absence from the starting line up isn't permanent.)

I reckon Caddis saying this after the Palace game was the beginning of the end -

'“Percentage-wise the first half against Palace was 80 or 85 per cent but then in the second half we dropped a bit, and that is normal for pre-season because you are just trying to get the feel of things,” he said'

Paolo would never accept less than 100% in any game, pre-season or not.

Town youth player Aaron Oakley just re-tweeted a comment saying Caddis looks like he is off...  :girlgiggle:

If the result goes the wrong way tomorrow despite who we are playing meltdown is gonna get worse. I'm bloody mortified. I looked forward to watching caddis & Ritchie on that side. Talk about self destruct, why oh why.

Bloody hell, are you sure you shouldn't be posting on thisis?!

This story is boring the fuck out of me now.

I propose a mass humming of Always Look on the Bright Side of Life tomorrow.

Mortified?! He's not gone yet. Him and Paolo could have had a man cuddle and put it behind them by the end of the week.

But we don't know what Caddis has done. He could be encouraging the likes of Ritchie and Ferry to leave, or perhaps he handed in a transfer request. Some things you can't just sweep under the carpet.

Hopefully Caddis just, man's up and apologises. Keeps his head down and gets on with things.

It's  been pointed out on twitter that Caddis didn't return to pre-season in the greatest condition, due to becoming a dad over the summer. Would imagine that has something to do with it.

dont worry we did fine last time we sold our captain just before the season...........

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Played Brighton at home first game of that season too...

OS tweeted promising a video at 4.30pm, which has appeared yet. And Sam Morshead's a proper wind-up merchant talking about Paolo's antics then not mentioning them in his article.

Pah, if it wasn't for those pesky kids!!

If there's a problem with Caddis, then he's gotta be moved on. No point in having first team players who aren't happy with the way PDC does things.

I'm sure we can get a decent enough replacement with the dough.

...but hopefully it won't come to that.

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed.

If we lose 2-0 tomorrow then clearly we're doomed.

Ahem, 2-1.  ;)

I can't recall seeing an attacking fullback with his attacking prowess at all in the last few seasons. Actually I remember Jordan Mustoe, at left back, being pretty handy for Wigan, but that's it.

Oh yes, sorry. I tried to erase that game from my memory!

He may be back if he sorts himself out i guess.

Otherwise i remember the year we got relegated amankwaah was picked ahead of him a lot of the time and the year before that Stephen Darby was pretty good at right back, dont know where he ended up.

Come on morshead, where's this article/video?

Isn't that McGlashan fella from Num an attacking RB?

Sure somewhere he was linked to us.

They've now put a "video" up of PDC, which is actually just a still image. Not helpful.

I think Darby has signed for Bradford.

Actually, did Caddis have permission to procreate?

Fuck this. If we lose against a Championship side tomorrow there's gonna be a meltdown? Only by stupid cunts.
We don't know the whole story, but what we should know is that no one fucks with di Canio and gets away with it. And as long as he's the manager, no player is bigger or more important than him.
Now some might find his antics frustrating and a lot will criticise him for this action. As for me, I'll wait and see. We had meltdowns by Paolo last season and look where we ended up......

herthab, the voice of reason

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I do hope this doesn't upset the dressing room though.

If Caddis is in the wrong, we want the players to back PdC rather than Caddis..

Well, well. Just read back through and apologies to Caddis Gleebulls.

Good players and bad players come and go and Caddis, one of our top players should want to progress his career if he's got any ambition about him.

The concern for me is how the situation has arisen and whether PDC has thrown a wobbly because Caddis wishes to move on I don't know, but given the two I would rather have PDC without Caddis and not the other way around. However, IF PDC has thrown a wobbly he needs a word and a word quick about the way he treats players as this can only be bad for the dressing room if it is allowed to continue.

But to be fair, PdC isn't bigger than the club. Trouble is, he acts as if he is

Guess we have to wait until tomo to read the full story anyway

It's the PDC show and you either get on board or you don't but in his first year he's done more for this club than any other manager in the past 25 years.

No he doesn't.

Would be nice if they put up a video that actually fucking works.

He can act anyway he wants as long as we're still successful.

If he feels that somebody has made an error worthy of being stripped of the captaincy, then so be it. Caddis is far from irreplaceable.

FFS - half a story isn't helping is it.  Pissed off this has happened on seasons eve.

Caddis may well be at fault, or may be subject of a Di Canio fuctard moment. Either way I hope the full story comes out so I know who to be pissed off with. Right now I'm just pissed off.

Nice try. I'm going for a 30 page meltdown.

It seems like it would work if I had STFC player. Is it not working?

Well, arguably McMahon was more successful in his first season ;)

Yes Peri, it is working. I just posted that for shits and giggles.  ::)

This. Godawful timing, terrible news and the worst part is that I'm not even sure who to blame. I want to burn a witch of some sort damnit.

I had erased him but I count the JPT final as the trump card.

Well maybe you were being fucking retarded. How should I know.  :no:

The video looks like this on the website.

[url width=320 height=256]http://www.player.swindontownfc.co.uk/javaImages/ee/ca/0,,10341~10996462,00.jpg[/url]

Di Canio has maintained his stance against players lacking in proffesionalism from day one, so if Caddis's standards have slipped he's right to strip him of the captaincy. We cannot have a dressing room akin to the one in Wilson's second full season, with cliques & players holding power, like Douglas and others clearly did. Hopefully this will be a rude awakening for Caddis, he'll get himself back in Di Canio's good books and all will be well...

 :hmmm: Being relegated?

That's a lovely video

Fair enough it can't be like the Wilson days, but there should be a little bit of flexibility. It's nice to have a relaxed dressing room, rather than one with tension 24/7.

£4.49 a month for a video that does not work, top value

Perhaps they're putting it up frame by frame.

I think I pay £6 odd.

We could weigh them against a duck....

I'm hungry.

I reckon somebody's uploaded it wrong and then buggered off for the day.

Two sources in the official site and the adver and we are still fucking clueless, cheers then.

full season...

A bit of text...



PAOLO Di Canio has named Alan McCormack as the new Swindon Town captain ahead of Tuesday's home Capital One Cup first round meeting with Brighton & Hove Albion.


McCormack has replaced Paul Caddis as skipper and the manager explained his reasons behind the move at Monday's pre-match press call.


He said: "Alan McCormack is the new captain. The captain of my squad must be one that has to deliver to the rest of the dressing room my words, my principles, my values, my desire and the way we want to behave like professionals.


"McCormack at the moment is perfect for this. I also have a few like Miller and Navarro but they are new. They have to respect the hierarchy and McCormack proved to me that I can count on him last year so at this moment he is perfect.


"Obviously I have a few others but we will choose time by time if I change the captain."

Nemo and Herthab are causing me to mellow slightly. PDC loved Caddis, so if Caddis is on his way, I can only think something changed with Caddis, but currently no one knows...

Oh well, the season is young, but I can no longer motivate myself to go tomorrow.

I reckon that the transfer rumours website is completely plausible for once.
ie Ipswich have made a bid for Caddis, and Caddis wants to talk to them.
That would hack PDC off, that Caddis would dare to want to leave, and so he has given the captaincy to some one who will not be moving on. There is nothing more to announce though, as Caddis has not moved on yet. Lets hope he talks to Ipswich, decides he would much rather stay under PDC than play for Paul Jewel, and it all blows over .  

Agreed, it's unlikely to ever be like that under Di Canio though. On a different note, it'll be nice to see what Nathan Thompson is about tomorrow, maybe we wont need to buy a new right back IF Caddis goes?

A mate just said he has seen the video and PDC just says that Caddis is too nice to be captain, that is all.

Fucking LULZ. Someone put the fucking panic button away. We're all a bunch of twats. We're going up as fucking Champions.

Then why drop him tomorrow if its a simple as that?

If this is the case, what the fuck is Morshead doing making it out to be a big deal?

And dropped from the squad too then yeah?

Think Macca will be a better captain anyway, Thompson might be ready to step up to the plate and if not we've got money to burn on a new RB, onwards and upwards!

Maybe Cadds didn't react well? Or is just injured?

If a stranger came up to me in a pub and said something completely off the wall then yeah I may have some doubts. If a stranger came up to me and said "Di Canio's fallen out with some Town player' then I'd probably be interested in hearing more.

Di Canio falling out with a player is not on par with buying a ferrari on ebay.

I'll take those suggestions above my over imagination.

Risser can lend a shoulder to cry on. Same thing happened to him last year

And happens more often.

As long as he's manager he is the club. What will cause this to be a major issue is people getting on di Canio's back without even knowing the full facts. That could definitely disrupt things and affect our season.

He's too nice to play against Brighton, PDC wants to really wind Vicente up.

The video is on the OS now.

Just watched it and all I can say is that I'm 90% sure Caddis won't be at Town for much longer. He's been kicked off the bus!

Provided the test of the players aren't on the side of caddis herthab.

A lost dressing room is just as bad as a lost fan base.

And no im not saying pdc has lost the dressing room. That would be stupid even for me.

It's his job to report and sell papers? He has better contacts than most of us and knows more? Bored at work? Any of these.

How?

What makes you say that?

Just watched it. What an utterly bizarre explanation.

I think it just boils down to PdC thinking Macca's the better man for keeping the rest of the squad in line.

The way he was going on on twitter, he made it sound as though it was a Di Canio rant. It wasn't, he was just calmly explaining his decision. Moreshead was making it out to be a much bigger thing. It's not the first time he's done stuff like this either.

PDC talks that he has ignored, or turned a blind eye to Caddis over time and he has shut one eye, then an ear, then another eye and now another ear so it is time for a change before he crashes the coach with the other 23 players on.

I don't know if Caddis will stay or not but I can certainly say it's not as simple as just a change of Captain because he's too soft etc. He talks that he set off in the coach (hes the driver btw) with 24 players but arrives with 23.

The analogy was a tad strange, not sure I quite understood it really.

But yeah, he just thinks Macca is the better captain. (no explanation for why he's not in the squad though)

To be fair I think its sensible giving Caddis a break to get his head together.

Losing the captaincy is bound to hurt, not surprised if his head isn't right just yet.

I'm sure Chris Wise on BBC Wilts just said that Caddis remains very much part of Paolo's plans for the season ahead

It was the way he just said that Caddis would have to get off the metaphorical bus that made me think he might be off.

In short we are doomed. Well if you believe half the crap on twitter today anyway. Its laughable how many people jump the gun and come to conclusions before the facts are known or before we hear what the players and manager have to say.

I don't like that metaphorical bus.

He'll play tomorrow.

Smokescreen to catch brighton on the back foot ;)

Sensationalist reporters don't help though.

That's one weird interview... his analogies have been amusing this last year

So Caddis is our new coach driver then?  ???

It reminded me of the Only Fools sketch with Trigger's dad? and the whip-round on the bus by the passengers.

If Caddis goes I wouldn't mind Jermaine Grandison as a replacment. Doubt he'd cost too much either.

PDC didn't say anything about Caddis getting off the bus. Annoys me that people twist his words to stir things up. To me it sounds perfectly possible that Paolo wants Caddis to get his head straight, re-focus, and then he'll welcome him back into the team.

Or he's just picked up an injury. (A guess)

Something that can change the whole complex of the matter but when omitted, makes it sound more dramatic and helps to sell more papers.

say what

Even the wildest optimist wouldn't think he's just injured.

And I have to say, reading that quote it sounds like he has said he has kicked Caddis off the metaphorical bus. No idea what this means in real terms, other than his attitude isn't right. Did he mean that's why he is stripped of captaincy, or that is why he is not playing or what. Who knows, Cantona and his trawlers made more sense.

R4E has already quoted that part


He was not saying that Caddis was kicked off the bus. He clearly says 'not Paul'.

But



You can read that as a similarly of Caddis this season and the "not Paul" incident last year - i,.e. the situations are the same. It may not be what was meant. But it can be read that way.

Hopefully this will just be a similar situation to Ferry last year that will lead to a more determined Caddis.

I think it's what you get when you have a non-native English speaker that chooses to use analogies instead of plain speech...... nobody is is entirely sure of what he is babbling on about.

Well, what a bloody carve up.  No idea what to make of all that...so I'll crack a few beers and watch us tomorrow, pleased that the football's back on.  Today without sport has been rubbish.


He's not Bosnian is he? :)

Some serious talking clearly needs to take place between Caddis, Di Canio and Jeremy Wray to save this situation. Something along the lines of, 'we'll let you go at the end of the season but you have to buck the fuck up'. They've got to try and resolve this and not just 'chuck him off the bus'. And whilst Di Canio didn't use those specific words in relation to Caddis it's pretty obvious that's what he meant.

I personally think he's as good as gone but I really really hope I'm wrong.

This has pretty much summed up my birthday today haha but doesnt get much worse than my mum deciding its a good idea to buy a fake £30 itunes voucher for £20  :doh: but if Caddis does move on we will need to do serious work on the right side of the field

Never been a fan of wide players or the keeper being captain. You want someone in the middle of the pitch, ideally a central midfielder but a central defender / midfielder is the next best thing.

Ritchie is half the player without caddis....

;)

Sell him and lets move on.

Caddis and co were a pile of shit(on the pitch) before PDC arrived.

He turned an average squad into a good team and Caddis twice the player,....PDC reminds me of Cloughie....if your face dont fit or if you dont like the clubs discipline code then you are history.
This time next season when we are preparing for the Championship.....Mr Caddis will be a fleeting part of the clubs past.

Hopefully Caddis will knuckle down because if he goes he is going to miss one hell of a ride.

I bet he hasn't got the correct metaphorical license to drive it either, it's plain fucking dangerous!

The press conference went on for more than half and hour, the snippet on the OS is only a few minutes.

Sam replied to one of the town fans on twitter saying that the matter is more than resolvable.

Clearly Paolo is saying 'not Paul' and is talking about Clarke? He kicked Clarke out, and saved the 23.
He's saying the same could be done with Paul, but he is hoping for an attitude change from him, and put him back on the bus?

Who's the conductor?
Is there a conductor?

That's exactly how I see it too.

Bloody analogies and metaphors.

I think PDC should be made to do his interviews by multiple choice from now on.

Paul Caddis will remain an important part of the team:

A) Disagree strongly
B) Disagree
C) Agree
D) Agree strongly

E) It is much like when the Rabbit tries to board the bus. He sees the bus, and the bus sees him, but they may not always be best together.

 :D But that would make his interviews like Paul Hart's surely?

I had a lovely rabbit lasagne in Budapest once.  True story.

Of course..... if only to add further clarification.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=509058539107845&set=a.329833053697062.93109.154012821279087&type=1&relevant_count=1

Which one of you did that then?

That was Victoria on twitter.

She seems a good lass.

Strange scenario this one....will be an interesting few days in the lead up to Hartlepool...oh to be a Swindon fan!

p.s-Good luck to Alan McCormack, quality leader whilst Caddis was out injured and I think he will continue to do so now he has the job full time!

You're right there

ok, so teams came and parked the bus at the County Ground last season but this bus is something very different

Our future is now bound with one loner (Paolo Di Canio) who roams the post-apocalyptic wasteland beyond the magic roundabout, up and down the motorways and service stations in search of gasoline so he can... I guess just keep driving. This mad loner seems to be without a soul, or any feeling for his fellow man.

One day he corners an agent (Darren) who tells him about a refining community (West Ham) besieged by a gang of ruthless, savage outlaws of low intelligence (the Pox, led by Eric Read).

Thirsty for the large amount of fuel this community has, Paolo barters his way inside. To his dismay, the community led by Fat Sam has no plans to let him just take the fuel and run. They use him to provide them with a vehicle "big enough to haul that fat tank of gas", and by the climax, Paolo is driving the fuel through a gang of about fifty yellow savages looking to take it for themselves.

Paolo inspires fear and passion in equal measure but when his own men doubt (even the formerly loyal Scot named Caddis) they are ruthlessly abandoned. 

Repeatedly banned by the authorities, Paolo can barely walk, but he knows he's his tribe's only chance as he leads them to break free, for ever, of the horribly mutilated yellow savages with the refining community's precious players, intimidated away, to confront a tribe in dissaray but known menacingly as the monkey hangers

Well that's killed this thread.

If Caddis leaves, I would guess Ritchie would follow closely behind and maybe Ferry as well.

The timing of this is the most disappointing and the drama that's surrounded the announcement.  Depending on the 'true' circumstances, which the rest of the team will surely know, the concern is the effect it will have on the rest of them?

In terms of Caddis, we were shite when he was out injured last season and there is no obvious replacement in the squad who has the same ability.  Anyone who thinks he's easily replaceable are kidding themselves.

FFS we only had another day to get through without any pre season upset!

Off to east stirling

If Caddis goes I can see Ritchie, Ferry, Foderingham, Benson, Navarro and Steve Lomas all leaving.

Agree, also our chances of signing Messi will be completely gone.

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :badmood:

fuck me its turned into a site of drama queens.  Caddis has always looked like a reet miserable  :cunty: I doubt the rest of the squad can even understand a word he says anyway.  
MCCormack will definately make a better leader and no players is bigger than the club so if his hearts not in it then he can do one.  The reason we went donwn last time was not Greer going but the fact that we had no leadership and to many bad apples.  If Caddis has become a rotten braeburn then he is doing precisely the right thing or maybe someones offered that silly money...........hope so as he is very replaceable IMO so anything in excess of 500k would do nicely  :wotjump:

Agree with most of what you said, but not the bit in bold.

Dean Ashton's what we want.

Well today's Adver didn't really shed much more light on things other than Caddis hasn't got the same fitness/attitude as last year. And that training on Sundays have been questioned.

To be honest I can see both sides on the latter. PDCs way is his way and it paid off last year. But equally  if my company asked me to work every day when I had a newborn baby I'd tell them to do one.

Dont read the comments. I just threw my phone against the wall after doing so.

They seem fo think ferry will be next. The aids ridden spunkbuckets.

whilst i agree with PDC's desire and commitment he wants from players i'm unsure if throwing your toys out of the pram in this way is really the right thing to do. it all becomes too public and then (as on thisis) idiots add 2+2 and get 5 with regard to Ferry or whoever else they reckon will be next to leave the club. this then spreads disharmony through STFC etc etc

But then on the flip side if you don't shape up to PDC's way of training, desire & commitment then you may as well not be at STFC. Regardless if we reckon Caddis is a decent player or not. if he doesn't commit then he might as well seek employment elsewhere.

I hope he does show commitment as i think he's a decent player for us and compliments ritchie perfectly.

As for the training on a sunday etc. does anyone know a typical weeks training for STFC?

Just sounds like he's bolloxed from having a young baby and is pissed off with the training. Being a father of two little ones i can understand how caddis may feel and the thought of all those double training sessions would not fill me with joy. If I had the chance to earn more money and have more time at home I would not be best pleased with the current. I sometimes go to work for a rest but it does not sound like Caddis will get this at town with PDC. If im honest I can understand both sides. I just hope the little one gets a bit easier for him and he can enjoy working under PDC again. I do agree with PDC that if he cant apply himself at the moment then he will not be the same player we saw last year, It maybe then best to move him on whilst a good price tag could be achieved. Also I believe that Ritchie also played a lot better with Caddis in the squad so it will be interesting to see how his situation plays out too. If I was ritchie and this situation ended up with caddis leaving I would cash in whilst the iron was hot and get a good deal for myself whether that meant my future lay elsewhere or with the town.

McCormack is in the same boat with a baby and he had been praised and given the armband, if he can get on with it then so can Caddis.

I do see it from both sides but PDC is a training mental, just ask Harry Redknapp.

The most important question right now is, who replaces Caddis. Some one said earlier he was 'easily replaceable', which is blatantly not true.

Will he...

Move McCormack out there and bring in Devera or Flint into AM's position?
Bring Devera straight in to play right back? (I think I would go for this)
Bring Nathan Thompson in to play there?
Do something complete insane which no one would have thought of?

I do agree PDC has to treat everyone the same way. Which he is doing. Whether its the best way long term or not we will have to see, worked last season may or may not work this.



We don't have anyone that can replace him, nor would it be easy to buy someone should it come to it.

I'd also go with Devera, but I don't think its a long term fix. Also I predict Devera will be back in the side as CB by October.

I heard we were signing dvinho from royal mail fc as a replacement

Devera is solid enough but when covering before never overlapped Ritchie or went past the halfway line, not his fault he's just a different player.

Finding a player as good as Caddis is going to be bloody hard. He'll be 500-800k if sold and that's the kind of money we would have to spend to replace him unless we get lucky with a loan.

I'd play Thompson, that's what he's here for.

Me too

And if it comes to getting a replacement, Sido Jombati at Cheltenham. Hopefully it won't come to that.

Has anyone got the FM screenshot?

I think sometimes the club and PDC go about things the wrong way - this could've been kept behind closed doors without the public humiliation and press conference.

Whether we like it or not we have to trust PDC/Wray  – they have done ok so far

With all due respect how the fuck do you work that one out?!? The press conference was called because everyone hit the panick button about Caddis losing his captaincy...

It's wierd but before the press conference every one was bemoaning PDC's lack of man management skills and yet what he has told us (through the press conference) demonstrates to me that he is unwavering in his first principle of commitment and discipline.

The captains role is to reinforce the managers principles with the players and if they are not doing this it undermines the manager and there's no clearer demonstration this than with the relegation team of 2 years ago where the team was totally splintered.

If Caddis wants to works by different rules to everyone else then he shouldn't be captain... End of.

Just my opinion thats all. Could've have been handled a lot better.

I disagree, in my eyes he's here as understudy to try to become a first team regular. To throw him under the spotlight is a bit risky. Not sure its the right time for sink or swim if Wray's promotion push is to happen.

This may be a bit left-field and could actually be based on something I imagined, but I'm sure when at Pompey, Ritchie played a lot at left back. I also believe he was originally a left back. If this is true and not entirely imagined, we could stick Ritchie at right back and move Roberts to the right, and Rooney to the left, or leave Roberts and stick Rooney or De Vita on the right.

While being stupid I may as well continue, I wonder if De Vita could do a job at right back?

PDC had to say something though. Not sure if the "openness" is refreshing or inflammatory myself!

You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

I was just thinking short term... maybe even just for tonight. This could be a good chance to assess him in an actual game against decent opposition.

But not all kids are the same. My mate had to basically knock his baby out and could only give this medication for two weeks to try and get the baby into a sleeping habit as she was waking up about 9 times a night! Then at the other end my other mate had a baby that slept right through from the off and they had to wake it for feeds. Also it depends on the support network around you and how your other half is coping.

On the other hand football is a results business and PDC is making a name for himself within football management so i can see where the friction lies. Caddis has been a very good professional and the only reason I can see he has changed is his head has been turned or the fella is suffering from sleep depreviation.

Im a bit fed up of PDC falling out with players but I cannot argue with his results so i will back him with his decisions as the end result, as promised, has been acheived so far. If he can deliver promotion for us to the championship within the next two years, then I dont really care if this is with or without caddis.

I did say it earlier but we would have been fine if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

Seems I was proved correct.

Kids change everything!

Shouldve worn a jonny

Should have listened to the spice girls "put it on, put it on"

Apart from losing the captaincy and being criticized for his attitude, has anything else been said, anywhere?
He's had a baby, his focus isn't what it was so PdC's taken the armband off him and given him a verbal kick up the arse. Big deal.
Di Canio expects a high level of commitment from all the players, even more I would have thought from his captain.
Until Caddis puts in a transfer request, or Paolo sends him on loan, or the players stage a mutiny against the tyrannical regime, I'm going to take it at face value and not worry.

The thing that concerns me is Caddis was moaning about the training and diet programme, also it seems other players are doing a Leon Clarke and moaning about training and training on Sundays etc etc, I presume that this is what players like Flint and Ritchie are moaning about?

As much as I agree with Paolo's ways.. if I were a player, I think I'd probably curse him between his back with other players. Like "God, we work so hard every day, give us a break, geez". If all the players are in mutual agreement, this is when shit will happen.

They were here last year and know what it's like... they shouldn't be whinging. Also, as far as I'm aware, although they 'train' every day, some days is just massage and stretching, and others just tactical walkthroughs... it's not like they're doing cross country every day.

How long does training even last for? Suck it up!

My view is a bit old fashioned.

If the missis is around then she has to do the nights...end of.

All this getting up bollocks....she can kip in the day when the baby kips or when he gets back from training.

I remember coming home with the wife knackered and she went straight to bed for a few hours whilst I made tea etc etc and I reckon my hours were longer than a footballers.

All this new age method shite.

If he that's bothered he can always give up work for a year to give his missus a hand.....of course most people can't (probably Caddis included).

My opinion hasn't changed from yesterday morning before the situation being explained to us fans. The player has not met the standards Di Canio expects and can turn it around if he wants. Whether he wants to is the issue.  If it's something that is or will spread to other players(if Richie and Flint and moaning then it already has)is another concern.
I was told last season that Caddis wasn't entirely happy here and there was friction with the boss. I thought the success may have changed that but guess it was still there.
I think caddis will move on if i were asked to have a bet on it.

Players are on a hiding to nothing if they question Di Canio. He is extreme but he won the league and fans adore him so will side with him. The board have let him do what he likes so far and can't see that changing unless there is some kind of player revolt. That is possible of course but i think unlikely unless results don't go our way. Time will tell.

Thompson should get a run of games now,he is a right back by trade and if he aint ready as a 3rd year pro then he shouldn't be here.

Its the period last year when Caddis was out injured that bothers me.  Ritchie wasnt half the player without him.

Had he given himself a hand he wouldn't be in this situation.

What baldy said.

Nobody knows (or do they?) what Caddis' domestic situation is. For example, is his wife/partner still in Scotland, or did they relocate to Swindon area? Maybe this is a source of friction.

I was going to say something else, but work has distracted me.....bastards.....

All true.  And when you add in the crushing fatigue that most new parents feel in the early weeks & months, it's not hard to see how this kicked off.

The lack of sleep wipes you out for days at a time.  Disorientation, dizzyness.  What day is it?  I have enormous sympathy with Caddis.  I simply don't believe that his underlying commitment can have waned over the summer, or that he's lost his way.  He's just shagged.  And he probably snapped, as anyone would, when challenged about his commitment the morning after a night of interrupted sleep.

That said, we're not going to be awarded a 1-0 headstart in games because our right back is tired.  PDC needs everyone of his players to be at the top of their game.  How do you resolve that?  Not sure to be honest.  A nanny, perhaps.  And a hand on the shoulder, some encouragement, a small concession to make the player understand he's valued along with some unvarnished truth about players needing to be at their best.  It's all about compromise...a commodity that PDC is going to have to learn if he wants to climb the leagues, be it with us or anyone else.  This rigid 'comply with my regime or leave' approach will work, most of the time, in the lower leagues.  Higher up, such a blunt approach will not work.

I'm sure the season starting on a Tuesday, with a League Cup game, doesn't help either...but I'm not really getting my usual revved up start-the-season feeling this morning.

I dont have kids and therefore may be barking up totally the wrong tree but .... Is it possible his wife may be having difficulty in coping which is causing Caddis problem and worries at home.  I just hope all avenues were investigated prior to the captaincy decision been taken. 

This thread has turned all Dear fucking Deirdre!

Did Caddis take his kid to Italy with him then?

I would guess not.

Was a rhetorical question, of course.

If Caddis was knuckling down and showing the right attitude in Italy then he may have a point. I get the impression this is not the case.

To be fair though, he was out injured. And from his interviews, it seemed like he was working real hard to get to the same level of fitness as the other guys. Strange.

Fucking hell. Sympathy for Caddis because he's got a baby? He's a professional footballer, hardly pulling a 60 hour week, is he?
Even when they've got double sessions they're not at the club dawn to dusk.
Boo fucking hoo.

Fucking hell when my mrs had our baby I was back at work the next day!!!

I see thisis is going into meltdown, now would be the perfect time to have a good old fashioned holocaust on there

Both our two made me a zomby for the first two or three months. I bow to you supermen who slept through.

One of our sproggs never slept at night, and I felt terrible at work. If his kid's a night bawler then I have some sympathy with him!

So Caddis's kid was keeping him up when he was in Italy? Must have one set of lungs on him.

I had twins.

Thats is all.

Clearly the kid thing is only part of the issue BR, as you well know.

So what else is it then?

They don't want to train Sundays? Tough titty

I don't think Di Canio's mentioned any specific time frames has he? The players have been back from Italy for a good few weeks now. It could be that problems have arisen/escalated in those weeks.

Who's read Digby's interview on washbag where he talks about Macari's regime. He says that Macari was even tougher than PDC is and pushed the players harder. Are people going to say that Macari was in the wrong?

The article mentioned attitude, behaviour, and questioning diet and training regime. But not the baby,.

So why do people keep on using the baby excuse then?

I don't think so.  That's too black & white.  But maybe there needs to be an element of accommodation, especially where the player involved is as pivotal to the side as Paul Caddis.  Cutting some slack, within reason, in exchange for encouraging the player's greater loyalty in the longer term.  The current approach feels a bit 'all or nothing' to me...too naive & simplistic.

It was mentioned somewhere along the line.

People are mentioning it because it could easily explain the drop in Caddis levels, mainly because I don't think many would want him to leave. I personally think there is more to it than just baby induced tiredness.

Its such a shame, but nobody has come back from fucking PDC off. Hope this is a first.


Indeed, my worry is keep pushing something an it will eventuality break.

But maybe PDCs way will be proven to be the best way. Just going to sit back and see really.

Gotta love football fans...... they always know best.

Even better than the manager that has won a league championship, beaten higher league opposition and taken the team to a Wembley final in just one season. You're doing it all wrong Paolo, you're supposed to be nicer.

Ferry did. As did those involved in 'Boozegate'.

Good points well made. Didn't think that through.

It's because managers who don't show a willingness to change their methods tend to come unstuck. In any discipline.

We've already seen the effect Di Canios methods have had on our bank balances. Combined with the fact that human beings can only be pushed so far, least of all ego driven footballers, gives a decent enough cause for conversation on the relative benefits of an unwavering iron fist management style.

Like I said.

Football fans always know best  ;)

I think the most amusing thing about all this is the way everyone assumes that conversations between PDC and Caddis resemble the headlines that the Adver have plucked out of the air. "Change your ways or leave this club" is the headline of one article - a lin that Paolo doesn't have appeared to have said anywhere near as bluntly in his interview, and is even less likely to have said to Caddis himself.

For all we know, they might have had a nice sit down and chat, where Paolo's told Caddis what he's unhappy with, and what changes he expects to see, and Caddis has gone off feeling a bit miffed yet considering how he can put things right.

But I suppose it's much more fun to assume they've had a big bust up that's going to tear the squad apart, derail our season, and require multi-million pound investment to put right.

I've tried to write word for word PDC when he was on SSN just now...

"I know Paul Caddis, the advantage he has is I know what he can give to me, how he was last year. You have to change.

I can't imagine that I call 6 times and when I call one time on my players because he went out already three times, so six times I call him in 35 days to ask why? Why you did that, why you did that, why you want to do this, why you dont go in the same way as last year.

I didnt recieve any clear answer and the situation getting worse."

For anyone who'd like to watch the full interview: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19254124#asset

Hope that helps!  :smugfu:

I don't know how the interviewer isn't crying with laughter.

Don't know if this has already been mentioned but is Caddis the only footballer ever to become a father?

Yes, it's tiring and upsets routines but how about all the other players who have had children - do they all fall apart as well?

Get a grip, Jock

Is it wrong that I found that interview absolutely hilarious?

I did too. Also I have no idea what he was going on about.

Caddis needs to sort his woman out, she should be looking after the kid, leaving him to concentrate on his footy  ;)

This is what I meant on my post.....

Something we could all take on-board.

Indeed, far too much touchy feely among lads of today....get a bird and half of them give up going to football, or even podting on the TEF.  Get a sprog and they think they've got to be feeding the thing with bottles and changing its shitty nappies.

Don't think Ferguson has changed in his approach, nor did Clough or countless other football managers. No one was on here at the end of last season slagging di Canio off regarding is methods because they worked.
At the end of this season, if it's successful, will anyone really care who our captain was, or whether PdC ruffled a few feathers?

Ferguson backed down when Rooney was wanting a new contract, in a way he'd never done before .No-one has held ferguson to ransom like that before, but he allowed it because he knew how crucial Rooney was to his side that season. Clough may have been more straightforward (I doubt he was, but he was before my time so can't say), but football itself was more straightforward back then.

Paolos methods worked last season, because none of those he fell out with were crucial to the team. Kerrouche had scored goals, but off the top of my head none were 'match winners'. Interestingly, when he did pick out the key players we put in two of our worst performances of the season.

Boozegate?

That was at the end of the season and, as said above, the reprecussions of that saw us lose both games.

Here's a thought and I know it may be a little crazy but......

Maybe, just maybe, Paolo's methods worked last season because he's actually quite good at his job and knows what he's doing?

But then, of course, the fans will always know better.

No-one is saying the fans know better, and I'm not quite sure why you keep harping back to that statement.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't profess to know any more about Management than Di Canio, and he has been very successfull so far. But to suggest last season was without its faults is a flat out lie, and I think a healthy, balanced discussion (which admittedly hasn't always been forthcoming by everyone in this thread) is of more use than blindly fawning over the man.

 :popcorn:

I read that (quite aptly) as fawnicating...  :nod:

Perhaps it has evaded you that we are doing very, very very well at the moment? There's nothing blind about it, it's a results based 'fawning'. Some of us are just fucking happy to be enjoying the good football and the success it is bringing, what the fuck is wrong with that?

Nobody has said last season was perfect so that lie hasn't even been told.

And I keep on 'harping back to the statement' about the fans knowing best because some are clearly suggesting that it would be best of he wasn't so hard on the payers. For all we know, him softening up on them may have a detrimental effect.

Do you think we would be as successful if the players weren't pushed as hard as they are?

Of course there was faults and mistakes, even di Canios admitted that. But we got promoted. As champions. Maybe di Canio is cleverer than we think and is well aware of the reaction he'll get from his players? As for fawning over a bloke that gave me one of the best seasons I've had supporting the Town, too fucking right.

Di Canio has instilled something in this team that we haven't had for years - a bit of hard work and passion. We all know the players worked incredibly hard last year, and were rewarded with success, and improved contracts.

If they don't want this, then they can go play for a manager like Danny Wilson, have Sundays off and underachieve.

No ifs, no buts, all players are equal. Shape up or ship out. If the methods weren't working, then I can understand his ethics being questioned, but so far, they're working very well indeed. These guys aren't working 50+ hours a week. They only train for a few hours a day, and they get paid very well for it.

No player is bigger than the team.

Some people seem to be making the assumption that because it's not the way they would like things to be done, then it must be the wrong way to do things.

The results clearly suggest otherwise.

As long as Paolo has the support of the board and the dressing room, then I dont really see the problem.

A lot of teams have second season syndrome (danny wilson), the players get used to the manegers methods and knwo when to push it / relax more. I see this as paolo keeping the standard high, just like how he started last season.

I suspect caddis will still be a swindon player come the end of the transfer window, you can tell PdC doesn't want to lose him

I love Cadds the player but if his attitude isn't right then hope this is just the kick up the arse he needs.

Best right back since Kerslake so no way he is easily replaceable. It took us 20 years last time. Would be massively disappointed if he went but totally agree that Paolo has to stick to his principles. Principles which on the whole were successful last season.

and you always vehemently defend every single thing that PDC does and says on the strength of one season which by his own admission he got it wrong to start with and might I add a season in which he was backed by the board like arguably no manager has in the history of this club. I hesitate to say I could have got promotion last year..but I could of :D

The corollary to all that is that we suspend all judgement and comment on the Manager until we're shit again...which is equally bollocks.  It would be a pretty dull forum if everyone agreed on things like this anyway.  And where would the 80% bollocks come from?

I'm starting to get bored of this anyway.  Maybe Paolo and PC could settle this in the centre circle at half time?

That's bollocks YEO

I've not once defended his transfer fuck-ups and have openly expressed concern about the finances involved. I just happen to think he may be right on this.

It's a shame your impressive managerial talent isn't being put to good use in the upper leagues.

Or is it that this management lark is easy, as long as you have enough cash to spend, there's no need to work on things like tactics, training, scouting the opposition, squad selection...

It's bad enough when other teams supporters spout this utter crap without Town fans joining in.

Yeo never talks crap-he's a tease!

Came into this thread very late and having just watched the interview just get the impression that Di Canio got well pi**ed off with Caddis's attitude pre-season so made the change to alleviate any further dissention in the squad. Got to say that having seen only two of the friendlies (Supermarine and Palace) that Caddis was not looking the part, as he was not making the runs of last season to back up Richie but obviously could not tell if that was lack of fitness or something else - look as if it might have been "something else". As said elsewhere  if he is on his bike to pastures new, and I am not certain that will be the case, then to replace him with someone of the same standard will not be easy.

Fair enough,just feels a bit like anytime anyone voices any dissent you're there shaking your Poms Poms.

Who told you about my pom poms? Was it saxondale?

Is Caddis at the ground tonight? Be interesting to see if he is. If he isn't I would say he's off.

Well credit where its due,he's proving the doubters wrong again :D

Lend us your Pom poms

Who's he playing for then ?  We are away on Saturday !!

If i'd meant Saturday's game i'd have typed it but I typed Saturday games can you spot the difference

His car was, so I assume he was too. Also PDC said his door was a little bit more open for Caddis than it was yesterday..but it depends (presumably on how he reacts).

Benson when asked said he hoped that Caddis would remain part of the team and that he was immense last season both on and off the field.

rumour (not on radio): A member of staff said that Caddis represented the players questioning the meals, but everyone else backed down when questioned and hung him out to dry. And he is now training with the yoofs.

Rubbish rumour really. Was expecting more.

I deny touching your pom poms.  Or was I that drunk?

Fucking hell - chill your bones sunshine !!

You know who your mates are when they need to step up to the plate and back you up....

Was going to point out it was just something someone heard, then I thought about my mates and can quite believe it!

Back on subject it seems more positive than it did a couple of days ago PDC seemed more upbeat and I agree that it was important that Caddis was there.  I also think that PDC will listen to the comments from Benson and hopefully others and decide like the boozegate situation that its time to move on

Caddis was at the game.

I saw him.

Thats all I have to add.

I hope it can all be resolved as Swindon are better with him. Last nights result should hav put DiCanio in a good mood.  Mind u if it's the baby making him tired, that don't go away quickly. I'm regularly up at 6 with my kids and I'm no morning person either.

I wonder if that's who Paolo was gesturing to? In a sort of "c'mon get your arse back out there" kind of way.

I had exactly the same thoughts, I didn't see that until I got home and looked at the goals again.

I saw PDC doing this and I don't think it wasn't in the direction of where Caddis was sat...

So what you mean is it was in the direction of where Caddis was sat?! :)

the commentator on sky made it sound like it was aimed at JW -

the gesture was kind of  saying 'stop talking i know what i'm doing' - so in my opinion aimed at caddis

I saw on twitter someone thought it was aimed at JW.
Who apparently pissed himself laughing. So I don't think there's anything in this.


Or if it was at Caddis does Simeon have a panic button lying around?

I thought it was aimed at the fans

I was sitting right behind the dugout, a couple of rows in front of the vip seats, and Paolo was definitely looking at someone just above my head, so it being aimed at JW sounds about right to me

Dennis Wise and the bloke from sky were sat in front of Wray.  Wise was bigging up Brighton during the half time interview and so it may have been aimed at the little scrote.

He was very biased. He said how they were completely in control, which I disagreed with. We were easily the better to start with, and the rest I felt was slightly more in their favour.

We played the tidier football and I was surprised at how hoofy they were from what I'd heard about them.

[He was very biased. He said how they were completely in control]
The whole commentary was biased, even at 70 odd minutes, when we were 3-0 up, all they could go on about was how fantastic their foreign players were and how it was not too late for Brighton to make a comeback.  Twats.

They never said that at all at 3-0, in fact they actually said that is Swindon through to the next round when the third goal went in.

I thought as soon as we scored the commentators were very pro Swindon. They said the goal completely changed the game, Swindon in complete control, even though to me I thought it was still fairly even.

Pretty sure paolo won't have been watching the half-time analysis on Sky

Dennis Wise is a cock, should have been refused entry into the ground, the little poison dwarf.

Absolutely. I didn't think the commentary was in anyway biased. Just Wise's half time rimming of "Gussy" and his team. I recall the commentators saying it was over before we scored the second, or perhaps just after, such was our ability to attack and defend. (But then that's to be expected seeing as Brighton didn't really want to take part in a "tinpot trophy" anyway...)

Yes you are correct, please accept my apologies, I got my timings wrong.  My opinion still stands though, I thought the commentator was biased towards Brighton even after we were 3-0 up.


Who knows?  I just offered a suggestion as to who he could have been gesturing at.

Just my opinion folks.  :bye: :zipped:

Paolo will decide tomorrow whether or not Caddis is in the squad for Hartlepool. Gary Roberts will travel.

If he wants to keep Caddis, he can't afford to let the situation fester for long.  Paolo has laid down the law and established who's boss.  Time for a handshake now.  Let's move on.

Wise was arse-licking Wayne Bridge who I thought looked very poor.

Absolutely. I had feared the worst initially but beneath the theatrics and arm waving, Di Canio's too shrewd to cut off his nose to spite his face. This is no Leon Clarke or Medi Kerrouche type situation. Caddis is a vital part of the squad and everyone knows that. Caddis has had his wrists slapped in public and that will have been a bit humiliating for him but hopefully he can see the bigger picture*, swallow his pride* and we can all move on.*

*With thanks to Rent-A-Cliche INC.

Well, we'll all know which the wind is blowing after tomorrow.

On the coach = staying

Not on the coach = bye bye

Not sure about that, he had Ritchie in his pocket for long periods, or was Ritchie just sulking?  WB has been injured and this was only his second game back I understand - but the Town End didn't miss a trick with the "only one John Terry" chant, one that he'll probably have to get used to and quickly!!

I expect they'll travel today and stay over night.

Now, I might be going out on a whim here, but at 13:00 ish, I saw Caddis drive his Range Rover into the County Ground carpark and around the back.

I could be wide of the mark, but I suspect they left not long after that, so I think all is well once again. Either that or he was picking up his cheque after agreeing to mutual cancellation.

Have you ever tried that mutual cancellation?

I hear it's quite popular

Transfer request ;)

Sure he hasn't heard that one before. Bridge conducted himself very well throughout all that. Terry is a complete loser, and I'd struggle to his name even if it was for a joke.

I thought Bridge was absolute shite the other night

I don't remember him having any influence on the game. Think that says it all...

I either have a bad memory, or he did nothing.

I cringed at the "One John Terry" chants. I'm not above witless antagonising of opposition players but that was, well, crap.

Did I hear "Just a Town full of faggots" too? Oh the football terraces eh.

I was listening in the lorry on 5 live in Newcastle.....You couldn't pull in a gay bar tickled me,especially it being just as we went two up.

I await the days of satirical chants being sung by the townend, changing on a week by week basis depending on current affairs. It would be like Have I Got News For You in song.

And 'does your boyfriend know you're here'.  Just the usual ones.

I would be surprised if they travelled today, it's only Thursday. They will travel up tomorrow I would have thought.

It is true though. Apparently, some gay people do actually live in Brighton ???

It's only banter for fuck's sake.

The stoke forums are calling us half wit country bumpkins. Oh, the horror, the travesty, the insult.

I can't read and I can't write but that don't really matter,
Coz I come down from Swindon Town and I can drive a tractor.

ooh-arr.

We should all turn up in straw hats, chewing on a bit of straw.

Yeah, and Stoke is the centre of sophistication.

Stopped off there for a curry on the way back from Bolton and some twat put me car window through.

Fucking chilly drive home

Not at all. Just very, very boring.

Fuck. How did I get that wrong?! :) He's obviously being paid off then.

Listening to Caddis this morning on the radio I am not too hopeful of this being resolved very soon.  Apparently a team meeting ws called and they were all informed that the skipper's armband was moving on, and that was the first Caddis had heard of it.  He was also unaware that the Adver were going to make a front page splash and he is extremely embarrased by it all.

With the little we know I have a fair bit of sympathy with Caddis on this.

If Paolo felt he wasn't up to it then that's his judgement. But what was the aim here, to move the captaincy to a better suited player. Or to humiliate Caddis and flex his muscles in a "my way or the highway" manner.

Very disappointing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19293570

Think this says it all.

The Caddis story was front page? Jesus

A small ray of hope, possibly in the last two lines:

'Me and the gaffer had a disagreement but is not the end of the world. We are grown men and we respect each other.

Things have been said, actions have been taken and it's time to move on.'

My sympathy with Cads has grown even further with that.  I just don't understand why Paolo had to take this public in the way he did.  But what's done is done.  Fingers crossed that there can be some sort of reconciliation.  (And fingers crossed Paolo starts to learn that he doesn't have to air all of his niggles and disagreements through the local press.)

This 'my way or the highway' stuff with Paolo is all very nice and well in leagues 1 and 2 where he is the big cheese and the players are on relatively modest sums of money. 

I wonder how it will go down with players in the Championship or certainly the premier league when Paolo reaches that level....

Seems quite embarassing for Caddis... I'm not sure he agrees with it at all, and going on record like this might not do his Swindon career any good. I think after this interview he might be off.

I think the ball is now in PDC's court, to be fair.  Apology would probably be too strong, but he needs to recognise that Caddis deserved a little more in the way of respect than to have all of these insinuations about his commitment trailed in the newspapers.  He was instrumental in our promotion last season.  Deserved better than this.

More to the point, Paolo needs Caddis back in the side.  He'd be a fool if he didn't recognise that.

Hopefully JW will have a little word in Paolo's ear and tell him to sort the situation out.

Must admit Caddis sounds pretty hurt by how things were handled, really hoping he is on that coach north today.  If not I fear the end is nigh for his career with us

At one stage I thought it sounded terminal, but there was a glimmer of hope - I just hope he had the club's permission for that interview or I fear for the relationship with BBC Wilts and PDC as well!!

Of course, the last few words of that interview can be taken different ways

'it's time to move on'

Di canio is a fitness fanatic. Clearly if for whatever reason a player is not in the condition he expects then that's it for them. We've seen players ousted as they question the amount of training or do not meet the requirements. Caddis it would appear is getting another chance. Man management isn't a strong point for the boss though is it.

"Things have been said, actions have been taken and it's time to move on."

he has just got to knuckle down and fight for his place

The type of person who throws in the towel or gives up when the going gets tough, is not someone Di Canio could work with.

If Caddis comes back from this Di Canio will respect him more and it shows Caddis is a mentally strong and determined person who is worthy of playing.

If he doesn't he's a far weaker man than any of us thought and would vindicate Di Canio's decision.

Fuck that. The truth of what happened probably lies in the middle of PDC and Caddis's description of events, but I wouldn't begrudge Caddis if he was on the blower to his agent to get another deal somewhere else

You'd be too weak for Paolo too then Dave.

Not being an employed individual of Swindon Town Football Club, that doesn't concern me too greatly.

I would. He's not a Clarke or Kerrouche. I believe Caddis to be made of sterner stuff. If he asks for a transfer he's, quite frankly, a weaker person than I thought and was right to be stripped of the armband.

I actually don't for one moment think Caddis is about to strop off and request a move. I just don't believe that's who he is should it get a bit tough. He was a great captain and will stand up and show the steal we would expect from him.

Spot on Baz. Hope you're right and we're all laughing about the whole episode come the end of the season.

Clarke and Kerrouche were here for 5 minutes, couldn't be bothered through laziness and were binned.

Caddis played over 50 times, captaining the side to the title. He came back unfit because he had a child the week before returning for pre-season and, judging by the bbc article, has shown he is willing to get back to the fitness required.

You can't really compare the two cases, which makes it all the more dissapointing PDC has treated him this way imo

I think Caddis needs STFC more than STFC needs Caddis.

He has improved loads under Di Canio after a poor first season here.

If he wants to go to a Championship now to sit on the bench and be a reserve playing less than 17 times in 2 years before going on loan to Dunfermline then that's his choice.

If he goes we will go out and get another right back - bet there are a few out there that would love to come join the Di Canio circus and all that goes with it.

I also don't see why people think Di Canio's methods won't work at higher levels. Sure he'll piss a few players off (like he does now anyway) but will still have the most dedicated, fittest, hard working and determined side in any division which will win you more games than a lazy, egocentric, show boating luxury player ever will...

Point taken DV but the issue is Caddis, and the notion of a "lazy, egocentric, show boating luxury player " does not apply.

The differene higher up the leagues is that the club will have forked millions for a player which then falls out with PdC and his worth drops.

At Swindon the hits the club have taken on PdC's incoming and then outgoing players isn't quite so pronounced

True but that was in the context of the bigger egos Di Canio would encounter the higher he made it up the football pyramid rather than having any relation to the whole Caddis thing.

Its also weird that for the first time in god knows how many years I think our better players would be a lot better off staying here than moving onto pastures new.

Well said. Hopefully he can drive his point and get fit enough to play.

I can't help but think we're both sort of missing each others points, as I think we're fundamentally on the same side.

My point, if it is one, is Caddis doesn't strike me as the quitting sort and I doubt he'd be seeking out over this disagreement.

Ummm yes it is, it's all relative. Ask Jezz if we've taken a hit.

Have to disagree with dv regarding who needs who most. Caddis would get another club easily and would play there. Replacing him with a player of the same quality wouldn't be as easy for us. I'm sure Di Canio knows this hence why he's leaving the door open for Caddis to get back in the fold.

What is at Di Canio's disposal at right back aint anywhere near the quality of Caddis. We need him back and asap

Yeah and then ask him if he's happy with the results...

I'm sure Caddis would get another club but would he be as good without the Di Canio/STFC machine behind him?

I don't think so but just an opinion.

This is true and let's not forget that Caddis was captain when, by his own admission, he arrived at pre season out of condition. I would imagine that PdC was seriously pissed off about that and if he felt that Cad's attitude was not good throughout pre season he is absolutely right to take the captaincy away. Whether the reasons should have gone quite so public is another matter, but maybe this is just a public kick up the arse from PdC not just to Caddis but to the rest of the squad. I hope we can all now get on with winning this league.

You could argue that di Canio's man management skills have been very effective in getting the best from his players; what happened after Clarke last season? Remind me of the result against Brighton Tuesday. Man managent isn't always about being 'nice'.

No doubt it worked last year, and indeed Danny Wilson was "nice".

I'll reserve judgement on whether constantly airing your dirty washing in public works long term though.

I'm sure Caddis would get another club quite easily - but could he get another club where he could be an important first team member with prospects as good as Swindon's? I'm not so sure.

Also, when we needed a left back, we signed McEveley. As far as I'm concerned, McEveley is a far more complete full-back than Caddis. Much better in defence, and not far off as good going forward.

just shows that these quality players are out there.

so did he get on the bus or not ?

Would have thought if he had it would have been reported by now

so my guess is no

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19293570

Has that been mentioned?  Not keeping up with this really.  Caddis's side.  Doesn't sound like he's leaving to me.

Interesting to read people's opinions as to whether Paolo should have made this public.

The problem is he was asked directly his reasons for the switch of captaincy & he gave his opinion.
The thing with Paolo is that he always appears to answer these questions honestly, and that is something that on the whole we all applaud.

Had he have come out & said I don't want to discuss it the speculation would probably have been even worse.

The opposite of that is equally likely.

That is, of course, true but again

my guess is no

Hmm, yes and no.  It's fair enough if a conversation with Caddis had taken place around all the reasons that have since been stated,  but from the article it seems as if some of the stuff said came as a bit of a shock.

I don't know why Di Canio felt the need to make comments about the baby situation and can understand Caddis being disappointted that his family have been dragged into it.  Questioning his attitude and fitness publicly would have been adequate imo.

It sounds a bit like the ball is in Di Canio's court.  Hopefully if Caddis does enough to rectifiy the concerns raised, Di Canio will reward that with a place in the team.  If it drags on for too long, Caddis will start attracting interest from other clubs.

It's also interesting that Joe Devera was picked over Nathan Thompson on Tuesday.  It does beg the question as to why Nathan Thompson was offered a new contract if Di Canio doesn't think he's good enough to start in a Carling Cup Match?

Typically over the top and confusing interview with DiCanio on Caddis...what is he going on about....Caddis is a good defender but once DiCanio marks your card the future seems limited. He can be repalced certainly and hopefully we might get some cash for him?

A match against a team from a higher division with a strong left wing. If we were playing Accrington you'd have a fair point, but I don't think Devera being favoured on this occassion suggests Thompson has no worth to the squad.

I'd like to know the replacements you have in mind, because I can't think of a single replacement of Caddis's calibre.

I would also hope we'd get a bucket load of cash.

So has he travelled?  He's the only bastarding footballer who doesn't 'tweet' every 5 mins to tell the world he's thinking about scratching his arse.

BBC Wiltshire ‏@BBCWiltshire
@BBCWiltshire understands that Paul Caddis has been left out of the @Official_STFC squad for Saturday's game at Hartlepool. #Swindon #STFC

Big shame.  Even to have him on the bench would have been a good sign.

Ffs

Gonner

PDC doesn't think he's fit enough. Devera played well on Tuesday and we looked solid at the back. We also scored 3 goals against Championship opposition.....You can understand why Caddis may still be left out. (I'm not saying its the right thing)

We're doomed!!

Everyones heard of the saying ..... 'no ones bigger than the club'

How close is PDC to being bigger than the club?

That question may well make no sense but i've been sat in the sun drinking for too long so ha!  

God this is dragging, Di Canio can be a pain some times. I know he expects a certain level but Caddis seems to be a good pro and I dont think we can replace him easily if he goes.

He's signing for arsenal?

Something needs to happen there to get fatbury to come away from the noose ;)

Dissapointing to see he's been left out, but in the short term it's not the end of the world. Devera & Thompson are very capable of stepping and doing a job for a few games, whether either would have the quality to replace Caddis over a full season is the question. (If he were to leave) - I'd suspect the answer is no, and we'd have to look at trying to bring in a fullback of similar quality & experience to Jay McEveley, but a right footed version, obviously.

I really dont see any way back for Caddis now especially after talking to the BBC about it. If this was Risser we were talking about I bet the thread would barely be on the second page but because Cads is such a fans favourite and a good player then it is easy to let that overtake the fact that PDC has issues with his fitness and attitude.

Firstly, never change a winning team unless you have to.

Secondly, if the main issue here is fitness and Caddis wasnt fit enough on Tuesday he isnt going to be fit enough by tomorrow.

Paul Caddis is at this time still a Swindon player, and there has been zero indication from player or club that he could be leaving - quite the opposite in fact.

We have yet to play a single league game, and won our only competetive fixture 3-0 against a side from the division above.

Chill, Winston.

But Di Canio does change a winning team we know that

Unfortunetly I can only see a parting of the ways, it does sound that Caddis is dissapointed his new born baby was brought into question and then the questions over coping must hurt.

I really hope they can bury the hatchet and agree to disagree for the good of the team but will Caddis be happy playing under Paolo knowing what he has said about him....we should know by next weekend I expect, a week is a long time in football...

We are playing Tuesday so guess we might know more by then or even in pdc's post match comments after the game tomorrow.

I wish they'd get in a room behind closed doors and sort it out, and both stop talking to the press.

The baby thing is what causes the concern for me, and might be what drives an unresolvable wedge between the two of them. I don't think Caddis is too impressed with that aspect of his private life a) being blamed, and b) being discussed in public.

As he says, family comes first. And rightly so.

I would have liked him to travel (for team morale), even if he wasn't in the squad. Who knows, perhaps he was invited but decided to stay behind. I guess PDC would lose face if Caddis suddenly became match fit in 3 days so there was no chance of him playing tomorrow.

But in the BBC interview he blames wanting to stay in with his kid as the reason he didn't go running and so was out of shape. If that is true then it's a bit rich to now say he wasn't happy with his baby being given as a reason. He may not have wanted it to be public but then he's expecting PdC to make up reasons to the press when asked why he wasn't captain. Caddis should know more than any of us that PdC is not going to do that.

I like Caddis and think we need him but I also see that as Captain he needs to set the example to the rest of the squad. If PdC doesn't think he is then he can't complain about not being captain. Same happened to Risser and he is still here so if Caddis reacts positively this will blow over. If not, cheerio.

On the interview Caddis feels harshly done by and makes reference that he has led his life the correct way and dedicated himself to football as being his life, doesn't drink or go out at all. He then does contradict himself after saying his life has been dedicated to football that now his girlfriend and baby come first.

I sense he feels after all the fuss around the Aldershot game last year and players going out on the piss, that having not been one to do that, he is now copping it for not being in the best condition in pre-season. Worryingly was a comment when asked if he would be captain again, he said not under the current manager. Not a sign that it's all resolved yet.

You can see both sides of the arguement but Paolo sets incredibly high standards and when players drop those he takes action and doesn't just let things go. Maybe a manager like Danny Wilson would be happy to let Caddis have it easy but once you do that for one then the others know you are a soft touch.

On another post I mentioned Olympic athletes and the likes of Bradley Wiggins being in training camps for weeks away from his wife and kids. Could you imagine Bradley saying to David Brailsford at Team Sky, I still want to be the top man on Team Sky but I am not in the shape I was on last years Tour but, because I won it, let me keep my place ahead of the others?

I don't know whether we know the truth about his fitness or not. Wasn't he still injured at the beginning of pre-season, or did I dream it.

I don't think anyone would complain if he's been dropped for not being fit. But you won't convince me the way this has been handled had been professional. Sorry Paolo, but that's how its come across.

Yep....but you gotta earn a wage to keep them,so that is the dilemma i would say.

Which he will do easily somewhere else, unfortunately. Got to smooth things over hopefully

This situation does not sit well with me at all. How can Caddis go from being such a model professional (which is how he was described to us by Di Canio himself) to being in a position where his standards have supposedly slipped so far that it warrants him being stripped of the Captaincy?? Really??

To me, stripping someone of the Captaincy is a pretty extreme measure and a possibly a last resort - the result of consistantly poor and unacceptable behaviour. I just can't imagine this of Caddis, Others maybe, but not him. I know none of us know exactly what has gone on behind the scenes in this situation but I can't help but side with the player on this.

That aside, regardless of what has happened, if Di Canio was really that unhappy with Caddis then he should have dealt with in house. Caddis has been embarassed publicly and no one deserves that. Even those of us who unwaveringly back Di Canio no matter what, must accept that this was not great management (and don't get me wrong, on the whole I have been very supportive of PDC)

Di Canio seems to live in a world of extremes where everything is black and white. Life as we know, is rarely like that. Sam Allardyce once said that 80% of being a Manager is man management and I think he's right. Di Canio has a massive amount of ability as a manager and it goes without saying that his passion is second to none. His man management skills though, in the long term, are a source of some concern to me.

Edit: Just seen Caddis hasn't travelled with the squad. Not good. If he ends up going, I'm going to take a lot of convincing that Di Canio was right.

Excellent post by OST, which I totally agree with.

However he's not just been stripped of the captaincy, he's been completely dropped, which is even more extreme and makes me thing he may have no future here.

For me this whole saga has tainted the excitement of the new season, which is a real shame.

It's not that Caddis has been massively unproffesional, out on the piss ect. It seems as though Di Canio thinks he cant deliver his principles to the rest of the squad, fitness being one of them. If Caddis came back two weeks or a week behind everyone else (regardless of circumstances) that's a big thing for Di Canio, as he obviously thinks that a captain must share the same ideals & principles as himself, and that they must be a shining example of these ideals. So even a minor slip would warrant stripping of the captaincy from Di Canio's perspective.

Wether that is right or wrong has already been debated. But it's very clear that Di Canio feels the captain has to represent everything he stands for and although he may have lost a good player because of his stance, Di Canio has very much shown that he is still the boss. My two penneth is that the results have been good so far, so i'll trust Di Canio on this one and hope that he and Caddis can settle it behind closed doors.

Good point joteddy. What can he have done that was so bad to justify that? And I do agree, after a nice positive and generally quiet pre-season build up, it's put me on a bit of a downer as well. I mean, if PDC can fall out with Caddis, he can fall out with anyone at any time. And that's not a good thing.

I think that's called locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.

But surely, if he is behind the rest of the team fitness-wise, he is not in condition to play anyway.

I suppose, but it would be nice if some degree of confidentiality could be restored when/if the issue is resolved.

Playing Devil's Advocart, the dark lord’s favourite yellowy tipple, perhaps Di Canio is purposely over playing the situation to get a reaction from Caddis.

Caddis is without doubt a player who would slot into a good Championship team and arguably with some improvement would make it in the Premier League. He does come across as a good honest pro but lacking some the fire to push needed to take his game to the next level and push his career on.  I suspect Di Canio is playing for a positive reaction from Caddis and I’d wager he will get it.

Definitely a gamble and I’d argue playing it out via the press to such an extreme wasn’t the best plan of attack but come Christmas I’d lay a few quid that Caddis is without doubt one of the best players in League one.

Or playing for Huddersfield.

Apparently its being reported by BBC wilts that caddis' agent is in talks with the club. I say apparently as my father told me this. Wondered if anyone else heard this. Does not sound encouraging if this is the case.

He is clearly going. No way back after the BBC interview. Time for a new right back and to move on

If we can get a good fee for him he and STFC may as well move on.

I'm convinced this is a complete and utter cock up by PDC. But the team can and will survive this. I just hope it doesn't unsettle others, there is no suggestion it has yet.

Paul Caddis was captain and as such had responsibilities, one of which was surely to lead by example which is what Alan Mac is doing now.I like him as a player but if he's not happy,then it's best for all parties if he moves on.I still hold out hope that all can be resolved though

His agent wouldn't be doing his job properly if he wasn't at least trying to find out how the land lies. Means fuck all! I hope!

If Caddis is on his way, he'll probably end up at Sheff Utd.

2+2 = 78!!!!

They can't afford him

Jeremy Wray stated before the game last night that the situation had "got out of control" and he honestly did not know whether Caddis would play for the club again. He did also offer full backing to PDC.

I would be amazed if Caddis ever played for us again, PDC went out of his way to praise Joe Devera in his post match interview, shame we have probably de-valued the fee we could have commanded for Caddis, but life will go on, and we will still win this league anyway.

Two and two making five. As elsewhere on the forum, Jeremy Wray still talking about further signings and I would not be at all surprised now to see Caddis on his way as it frees up wages and PdC giving Devera a timely boost on the after match report last night. Would like to be proved wrong.

That's how I read it. Maybe I've just got my fingers in my ears?!

No point keeping a financially valuable asset at the club if he won't ever play again, might as well flog him before the window closes and hopefully reinvest some of that money.

I've been clinging to the hope he gets back in Paolo's good books but that is starting to look unlikely.

Maybe Caddis has wanted to leave all along? All to easy to blame pdc again though i suppose

Would be a big loss, but if we can get £500K+ for him, then I see that as a good bit of business.

Lets just see what happens.

think this is the case myself. Should have been sorted quietly though.wray is backing the boss so sell caddis and move on i say

Can't also be great for caddis either as just having a new baby and then to have all the up heavle of changing clubs possibly moving would be nightmare too.  I still believe caddis will go but both he and pdc are going to cut their noses off to spite their faces. Both don't want to lose face.

This has gone much further than "maybe he is still just not fit"

You don't half love a bit of negative guesswork LittleRed. Do you know Caddis and Paolo well enough to know what they will or won't do? For all you know, they could be fine behind the scenes. I'd also wager you're not exactly privy to stats showing exactly how fit or unfit Caddis is.

I say we just wait and see what happens. Speculation, especially negative, gets us nowhere.

I was having a jibe at those that are looking at this with rose tinted glasses. It's a negative view yes but I can't see any positives in this. Can you

He's going to stay, sign a new 10 year contract, win the captaincy back through a combination of hard work and outstanding performances, and score the goal that puts us into the Championship. Him and Di Canio will kiss whilst holding aloft the FA cup.

Thought I'd inject a little positivity as this thread scares me.

I'd be very happy with that

Whatever happened, PDC needs a few lessons in selling things. Stop telling prospective buyers that your assets are shit would be my first suggestion. He'd be crap on eBay.

This whole thing has confused the living fuck out of me. If we are to sell Caddis then we need to bring in a player just as good, he was integral in the way we played last year.

Will they be using tongues?  That may make me feel a little uncomfortable!

It's not the fact I can't see positives, but I can't see your guess laden negatives either. Sure they're plausible, but I'd rather like to believe they're able to get over this and plough on.

Let the chips fall where they may I say. It's partly idle speculation has made this situation as bad a it is.

One thing is for sure, this is not a fitnesss issue anymore.no way would he still be out of shape unless he is not allowed to train

FWIW, I saw Cad and his girlfriend driving towards the ground last night, at about 7:00 p.m.

He was wearing a Town top.

Dunno if this has any relevance :hmmm:

Maybe caddis didnt like the club taking the option of extending his contract for another year.

He was in the directors box with the other injured players.
FACT.

What can I say, Di Canio's passionate!

So he's injured then ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19343949

Unlikely - the only player in the gym doing rehab today was Troy.

Hopefully this means Gary Roberts is fit again or too injured to even rehab!!

He had a protective boot on last night so I think its the latter.

He has a torn calf, so I'd guess he isn't at the gym stage yet

personally I'd send caddis out on loan for 3/6 months, just to see if things will die down a bit. tbh sounds like it wouldn't..

If he comes back fit, in-form and happy to work his way back into the team, then great :) If not, hopefully he would do well on loan and his value increase and allow us to sell him on for more.

Spot on. 

In Paolo we trust- everyone else is a *

*-
1) Cunt
2) Amateur
3) Scummer
4) Cunt

You choose.

All of the above

With no real facts to go on, but with public "statements" from both sides I think its inevitable some people will look at PDCs past fallings out with players and judge this with them in mind. It may not be the correct prognosis, but if things are played out in public then they will be subject to speculation.

If it comes out Caddis wanted out, everyone will hold their hands up and say PDC was right.

It's got to the stage now where I don't give a shit what happens.

He stays - he goes

Don't care - just sort it out.

And soon

To be fair, Paolo's already helped alleviate most of my worries by proving we're not shit without him and that Devera is up to the task (at least in a defensive sense, and he's certainly getting there in an attacking sense).

I was concerned that without Caddis' attacking threat, we'd be crap and I'd begin to dislike Paolo for this episode. However, I'm now rather less ambivalent, and perhaps verging more on indifference, about the whole Caddis debacle now - he says 2 games and 4 points into the season!

Di Canio's fascist authoritarian 'take no bollocks' ideology is so far paying dividends  ;)

And the plus side of all these fallings out is that some clubs who, in the future, may well have looked at kidnapping our esteemed leader could have been put off my his testicle-squeezing man management style

Yes, but he's certainly made it easy for anyone who wants to leave the club.

You just say "Boss, I can't be arsed to train today" , and thats it, your wish is granted, and you are on your way !

I don't buy the argument that this isn't an issue because we're good without him. That's not the point. He makes us better. We're a good side with, say, De Vita in the team, but better and more likely to succeed, with Roberts.

I think we are better off with 11 players who want to play for STFC rather than 10 players who want to play for STFC and 1 who doesnt.

Spot on.

I think he does want to play for stfc but just not for pdc.

Players re paid to play - irrespective of whether they like or get on with the manager.

It's called being a professional

Tough. He doesn't want to play for a manager that enabled him to captain a championship winning side? There's obviously an agenda here and I don't think it's di Canio's.

I am inclined to agree with you on that.

"If you end up with too many fractions in groups and people muttering behind the manager's back, then you quickly have problems."


And we all know what happened the last time the dressing room had those issues.

Well Paul a degree of honesty wouldn't go amiss with regards to your own personal ambitions.If you want to go for footballing reasons to the Championship or want to return to Scotland then fine.We might not like it,but at least you'd be honest to all of the fans and the club.

Did I miss something where Caddis has come out and said he wanted to leave - or even intimated such?

So in about 10 posts the forum has decided Caddis doesn't want to play for us, wants a move, has caused a divide in the changing room, doesn't like pdc, doesn't want to play for him and is unprofessional.

Get a grip people.

There is a whiff of Kangaroo running through some posters' judgements on here.

I think its fairly obviously he doesnt want to play for us. Otherwise he'd have got his head down, apologized and got back into the squad by now.

All he's done is speak to the media and not feature. In truth I'm surprised he hasnt gone already.

This may be a stupid question, but if he was that unfit how come he played in all of the pre-season games.

It makes you think that something has changed (probably with Caddis) between then & the start of the season.

One possible option is that his agent has told him that a Championship club want him & will pay him more.
His Mrs has suggested that he should ask for a move
a) because he will get more money &
b) he will have more time at home because he will probably spend less time training.

He tells Paolo that he's thinking about leaving, and (well we can guess the rest).

In fairness everyone will have an opinion (however ill informed) of the situation. Looking at what we actually know I've found it pretty hard to believe that di Canio has been overly harsh on a player he made captain last season and who he had consistently praised, for no reason. PdC, whatever his faults, isn't stupid and is well aware of Caddis' value in the side. Something has seen that value decline. Add that to the comments made by Pdc and JW about squad cohesion and attitude and it's pretty clear (well it is to me) that Caddis, for whatever reason, has become something of a devisive element.
I doubt most of us will ever know the full story, or reason, but I'm pretty sure we've seen the last of Caddis in a Town shirt. Whether or not that was what he wanted before the furore is unclear, but I'm beginning to think neither party will be sorry at his departure.

he signed a contract extension at the end of last season, so I really can't see him trying to manufacture a move + plus why comment to the BBC to argue his point?

I think he showed poor form during preseason, PdC told to him so  and caddis hasn't reacted in the way PdC had hoped - things have spiralled out of control since, and to a point where now there i no turning back. Simples

I thought it was more the case that the club "triggered" the extension, rather than Caddis wilfully signing one?

It was.

Agree with that in principle, I just question how rational some of PDC's decisions might be. We don't know the details, so we don't know if he really has a lack of commitment.

He didn't sign an extension, the club triggered a clause in his contract.

Good points, agreed. Dare I mention Pietersen?

Completely agree.  Most of us agree that we should at least be challenging for promotion again this year.  So it's very possible that Paul Caddis could be the difference, for example, between an automatic promotion finish and a play off place, or a play off place and an 8th place finish.  I just don't think we have the luxury of casting aside a player of his abilty...and even if we did, we shouldn't be considering it anyway because he's a top bloke who has done more than enough already to demonstrate his worth to Swindon Town.  This needs a resolution, and quickly.

I should also add that, for all we know, a reconciliation of sorts may well already be in progress and that Caddis and Di Canio may already have started to resolve their differences.  The lack of media cover this week that is, understandably, fuelling speculation.  A long shot, but let's not write his future off at the club just yet.  For as long as there's a chance he could make a come back, I'm going to assume that that is what is going to happen.  If he has been seen in a Town top around town, that's a positive sign for me.

Agree with that,but it could also be the case that IF he is being a bit of a little fucker and is not behaving the way every other squad member is then why should pdc not treat him the same as anyone else

Caddis has been in talks with Hibernian going by some Jock agent


Agent Football ‏@AgentScotland
The two players Pat Fenlon was in talks with on Monday where Craig Forsyth and Paul Caddis, no idea as of yet how talks went

The Advertiser understands Paul Caddis has been told he can leave #stfc. Hibernian believed to be interested in taking him back to Scotland

Sam just posted this.

If Caddis has wanted away all along, that should have been stated instead of it all being blamed on a change of attitude and fitness.  It might have stopped all the speculation?

Did his girlfriend come from Scotland with him?  If so, it's possible that a new baby is making them want to be closer to family?

However it seems odd to do an interview saying how hurt and disappointed he is, if he was trying to instigate a move.  Also, the likes of Benson and McCormack also made comments about hoping Caddis and PDC would sort things out, which would be a bit odd if it's the player eanting a move?

Some people are saying they're not that bothered now if he goes, but I would be really disappointed, even though I'm pretty sure it's going to happen.  He will be a big loss and just because Devera played better last night, he doesn't naturally want to push forward, which will be an isdue with the way Ritchie plays.

Caddis was fantastic for us last season and if he does go, it will be a real shame if it's under a cloud and that's what he's remembered for rather than what he did as a player.

So it seems he's off then. Sad news after his contribution last season, however, we have already proved we can play without him so it's not all doom and gloom!

fuck it. Hey ho, can't do anything about it I suppose.


2 games against average opposition is hardly conclusive. Suspect we will bring in a new RB.

It'll be shame if he leaves, but picking up your first point, it's possible he wanted a move after and because of all the shit hit the fan, as opposed to the club lying to us...

Absolutely gutted

And this. Obviously we don't know all the circumstances, but it has ramifications for Paolo if results start to go against us.

Not conclusive but we've not had a shocker of a start to the season. Like you say, nothing we can do about it so there's no point crying over spilt milk. Hopefully there is a new RB lined up to come in.

I think Wray has made the expectations of PdC very clear regardless of who is playing for us and who isn't. He's indulged him and Pdc has come up trumps. While results go for us PdC can do what the fuck he wants and any player who fucks him off, whether the reason is legitimate or otherwise is fucked.

I now just hope we can get a fee or I'll feel a little bit disillusioned for a few minutes.


I'm behind him, I just wonder if after a few defeats, without Caddis, or at least another player almost as good, I think some sections of fans will have a little less tolerance.

Surely hibs can't afford the money we would be expecting for him? Loan?

Really hope this doesn't rock the boat too much. And we get a decent fee for Caddis, we can't run the club under a business model where our best players can leave on frees if they fall out with the management...

So I wonder if he's been told he can leatve because he's requested to or because he's no longer wanted?  Either way, it's massively disappointing.  It remains to be seen how this will impact the rest of the squad and that is a concern.

However if he goes back to Scotland which looks likely, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ferry followed suit?  

I feel very very pissed off.  I haven't felt this bad about a player leaving for a long time.

Talk about lowering your standards - Hibs. He should be overjoyed to be south of the wall and even more overjoyed to see the magic roundabout every day he goes to work. Ungrateful fucker.

You've taken two. Added two. And ended up with a six figure number. It's a shame Caddis seems to be on the way out but let's not have wild, unfounded speculation about others as a result!

From recent observations it does not appear Caddis and Ferry are joined together at the hip

Cuthbert left a while back and Ferry is still here.

Get the feeling Caddis thinks he can do just as well elsewhere with half the effort.

By his own admission Caddis missed a number of training session and was/is not at the same level of fitness as the rest of the team.  He mentioned that mother and baby are fine, and his focus is on being a good boyfriend/father (quite understandable), and I'm sure when he is at training he feels that he is giving 100%, I would be amazed if he has the same intensity that he he had last year, because quite simply becoming a father for the first time changes you.

Paolo on the other hand has always been a workaholic, and his emphasis on fitness and training is also legendary - I understand he usually has them in for some kind of training 7 days a week, and expects from his players exactly what he is putting into the role himself - a "100% for the cause" mentality and will not put up with anybody who he feels is not pulling his weight (Leon Clarke and Mehdi Kerrouche for example), and does not believe in excuses - after all, we all know about his father having to work silly hours as a bricklayer in all sorts of weather.

If Caddis had any other type of job and manager, the solution would be simple - take a couple of weeks off, enjoy being a new dad, and come back with all guns blazing.  Unfortunately his profession and having Di Canio as a boss make that impossible!  The result is an understandable change in focus/fitness/commitment from Caddis, and a simple black or white mentality from Paolo which makes a parting of the waves inevitable.

It looks as if he could be going sooner rather than later, but even if he doesn't I will be amazed if Caddis is here come the end of the January transfer window.  While I think the whole thing is a shame, I totally understand what Di Canio is doing and the reason why he is doing it (even if I don't agree with the methods he appears to be using).  I wish Caddis luck as he has been a great player for us, but I think it has got to the point where it would be best for everyone if he was to move on.

I hope he's sold and not a loan, because I have a feeling he'll get used on the wing, and not at right back, and therefore be worth about 50p in a few months. As a winger he's decent, but frankly pretty average. As a full back, with a good winger in front of him, he's fantastic.

Morshead Has just said the Advertiser understands Caddis has been told he can leave Swindon so this snowball is growing by the hour. Only time will tell.

Agree 100% with this

 :popcorn:

Why?  It's bound to start, so thought I'd get the ball rolling!   :)

You would assume however that Caddis is fairly popular with the rest of the players and it's a genuine concern to me as to how this may affect them. Nobody else who's fallen foul of PDC has been anyway near as high profile.

Kerrouche was our top scorer when he fell out with PDC. That was high profile enough. We all know how Di Canio works now. If you don't commit you are out the door. We will be fine.

I'll be most annoyed if the fucker leaves via "Mutual termination"

We can ge a lot of money for Caddis.

I'll be annoyed if he does go, but if he goes for nothing I'll be even more annoyed!

"Meanwhile, Wray said suggestions that three clubs in Scotland have approached Swindon with a view to a loan move for Paul Caddis are wide of the mark.

Dundee United, Aberdeen and Hibernian are rumoured to have shown an interest in taking the former Swindon captain north of the border.

Wray insisted he had received no inquiries but said: “It’s a fairly fluid situation. We’ll talk to him and the manager and do what is best for the club.”

However, the Advertiser understands Caddis has been told he can leave the County Ground."

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/9888339.Town_could_bring_in_three_more_before_deadline_as_Cibocchi_leaves/

Speculate until you ejaculate, folks...

Its gone too far... hope we get a decent chunk of money for him

Off to Rangers ;)

Seriously though, this is a bit of shitter

Anyone know any good right backs? As I said earlier in the thread, Sido Jombati at Cheltenham impressed me last year, but as he hasn't played in he Championship he may not have the 'quuuuaaaallity' that Paolo is looking for.

Not sure if it's his main position but he played left back for them against us last season

Serious balls up this, as much as I am enjoying the PDC experience he appears to have a serious flaw in his management skills/personality. No one is bigger than the club, but I am concerned that one of our most senior pros, and up to this point a model professional, could be leaving the club due to an "arguement". Jeremy Wray needs to make sure that he can temper some of PDC's fire in his belly or we could end up in some employment tribunals. you are entitled to some paternity leave or does that not apply to footballers?

Obviously there may be more to this than meets the eye and caddis may need to be moved on as things  have gone too far. His leaving is starting to look inevitable, that is a bad outcome regardless of how he is replaced. Hope it works out for all concerned and doesn't come back to bite us on the arse.

Good Players normally outlast managers at clubs, lets hope when PDC eventually goes there are a few good ones left with some loyalty to the club, Caddis always struck me as that, but what do I know...

He was filling in there and Lowe covered at right back. Jombati is naturally a right back and getting rave reviews at the moment.

I am gutted if he does go.. there has to be rules but what has been reported seemed more like a slap on the wrist and kiss and makeup not get rid..:-(

gotta love this forum.

we have a member that has been proven time and time again to be privvy to inside info and they are openly commenting on this thread. still though some people plough on with their own assumptions as they are the ones with the facts. well done all.

anyway, this beach is clungetastic and i'm getting back to perving.

There a certain irony with that... Sir Alex Ferguson, arguably the most successful manager ever, has so far managed to outlast all his players and hasn't been short of controversy himself including getting rid of his popular Captain (Paul Ince) because he wouldnt tow the line.

In most managerial jobs you get paid more than your employees - in football that's a rarity - and as a result there is little incentive for players to go beyond 100% (liken it to working overtime - you only really do it to earn more money

Let's not forget that successful football management isn't about following the normal management rules it's about setting a culture through imposed standards and, in the main, you rely on a critical mass of players working within the standards to maintain this as new players come in.

In short, only one person can make the rules and everyone must abide by them, allow one or 2 to break them and go npunished and it's the thin end of the wedge. Look at 2 season ago, the mass was simply on the wrong side of the standards and as a result everyone thought they could do what they want and no weak manager was going to change that.  

PDC has come in with 99% of those players gone and begun the rebuilding process.  He has set his standards and is determined that nobody will be an exception to this.  Caddis has clearly dropped below these standards and through the press the reason for his removal has become public BUT should that then mean PDC drops his standards to allow Caddis back in the fold? I would say no, because that is the thin end of the wedge of players thinking they are the manager and returning to the standards of 2010/2011.

None of us knows exactly what happened for this fall out to occur but rest assured I would rather see Caddis go than see the critical mass for standards dwindle because the players suddenly see a chink in PDC's shining armour

:D

How many more times does it have to be spelt out to people ; Paul Caddis wants to go!

When players want to leave they can force the issue and bring it to a head.It's called player power.

Do you think that Arsenal wanted to sell Van Persie? They had to deal with it and get the best deal
that they could.We now have to do the same.

Just live with it and move on,it's happened many times before and it'll happen many times in the future.

Well, if DRS knows Caddis wants out then he should say it outright! I don't know if everything DRS posts is with inside knowledge, or whether some of it is his opinion.

Have fun perving, Perranporth beach was more miss that hit. Too many middle aged women of the 'past best before' type reading "50 shades"..

There lies the nub of this issue assuming that it's correct and he does. If he asks for a transfer then he will lose money with signing on fees and loyalty bonuses and what have you. if the club tell he's being sold then that put's him in charge of the wonga.

Fair point. Its difficult, because a player has fallen out publicly with PDC that would in my opinion weaken the clubs hand. It gives the impression of "want rid quick", which to be fair we probably do!

Wray knows what he is doing, he won't sell for tuppence ha'penny unless it suits him.

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but it may not be just a coincidence that Caddisgate has blown up when his partner has just given birth. Does she live in Scotland still? Even if they live locally it may be that privately they both want to go back up that way and say publicly something different. As i said in my previous post if their motive is to go back up north then he is hardly going to openly ask for a move if it will cost him money. We also don't know if someone has tapped him up towards the end of last season when his years extended contract option was not decided. Am I correct in saying he did not seem impressed that the club had exercised this option?

From memory he said the extension was "probably" something that would have happened anyway (had he had a choice). Which was for from definite I guess. Buggered if I can find a direct quote of that mind.

I do remember an interview at the end of last year where he said the club had an option on him and he didn't sound that enthused about the fact he had no choice in it, although that may be my over active imagination. There was an interview though, I do remember that.

Is this the one you mean?

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/9717293.Club_confirm_Caddis_extension/

Good players come, good players go.....you buy a replacement and move on, sometimes good sometimes not so good.

We need 11 players playing for the club that want to play for the club, it would appear that Caddis decided he did not wish to play for us any more....sell him while we still can and save on his (probably) fairly large wage.

Caddis was good but not brilliant, he was not as good as Kerslake as a fullback yet we sold him and did ok after he left us getting promotion 2 months after he left to the Premier League.

No player can run the dressing room, as has been alluded to by JW so he has to leave now before any long lasting damage has been done. Only Paul Caddis will know his own reasons for this and neither do we really need to know.

The club have not sent out quite the right message but it would also appear that some media have not reported exactly what happened either much to the dislike of the club.

Lets hope everyone from Paolo, Caddis, the club, The Adver and BBC have all learned from this and that it won't happen this way again.

Also I wish that IF Caddis really did want to move back to Scotland that he came out and said that from the off, its understandable having a new family and that they MAY want to go back to where their family is....lets face it thats exactly what Cibocchi has just done, the fans would understand that in the main.

Find him a new club and lets move forwards from now on, thanks for the last few years Mr Caddis and best of luck for the future....now time to move him on and move on as a club to promotion.

Its all a bit dirty and not in a good way.

I've heard that we are signing John West who is likely to be the new skipper.

Think he's excellent at putting it in the net.

Sounds fucking fishy to me.

It's a good opportunaty for the player.

Assuming the club wont be giving him away then Caddis could have a long wait if he wants to go back to Scotland.  Celtic are the only side who ever pay a fee for a player and thats pretty rare, every other team in that league survives on free transfers and out of contract players.

Absolutely, it has and always will happen and although not happy with the current situation if Caddis does go then better this time of the season than halfway through, as replacement(s) can be brought in and got up to speed relatively quickly.

He will be very tough to replace, but I have full confidence in PDC.

If he doesn't want to be here, he is better off not being here. Hopefully we can get a decent fee for him.

Not sure about John West we need someone with lots of experience to captain the side.  Captain Birdseye will be perfect.

Very disappointed.  But we move on.  Devera has hardly disgraced himself so, at the very least, it buys us time to get the replacement right.  At best, it gives him the opportunity to make that position his own.  If he can learn to get forward and link with Ritchie, then who knows?

I thought they linked up fantastically well on Tuesday. 1 goal, 1 assist and another key contribution from Ritchie, plus 1 assist from Devera, which suggests that Ritchie will be just fine without Caddis. I think back to Torquay at home last season... another of Ritchie's best games for us. At RB? Devera. Also Morecambe away... our winner came from Devera bombing forward and delivering an excellent far post cross.

Devera was excellent in both boxes, a real attacking threat (should have scored Tuesday, unlucky not to on 2 occasions at Hartlepool) and a big, solid presence defensively, which couldn't always be said for Caddis.

We'll be fine.