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BBC Wiltshire has reported Sean Morrison has signed for Reading they didn't say how much for though.

Royaly?

If this is true then it looks as if Stegenfreud was correct in his posting yesterday evening.

Actually got that a bit wrong Bbc Radio Wiltshire are saying we are set to sell Morrison and it's unlikely he'll play tomorrow against Yeovil. I wish Sean all the best on his day he could put in a good performance especialy when he popped up and added that vital goal here and there

Absolute joke.....250.000...clause in his contract...WHO THE FUCK LET THAT HAPPEN!

One bright spark for me has his emergence been....well i can tell Mr Fitton and co that i have a season ticket...it is paid for....................but it wont be renewed next year and to be honest the way i feel right now i would rather be playing golf...than spending my time and money on Town.
How can you let someone of this talent go for that paltry amount....if we had to let him go which we are constantly lied about to...we dont need to sell bollox...they only renewed that contract a while back so i have to doubt that clause saying he can go for that amount........we have no future...i am off to work now............and cheezed off.

Confirmed on the back page of the adver today, apparently Reading have triggered a £250,000 release clause in his contract.

:headhurts:

You're not the only one Leefer, I know plenty of people who aren't renewing their season tickets next season, Mainly because Wilson hasn't been sacked for his failures and other issues, The club did well in pulling in a lot of season ticket holders this season but i can see a big chunk of people not bothering with a season ticket next season unless things change rapidly.

What a cock up, i thought fitton was a businessman we could of got double for him!!! maybe would off had to pay him abit more but hey :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

250K seems very cheap. A bit disappointed with that TBH..

I said what i thought of the player yesterday - not quite got the consistency we need right now but he's only just turned 20, which is easy to forget when he's physically big and been on the scene for a while.

Meh.

Won't miss him. Scored some vital goals, but also made some vital mistakes.

One less in the 'drinking' crew.

How did Reading know about the clause? If it does exist etc

The agent probably.

£250k seems quite cheap on the face of it, however, we don't know if he only signed the new contract provided we added that clause? If we hadn't added it any transfer would've gone to tribunal and we all know that only gives you about 50p. Better to have £250k than fuck all, no?

Also, like sippo, meh. I actually don't think £250k is an awful amount in the grand scheme of things. It isn't like he's the finished article or anything.

Great news!

Another defender gone and no replacement

it just depends what we'd end up doing with those funds. i bet diamandis takes it :(

Who is going to break the news to Dave? He hasn't got over Greer yet.

:clap: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :clap:

I'm not going to complain about £250k, I think that's a decent amount.

I just hope we have a replacement lined up...

We've got cuthbert, poss frampton and Lecs.

Still need one more sippo

Frampton is a crock

Personally, if Frampton can get sorted then a striker is a higher priority.

Defence looks piss poor now. Like tans just said, Frampton is a crock past his best.

I'd start Cuthbert and Lecs on saturday.

If Lecs is fit?

not happy with this

Think we re out of options. Dear god, that looks a bad pairing.

Fuck it, put Pericard at CB. He could do a job !

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Surely you need to ask if Lecs is fit before deciding to start with him on Saturday?

Hmm not sure what to make of this.  Sean is by no means the complete package at league 1 and has work to do so Reading are obviously committed to developing him.  I'm hoping his sale is to help generate funds for us to spend some cash on a decent replacement.  I can't imagine the club making another error as far as letting defenders go are concerned.  They learnt that lesson when Greer left.

Well, we lost our leading goalscorer and a centre half for 250k over the summer and we seemed to get over that OK, didn't we? Oh, fuck.

Batch is right - we should send someone round to Dave's house to hide all the sharp cutlery

good bit of business.decent enough player but no world beater.
i dont think he will cut in in the championship personally as he aint technically good enough,but good luck to him.

Yesterday we had DW stating he "hopes to bring some players in " and we let SM go for £250K, it should be more than "hopes"
As for Morrison good luck to him i think he will struggle, he should have waited a little longer i would imagine in a year or 2 he will be on the thread were are they now

I think you are completely wrong Reading have taken a punt on a player who like most young players is patchy at best he goes from man of the match one week leaving you think he could play at a higher level to awful the next week when he makes loads of mistakes when you end up thinking he would be lucky to get a league 2 club.

Last season we were close to letting him go Southend for the season where his contract would of wound down and we would of been looking at a tribunal come end of season.  As he was so out of the plans last year I am sure the only way they could get him to sign a contract was to add the clause.

I will be upset/angry/annoyed when Austin goes as he is as close to the finished article that we have and him leaving will effect our results.  Morrison leaving will not effect our results we will replace him with another young inconsistent defender in Lescinel (if Frampton is not fit).  Cuthbert is the better player of him and Morrison he delivers more consistent displays.

£250k is a decent fee and if they reinvest it in the team by making some transfers then it will be good business, what makes me laugh is that the same people who were criticising Frampton for saying Sean was a good prospect yesterday are the ones today gutted that Sean is now leaving.

Great in the air, ponderous on the ground. - you can't coach pace into someone.

Would have liked him to stay for the season, and thought he was worth a little more.

Good luck to the bloke, nice to see young players progressing.

Actually, I thought they were shit hot on a couple of occasions last year when they were paired.

Any links?  Nothing yet on the online versions of the Adver or the Reading Post.

Good luck to him

Morrison was awesome at times, but also made some real bad errors. I rate Cuthbert more than Sean so hopefully the dosh will get us an EXPERIENCED Centre Back.

I'd imagine he asked for a clause like this in order to sign a contract with us, or his agent more likely.  The club isn't going to proactively offer such a clause.  In which case, £250k is pretty good business I think.  I'm not sure there is much between him and Lecs to be honest and Cuthbert is a better prospect.

What would irritate me is if the club didn't reinvest this sum within the next couple of weeks, because it's unexpected income and gives us a chance to fill some gaps.  I'm no nutter, and realise Austin's money is being banked on a little more, so will no doubt largely fill the ongoing gap between income and expenditure at the club.

If 250k is the fee it does seem a bit low, but Morrison isn't in the same class as Greer and if we can get a replacement in quickly (clearly before Yeovil won't happen, but before the next game) then it may turn out to be a decent but of business.

The strange thing about all this is if he had a 250k release clause in his contract, why on earth did Newcastle not trigger it when they were interested, it's buttons to a Prem team.

Agree totally Nev.

Hes poor on the ground but good in the air, £250k for him isnt a bad bit of dealing but we should have got more if someone hadent put a trigger clause in his contract.....Sturrock?

He is a long way from being ready for Readings first team, as long as we have some sort of add ons in his package (dont know how we stand on that with a minimum release clause) then its not a bad deal.

The problem is as stated many times its one less defender when we need them, lets hope we do have a replacement lined up....cue Lesc to come into the fray again....cue the adver covering where Lesc is now and what his season goals are......

Re: Newcastle, Because they thought he wasn't worth it or wouldn't make it.

My main worry is that if Austin goes our two main strike forces are gone.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/9361217.stm

Adequate at League 1 level but will get torn to shreds if he goes straight into their team.  He has good potential but when his main strength is scoring and his weaknesses are something that cant improved by coaching then I’d say it’s more likely he will be a bust than a success at a higher level.

£250K is a decent price, bank half and should (in theory) be enough to get a better replacement in with the other half.

If Austin goes that will leave Michael Rose as our top scorer!!

Meh, I'm not as fussed about Morrison leaving as Greer - for starters Greer was a much better player and for Morrison you could have Cuthbert or LJF take his place as the younger of the two Centre Backs.

The fee however I think it ridicilous - we've sold our 29 year old captain and our 20 year old defender for the same amount of cash? I would have thought Morrison was worth more purely on age and potential - but a clause in his contract - what the fuck is that all about (he's signed at least 2 since Sturrock was here!!)

We already needed a CB, now we need 2 maybe even 3. Framtpon is injured and LFJ hasnt been seen for weeks? That leaves Cuthbert and Will Evans.

Could we not at least have agreed a deal in principal and put it off till we have a replacement, couldnt we have got someone from reading in the deal?

I gave up on the season a long time ago, seems the board have now to. season failed.

Also, I've bought this up before but the fact is Morrison only signed 1 year deals anyway - which was fucking stupid - now that could be Morrisons decision rather that the clubs but you know.

Does anyone think we will see the money? I expect most of it, is on its way to Portsmouth already.

Why is everyone so convinced we are going to invest the money back in the playing squad? Over a million for cox, 250k for Greer and 250k for henshaw and all we have seen back in return is Ritchie! I think we need to get realistic I don't think I'm being unreasonable either with my pesimism of no funds being available! Also I do think 250k for a young 20 year old defender who has played around 100 league games and has got obvious potential is low! I for one am starting to see a very big dose of de javu!

We paid out an estimated £350k on Ferry and Caddis up front with add ons for international appearances.

Not to mention I'm reasonably sure Douglas, Sheehan, Prutton, Pericard etc aren't playing for the love of it. An increased wage budget has to be paid for.

Adver suggest the fee is above £250,000 so I would imagine add on's as well, they also suggest we may be getting loan players from Reading as well from their 1st team - who have they got that may do a job for us  - Fitton says they have been talking for 10 days and have a great relationship with Reading (is this like the one with Bolton / Man City / Liverpool / etc where they send us their crap mainly)

Fitton also says he will not allow another player to have a release clause the experience with Sean has taught him a lesson, we have to remember that Fitton & Co are still inexperienced in this game so mistakes may happen but it is them admitting them and how they put them right that counts.

Yeah, those useless cunts Ward and Darby, what did they ever do for us?

Matt Mills is a decent CB and a Swindon lad, he would be good :) (although entirely unreasonable as he's the captain and probably one of their best players)

Whats Hal-Robson Kanu up to these days?

Obvious potential which he has failed to show consistently, the defence has been the weak point all season so I won't be losing sleep on a defender who was great one week and awful the next.  

Reading have taken a punt on him, personally can't see it being a gamble that will pay off as Morrison has problems with pace and positional play both that defenders either naturally have or they don't.  

On the radio they said the transfer fee would be used to re-invest in the team, they have so far bought Ritchie, Caddis and Ferry this season so change the fucking record they are happy to spend money.  Signing new players is Wilson's job, the funds are clearly there so it's up to Danny to pull his finger out and find the right players.

Whilst some memories seem to be being repeated, you seem to have forgotten that we spent money in the summer. Even if Dossevi didn't come with a price tag, I doubt he's on pittance. Have you seen what he drives?!

I would be happy to have Kanu back and also Mooney who was on loan at Colchester, he looks a good striker and seems to score goals at league 1 level.

Hmm, I suppose  but he scored against us in the play offs and his name is Mooney.

I'd struggle to accept him for those (petty) reasons!

Haha! Better than nobody though!

Mooney extended his loan at Colchester until the end of the season, so forget that option.

I've never seen anything exciting about Mooney though. Not sure why, but he reminds me of Chris McPhee.

Bit disappointed with the price, but more worried about a lack of replacement. The though of our CB options of either crock Frammo or liability JFL alongside Scott scares me. Neither are good enough, consistent enough or fit enough to form a solid partnership. Getting a new CB now must be the number one priority.

What about that CB from Exeter we were rumoured to be interested in?

Same fucking swindon selling selling selling fitton would sell his own ass for a fiver. Down to 1 decent cb now then not that it matters as this season has been a shambles since greer was sold.

Matt Taylor would certainly appease me!

My thoughts exactly

You are a tool of the highest order yes I am sure Fitton would sell his own ass so why has he not accepted the bids for Austin if he is so keen to sell people? Morrison had a clause in his contract so they didn't have a choice on whether to accept.  

Before you start on why did they insert the clause the conversation last season probably went something similar to below:

Fitton: We would like to get Sean to sign a new contract.
Sean's agent: He has not been involved in the first team and you have loaned him to Southend so your not exactly showing he is in your plans.
Fitton: He has lots of potential and we could see him getting stronger and holding down a first team place.
Sean's agent: We will only sign a contract if it includes a release clause so if a club from a higher division comes in with a certain fee then he will be allowed to leave.

So rather than have him not sign a contract risk his contract running down and joining another team and the fee being decided by tribunal Fitton agreed the release clause.

Personally I am happy enough with £250k for a player who has been very hit and miss for us.

One word



COCK

Please please please spend the money on players we need though and nut fucking left backs and centre midfielders

Harsh Barry but very very fair!

Has this been confirmed anywhere yet,

I still dont know why Reading would want Morrison anyway as they have at least 4 CBs in their first team squad, the cb's in the under 18s are both current England under19s player and they have a 6 foot 5 under 16 cb who is very highly rated, does not make sense.

Interesting news to wake up to. Can't decide what I think yet. It's all a bit complex with release clauses and stuff.

I don't think I'm really that bothered.

The chances are they see him as a investment.

The story on this on the Adver adds a bit more detail, interesting points for me are:

- Fitton saying Morrison refused to sign a contract which didn't have that clause in it

- He's the only one in the squad with a minimum fee clause and Fitton wouldn't want to see one in a contract again

- Supposedly we're getting some of Reading's "First Team Squad" (So, not really young lads) on loan. There was a distinctly plural phrasing here, so perhaps we're looking at Robson Kanu and a few others, hopefully this has some substance to it.

two words

get fucked

Anything like Ohhh Shaun Taylor ?

I'll be dissapointed if the words "best endevours" don't appear befor "to loan a fist team player".

fist team?

I hope this is the case. Was a big fan of HR-K.

fuck off back to thisis.

Yeah fitton really is a useless cunt and inserting an £250k sell on clause to someone who last season wasn't even featuring.

personally it's a good deal for both parties. Morrison has the potential to be a top class defender imo but at Swindon he wasn't a regular nor was his performances consistant.

The Charlton game showed how good he is, just wish he was consistant with it.

All the best to him i say and well done Fitton for a decent peice of business. GG went for the same money at the start of this season and is twice the defender SM is. Now please DW lets get a couple of replacements in.

The fact Kanu was here before doesn't mean he'd come back. He's a 1st team player there now, not a make-weight to a low value deal. More likely Ingimarsson, no appearances this year, same position. 33 years old. May be like Frampton, but able to walk.

What a twat

I had heard a little while back (someone who knows Nicky Hammond) that we were looking at Shaun Cummings(CB) and Julian Kelly(L/RB) from Reading.

Maybe these are 2 targets that will be included in this "loan agreement" along with HRK who hasn't exactly been setting the world alight down the M4.

Likewise. I'd suck myself dry.

Just a though, when we Signed Sean from Plymouth (i believe we signed three at the time from them, although i may be wrong), was he signed from their academy/youth set up, or was he released/out of contract. My worry is that there is some sort of sell on clause in that deal?

just been looking through Reading's first team squad and it's plenty big enough!

Jay Tabb is a good player from memory and he's only made 9 appearances this season so maybe he's a chance of joining on loan? and he's a midget, so he'd fit in well!

Hal Robson-Kanu would be the obvious one and he's only made 13 appearances (6 starts) so maybe he'd want the move?

striker wise, simon church and noel hunt have been very in and out of the team. both decent players but not earth-shattering....

of course i know nothing and this is pure speculation!

The lad Barrymore's shown real potential. Although Poole might suit him more

badum tish

fuck off i dont even post on there. Everyone has an opinion if ya dont like it dont read it.

No its not a gd deal we have 1decent cb 1crock and then theres ljf.

Your opinion is bollocks.

...and not once he did call fitton a clueless cunt like MR implied?

Thanks Paul, I physically groaned out loud at that!

yes we signed 3 from plymouth youth but morrison was brought in 2 years before seb broomfield and dan evans.

Morrison came in with Ben Joyce didnt he?

Morrison came with Ben Joyce, so it was four in two lots of two. I don't think we paid for Joyce and Morrison who I seem to remember were released, but think there may have been a fee paid or at least sell on clauses for Broomfield and Dan Evans.

And Tozer wasn't it?

yeah and yet you still trouble yourself by replying ya cunt

Oh yes, fair point. We've made a fair bit of money out of that little deal then, Byrne probably paid for himself quite comfortably.

Yes, I thought there was a 3rd but couldnt think who it was, yes it was Tozer

This reminds me of last summer :hmmm:

I can confirm it was Joyce and Tozer who he arrived with. Hopefully he was released, although Plymouth in there current state would probably regret that when the see this transfer!

Stop acting like a fucking child and give it a rest.

Thanks for confirming that. Now, do you have a list of the pubs he's been banned from?

bwp deal fell through aswell. But i dout plymouth would cry about missing out on 250k

You cant blame the lad for wanting to progress his career and join a bigger club.

Jay Tabb and HRK have been excellent this year and would certainly do a job in league 1.  Although I suspect they are to close to the first team for Reading to loan out.  Simon Chrurch would be an excellent replacement for Charlie Austin when he leaves.

You might want to rephrase that, given the subject matter

fuck off ya twat

Again shows you are clueless as Plymouth are gagging for money so I am pretty sure they were gutted it fell through.

I apologise carbonwhite it was a pretty childish post from me. I was just getting in the spirit of the good old tef meltdown thread. We've been getting back on quota recently after a bit of a drought.

I love it.

Just out of interest does anyone know if we'll owe anything to Plymouth as part of this deal or was that all wrapped up for cash/compo when we signed him? Would be dire if he had a 40% sell on clause!

Spot on so thank-you for saving me from having to type something almost identical!

As they're currently wading their way though a pile of winding-up orders from HMRC (settled the first one, second one due IIRC) I think they'd be very much of the attitude that they need every spare bit of cash they can lay their hands on.

They have very big issues with HRMC at the moment and are pretty much fire-selling the whole squad, so yes i'd imagine the £250k would be useful!

As I remember it, Morrison, Joyce & Tozer were all signed as frees from Plymouth the same season that Byrne came in.

We had to pay a tribunal fee for Broomfield & Evans.

nope he was released but i believe seb broomfield and dan evans have clauses

i never implied that either

but with a sell on clause they would only get35k max

When you're trying to put together £700k from bits of change you found down the back of Peter Ridsdale's sofa, it all helps. Would you a like a bigger spade for that hole you're digging?

That was the question initially, was he signed from Plymouth or released by them. I'm being led to believe he was released by them, hence no sell on clause. Just saying at a time when they are desperate for any cash income, a player they released is moving for a reported £250k plus, bitter pill to swallow for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZCv98XKFs

probably thought he was too short

:D

How does 250k compensation work out in Fitton's plan of collect youth, ????, profit?

What is the cost of developing a promising 17 year old for 4 seasons? You've got wages which aren't going to be sky high for a young player, but there must be other costs. When moving a young player do you have to worry about accommodation or any other extra costs? Don't forget general training and medical costs.

I really don't have much idea what that figure would be, but would 150-250k be about right?

Of course even if ended up being pretty cost neutral then that's better than 95% of Swindon players. If you could pull that off with even a third of the squad then that's the club's biggest out goings, players wages/costs, cut down massively. Which gives you a lot more scope to do stuff with our gate receipts.

So to finish this rather rambling post with a conclusion. Fitton's plan works! Yay.

Not sure where I was going with that post, but i've typed it now.

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keep dancing.

Leeds have released michalik could be a replacement for morrison

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/latest/carlisle-utd-sign-lubo-michalik-on-permanent-contract-1.799115?referrerPath=/news-star-sport-latest-1.49999

Well, well here we are again.  Discussing the complete lack of cover at centre back once again!

I find it a strange move on Morrison's behalf to be honest.  He's nowhere near good enough for Championship football imo and it seems as if the squad is already fairly rammed with similar players.  It's probably going to be a case of playing for the reserves for a couple of seasons with an odd cup game appearance in the first team before he may break through?  I would have thought he would have been better off staying here for more regular football and moving on in the summer, but who am I question?  Personally I'm not massively fussed as he's inconsistent to say the least.  Aside from the potential of him scoring, which we'll miss, I'd rather have Cuthbert in the team.

However, the fact that so many of us aren't that fussed doesn't get away from the fact that the situation in defence is now more dire than it has been all season.  Apologies for dragging up Greer again, but the sale of Morrison does make Fitton and Co look even more foolish for not replacing him than they already did.  It's all very well making the decision to go with the youngster and letting him step up, but was selling him a few months later part of the equation?  :hmmm:

This is just another twist that is bound to piss a lot of people off in a season which is already doing just that.  If we don't see decent replacements come in over the next few weeks, Leefer won't be alone in not renewing his season ticket.  

Gutted that we've lost Morrison. A couple more years and he could have been up there with the best defenders in league 1 with a little more experience. Never heard any come and get me pleas, and he never seemed like the arrogant "too big for his boots" type. Good luck to him

At the end of the day Morrison wanted to go and him saying on the radio i'm staying at the club and seeing out my contract because a move was not the right time at present is a load of bollocks.

£250,000 clause was put in his contract because of his reluctance to extend it last year so people blaming Andrew Fitton & DW should maybe start looking at the player and not the club because otherwise we'd of ended up with fuck all had it not been for the club

Well rumours of Reading being interested in CA could easily have been confused by the Morrison deal. eg. Rumourmonger hears of Readings interest in an STFC player. Thinks must be Austin, makes up a figure & next thing we know CA is going to Reading in a done deal.

In some ways I wish he hadn't extended and had gone at the end of last season.  If that had been the case we would have been forced to replace Greer with and might not find ourselves in the position we are now in.  The money we get for Morrison now is only of any use if it's used on a replacement.

Can't be fucked to read through this thread but the Adver story does mention that we may get some players on loan as part of the deal, perhaps even Morrison until the end of the season?

This might sound harsh, but I fucking hope not. We need to take this as a chance to improve our defence.

There's another couple of weeks of this window. Enough time to freshen up the squad with enough replacements to keep us up. That is the aim now - the airy fairy tak of play-offs is surely just to keep a positive spin on things. But it's artificial. We all know we need two strikers, now we need another centre back. That's the bare minimum, but if I can tell that, so can they, and they're the best people to run our club bar none.

not surprised by this, as hammond has been watching charlie and morrison for weeks. I think frampton will now be a done deal, just hope we can keep the guy fit.

Marlon broomes coming in as a replacment

more of a sweeper isnt he  :D

Clean sweep and all that I guess ;)

Fuck beaten to it!

;)

Not too fussed about Losing Sean, as long as we replace him.

I think the key thing is about replacing him and keeping Frampton fit, I'm sure we will here from Wilson about how Lex needs to take his chance again now

I think you'll find the reason the "clause" was written into Seans contract last season is because he spent the season warming the bench & on loan & it probably seemed a good deal at the time £250.000,  good luck to him he obviously is going to progress his career i have never heard of another 20 year old CB having his CV, hope the board can now bring in a strker & CB during the window, in DW & AF we believe   :bye:

Bye sean

He will be found out in the Championship - he looks out of his depth at this level at times.

Good piece of business, even more so if we get a player from them, now lets bring in a centre half and a striker please Wilson/Fitton.

Happy with that sort of money for him.

Nout on the OS yet is there?  :hmmm:

Doubt it.

Reading will send us a player on loan. We need a centre back. They'll offer us this young centre back they've just signed who probably wont get a game for them any time soon.

We'll replace Sean Morrison with Sean Morrison.

the mere suggestion of which poses the question.  If we didn't know who Morrison was, and saw his appearance record, along with the fact he was close to dropping to League 2 at one point, how would fans react to being told we were getting him on loan for the rest of the season?

I'd imagine most people would be spouting off about how he wasn't good enough, not what we needed etc, and that for me is why I'm not worried or remotely bothered by his sale.  £250k+ is a good amount of cash for players at this level.  He's got some good abilities but he's not progressed for me, he still looks the same player as he did 2 years ago.  There is only so long a player can be full of potential, and I'm not sure he was even that good to be honest.  With a bit of coaching and experience he may just cut the mustard in the Championship, but it would be a stretch I think.

The moans about fees are in relation to the squad not performing this season.  £500k for two centre backs and £1.9m for a forward in the past 18 months is massive business for us, just look at our record in sales for the previous 10 years or so.  Morrison's fee is what, 60%+ of the money we got for Parkin!

The bigger concern is not Morrison going, but the fact that we've spent since about March looking like we've needed a new centre half or two.  That two of the ones we did have are now gone/going, means we look really bare and emphasis the point.  This news doesn't dissapoint me, if we haven't gone out to find someone to fill a problem area by the end of the month would do.

well said mr t

Just back from a business meeting in Reading of all places.

I will scroll back in a minute...

My initial views:

Disappointed and concerned....

If he wants to go he wants to go.....he has been out and in of the starting 11 all season but he was a player that was improving no question.

What concerns me is that we have lost the only source of goals outside of Charlie.  This is alarming.

This news would/will be tempered with a swoop by Wilson but i cannot see it happening (probaly a crock on loan from the ass end of no where) and we will be relying on the same old faces who have so far come up short to get us out of this mess.

Lets see what tomorrow brings....if we lose it then Wilson should shit a Barrett housing Estate!

Epic Fail Dave!!!

That's not really true, though, is it? He's scored 4 in the league this season, followed by Ritchie, Dossevi and Rose on 3. Which is a handy amount from a centre back but hardly prolific. If he'd scored 10 or so, then I'd be worried by that as well, but the problem at that end is that no-one's been scoring many apart from Charlie

 :1st: :1st:  Quality post!!!

Some of the posts on here are laughable.....we have lost one of our better players for peanuts....anyone who says its a good deal financially is deluded.
As for the clause...what utter bullshit....if he asked for that clause you say no and dont give him the extra year....why make a stand on some players but not him.
So with Austin going for around 2 million,Cox 1.5 and two good centre halves for another half millioe will be recieving around about 4 million in little over a year.....the crowds are up two thousand nearly.
So instead of fucking around with Reading cast offs(looks like that is what will be coming in) how about spending some of that 4 million on proper quality players.
People have there own views...fair enough and i am the first to admit that my views dont represent many others.......but for me its a sad day.....i was led to believe that the days of selling our players were gone....Mr Fitton told us that himself unless its an exceptional offer......Greer and now Morrison have gone for a song.
Correct me if i am wrong but apart from being a promising centre half he was our second top scorer this season...without starting every match.

You right Pauld but i was trying to make the point that we now have nobody really likely to notch a couple of goals....nobody in Midfield with exception of Ritchie (fingers crossed).

Take a guess who our top assister in L1 is this season?

Smith?

 Will be interesting to see how he gets on.....my suspicion a bit Hoofwood, but will probably have longer as a lower league pro....

Prutton??

(I love you Dave)

Both our top assisters are part of a pretty poor defence which is giving us no foundation on which to build results or performances in any kind of consistent fashion.  Concede less and we'll get more points.  Score more and we may get more points, we may not, as a lovely 5-4 defeat shows.

Nope, its Sean bloody Morrison...well technically it isnt if he's gone so its now Michael Rose.

We sell Austin and that will leave us with Michael Rose as our most creative player and top scorer.

Thats actually pretty fucking terrifying.

If there is fact that we hoof it too much then that is it!!!

Most of them are flick ons from Rose throws, or corners.

We've scored 3 less than Brighton, conceded 17 more.

Matt Taylor's contract is up this summer.I'm sure Tisdale wouldn't want to sell and would
say he's not available,but their Board might take a different approach.

Time to test their resolve Danny and Mr Fitton!

To say he is one of our better players is very wrong, I would say he is our 3rd best centre half as Cuthbert and Frampton are more consistent.  Morrison has been a regular part of a very poor defence this season, he has had outstanding games and he has had awful games.  Morrison leaving will not effect our results in my opinion.

Not sure you can say Frampton is more consistent when he's only played 3 matches.

Frampton should not even come into the equation as he will hardly play for us this year.

Eh? When? If anything, he's said the exact opposite, repeatedly. It's a core part of his business model, that we will offset some of the losses by investing in, developing and then selling players at a profit.

He's a centre half, his main job is to stop the opposition scoring goals, something he's been inconsistent at. That's where we should primarily judge him, goals scored are a bonus. Actually, have any of the stattos (I'm looking at you Dave) got figures on whether he's gained us more points from his goals than he's cost us from errors?

Don't get me wrong, I like Sean Morrison and I'm disappointed we've sold him, but he's not the key loss that Greer turned out to be or Charlie will. He's more of a loss because we're now paper thin on centre backs than in and of himself, if that makes sense. Really important he's replaced well.

Firstly i'm not overly bothered by the fact Morrison is going. He's going to a club in a higher league and he wants to progress so good luck to him. For me he was hit and miss. At times he looked very good but other times he looked totally clueless. I'm happy with 250k and if that was a clause that means we'll get more cash than a crappy tribunal fee then it makes sense.

Now for the factor i'm not to happy about. What are we left with? 3 CBs one of which doesn't seem to be able to stay fit. A lack of experience at the back and that's been the really big problem all along since the first ball was kicked back in August. We have 2 weeks to find a replacement. Do I think we will? No. Why? Because we never seem to sign players quickly enough when we need to. I'm all for Wilson wanting the right players etc etc but this is now a situation where we have to sign at least a CB and a striker before the window is out. I just can't see it happening sadly. Cue comments tomorrow or on Monday from Wilson claiming that our current squad is good enough bla bla bla.

And the final point. Does anyone else think the 250k is going to be used to pay for Ritchie? I sure do. Anyone who thinks we might be spending some of that on a CB or striker probably shouldn't get their hopes up. Now that Morrison is off there really isn't any reason to sell Austin until the summer. We've had 500k from sales of players already this year. No need for anymore surely?

No,  the two deals are unrelated. Fitton didnt want to sell Morrison now as his comments show but his hand was forced by the release clause. They have repeatedly found money to buy players who are young and likely to go on to be worth more (Cox, Ferry, Caddis for example) Ritchie falls into that category so will be seen as an investment.

We have probably concentrated too much on signing younger players rather than experience which is why we've become so inconsistent this season. I have no idea if we will get some players in to correct that in the next 2 weeks but Id be surprised if Wilson and Fitton werent trying very hard to do just that.

Regarding Morrison I think Reading have probably got him for a very good price although at his age that isnt a certainty. I cant blame the club though as the only alternative was to lose him for even less last summer.

I really hope Fitton doesnt read this forum though, some of the weeping and wailing that goes on these days is fucking embarrassing.

Yeah Leefer...go and stand in the corner.

Okay at times people can go slightly overboard, but to be fair some of the people on here fork out a lot of money to watch Swindon both home and away.  This season has been an absolute shambles from the start quite frankly and as each week passes it seems to get worse in one way or another.

I think people have a right to be starting to get pissed off.  All we've had this season is repetitive statements after we've lost games with no real action being taken to rectify the issues.   The whole 'building for the future with the younger players' yarn is starting to wear a bit thin as well when we're potentially about to sell two of them on. 

I rekon this is a great deal for STFC. Was hoping all along that someone would come in for him.

I don't think he's proven himself at League 1 level yet. Yes we will miss his towering presence going forward, but look at the amount of goals weve conceeded this season.

Haha everyone moans that he makes a lot of mistakes then moans when he is sold due to a clause which he insisted was put in the contract. We could always have let him go for free eh?

The key is to replace him with someone better. If we can't do that then that's when the disgruntlement should happen in my opinion.

I'm not sure about this move actually, is Morrison a donkey or a football genius this week? :hmmm:

Is that not necessary though to keep the books balanced? Unless someone knows otherwise, the club operates on a £2m a year loss. Transfers and the board cash injections are required to stop things like this happening to us (again) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattslater/2011/01/plymouth_calling_kagami_please.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattslater/2011/01/plymouth_calling_kagami_please.html)

Fact is that we were told that the club wouldnt sell unless the offer for players is outstanding....ie Cox....no supporter will ever knock that....we shouldn't be selling our young players for a pittance......Mr Fittons words,not mine.
What we are receiving for Morrison is a joke

We're only selling because of a clause Morrison insisted on having, no doubt there'd be people moaning if it went to a tribunal and we got next to nothing for him.

What we are receiving for Morrison is about 3 times his value in my eyes. Your reaction is the joke.

So we could have broken Morrison's contract agreement and rejected Reading's offer? We had no choice Leefer on this occasion sadly we couldn't dictate a fee.

Leefer we did not have a choice. Your beloved Morrison insisted a clause was put into his contract or he wouldn't sign another deal with us. So we either take a gamble and hope the compensation paid by another club and decided at a tribunal will be more than £250k (unlikely) or just grant the player his wish and hope he'll change his mind one day and sign a different contract.

How many really good games has he had in a town shirt.  Not really many is it.  Would have been nice to get more money, but he insisted on the release clause, he's going.  Whatever.  The world goes on.   He has shown he's ambitious and not loyal, fine see ya later Sean.  

Fwiw I reckon he will be found out.  He's not all that.  Another young defender disappears from town never to be heard of again I suspect. 

Course you know more than a Championship manager dont you....is Charlie being loyal?

No we weren't. We were told the club look to bring in young players to develop and sell on for a profit. Which is precisely what we've done in this instance. Cost = £0, Profit =£250k.
Good job we're not then. £250k is far from a pittance. It might be for superstars like Cox and Charlie, but not for Morrison. It's bloody good money for far more established League One players

Seriously, you seem to have the idea that we've been told the precise opposite of what Fitton's been saying consistently since they took over. Where did you get this from?

Rubbish Paul.....hes young with experience...scores and makes goals....as i said its peanuts..

So what should Fitton have done?

So why has nothing been put on the official site ?

The sale of Morrison for anyway is neither here nor there.

He's either going to develop and get quite good or he'll suddenly be 26 and having to still be talked through games ala Ifil.

Reading could end up selling him for alot of profit or 250k could be the most he's ever worth.

My problem is the replacement. Will we get one? and will he be any better? We all know the story of what happened in the summer but if we stuck with what we had then, why would now be any different.

Will we miss Morrison, well right now we will as we've lost a defender and gained no one. If we 'replace' him with LJF are we any better off? no.

One week he does. Next week he makes stupid errors that cost goals.

Peanuts? Drivel. It's not "bite your hand off" money, but it's a damn sight more than most players at this level move for (most go on a free). You don't see many League 1 players going for that kind of money, even strikers and especially defenders who aren't yet established even at this level.

1-Not let him have the clause....no one else has them.
2-Let him go for proper money....
3-Let him see out his contract and get the best out of him,ala Paynter.

I agree every player has a price at this level......this is well below what we should have been getting in my opinion.

Dave and Si Pie a few pages back have got this right IMO - it's not about losing Morrison that worries me (and as I've said, I'd rather he stayed), it's how we replace him.

you do!

all in the opposite direction though!

Rubbish. They're commonplace throughout football.
Neither of them an option once the "trigger clause" is activate

Well summed up Dave. Agree with all that.

Yeah Paul....i expect you did at that age :D....Charlie's missed a few sitters recently......GET RID!
Fact is he has star potential...in my opinion probably the best for his age by miles in this lge....the clause is baffling,and very worrying as all will be clambering for it now.

You really do have the hump today dont you Leefer!

Ive never claimed to know any more than a championship manager.  I was expressing an opinion from watching the player.  And I dont know if Charlie is being loyal because I dont know what is going to happen with Charlie.  He hasn't gone yet has he.  

even though the clause was triggered we could of offered him a better contract

Also cost's us goals.

Morrison wants to go, what can you do if a player wants out? Hopefully we replace him with an experienced CB who can help us fill the void that we currently have in our defence.

Carbon, you think we could compete with Reading on wages?

Leefer mate, your points are invalid.

1. He had a clause. We had to agree to this or he would have left on a free with a fee decided by tribunal.
2. He had a clause. This means we have to accept it a bid of £250k or more, we can't not, therefore WE HAVE TO SELL.
3. We received a bid that met a release clause, therefore we have to accept a bid, therefore he can't see out his contract.

Well below what you value him at or not, his value was set in a contract. Can you not see we had no choice?


Which he has to accept. Why would he? He only accepted the last provided the release clause was in it?!

Erm....... do you understand what a release clause actually means? Because 2 and 3 suggest you've missed the fucking point completely. It's in his contract that we HAVE to let him talk to any club that offers over £250k. So how do you do 2 or 3 exactly?
As for 1, the article is pretty clear that Morrison wouldn't sign a contract without it last season, so it's likely all that would have achieved is us getting only a tribunal fee for him in the summer.

Would you have been happy about that?

I wasnt part of the contract negotions (no shit) but I think the clause is a fucking stupid clause.

I can see why some players have release fee clauses but they are usually set pretty damn high, I believe Messi's is 225million.

For a minimum release fee 250k seems low for someone of Morrisons age, experience and potential. How much did we sell Leigh Mills for all those years back when he was younger and hadnt played a single game, could have been much, if any less?

Now, if Morrison pretty much said that clause or no signature that doesnt leave Fitton any room for manover at all.

If Fitton had dug his heels in and not agreed to it and Morrison left for a free at the end of last season we'd be moaning for not signing him up to another contract. We'd end up with 75k from a tribunal and everyone moaning we should have given into the clause.

Although, as it was only a one year deal and taking into account he's been much more involved with the first team this season would have sitting down to talk contract extension early into the season have helped?

Still, as I keep saying (doh) I dont care he's gone. I'd rather moan about the lack of replacement in truth.

im not suggesting we can but an improved offer might have been tempting he can't be on anymore than 1k here

Dave, can you make us a 43 reasons Lecsinel Jean-Francois is better than Sean Morrison thread?

Yeah, I'll do that - then a scout will read the factual information posted then Scunthorpe will bid 250k for him, we'll sell him and Wilson will tell us he's happy with the defence of Cuthbert, Frampton (injured) and Will Evans.

When he first came on the scene he looked class and a possible £1m player. Three years on he's not progressed. The Rovers home game summed him up - dogshit in the 1st half - class in the 2nd. He's played enough games now to have got a level of consistency but hasn't.
Reading could have got a bargain at £250k or could have signed a dog. Time will tell.
I'm not overly arsed about him going - he's no Taylor, Calderwood or Aizlewood.

At that age, I was far more consistent. Consistently shit. If you're trying to compare Charlie not scoring in two games with the wild inconsistency of Morrison, you've completely lost the plot. Only thing to swing more than Sean's performances is your mood swings :)

I doubt it. As I say, they're commonplace throughout football, so it's hardly going to be a big revelation for the rest of the players and Fitton's already said he regards it as a mistake he won't be looking to repeat.

Look, this all sounds like I'm slating Morrison which I'm not. I like him and I'd rather we'd have kept hold of him, and he may well have that potential you seem so sure of. I hope so, cos I'd like to see him progress. But it's not nearly as clear-cut as, say, Ward, or Charlie is it? He may develop into the next Rio Ferdinand, he may disappear into utter obscurity. So cash in now or gamble on him developing more than he has done in the past couple of seasons, well it's a gamble either way. But I just don't see this as the end of the world catastrophe you seem to.

As I and everyone else keeps saying, it's about how we replace him. And we very definitely need to do that

OK, could you do a 43 reasons Pericard is better than Austin one then?

I'll help

1. Loyalty: Pericard has never publically stated his desire to leave
2. Manners: Pericard has never been banned from any Highworth Pub

That sums up our season.   :cry:

Fuck me Chalkie...no one here is saying he is......to be honest i knew he was going.....but at a decent price at least.
But as i keep boring people about.....its the amount and the clause in the contract that i find a worry.
No players at this level is consistent.....but Charlton away and Saints/Hudds at home v good teams have shown me he will step up easy...MOM in all those games.

WEZE BEEN ROBBED.

Shit, leefer, we're going to have to hide your meds when Charlie goes aren't we? :D

Deffo getting to much money for him....not bothered ;D

But Plymouth at home showed he wouldn't even get a game for the yellow shitstains.
leefer - two weeks ago I wanted to drink whatever you were having, now I don't. I prefer your blind optimism than your current pessimism.

You pays you money....i dont care what you prefer Chalkies.....i am very optimistic....your the one doubting the feller ;)

Fact is he has gone now...i will be there tomorow...supporting the team not slagging.
Sorry for being over passionate on this one....just feel we have been mugged......others dont...thats life.

Don't think you should ever apologise for that leefer :)

OK....over the top a little maybe......................history now.

Utter fucking rubbish

Counteract that with the mistakes he has made this season that have lost us points

£250k to pay for potential that wont come off without game time (which he wont get at Reading is good business)

Fuck me most of you lot must be on blob this week, especially Leefer

Personally I will hold my water until the close of the window, if Wilson and Fitton cannot attract the right people in then I will show them my wrath  :D

Maybe another way to look at it is that we stole Morrison from Plymouth due to a contract muck up in the first place. We have now lost him due to a contract muck up. In the interim he has contributed to the team (arguably inconsistently) and made the club £250k. Sounds pretty much ok to me.

I look forward to it, having seen your train rants this week :D

My thoughts exactly

Hardly fucking Bobby Moore was he ?

Jesus, some people need to get a reality check

I was tired and emotional

I'm just glad he isnt playing tomorrow because Ive been waiting for him to be sold for 12 months because he's a liability.

Lets see what this Will Evans has to offer. He wasnt scared to mix it in the Saints JPT game.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Not so  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: really is it ?

you need to go and have a lay down in a dark room Leefer

OK Dr Elliot.

morrison couldn't get a game when we were a good team.
and his touch and lack of pace will never improve.no guarantees his poor decision making will improve either( it will have to if he is to cut it in the level above)
250k is a fucking good deal for us.

And i should imagine the Reading management who know fuck all will agree with you.

Completely agree Arriba

They are paying for potential that I certainly have not witnessed

Didn't you watch the Charlton match then?

AND YOU HAVE SEEN EXACTLY FUCKING WHAT IN HIM THAT MAKES HIM MORE VALUABLE ?

Yawn

one swallow and all that

yes he was good at Charlton but so was AOB


I REST MY FUCKING CASE

My personal opinion is we could of got more money for him BUT we need to remember we have got money for him which we wouldn't have got if we hadn't of agreed to the clause in the first place. We did refuse it at first so he refused to even sign the contract so i suppose a compromise had to be reached i just wish the fee had been agreed a bit higher.

I know some are happy with the fee and that just boils down to opinion and mine is that he is more valuable than Tozer or Henshall and other young players we have sold for more than 250k

Someone put this under Fred's name please.

So the Charlton match...when the commentators and the guys in the studio thought he was the bollox were all wrong were they?....ok i will take your word..not theres.

Bang on drs

Its rested.....i thought Obrien was mediocre by the way.....and only played an hour.

Also Fred...second top scorer....most assists this season for us.....total shite that is.

i know you would

End of the day he wanted that clause in his contract, and i think he's the one going to suffer for it.

He was starting to get first team action, now he'll just sit in the reserve for a few seasons with his career not going anyway. We have got £250k because of his idiocy at not signing a contract without the clause. In hindsight he will probably see his mistake too - I doubt he thought he would get any games when he signed the contract seeing as Greer was probably still around.

P.S Leefer: you need your head checking. If we didn't sell now we would have had another Paynter fiasco on our hands. Letting him go now means a) we get money for him (who cares if its above or below any nutters valuation on here - he'd be gone for a free in the summer anyway), and b) we now have more time to rebuild for next season - cause let's face it this ones dead.

Agreed......delete this thread.

The Tozer transfer always was a complete joke. Daylight robbery of Newcastle, that maybe helped keep the club alive.

but involved in two of our goals

Well Leefer, if you are going to take the side of a soccer pundit on Sky Sports that used to be on Blue fucking Peter FFS then I will retreat from this discussion now as obviously you will soon be taking the views of Deliah Smith seriously

I love friday night drinkies

It's not all about money - We got a really good relationship with City because of the Henshall deal... ::)

He sat on the bench most of last year, hasn't had a great run out this year and was loaned out to league two, I think that says it all. Bye bye, ker-ching!

Potential maybe, but we aren't going to stay up on potential.

:D.......i do....she makes a mean game pie.


Truth is Fred...you didn't rate him...i and plenty of others did............its boring now and history.

why ?

See above.

Someone will resurect this thread in 2 years. Lets see how far Morrison goes?

If Im wrong good luck to the bloke.

He is proper fit innit

Delia Smith haha

How much did we get for tozer, i cant remember

whatever it was, it was too much.

I expect the fee was 'undisclosed'

Could of been up to 1m but got around 300k

Still got two years left on his contract?...unreal that.

Haha

Look at him now

I bet the greek cunt is still celebrating

Perfectly summed up

Well guys all you read in the papers is true then????????????????? so because the Advertiser says "Sean Morrison insisted in a clause in his contract" you ALL beleive that? And an 18 year old could do that eh??????????? GET A GRIP Oh and by the way i BET Sean is at the game tomorrow maybe not playing but there to show some respect ( which will take some bollocks with you lot of wolves baying for blood)  Leefer if there is some sort of private msg do da on here msg me  :cry:

No, actually we didn't believe a word of it. We know our club were desperate to get rid of him - hence the 2.5 year contract and difficulty in getting him tied down at all... Release clauses are all the rage when trying to keep a youngster.

Has Sean's mum just done a Toni's mum and told the forum off? Ace :D

To be honest, she's pretty obviously close to Sean, but I really can't see why the club would have insisted on a clause in his contract. With the power of logic I can pretty safely say that it was Morrison or his agent who wanted that.

Exactly. Plus they're direct quotes from Fitton and not the Adver (unless the Adver has made them up).

I can understand a relative sticking up for another but it's tedious when the only thing they will post about is how fantastic Sean Morrison is. That's probably going to lead to a few sarcastic comments along the way.

Having experienced the way internet forums work, I'd probably try to avoid them if I knew bad stuff was going to be written about someone and it was going to upset me. Each to their own I guess.

It's interesting to note that Morrison and Charlie have played around the same amount of games (50 ish), although with Charlie it's in about half the amount of time. This makes Morrison worth 5k a game, and Charlie about 40k a game. If you take consistency into account, and the fact that forwards are worth more anyway, then Chalire being worth 8x the amount sounds about right.

Dont see what the fuss is

This time last year if we could have got 250k for him then most people would have taken that.

Hes good at heading balls and chips in with a few goals.  However he is extremely slow and looked dodgey against strikers who had pace.

Sad to see him go but easily replaceable

I really hate this term because it always comes back to haunt us.

I think that most the fuss is that 6 months after selling him, the club still haven't adequately replaced Greer. Morrison hasn't been brilliant, but our defensive options are really looking thin now.

Good luck to Sean Morrison -  he knows what to do in the box at corners - defending or attacking and he has shown a maturity and good attitude on the pitch beyond his years.  He is slow (so was Greer), ifil-esque (nicked that adjective from a TEF-er) in his distribution and still needs to develop his concentration.  I hope he carries on learning - if he does he might just make it a level up. 

Unfortunately he has had to lead rather than learn much of this season and has played his part in one of league one's worst defences.  Good deal for both sides.

Now with that £250,000 we'll get, can we buy that old crock Greer back for the amount we sold him for - oh yes, £250,000.  We need quality and leadership at the back right now.

£250,000 is the sort of crap standard clause you put on somebody on Championship manager when they won't sign a deal, not agreeing to it on a 20ish year old who has shown promise

That's nice, actually I just looked at the fixtures and saw the Plastics are away at Donny so not too suprising.

Anyway I'll try and have a whip round to see if we can get a going away present for him. Perhaps a really nice set of tweezers from the boots sale. It'll be useful for getting the splinters from the bench out his arse. In fact if they are doing 2 for 1 I can send the other pair to Paynter while I'm at it.

Seriously though he doesn't owe us respect. He was not and is not a guaranteed starter and we loaned him out to Southend when he wasn't of the standard last year. We don't owe him respect given he is not home grown and if fucking off to Reading for the money at the first opportunity.

That said, good luck to him. If he can cut out the mistakes he'll make an excellent league 1 and possibly championship player.

'easily replaceable' certainly has a very familiar ring to it. And we are absolutely threadbear at the back.

:D

While you are on here Dach dont suppose you got one of his shirts i can buy :D

I think he'll go on to be a good player in a few years time. 

Saying that, he's not what we need right now and apparently didn't see his future here. I'm reasonably happy with £250k for him, as long as we get someone in with the money.

Fitton doesn't appear to have wanted him to go, so hopefully the money won't be included in any budgetary planning and will be available for the team rather than running costs.

Just got of the phone to someone who reckons Sean never once turned down a contract and it wasn't him or his agent who insisted on the clause. Massive piece of humble pie from me to be eaten after what i said last night.

So who is lying, Fitton, your mate, Morrison, Morrison's agent or the Adver.

Impossible to know!

Thing is, it makes less than no sense for the club to insist on the clause

Why the fuck would the Club put that clause in?? The Club didn't need to put such a clause in. It's up to them whether they accept a bid of 250k or not.




I'm swearing more than I should these days. STFC does that to you I suppose.

Edit: beat me to it Dave!

Think it was more along the lines of he was going to leave out of contract at the end of the season so was offered that deal .That's the way i thought he meant it.

OK, I can see the logic behind that.

I cant.

If what DRS has heard is true, then its beggars belief we put that in there.

If he was stedfastly not signing a new contract then they had to do something.

It dosn't matter,...he is gone,some people are a bit cheezed,some dont give a shit......lets move on and get behind the team.

So, he's not going to sign a new contract so we tempt him by inserting a clause that has very little effect on Morrison himself and completely screws us over should someone want to sign him?

Plus, DRS said he never turned down a contract?

So at the end of the season we loose him for nothing if we dont put that clause in, instead we loose him now for 250k.  I rather get money for him than loose him for nothing.

He had another season left...signed a years extension.anyway onwards and upwards.

why give a shit about the clause.
250k is good business for him so what does it matter?

Perhaps, some people dont think its good business.

If he didnt turn down a contract (as DRS said) then why were we certainly he was going at the end of the season? if he refused to even talk why would this clause make him change his mind?

Plenty give a shit....we were told Mickey Mouse clauses were long gone.....Fitton has been shafted by Morrisons agent.

You got your opinion arriba.............mine is with still over 12 months left on his contract we should have got more...a lot more,the clause meant we didn't.

how much do you think he is worth then, leefer?

Exactly....in order to get players in, we have to get players out....always been that way.

Of sole concern now will be to see what Wilson does with the windfall.....I remember when Macari sold Colin Baillie to Reading for 30+K and got in Calderwood for 20+, great bit of business.

The mongs will foam....no chance of Wilson doing that, and they'd be right.....the 20+ fee was set by a tribunal, based on the value we put on Calderwood by his wages.....of course most of which were off the books.  We thereby got a quality player we couldn't really afford, and Mansfield got shafted.

Signed a years extension January 10, so only has 6 months left to run

Well....maybe what we got...... going up to a million with add ons,if Reading sell him for massive bucks one day then it could have been a big pay day....as far as i am aware a release clause means we wont get none of that.

Know you and others didn't rate him but i feel we would have been better off letting him see his contract out...he may have signed for another year anyway.

Anyway like i said many have gone before.......todays another day.

i have never said i dont rate him.i just dont think he's anywhere near as good as you do.
once a bigger club came in he was always going to leave

Fair enough................on a completly different subject....four day tab at Wentworth....just recieved for £55 quid :D....great value,the Welsh is only £40 for four days.

Will only go the one day in Wales as its straight after Wentworth.....will be off to Sandwich as well for the Open...you watching any this year?

yes mate.will deffo go to the welsh and plan to go to the open too.

Yeah, if it is true he didn't turn down a contract then it's fucking bollocks. But who the fuck really knows?

we could have paid spurs to take calderwood and it still would have been good value.

Why do you say that?

So if the club were involved in the clause, why is Fitton now moaning about it?  Or as a few people have mentioned recently is it another case of a wrong decision being made higher up and then trying to twist it to be somebody else's fault? 

because he was amazing for us and paid back more than any money can buy

Some bizarre claims and counterclaims re the contract clause.  As has been pointed out, it would in no way benefit the club to have this, so it must have been something valued by the player (or more likely his agent) that played a part in the contract negotiation.

Anyway, its history.  In reality though, I can't see that we'd have got much more than £250K for Morrison in the current market, so a higher release clause (or the absence of one) would have meant that we'd be keeping him longer.

Opinion seems to be split, but mine is that, as he clearly wants away he's not here for the long term so as long as we can get a replacement in to at least see out the remainder of this season, its good business for us.

When he came in he team as a 17 yr old I thought he had great potential but he doesn't seem to have developed as much as I'd hoped he might.  I can't help but compare him to Matty Heywood, who had great games but also made poor mistakes. He went off to City hoping for a bigger move.  I know MH was older and there is still time for Sean to develop but my punt is that he'll end up as a similar journeyman League 1/2 player.

Has it been confirmed yet that he is moving? If not anyone think he will play today?

He is definitely going and won't play today because Reading won't want him to risk getting injured.

Totally agree with you we could do with him today

Fitton just said if they hadn't put the clause in, Morrison wouldn't have signed. I believe Fitton 100%

mentions about morrison leaving and an offer for austin also a few comments that i havnt seen before

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_6665581,00.html

I know yesterday was a load of shite going forward, but I thought we looked a lot better with LJF at the back with Cuthbert, and I think we would have kept them out if Rose hadnt been sent off.

There won't be any 'sell on' clauses, will there?

Reading met the release fee. No need for further negotiation on their part.

Regardless of who put the clause in his contract, how did Reading know about it? I can't imagine wanting to sell him, maybe in the summer but not now. The player wanted out and if that's the case why do we want him here?

Austin looked like Paynter at Wembley yesterday.

Morrison would have been out of contract in the summer.

I assume they knew about the clause because it came up on the screen when they clicked on his name, fm style.

What screen? I thought contracts were signed paper documents which were between the club and the player. One would have to divulge the contents to other parties. I'm guessing it's the agent in this case. Going to get a nice fee out of it.

Whoosh.

Real life is exactly like FM, no?

I got the FM reference but seeing as you always think you're right I wasn't entirely sure you were capable of sarcasm. My mistake.

Yeah good recovery.

That's more sarcasm btw.

You're an annoying cunt.

That's not sarcasm by the way.

What else is new?

I got your post si.

reading wouldnt of had to know about it as soon as they offered the 250,000 it triggered the clause.

they could have offered more though

Im imagining alarm bells and flahing lights going off in a game show jackpot win style when Reading bid 250k.

His agent was the one who instigated the move, and Reading wasn't the only club interested.

So any player now will be asking the same....and he cant say no,i mean Morrison was a decent player but hardly.....oh shit he is worth ten million class.
He has left it open now that when others negotiate an extension...they will want that clause.
Should have let him go last year if he didn't want to re sign....my feeling is that there is more to it than it seems.

But this way Fitton made £250k, surely its good business, no?

Maybe, but I think Leefers point is...what happens if Cuthbert now decides he wants the same clause in his contract otherwise he wont sign.

Then say we give in and he signs and later gets sold for 250k, is that good business? no. we lose out, again.

Well, I think thats what leefers point was - it might possible set a precedent but then I'm not leefer so I could be well wide of the mark.

there have been a few cbs moving from league 1 for the championship but the fees are undisclosed so its hard to say.

james chester moved from man united to hull for 300,000 who has played 12+ games in league one for carlisle but there are probably clauses like sell on percentage ect.

If that was the point then surely Fitton can negotiate a decent price that would trigger the contract. If a player wants to go, then he will go, you cant force anyone to stay. At least maximise the compensation of losing a player that the club wants to keep.

Which (in some peoples opinion) is exactly what he hasnt done with Morrison.

My personal opinion is Morrison should be worth more than 250k and we've been sold short. Not by much but when you compare it to 300k upfront for Ben Tozer who played 2 games and get sent off in one of them it seems stupid.

That doesnt take into account the lack of sell on clauses (I think)

ive heard he went for close to 1m upfront with sell on clauses same as jutkiewizc

Exactly the point.

Course Morrison was going to move....how he went and for how much is what pissed me off.
Plenty were happy with the deal.....would people have been happy if Charlie insisted on it?
OK some were happy he went for that kind of money....the point i keep saying is that all i am not happy with is the clause....Fitton has said it wont happen....he said that before.
The days of our players left for shit money should be over.
They either sign the contract or fuck off in my opinion.....not hold the club to ransom.
Personally i liked Morrison....whole hearted brave young player..no fancy dan off the pitch...and loads of potential...wish him well.

The thing is with the Morrison case is that Fitton had to do something or he was going to lose. If the price is right or not, i dont know but at least he got a 6 figure sum instead of a Tribunal sum.

I doubt it - but either way the point is if we can get that much for Ben Tozer than 250k for Morrison is under priced.

Wasn't the Tozer deal one of Diamond Mike's efforts, by this logic you'd think he was better for the club than Fitton.

yeah because thats what I said reg.

Ben Tozer was just typical Newcastle bad management. We got lucky.

I think £250k+ is good money for Morrison.  We got the money for Tozer based on potential, if he'd played the same number of games as Morrison and performed as he has then we would have got much less.  It often works like that, as someone plays more, they can devalue by showing that the initial potential doesn't amount to much, or not as much as anticipated.  Please see Prutton as someone who has declined in value the more he played because he just never got any better.  For my money, Morrison is no better a player than his first game.  Reading clearly still think they can unlock the potetial and are taking a calculated risk.

On the contract point, I'd imagine the next person to try will get told to bugger off and we'll risk them not signing.

Morrison no better player than his first game...you need a third eye as one aint working.
A statement like that is not even worth arguing about.

No better than first game are you having a laugh! Morrison is a goalscoring defender something cuthbert isn't not just to say a big game player! Off the top of my head Morrison has scored against charlton, huddersfield, Southampton and Bristol rovers and in three of them games they were  the winning goals! 250k in my opinion for somebody of his age is slightly cheap!

I honestly think it, in the same way as I think Kennedy would struggle to make it beyond this level. Morrison has some big weaknesses for a central defender and they don't seem any better than when he first began.  His marking is poor, games should have improved that.  His pace will never improve, although I don't think he is a slouch, for me it's more his agility - he has decent enough speed in a straight line but the turning cycle and reaction speed of an oil tanker.  That would have improved by now if it was going to.
Cuthbert is a far better starting base for a central defender and would have himself to blame if he doesn't cut a decent trade at Championship level or back in the Scots Prem.
I even think Lecs is a better prospect at the moment....again, he may never cut out the concentration and over playing issues he faces.

 Oh, and I'm not saying Morrison is a bad player.  I think he'll end making a good career at this level.  I'm just saying he hasn't improved where he really needs to.  Goalscoring is a bonus.  He needs to defend first, you just can't rely on a defender scoring consistently (Taylor had a good year but his defending was his primary skill). It adds very little to his value.

Get real the reason reading are paying money for Morrison and not cuthbert is because there scouts see more potential in Morrison otherwise they would be paying money for cuthbert!

???

Cuthbert is above their budget more like.  Cuthbert > Morrison, by a long chalk.  He's not played his best at times, but he's a much better player than Morrison and has the potential to have a pretty good career.

Why couldn't Morrison get a look in last season? Why was he sent out on loan to Southend?

Because Cuthbert is twice the player.

Reading are paying money for Morrison and not Cuthbert because they've got Morrison at a steal and if they sold him tomorrow (I know they cant) they'd make a profit.

If they wanted Cuthbert they'd have probably have had to pay what he is actually worth not some under estimated release fee.

anyone would think we are selling bobby moore for 50p.not an average league 1 centre half(who may not improve)for the same as a superb captain and leader whose loss has been massive this season.

He Was'nt that good.  :-[

Exactly. As I said to a few on Saturday, if £250k gets you someone of the class of Gordon Greer I hope Fitton takes the money and goes and buys someone of that ilk.

Based on the 8-10 times I've actually watched Morrison play, £250k is fucking daylight robbery on our part - a very average league one player yet to string any sort of consistency or quality together, the 'youth' excuse only cuts the mustard for so long - he's played enough to not be considered a novice. Great deal for us.

Was reading on another forum that the deal includes Simon Church and Hal Robson Kanu coming on loan for the rest of the year. Now, if that happened, I'm sure that it would sweeten the blow for some!

I'm sure there's more chance of Dean Ashton signing

HRK i can see happening and would like but i cant see simon church joining as hes getting regular football with them 9 starts and 15 sub apps scoring 4 goals

also a reading supporter i know says if we do get any on loan it will either be michail antonio, scott davies or abdullah bell-baggie

Heh! heh!




I'd love it if that name is correct 8)

So ... he's gone for some reading practice;

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10341~2269856,00.html

No details of any loan players coming this way though as part of the deal

Why would there be? They met the release clause, they had nothing more to do

He might as well do that, as he's not going to get in the first team any time soon.

The best bit, and I do hope it is someone mischeivious, is the heading directly below. " STFC player January sale now on"!!!!

bell-baggie was on loan at Crawley. Came on against us in the first cup match. First thing he did was dribble the ball out of play. Think He might have fallen over the ball a bit later on as well. Certainly did not look like a footballer.

Strange thing for McDermott to say "We had an opportunity to do the deal in this month and this month only"

http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10306~2269149,00.html

fair play to Morrison for saying thanks to Swindon etc. Does seem a bit odd saying "we had this month only" That said, I think what he means is, if they didnt meet the release clause, he would have gone somewhere else in the Summer.

good luck Sean

Probably because its the January transfer window and come the next one Morrison would be out of contract?

Not that, that would stop them with loans with a view and all that?

That abdulai bell-baggie doesn't seem much kop from what I saw against crawley and have heard from reading fans.

By all accounts, antonio is a decent player and did well for soton last year. Problem is he's a central midfielder and we already have enough trouble accomadating 3 decent players in doug, ferry and prutton. Timlin can leave for all I care!

Who is scott davies and where does he play? Was he on loan at wycombe as a striker?

scott davies was on loan at aldershot on two occasions scored 20 plus goals from midfield. Michail antonio is a right winger according to my reading supporting friend

I'd love to sign Bell-Baggie just for the puns thread it would spawn.

Antonio is a very quick right winger.Scott Davies is a central midfielder who has a good shot on him,
scored quite a few from distance.

So, neither of them are strikers or centre backs.

nope but one could replace jpm. Ingimarsson has been mentioned though

Saints fans rated Antonio. The way JP is playing i'd have here and play him out wide. Davies is interesting. He scores goals from midfield. We don't have that at all. I'd probably take both if they are loan deals tbh. We need the permanent deals to be strikers and centre backs and the loans to bolster the options we currently have in other positions.

Well if one can replace JP thats great news. That will help our leaky defence and goal shy attack no problem.

Ingimarsson hasnt played a game since last March.

Ingimarsson played at Doncaster last saturday.He captained the side.

Ha, he hadnt played that game when I checked on friday when he got mentioned.

Ok, 1 game in 10 months and he captained their side, doubt that means he's on the list of players they are willing to loan out.

Fitton said in his interview last saturday that whilst Danny might want certain Reading players,
if they're 1st team squad players it might not be possible to get them on loan.

He also said that with good working relations with Reading, it wouldn't just be for this season that
we might get loan players,it could be for next season as well.

they have just signed morrison which might mean ingimarsson is not needed

or more likely if anyone, we'll get Morrison on loan.

That'll shore our defence up, Championship defender experienced at our level.

which would you prefer? Ingimarsson will bring experience and he is known to score a few

Well of course id prefer Ingimarsson.

I expect Reading do to.

Anyone else see that the Beeb reported a last minute bid from another Championship club?  Wonder what happened?  Wonder if they refused to meet the clause...?

Just heard his interview on the BBC, fucking hell Sean, cut back on the fags mate.

Haha. The whole interview was quite amateur... I liked the little dig/shit questioning when he asked Morrison if the Reading facilities were better than Swindon's.

D'uh.

He just admitted to basically being tapped up. It happens in football but surprising to actually hear a player come out and say it.

Bump.

Friends with a Reading fan, been in a car crash apparently. His subaru smashed into a corsa.

What's that got to do with Morrison, hope your friend is alright!

What a strange post.

Was it posted and removed?  i was quite happy with my sarcasm, and it did totally deserve that round of applause!

Deleted it himself.

I'm giving him a better username.

Now he's deleted his account? or was that someone else? What a weird fellow

im confused

Someone with the username Swindon Town FC signed up, made three posts very quickly, deleted one of them. I checked his profile and he had the same ip address as a user STFCROB, and had the name rob in his email address so pmed him asking if he's forgotten his log in details or something. He said that wasn't him, and now he's deleted his own account.

A bizarre half hour in the land of the TEF.

I'd go for a lie down.

I did. Just about over the excitement now.

Could we stalk him as a kind of forum game.

Let's do to him what the gayers forum did to the Stockport fan! TEF was put on this earth to ruin lives!

ip address? haha