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Has anybody heard of theese? They're a group that "Peacefully enjoy cream teas and quite dark picnics" and alows teddies of all races/religions to join to attend theese gatherings.

Views?

They are cunts young fella.

what a pile of toss

I find that hard to believe. They are a bunch of racist wankers crispy.

Their record suggests otherwise - every demo they've held has ended in a riot
I'm sure my Jewish granddad who proudly fought the Nazis in WWII would have felt more than happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with this stalwart defender of liberty
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At best, drunken yobs out for a scrap with Muslim youth; at worst (their "leaders"), a mix of various hooligan "firms", BNP, hardcore Nazis and ex-Combat 18.

The leaders have said that they are totally anti-nazi, but that cant control who comes on the demos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkKmzNpUBM4

Bollocks

As Tans says, "Bollocks". Or "they would say that wouldn't they?" Their leaders ARE Nazis. To give just one example (and there's lots) their "top boy" went under the pseudonym of Tommy Robinson until recently when he was outed as violent criminal, BNP member and ex-convict (jailed for assaulting a police officer) Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

Didn't know that  ???

I don't know how anyone can say the BNP are Nazis. Some people just get taken in by all the media propaganda ::)

Not sure if your being sarcastic, but i agree with that to a certain extent. Also about the Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, it's only been posted on a Far-Left website, where as im sure if it was true the media would jump all over it. Not if it is on a national site, appologies i just cnt seem to find it  :)

What, like rules on their very own website saying that only caucasians are allowed as members?. You mean that kind of media propaganda?

I watched a documentary about these and it seems that the bloke who founded it wanted nothing but to make a dignified stand against militant Islam in our country, which is fair enough in my eyes as the majority olf those cunts are all for UK getting run Fariah Law. There were even people of different ethnicities marching with them.

Unfortunately, it attracts a lot of the idiots that we associate with this kind of thing, Skin 'eds etc. He was really gutted when violence erupted at one of their meets because it was a small minority that ruined the demonstration and gave the movement a bad name when they werent even members

Which is exactly the attitude that they prey upon to gain support. It wasn't that long ago that the likes of BNP where in bed with the muzzies citing that they promoted strong family values. This helped them gain support for their racist agenda of course. Now that the muzzies are public enemy #1, they use anti-muslim sentiment as a platform to gain further support.

All of their policies having nothing but a racist agenda which are often dressed up to seem reasonable and common sense.

If you're really that naive, I've got a used car I'd like to sell you. And Mike Diamandis would like a chat about some investment opportunities he's sure you'd be interested in.

Meanwhile, here's some more EDL biogs:

Jeff Marsh: A 44-year-old convicted football hooligan from Barry, South Wales, Marsh is a Cardiff supporter and has been jailed three times for violence, including a two-year sentence for stabbing two Manchester United fans. He claims to have a degree in criminal justice and has written a book on Welsh hooliganism. He set up the English and Welsh Defence League but appears to be less influential in the current EDL. He attended the protest in Birmingham.

Chris Renton: A BNP activist from Weston-super-Mare, Renton helped set up the EDL website. When his political links to the BNP emerged the EDL publicly distanced itself from him but he remains an important player behind the scenes. He attended the recent Birmingham protest. His brother is also involved.

Leisha Brooks: From Southend, Brooks appeared to play an organising role in the Birmingham demonstration, though she did have a pair of knuckledusters confiscated by police on the day. She is friendly with underworld figures such as Dave Courtney, Carlton Leech and Mitch Pyle, son of the gangster Joey Pyle, and also knows Jason Marriner, a Chelsea Headhunter hooligan made famous by the television documentary series, MacIntyre Undercover.

The violent criminal wife-beater? Sorry, did I miss out the bit that the copper he attacked was trying to defend "Tommy Robinson"'s partner from a domestic violence incident

Erm, no they're not. The Express, Mail et al keep trying to make out that all Muslims are slavering fanatics who'd lop off everyone's hands quicker than you can say "burka" but it's just not true.

Ah bless. Having set up an organisation that specifically targeted known far-right and football hooligan groups to create an anti-Muslim street army, who'd have thought that a whole load of people like him would turn up and start attacking everyone in sight, including the coppers? He must have been really "gutted"

Yep, the video i posted earlier is the leader, he is beasically saying if your racist or here to cause trouble fuck off, because we're trying to make a difference.

Heh! heh!






yeah 8) :fishing:


 

Although where does it actually say that only Causcasians can join? I've only had a quick glance at their site but I'm pretty sure they're not that blatant.

The trouble it that a lot of what they say strikes a note with a hell of a lot of people in this country today (most people on here if they are honest) who feel disenfranchised and alienated. Luckily most people can see though them for what they are though.

Politicians and Society in general hava a lot to answer for in creating an environment in which the BNP can flourish.

It was in their constitution until a few months ago when they were forced, by legal action by the Equality Commission, to rewrite it. The rewritten version is now also being challenged by the Equality Commission as in breach of the original ruling

Does he talk about how he did time for beating up a copper who was trying to stop him beating crap out of his missus? Thought not

Nope, but i can't find any website apart from far-left ones that says Tommy is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon  ???

He admitted it on his facebook page FFS. How desperate are you?

What Facebook page? The Stephen Yaxley-Lennon one that was fake? :/

Look im not desperate atall, just wanted to have a saturday morning debate type thing  :)

No the "Tommy Robinson" one - he posted this after the videos/pics that showed his face (he'd always appeared masked up before then) and so exposed him as Yaxley-Lennon were put all over YouTube (by other EDL founders he'd fallen out with, incidentally, not the "far left"

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A debate incidentally does require all parties to accept the known facts, otherwise it's just you sticking your fingers in your ears and going "Nah, nah, nah, not listening, not listening, the EDL are just the WI with beer, Nah, Nah"

Not atall, thats why when you posted about Stephen Yaxley-Lennon i said i didn't know about it!

And, as far as facebook goes, im not saying it isnt true, but anyone could be anyone!

They're just pissed up lads from footy mostly.

Whilst this is true, in alot of pictures theres a fair few women, and theres also a womans division?

Catch up fella, last years news.

 :cunt:

I get the feeling you don't like Muslims Crispy?

And just to add about Sharia Law (Fariah Law hee hee), it's only used for arbitration purposes in the UK, that's to settle family and financial disputes. There is absolutely no way the UK would adopt Sharia Law in entirety unless it suddenly became a Muslim state, which is not going to happen.

So the EDL's entire 'philosophy' is a crock of shit. Unsurprisingly and just like the EDL, the organisers pick on a issues which some people have genuine concerns about but little factual knowledge, in order to gain support. These groups simply exist because certain people don't like particular races i.e. are racist.

How would one feel if a group of black/Jewish/Muslim/Whoever started a peaceful protest about your race or beliefs? I'd be fucking livid.

Not that i agree with these types of group but to be fair paul you have slandered these guys as Nazi's and BNP members. Where in truth only one of those bios mention the BNP.

Whether we like it or not these groups will get stronger as long as whoever is in goverment keeps fucking people over.

Having just read the Eminem thread... I'll say this, Crispy.

Be smart, don't be a retard.

To be slander, it would have to be untrue :) I said they were Nazis/BNP, hooligans and violent criminals. The bios show all those elements, albeit not all in the same ones. There's plenty of others with KKK/BNP/far-right/hooligan links, I just picked out a few to make the point it wasn't just "Tommy Robinson"

Not extremists nope :(

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So you joining then?

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 ;)

Wonder if Crispy has gone Dudley today...  :hmmm:

You will get idiots in every walk of life..all organised parties etc will get there full share of vile people.
Lets face it for years so called normal people who believed in the Irish cause thaught it ok to go around killing and mutilating British men woman and children.
I am not anti anyone but i do feel that if i have to live within the British law then so should everyone....so Sharia Law should not be allowed in ANY transgresion against our laws however trivial it may seem.......it would open up a massive can of worms regarding other people wanting to dish out law according to how they see it.....and not how the British law has it.
My feeling is traveling around the country is that most Muslims and indeed all beliefs love this country and are proud to stick to the laws and ways we all do....indeed i get the feeling they are sick to death of the small minority who seem hellbent on causing trouble.

HAHAHAHA Had to post this. Sorry Crispy x

There was another party around from the 30's to 1945  that had a womens division there may be a clue there?

Was gonna go but mummy wouldn't let me  :( :(

But far-right white extremists are OK? ::)

Not at all.

Too young to understand Paul..

How old is Paul?  :)

Haha you know what I mean

:D I'm quite well-preserved for my age

Not pickled then Paul?

And smoked :)

There protest today was full of twats apprently.

Apprently; 1 dead, 3 in hospital with stab wounds.

Oh my.

Makes a change

Muzzie twats..

"It now seems fairly definite that a woman was killed when Muslims deliberately ran over EDL demonstrators."

I'm sure this comes from a well-respected source?

Or perhaps it's on football-rumours.co.uk?

Bet you're gutted you couldn't go now :)

Crispy you are the twat. Please leave.  :bye:
Don't worry guys not all us young people are the same as him. Most of us aren't gullible and naive enough to think that everyone of a certain faith/ethnic group has exactly the same views.

Never said that, have clearly said "extriemests".

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/breaking-uk-bloodbath-riots-in-dudley-muslim-gangs-attacking-people.html

Did you even receive an education?

If your refering to my spelling, you will get used to it ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-black-country-10674271

Actually Crispy nobody even died. But you were gullible enough to believe that story.  :smugfu:

I clearly said apprently you smug cunt.

Oooh touchy.  ;)

 :cunt:

* apparently

Wow you really are as thick as pig shit.

Just because crispy's opinions are based on a mix of stupidity, lack of knowledge and bollocks, doesn't mean that they're less valid then anybody else's.

I think the point people are trying to make is that the EDL is just as bad as the extremists they appear to oppose.

If you believe the crap of extremists, either Caucasian, Black, Asian, or tagged on to a religion then you've been brainwashed as much as an Islamic extremist. Will a peaceful protest stop a terrorist bomber? What a waste of time and police time. I'd rather the taxes I pay which go to the police were used to hunt down terrorists than police a daft protest.

That's my opinion of the matter anyway.

::) My opinions are based on a world wherre when i grow up i dont want to be surround by danger.

See that's the problem with relying on "reports" from racist blogs, they're full of shit.

If you'd bothered to check the local paper, you'd see there's no mention of "Muslim riots", just the usual EDL yobs distinguishing themselves by chucking bricks and bottles at the coppers. For a supposedly "peaceful" anti-Muslim group they seem to spend a lot of time (like every time they're allowed to gather in public) attacking the police.


http://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/8278277.LIVE_UPDATE___Trouble_flares_at_EDL_rally/?ref=mr

Or this from the Birmingham Post:
Maybe if you got more of your news from proper reporters instead of believing any old shit you read on far-right blogs, you wouldn't come across as such a gullible tit

By joining the EDL you would only be adding to the danger for other people.

Unlucky. It's a dangerous place, always has been, always will be. Lapping up crap from Nazis who start riots everywhere they go isn't likely to make it any safer.

This

Exactly crispy. Your opinion is completely valid. It doesn't matter that you've got no grasp of the  levels, causes and reality of this perceived danger. You shouldn't let liberal boffin bull-shit like information and facts get in the way of your views.

I guess i just have more patriotic views and don't want to see england go down the pan.

Don't get me wrong, the EDL do have yobs who cause shite where ever they go, but on the whole i agree with the concept without the riots they cause.

I love you Ben

Fuck right off. How dare you claim that because you're a naive fucking idiot who's been taken in by some right-wing yobs as bad as the extremists they claim to oppose, that that makes you more patriotic? You gullible, arrogant little gobshite.

The righteous one has spoken...

Oh how i missed you

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more likely to force my head into colliding with a desk, Ironside shows up. This should occupy most of Paul's evening.

I wondered how long it would be before our resident Nazi turned up to defend the rioting hoolie scum

Nope. Laptop going off now, so it doesn't

Prehaps im not more patriotic, im not even a member of the EDL, was just interested in it and wanted the views of the TEF  ;)

Crispy you're digging yourself into an ever deepening hole.  :)

I'm not digging atall, i was just wondering people views  :) which is what i said at the very start of the post.

Right on a serious note this is where people go wrong in my opinion of course.

How old is crispy? 16 max isn't it?

Instead of giving him a reasoned argument he is getting abuse left right and centre. Ok some may say the are being reasonable but to a 16 year you old you are coming across as patronising old cunts if i'm to be honest.

Have a quick read back through the thread and look at what abuse he is getting. He personally may not be racist etc but as soon as you start telling people they are no different to those people he is not gonnalisten to a simple word you say.

I've dished out most of the abuse. But I'm also 16, so I'm allowed to.

I don't think that's fair DRS, there were a fair few posts back a couple of pages with details of the EDL; their views; their history; and their membership, mixed with a couple about sharia law and stuff.

I think anyway. I'm haven't reread the thread. I'm not saying it was put across in a particularly understanding way.

Sharia Law hasn't affected me in any way whatsoever and it won't ever. The UK justice system will not adopt Sharia Law.

This renders the 'concept' of the EDL pointless.

That just shows how unpatriotic you are.

Maybe i worded it a bit wrong i'm not great at getting my point across.

Crispy for all we know may genuinly be concerned about extremist muslims etc and just want us to be a bit safer(in his mind) he may have had the intention of going there today and peacefully marching through the streets yet because he does people are instantly saying they are racist blah blah.

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THIS IS CRISPY

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Fuck me i've lost some weight, and am now a man of god.

I think the thread has degenerated a bit, but it's probably because they don't want a fellow forum member caught up in trouble and perhaps getting brainwashed by people who get their shits and giggles through a bit of aggro.

Being opposed to extremism is good, but personally I don't see how a protest or an organisation will stop that, other than the police, MI5 and MI6.

Picking on particular mosques is not going to resolve the issues.
Telling Islamic Extremists they are bad and they should not be involved in their activities is not going to resolve the issues.
Speaking on behalf of other Muslim people when you don't understand their culture or beliefs is not going to resolve the issue.
It'll only add fuel to the fire and make things worse.

See I still don't think that's fair. For every "fuck you racist" post, there's one which argues about the stupidity that these views and organisations are based on. Sometimes in the same post to be fair.

Yeah there's a lot of hostility, but not much more than you'd get on a thread about people complaining that Greer has left, which is quite impressive considering the emotiveness of the subject.

There's definitely been more than enough stuff posted for crispy not to make retarded posts about being more patriotic than everybody else.

Not that it bothered me much, I'm always a bit suspicious about patriotism. I didn't really have much control over where I was born, seems a bit of a desperate thing to take massive pride in.

To be fair Ben i didn't say every post is like that but the ones who seem to have the big issues are the ones calling him a cunt etc.

He is a 15/16 child is obviously easily led and doesn't have a clue what the real picture is and by the looks of it will learn the hard way.It just seems that the ones on here who seem to know more about these sort of things just always retort to sarcasm and petty insults.

As long as it doesn't effect his camera work and we get decenrt youyube vids i don't care.

I don't make friends very often, on here anyway,  but i like you


No suprise, you're hardly gonna become a believer in Allah are you.

And what bollocks did you say about britain going down the pan, you're a kid, what other britain have you seen? I'm 21 and i don't know a different britain than the one we have now (well, without the money problems) As far as you're concerned, this place has always welcomed Immigrants, you don't know any different. You probably just think it's cool. What's so dangerous about this country, it's only you're own thoughts that make you think it's dangerous because of your prejudice views - not every Pakistani/muslim/asian knows how to build a bomb - and i bet the ones who do are probably English and retaliating against people like you - you expect it, so they should deliver, right?

One thing i do hate though, double fucking standards. If they want to live here they should abide by our fucking laws, not get their visas and say 'this place is shit, i want muslim laws in place' - if british law wants all head-dresses to be removed because dirty chavs keep robbing the corner shop, then they should abide by it, like that couple who got done for kissing in a muslim country - if they don't like it, then they shouldn't come over in the first place.

You heard of the Monster Raving Looney party Flopsy Crispy, they're more a childs party

A point about this Sharia business: under the law of the land, any two parties in a civil disupte can agree to any third party to arbitrate over their case.  Whether they decide to go to ACAS, flip a coin, go to the US and get on Judge Judy, or use Sharia law - its up to them, as long as they both agree to the terms of reference at the start.  I don't really see the problem.

To be honest I don't really disagree with any of that. It's a hard line to draw though, people get moaned at for just being dismissive and insulting, yet also get moaned out for dragging threads into pages of 'off on a tangent' political discussion.

I'm sure that if crispy's really interested about the in depth politics behind movements like the EDL then he'll get more information that he'll ever want or need from a quick PM to lumps or paulD, or even TalkTalk or Ironside for a different opinion.

I think that it's natural when you're 15/16 for your views to be pretty reactionary, and a nationalistic tint is an attractive option because it also gives you something to belong to by definition.

I look back at some of the opinions I had when I was that age and I find them baffling now, but exploring your views and beliefs is something that you do as you grow up to find out who you are/want to be.

I'm sure crispy will look back in a few years and wonder what the fuck he was thinking.

Does that go for the sexy pink jumper too? :)

nobody regrets sexy pink jumpers.

10-ish years ago i can say there was alot less people walking around in burka's

You got some figures to back that up?

10 years ago I couldn't get one for love no money, but now I can.

You're right Nemo, they'll go the way of the yo-yo and tamagotchi soon enough.

When I was your age it was the IRA Crispy and that had been going on for years. The Manchester Bombings in 1996 was probably the first bit of significant terrorism on home soil that I can remember or was at least fully aware of (I was 11 at the time).

The London bombings were an equal shock 9 years later. This time a group of nutters with backpacks.

If it's not Islamic Extremists it will be someone else. It just proves that there probably hasn't been a degradation of safety in this country.

Somewhere in here there's potential for a good discussion about perception vs. reality in the public's view of the state of the country, along with the media's role and (ir)responsibility. I'm far to pissed for such depth though.

Maybe we should ban Backpacks.

And shoes :)

I was just typing that Si but thought it was a bit predictable.  :)

As I said earlier, the poor fella is too young to understand.

Why am i?  :hmmm:

You're naive and gullible mate.

I'm not being patronizing

Ok.

If you drink in the winners, mines a cider...

You can get me one  :)

because you were 5 or 6, still watching teletubies and you didn't look out for them. Your head back then was in cuckoo-land (and still is in a way) wanting to know when the ice-cream man is coming round next, or when your dads going to buy your next playstation game; now you notice different things because your mindset has changed - you notice them because you want to notice them because you want to make a point about them.

2 years ago i couldn't tell you about all the fancy logos we have on clothes, but now i've been 'educated' in what is 'cool' i spot them and can distinguish between them - but that doesn't mean they weren't there two years ago...i just wasn't bothered

Regardless wether or not i was looking out for them, has the number of muslims in england increased in the past 10 years?

Im not sure of the answer, but i think it has.

I know for a fact there are now more kfcs in oxford than there was 2 years ago, it's ace

Hope this helps

...how many are extremists?

I doubt even 5% of the UK population is Muslim

There are definitely more EDL members/supporters than there were 10 years ago. This worries me much more.

Quality thread. Just read through the whole thing on an iPhone which took a while. Crispy google "EDL guardian" cos the guardian have done a 10min film on the EDL including undercover footage. It's quite interesting.

Crispy,you really are a gormless cunt. Racists are racists. Hitler claimed he was protecting his people from the evils within. This is what this bunch of pricks are doing. We are facing uncertain economic times and these sick, ignorant cunts are preying on the same worries that Hitler did. Grow up. I've enjoyed reading this forum in recent months, I'm not a plastic but a season ticket holder and I can't believe this type of fascist nonsense still gets believers. Right, rant over and time to call me a cunt...

Welcome to the forum, you  :cunt:

Now, how am i a racist for not liking certain aspects of a FAITH group?  :)

Cunt :D

Go easy on crispy  he's a
Young lad that's easily led by the looks of it

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh go easy on cwispppyyy

Found it, incase anybody else is interested, think this is the video Spy's on about;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/28/english-defence-league-guardian-investigation

Cheers mate. My USB wireless thing is broken so I can't get on the net on my desktop atm. Well annoying.

Quite interesting actually, shows fighting from the edl, but also says at a protest well over half of the arrests were UAF.

And patronised by a cunt like you.

If anyone is brave or foolish enough to say there are to many foreignerrs in this country.  Then they are immediatly called racists. 
The truth of the matter is New Labours policy of letting all and sundry into the country cost them big time.  Every anti Labour vote was a racist vote? 
Do you remember Brown calling that Labour voter a bigot.  No thought or understanding of what she was trying to say.  Straight in with name calling. I wonder if he regrets that?
Can't wait to see the immagration quotos impossed on the non common market nationals. Wont happen, can't happen and don't get me started on the burka and the new theory that London is no longer part of the United Kingdom.
Well that's my rant over.

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Flag is coverd but i've seen it on facebook, its a "Swindon Infidels" flag, and the bloke at the front, Wiltshire Division.

Didn't realise there was many about in wiltshire EDL wise  :hmmm:

They handed out flyers last season

The EDL say they are about opposing Islamic extremists. Pretty much everyone is against Islamic extremists so this enables them to attract a lot of support and makes them distinct from the BNP and the standard right wing groups.

BUT the big problem with them is that most of them don't like all muslims and many of them just don't like asians.

That's the impression I've got anyway. If you were just opposing islamic extremists then thenumber of islamic extremists in the uk is very small and there's certainly no point (or need) to organise big street demonstrations against them.

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http://jwarren.co.uk/photos/protest/edl-dudley/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=social-media

peacefull protests ahoy!

Haha the polo shirts are proper gay. They remind me of groups of students on a pub crawl.

An enjoyable read for an early Sunday morning.

Crispy, I'm a young man in my mid-twenties, but my dad is 46 and he says the world has always been a dangerous place. You think it's dangerous now, because of a tiny number of Muslim extremists (Who can't even get large support from their own communities?) Good job you weren't a teenager in any part of the 20th Century! Two World Wars, a Cold War (With the threat of it escalating into a nuclear war) along with countless 'conflicts', not to mention the number of active terrorist groups. Do you really think the world, or this country, was any safer then?

People are people, whatever their colour or belief system, and you get a small percentage of nutters in any large group: it doesn't make that group 'bad'. The problem occurs when the percentage within that group is greater than the sane, rational number.

Muslims (Whether in this country, or abroad) - Most are normal, everyday people like you and me. They have jobs, families, hobbies. They worry about paying bills and saving up to buy the things they want. Just like us. A miniscule percentage are extremists; driven by either their own delusions, stupidity, or craving to belong to some dangerous, edgy group which will make them look 'well hard'.

The EDL - Some are normal, everyday people like you and me. They have jobs, families, hobbies. They worry about paying bills and saving up to buy the things they want. Just like us. Most are extremists; driven by either their own delusions, stupidity, or craving to belong to some dangerous, edgy group which will make them look 'well hard'.

The AFL - Are either a group associated with a stupid game played in North America, or people who are concerned with the rise of racism. Some are normal, everyday people like you and me. They have jobs, families, hobbies. They worry about paying bills and saving up to buy the things they want. Just like us. Most are Left-wing liberal pinko's who wear stupidly long scarves and eat copious amounts of lentils. Some just want to hit other people and feel that hitting other people as an anti-facist is cooler than hitting people as a facist.

My view on it all? It's August 7th soon, stick to watching Swindon and let greater minds than ours (Lumps, Pauld, Ironside, et al) debate the rights and wrongs of everything.

 You joining a group, that's in the main made up of brain-dead, knuckle-dragging, pissed-up arseholes, won't change the world. But it might end up changing you. And not for the better.

Herthab's Sunday sermon is now over.

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Now Crispy, don't you go believing what some of the politically biased posters say on here. After all, the leftie control freak, your Uncle Pauld has failed to notify you of the affiliations and criminal backgrounds of certain members of the UAF because it doesn't fit in with his political agenda. You are quite right in being concerned about the growing influence of Islam at 'street level' on our culture. Sharia Law does exist, albeit not officially, and it's proponents wish to establish it to an ever increasing degree. Late on Friday night I took a 23 year old Asian girl to our local A&E. I've known her for about 2 years. She used to be attractive. Yes Crispy, Sharia Law does exist, and we have some thinking to do. Your's, posh West Lavington boy.

Hammer is non-biased Crispy. Listen to him for well-reasoned opnion.

Very true Crispy. I work for a company which comprises between 30% to 40% Muslims. I have lived, for the last 14 years in a community comprising approximately 60% Muslims. I wonder how many TEFers are able to share the same experience.

I lived in Southall for a number of years, where the asian population is the 2nd largest in the UK. As my previous post suggested, most people I met were normal, law-abiding citizens. Are you telling me that your experiences within the Muslim community you reside are any different?

If so, you are a liar and a dangerous one. To demonise a whole religon on the basis of a small number of extremists is counter-productive and could actually increase the number of fanatics within the Muslim community.

It's a pointless debate. Everyone has made up their minds on what they believe and no-one will listen to any other viewpoint. I'm going to have some toast and pray for World peace and harmony.

I mentioned nothing with regard to 'law abiding' citizens or 'extremists'. I stand to be corrected but I thought the majority of Asians in Southall were actually Bangladeshi or Indian, in which case Sharia Law wouldn't apply.

The number of Mosques in the area would suggest you are incorrect.

As to Sharia Law. The number of interpretations this has is as great as the number of interpretations The Bible has and, like The Bible, has been adapted by extremists to fit their own warped views.

Islamic extremists are no worse/better than Christian extremists. The difference being the media would rather portray those pesky brown skinned people as dangerous rather than the nice old couple next door who remind you of your grandparents.

That and mostly it's the Christian extremists who hold the greatest sway in the American media. God bless globisation.   

Fuck off, have you watched any of the Christian characters in any soaps? They're all fucking mental! Whore-shagging, wife-strangling body-dumping weirdos.

Your from West Lavington?

Anyway, I don't know why, but Muslims/Extriemists kind of made me think of a football club this morning, any football club. You've got your main core of the fans, who are fine, go to games and sing or just sit and enjoy the game but don't cause any trouble. Then you have a minor few who go for trouble, kind if like religion where its only a small minority who cause the trouble.

But regardless, the small minority need to be stopped  :)

And so just how do you and the EDL propose to do that crispy? By throwing bricks at coppers, that'll learn them.

I think you'll find that the security forces are well aware of the problem already. Now if only those extremists would be kind enough to let themselves be known. In the meantime let's just target all muzzies incase, innit.

Never said EDL were the sole cause to the problem, they're just voicing there opinion, and in football club terms, i'd say there about 50/50 on the Fans/Hooli's line maybe more.

What the.....

Get back on track. What is it exactly that the EDL propose to do about Muslim extremists? What is it about their policies that you feel will help deal with the problem?

How do you think that been a part of the EDL will help to solve the terrorist threat?

If people make enough noise, i hope our government will stand up and do something. France have banned the Burkha  ???

How does telling people what they can/can't wear help?

Oh and so the government are doing nothing. MI5, MI6, FBI, CIA et al are all sat around with their thumbs up their arses because they are blissfully unaware of the problem. Right you are then, maybe a bunch of thugs with bricks and knives can enlighten the worlds most advanced security forces.

Oh, and the French banned the Bhurka because they consider it to be oppressive to women, their decision has fuck all to do with extremism.

Probably so they can't hide their bombs Ben. They are clearly all packing semtex.

What exactly is the "something" that you hope the government will do? Terrorism is already illegal, you know. And extremist Islamic groups deemed to be promoting/supporting terrorism are already proscribed, with the powers in place to proscribe others as and when the government sees fit.

And how does a bunch of hooligans chucking bricks and bottles at the coppers further whatever aims it is you think they have?

Incidentally do you even know WHY the EDL were rioting in Dudley yesterday?

Something? Be careful who they let into the country, granted people don't come up to them and say "HI IM GONNA BLOW YOU UP IF YOU LET ME IN" But surely there can be more checks?

Football Hooliganism has NOTHING to do with it, was just thinking and compared it to a small number of idiots in a good group of people, and yes; they were protesting against a super mosque being built.

In other news, the Catholic Church managed the other day to come out with a proclamation amounting the to ordination of women Bishops to systematic child abuse and the covering up there of.

Just to remind me, they're the good guys, yeah?

Actually they were protesting against plans for a mosque which were abandoned weeks ago. Fucking idiots. Unless of course the mosque was just a pretext all along and they actually just like stirring up shit and having a good ruck. Which is precisely what we've been trying to tell you.

I know you've been trying to tell me that EDL like a fight and causing shit, but not all members of the EDL do. EDL do have members who are normal people just protesting, expressing there freedom.

Well fuck me. A 16 year old kid has all the answers needed to solve world terrorism, get on the blower to Obama and Cameron immediately. "Be careful who they let into the country", I bet they had never thought of that!

I admit I am ignorant to these riots yesterday but if they were protesting about a mosque being built..... WHY? What exactly, crispy, is wrong with a mosque?

No, they are all wankers and in my opion, all religion should be banned for the scam that it is.

Science is where it's at.

Their track record would suggest otherwise. And how do you know that anyway? Because they said so on their YouTube video?

So all the Women/Kids older generations go to fight?

Bangkok, i've never said there was anything wrong with a mosque?

Go to fight what, fight whom? Where are they exactly?

You do know that the 7/7 attackers were from Leeds? And that most of the plots the security services have foiled over the past 10 years or so (which as others have repeatedly pointed out is actually the way to defeat terrorists, not chucking bricks at coppers) have involved British citizens? That includes the increasing amount of far-right nutters caught with explosives, ricin etc. Why aren't you worried about those terrorists?

And how does protesting against plans for a mosque that have already been abandoned help in any way make the country safer? (Even if they just protested instead of rioting) It's just an excuse for anti-Muslim riots, you may be young and naive but surely you can be honest enough with yourself to see that the reasons you've stated for backing the EDL simply don't stack up with what they do.

But that was the whole focus of the EDL riots yesterday - to stop plans for a mosque that have already been abandoned. So what in your opinion was the point of yesterday's rioting?

I agree with you, no fucking point what so ever.

Re-read it, i said they don't fight..

For what it's worth I don't like people wearing veils/burqas I find it rude and it makes me a bit edgy. But it in no way is any different to me than a bunch of youths in hoodys/hoodies and scarves trying to look hard. I bet I know the group most likely to get in trouble with the law.

Go out there and talk to some Muslim people. Quite honestly if you mention Al-Qaeda, the EDL or extremism then they'll more than likely treat each with the same amount of disgust, at least in my experience.

As for immigration policy, the Government has already stated it will cap non-EU immigration. We're not going to be suddenly awash with nutters from Pakistan (for example).

So why didn't the leadership of the EDL call off what was always going to be a pointless protest (in terms of it's stated aims)? Because the stated aims were never the real aims of the protest, they were just an excuse. You keep saying that it's just a few loonies on the edge that cause the trouble, while the leaders look on in despair (yeah right, their own track records of street fighting show they'd hate that), yesterday's riot not being called off weeks ago tells it's own story. It's not just a few nutters on the edge who want to stir up shit, ruck with Muslim youth and the cops, that's the whole point of the bloody organisation from the leadership down.

Its not a few nutters, there's a fair few and i agree with that, but that doesnt mean ALL the members are there to fight.

I love this forum.

My question was about the leadership. If their agenda was NOT to ruck with Muslim youth and police why did they not call off yesterday's riot when it was clear that plans for the mosque which was supposed to be the reason for the demo had been abandoned?

Maybe to give there support to the people of Dudley? Maybe because if they backed out they wouldnt of got called whimps or whatever? Maybe beacuse they fancied a trip out to get absolutely fucking and start fights?

I don't know the answer, nor do you.

Crispy - you should join the EDL if you want (don't let your Mum tell you what to do). You obviously don't want anything to kick off so do your best to persuade all those trouble makers and hoolies that do fight to stop now. Peaceful protests are where it's at - you should be a steward at the protests; hold them back, fight the violence and stick to your principles

Have you found out that your mum is a big EDL fangirl or something crispy? it seems very important to you that some EDL aren't racist thugs.

Is your Mum nice looking Crispy have you got a piccy?

Reading the local press, it would seem the people of Dudley neither needed nor wanted their "support". Certainly local taxpayers weren't keen on the 6-figure bill for policing yesterday's riot. And I don't imagine the local businesses that boarded up their shops in advance because they knew what the EDL are about from last time were delighted with their "support".
No, but none of that is anything to do with their stated aims is it? I think you can reasonably draw conclusions about any individual/organisation by examining the discrepancy between what they say and what they do. And what the EDL do, consistently, every time they're allowed to march anywhere, is riot, attack the police and when they get the chance Muslim youth. After a while it stops being an unfortunate one-off and becomes more than a coincidence. Face it, the EDL are just a group of anti-Muslim street fighters who like a ruck. Their stated aims are bullshit as yesterday amply proves

So, PaulD your Anti EDL?

Yes. Are you going to answer any of the questions you've been asked? Why are you so desperate to excuse what is obviously an inexcusable mob of yobs?

Especially the one about your mum :)

:D You're competing with Mex and jayohaitchenn for "TEF top groomer"

What questions?  :hmmm:

And my mum? She's comming to Nottingham Forest to collect my season ticket because of card details blah blah.

Well these for a start. What's your agenda?

Don't really have 1, just dont like muslim extriemists.

No, my mum isnt an EDL fan girl.

Im not desperate atall. I just think your wrongly accusing every member of the edl of being a nazi thug.

This thread amuses me greatly. Especially this post:


Even Ironside never got a rise like that from Paul :)

:D Drink may have been taken

Nor do I. Difference is I don't like any extremists. Including (well perhaps especially) far right ones. Like the EDL
No, I've not said they're all Nazi thugs, although a lot of them are. I've said they're all pretty much all hooligans and simply anti-Muslim and that their whole agenda has fuck all to do with their stated aims and is simply to stir shit and fight coppers/Muslims. I think I've provided ample evidence for that. Their own actions mainly. What's your evidence that they're not?

Just yesterday? I'm shocked.

I know a few people what have the same views and attend marches bubt arnt racist thugs.

You didn't clearly say anything other than a prejudiced slur.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a72P5t-sR4

Maybe they're too cowardly to be proper thugs, but they're either increadibly naive / downright retarded, or actually pretty racist. You wouldn't go along supporting a group with the history and membership and attitude of the EDL if you weren't one of those two things.

OK, just morons then. As fb said, you'd have to be a complete fucking donut to go to an EDL march if you weren't looking for a ruck.

Having read through all this, and knowing that attending such a march WON'T achieve anything against Muslim extremists (other than possibly creating some) but WILL result in a riot/set piece scrap with the cops, would you attend one?

If its possible to do so with getting into a ruck, yes.  ;)

Crispy watch that youtube video, it's in 6 parts but you might find it interesting.

Will do!

If you mean that that you are a dick

If you don't mean that and you are just trying to avoid the question, then you are a dick for not answering to a thread that you started.

I s'pose you are still young, there is still time for you yet.

Its the age card and insults everytime, im a dick for something i believe in?

When it comes to racist biggots who want to be violent towards innocent people, then yes.

I've already given the option that maybe you are just a naive young fool, I'd take that if I where you.

Well yes.

You're obviously not a big fan of mulsim extremists. Would you say "oh that chap believes that I should convert to his fundamental view of his religion or be burnt and stoned to death or whatever, but I'm sure he's a jolly nice chap and I don't hold it against him".

You're supporting a group which most people find disgusting, either through your own stupidy, or because you actually agree with them. Either way you're a cunt, or a stupid cunt. It's not just an insult, it's a statement on what you are.

You get upset for us calling you a dick for something you believe in, but you're willing to go on protest marches compaining about the beliefs of others. Maybe you should grow up?

Yeah because i've clearly said i want to be violent towards innocent people haven I?

Do you not wonder crispy why the response to this thread is the way it is?

Only two people have offered any kind of support to the EDL whatsoever, and one of those is a self-confessed member of the BNP. Does that not suggest anything to you?

No but you've clearly said that you support a group that does. So either supporting a group which you fundamentally disagree with, which is fucking stupid. Or you support a group which you know big reason to exist is to go out and fight muslims, in which case you haven't really got a leg to stand on in the no violence thing.


One of the youtube users crispy subscribes to is this odious little cunt...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4GzqSs8CWk

Says a lot really.

Im not BNP at all, he's a friend of mine. I don't have a problem with blacks whites blues pinks, skin colour isnt an issue to me.

The righteousness of the TEF members astounds me.....

Aspiring to go on EDL marches and not expecting a lot of trouble is like going to a brothel and not expecting a dose of chlamydia. naive in the extreme.

I know theres trouble at marches, if i ever go, i just dont intend to get involved.

.

In what way Ironside ?

Don't encourage him. He has been given too many opportunities to spew his hatred in the past already. Just ignore the cunt.

Is ironside bnp?

I don't think it's an age thing Crispy.

There's lot's of EDL members who are in their 30's,40's, 50's.

It's more ignorance than anything.

You're beginning to strike me as someone who wants to be around, or be involved, with people who you percieve to be dangerous, or a bit edgy; such as football hooligans, or these fuckwit protesters.

If that's what you want to do, go for it.

But don't post about it on here, as the majority on the tef think that it's pathetic. A bit sad, you know?

Yes, he is crispy. He has admitted as much himself. In fact he seems proud of it.

Oh Bangkok - stop spoiling my fun !

How else am I to amuse myself whilst watching the golf ?

Watching golf is worse than being in the EDL...

And fancy having a whole league devoted to erectile dysfunction....

I started this thread just wondering about views. And for me its not personally about being around people who seem dangerous.

I'm not even a member of the EDL, just agree with some of the things they stand for.

Like what? Muslin extermists? Fuck me, Everyone disagrees with them, even most muslims!

Why have a group that 'protests' about something that every political party is also opposed to?

What other views of theirs do you agree with? 

The BNP are also against muslim extremists. Would you agree with them?

All we need now is the left wing nutcase Lumpy to chip in with his two penneth worth telling us all about how he used to "bash the fascists" in the 70's and my weeked is complete.

alot of people support the edl, bnp because the main parties appear to do fuck all to sort out the immigration,racial divide problems we have.
it's when you look a bit deeper at those at the top of these organisations that alarm bells ring.

Why drag the BNP into this? They're racist.

I don't support any extreme views.

To me they're all clueless cunts.

No shit Sherlock.

OK then crispy. What, in your own opinion, makes the EDL any different from the BNP? What makes the EDL any less racist?

Do you really want me to answer that?

I think that was the general idea.

I'll answer it.

One is political party that stands for election.

The other isn't.

Whats the difference?

Ones a political party for starters. Up untill recently non-whites were not aloud to join the BNP at all. EDL welcomes all races and religions, exept millitant islam, obviously.

16 pages of the thread going nowhere but round in circles.
it's almost as annoying as the constant shite about cheese and manatees.

I just had cheese and manatee on toast for lunch

This is one of the problems, people that aren't happy with issues in those areas don't have anywhere to turn except organisations such as the BNP and EDL. If the main political parties paid more attention to those issues the need for the BNP, EDl et all would lessen and their membership would shrink.

It's a bit unfair singling out the BNP and EDL for criticism, the groups opposed to them don't have much to be proud of either and the EDL was formed as a direct result of protests by Muslim groups against soldiers returning from the Middle East.

According to TEF law:

Muslim's protesting = Freedom of speech

White people protesting = Racism

Have you watched that thing on youtube yet Crispy?

I have, and towards the end it clearly shows people that just want to peacefully protest in the last dudley march, along with all the cunts fighting, but there are some regular protesters.

Agreed. But it also shows how easy it would be to get caught up in it. I think this is what people are trying to warn you of.

Highlight was when the bloke wheeled out his mixed race daughter to prove he wasn't racist. Hahaha

Even tho it was a bit unintentional Crispy has provoked a debate which has been well interesting. TEF in summer can be interesting!  :eek:

It was intentional, thats why i asked for the TEF's views.

Yeah I know it wasn't an accident just wanted to give credit for making some interesting discussion.

Crispy, don't be swayed by the comments of those who disagree with you. Their deeply entrenched blinkered views usually lead to abusive accusations of being 'a dick', 'too young', 'ignorant', a 'gobshite' etc. Purely on the basis that they disagree with you, yet their views are no more valid or praiseworthy than your own. Oh, I went to school in West Lavington, you know the one I mean.

Just paid a visit to a friend of mine who have new neighbours of a month or two.
Asians of the Ting Tong kind.  Their kids are throwing the agregate off the drive, down the storm water drains.  It's going to be interesting when we get some consistently wet weather.
What I found interesting though was the gaily coloured ribon tied to the guttering and downpipes of the house.  This is to ward of evil spirits and keep a happy home.
It looks odd but as voodoo comes and goes it's good White magic and unlike when I had a paki as a neighbour, my friends don't have an overpowering smell of curry and other spices night and day, seven days a week.

i have an indian family that live near me.the aroma's that come from their kitchen are fantastic.

All a matter of taste of course.

You youngsters have been brought up on spices designed to hide rooten meat and tainted food.  I'm of a generation were  dinners of the British variety meant you were not a nuisance to your surrounding area.

Should of read rotten meat.

See above

Hahahaha!

Yeah because all aromatic and spicy cooking hides rancid meat.

 :fishing:

Curry powder and spices were originally used in countries such as India for that very purpose.

It does not, however, change the fact that trogladite is being a narrow minded cock.

Erm...there's a wonderful little button called 'modify'.

I'm going to start a group to peacefully protest against the  aromas produced by barbecues

Those fucking bay leaves, pollute the neighbourhood you know.

What a fucking stupid comment about rancid and rotten meat....

Fuck me is it 1796 ???

the indian family are vegetarian

Rancid lentils then.

I don't trust people that don't salivate when they smell curry. It's like not liking the smell of vinegar on hot chips.

just ...wrong

People might be concerned that 17 pages in, it's this particular bit of racist ignorance that's prompted me to comment, but I've been on holiday and I'm in quite a relaxed mood.

15 year olds with no clue about anything can't wind me up. Ironside can wank himself dry over the fact that 3 people seem to be as bigoted as him. Don't give a fuck.

But slag off the smell of garam masala - that's out of fucking order.

Praise indeed.  You don't agree with my general thoughts on immigrants so you naturally get abusive.

I realy can't see wanting a limit on all immagration as narrow minded.  I've just got back from a trip to Europe and can't believe the space out there.  We are overcrowded. Electricity cuts in the offing as predicted by Blair.  Water privatisation didn't cure the ageing water delivery, foul water collection systems.
Roads near gridlock, failing infrastructure, inner city schools were English is a foreign language.
All costs money and the wealthy middle class aren't going to pay for it.

Try and get your head around this concept. 

Not everybody thinks like you, not everybody has the same likes as you, in fact.  You've diminished me exactly like a racist would a black.  Maybe you should take time to have a good inward look.  You know take a look at the inner you.

The irony is making my eyes bleed.

Have you ever heard the term "Tongue in cheek"?

Yes I realise that but unless Trogladite was born in the 18th or 19th century I doubt he's ever experienced people using spices for this very reason.

Ahh well, this thread has lost its meaning and turnt into curry.

Was an interesting one though.

How cam you say curry isn't interesting? One of this great nation's favourite dishes. 

It'll get back on topic in a bit.

^

Doubt it  :D

Hardly a debate though is it?

Crispy asked a question and the TEF righteaous brother's rounded on him, ologn with Garry Glitters best mate and all the old "I bashed a fashist" twat's from the 80's.

Not really reprasentative is it?

Listen to what this fella has to say. As a Unite (the union) member and an ex Labour member and activist where/were do I go to voice my concerns?  Certainly not the Labour or Liberal parties.

Oh boo boo, the majority don't agree with my views so I will call some people lefties and say the majority are not representative of the entire forum.

Oh boo boo, the majority don't agree with my views so I will call some people lefties and say the majority are not representative of the entire forum.

Will that be a simple majority of members or just a majority of people who bothered to reply to this thread?

Or England? Who knows, it was quite an ambiguous statement.

What a monumentally silly thing to say. Presumably by the same token "it's a bit unfair" to "single out" Al-Qaeda given the spate of largely failed neo-Nazi bomb/ricin plots over the last decade. Two wrongs and all that?

Not to mention that the thread is about the EDL so is naturally going to focus on their appalling behaviour. Which doesn't in any way excuse the appalling behaviour of Muslim extremists, the IRA, that lot in Darfur, Apple execs in the iPhone 4 debacle, Greer signing for Brighton or the England team's shoddy performance in the World Cup.

Pointing the finger at someone else and saying "Well, they're just as bad" doesn't wash as an excuse for six-year olds

So you are now putting forward a faint possibility as an argument, bit weak don't you thing?

You are suggesting that people who bother to sign up and then bother to log in will not be bothered to post, bit pointless don't you think?. Well, if you are going to use that argument then what about all the people who think that racists and bigots such as yourself are odious wankers but choose to keep quiet?

The word cunt is wasted upon people like you.

bangkok, be careful of your tag line.

least funny alias ever?

Crispy and any other EDL supporters I've got a few questions for you...

Are you against muslims or just against islamic extremists?

In what ways do you feel islamic extremists or the rise in the number of muslims in this country are actually impacting your life?

If muslims want to build a mosque with their own money why shouldn't they be able to do that?

Are you against people wearing burqas?

Bearing in mind what the burqa actually is (the full face veil, not just a head covering) how many times have you actually seen someone wearing this in the UK?

Have you ever seen someone wearing a burqa in Wiltshire?

You make it sound like there is only one burqa. Do they all have to share? No wonder you never see any in Wiltshire.

barry is me new favourite TEFer.  Comedy genius.

Just Islamic extremists

Parts of England are becomming "no go zones" for whites at night, 7/7 bombing should never have the oppertunity to happen again.

Within reason, but can you immagine if we went to a prodominatly muslim country and built a church? I don't really see a problem with mosque's in general, where on a whole the EDL do, this is why i've said on a number of occasions im not a member of the EDL just agree with some of there views.

I'll role the last too questions into one, Yes i have seen a full burqa, where? Walking down Manchester Road.

 :D  :D :D :D

oi colin todd dont smile yeah fam he iz bout da same age as me you get me?

I think that 'muslim' countries might be a bit more forgiving than you think. Pakistan for example has nearly 3million Christians living there. They have churches.

Guess your right, i was thinking more along the lines for Saudi Arabia, but regardless mosques don't overly bother me aslong as they are being used for the right things.

I think that the EDL is an expression of the sense of unease which quite a lot of people feel about the rise in the number of muslims in this country and the fact that as a communitythey are not really integrating with the white majority as much as other groups as much other immigrants in the past have.

This is for two main reasons.

Firstly, due to terrorism from islamic extremists (even tho there's only been one big incident in this country and that was 5 years ago) and the fact the UK armed forces have been deployed in 2 muslim countrys in Iraq and Afghanistan this has made things a bit awkward between muslim immigrants and many non-muslims. It means they don't feel welcome and a lot of people might not like or trust them.

Secondly they have a very different morality/way of life to the majority of people in this country.This country has been getting increasingly liberal and secular for years. We still have churchs and christians but people are used to them anyway. Suddenly you have more muslims with their much stricter morality around and they might be judgemental of our way life (people having random sex, people drinking or doing drugs, people gambling, women wearing revealing clothes).

For the above two reasons they aren't integrating in the same way that for example black immigrants did when they came over in big numbers. This creates an us and them mentality in a lot of people. I'm not saying everything went smoothly with black immigrants integrating but as they didn't have a really strict distinct religion/morality that made things easier.


There are several possible responses to this sense of unease/lack of integration...

1) Limit the number of immigrants. This is already happening but a lot of people would like more restriction on levels of immigration. We can debate whether this is a good idea or what the level of restriction should be.

2) Encourage greater communication/trust between communities which will lead to more integration. I would argue that what the EDL is doing is not encouraging this it is actually doing the opposite.

3) Realise they (muslims) have their own community and way of life etc. and that everyone has the right to their own beliefs so long as they are not impacting others badly. Is this what the EDL stand for or are they more about expressing unease about muslim immigration in an angry/hateful way which actually exaggerates the us and them mentality and they lack of integration and communication between communities?


Something imo you can't reasonably do is say white people from Europe or USA or Austrailia are allowed to come here but muslims aren't. You can't ask someone if they're a muslim when they apply to come to the country then refuse them entry if they say yes or see that they've got an asian name or that they're coming from a largely muslim country.

You also can't force people to act like non-muslims when they get here and you can't force them to be friends with non-muslims or stop them living in the same area so that there are areas where there are a lot of muslims. Once they're here you can't reasonably say they're not allowed to do any things that muslims do so they can't build mosques or go to mosques or that women aren't allowed to cover their heads.

Not quite, the coalition are indeed capping immigration...from non-EU countries. There is no limit on immigration from the other 26 member states of the EU because that would be illegal. 

In an ideal world there would be no borders.

It wont happen here....unless George Galloway becomes leader!
All people should be allowed(and are) to practice there religion in our country........as long as they keep within the laws of our country theres no problem is there....being a Christian in Nigeria for example is fundamently different to being a Christian here....the majority want to imprison or even execute gay people in Nigeria.......so you see we have to have our OWN laws and if people dont obide by them then they shouldnt be here.....

Then it is already happening. There is a limit on immigration. However it's a limit on non-EU immigrants. So for example the number of immigrants from Arab countrys where most people are muslim is limited. The number of immigrants from EU countrys like Poland isn't limited.

As you point out under EU law we can't cap immigration from other EU states and other EU states can't limit the number of people from the UK allowed to move in either.

To be fair in many strict muslim countrys Christians do face persecution etc.

Altho this obviously doesn't make it OK for people here ton be cunts to muslims who just want to practise their own beliefs.

I think we should put a message out to all Muslims that they're welcome if the want to Come On Over

OK. As I said before I think the number of islamic extremists around is really low. Muslims are a minority group and only a minority of that minority are the sort of extremists we're talking about here. The media make it seem like a bigger issue than it actually is.


Is this actually happening? Or is it just that as these people tend to clustered together then there are some areas where white/non-muslim people can walk through the area and feel like they are the minority and this makes them feel weird/uneasy.

I don't think there are any (or at least not many) areas where there is a high concentration of muslims and it is actually dangerous to walk through there at night if you are white/non-muslim.


Are the EDL actually helping prevent terrorist attacks by expressing anger at muslim extremists or are they actually more likel to futher add to the sort of feelings of alienation in muslim communities which can drive people to more extremist points of view. I'd say it's ther latter.


Fair enough but did it severely impact your life or was it more that it made you feel a bit weird cos you're not used to it?

I think the burqa has become kind of symbolic of a radically different way of life coming into our country but you have to admit it's not exactly something you see often is it?

one of my ambitions in life is to fuck a woman in a burqa

This thread is ace.  :)

You'd need good aim for the money shot

you think you're a genius, you drive me up the wall.

Agreed. Well annoying. Not funny at all.

Subtle, but funny as fuck.

I think Spy got whoooshed there.

yeah, just a bit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574694/Bishop-warns-of-no-go-zones-for-non-Muslims.html

It's in a few sites, just google "No go areas for non muslims"

Quality.

No I thought he was posting in a way he thought was funny. I did think it was a joke I just thought it was an unfunny annoying one. Even if Barry is an alias he's still annoying.

Never the twain shall meet.

Nothing like religious propaganda. I love the ironies this thread has produced.

To be fair though Crispy, there's quite a few areas that are no go for non whites.

That should read...Twain

Surely you cant be for real?

Just because people believe there are areas it's dangerous for non-muslims to go doesn't mean it's the case. I'm not saying it's definitely not true, just that I have big doubts about how true it is and I'd need more proof than some bishop saying it.

Thats under review now!

Granted its the same bloke..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0BbWmPKCyk

That's a danger wank of epic proportions.

Well, if your for real;

I'd be slighly worryed if a muslim "Blew me off"

Not sure how I have restrained myself from adding to the 'interesting' stuff of this thread.  I have got through my surprise that a 'football' forum can engage in such serious debates.  In this case, if you can scrape away some rubbish which has been spouted, there is a really good debate going on.  The unfortunate bit is that it was started by a question about the EDL, which is a classic far right organisation, in that it shrouds its bigoted, xenophobic creed in shrouds of respectability, and attracts the support of the Daily Mail et al in order to gain credibility among the ordinary (white) population.

So my basic question is 'Which England does the EDL think it is defending?'' because, like most countries of the world,we have been multi-cultural since pre-history, and in every era have welcomed, or had to accept different races, different cultures and different faiths (including atheism and humanism) into the life of our 'nation'.  And the only period in our history when it was deemed necessary (for political rather than religious reasons) to try to enforce uniformity of religious observance (mid C16 - mid C17) we failed completely and ended up with Civil War.

The england that is apprently under threat of extrimests.

The thing is Crispy does 'appararntly under threat' warrant joining them?

The Normans looked pretty extreme in 1066

How many times do i have to say im not a member of the edl, just agree with some of there views.

As for does it warrent other people joining them? Personal opinions.

I didn't say you have joines them was asking you a simple question. Don't get chopsey or i will ground you you little cunt.

Which ones

Trouble is Crispy - I am now completely confused about which of the EDL's views you actually agree with ?

I have a feeling you are probably even more confused !!!

I'm not denying there are muslim extremists. I know the London bombing happened.

What I'm saying is there aren't as many of them as a lot of people seem to think. That was one incident 5 years ago. How many major inicidents have there been involving muslim extremists in this country since then?

What I'm saying is the issue isn't as big as people seem to think it is. People have an exaggerated perception of it. The media have played a massive role in this.

Pretty much everyone is against islamic extremism/terrorism not just people involved with the EDL.

The difference with the EDL which is that because they are a group specifically about opposing islamic extremism they attract many people who don't like all muslims or who are just racist. Do you understand that Crispy or do you disagree with what I'm saying there?

I've said this from the start. There is a hardcore eliment of cunts amoungst the EDL who hate all muslims or all non whites and go for scaps, which is pointless and out of order.

Yes you have admitted that but seeing as that element that is against all muslims seems to make up the majority of the people involved and there are a lot of racists is it really something you personally want to be involved with?

No, i want to be involved with the peaceful protesters that go, be there 100 or 10 there, there are some peaceful ones.

Anyway im off clay pigeon shooting :D

Unfortunately, they're the leadership. Which makes any idea of just going along all innocent for a bit of a peaceful shout at the Muslims hopelessly naive. A bit like going on an 18-30 holiday because the brochure said it was all about young people having fun in the sun and coming back all shocked saying "They were all DRUNK. And having SEX everywhere. And THROWING UP. I was shocked!" If you haven't got the common sense to look at their reputation, history and actions then you're just being daft.

Put it this way - when it all kicks off, the coppers won't distinguish between the "nasty hardcore" and the two or three of you who fancifully imagine you can go to something like that to be peaceful. They'll grab anyone they can, give some a good kicking, throw some in the van and some will get both. Good luck trying to talk your way out of a violent disorder charge with the kind of half-arsed logic you've shown on here

And leave the clay pigeons alone you bastard, what have they ever done to you?

Great thread!

Back to the OP's question.

Meh. EDL, BNP, UAF, Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party. While we still have freedom of association and freedom of speech and expression in this country they all have a right to exist. They do not have the right to break the law though, including assault.

If any of them have a stance that appeals to people then they will thrive. If not then they will stay small.

However, the left and the right beating each other up in the streets and on forums just polarises the situation and aggravates the problem. If you don't agree with something like the EDL then leave it be. It feeds off hatred.

Fly Libertarian  ;)

You live in Wiltshire FFS. A county where jews, sikhs, muslims and hindu's all added together don't even make up 1.5% of the population.

You know fuck all about this subject. Do yourself a favour and find something more appropriate to occupy your time like your homework or masturbation.

Yeah Lumpy, you should smash his fucking face in, the fascist little cunt!

Fuck off.

Oh grow up the pair of you.

Listen to this man.

Dig a hole in the sand, put your head in it and wait for your arse to be atomised.  After all, you live in  a moderately pleasant county why worry about the rest of the country

Why ignore the rest of the country?

He was being sarcastic crispy.

I don't think locality should be part of the argument. But you do need to have some perspective about how something affects you.

For instance, I've been in the dock before white magistrates, but not before Muslims trying to chop off my hand under Sharia Law.

I live in Sheffield you mouthy cunt. There were more muslims in my last postcode than you bunch of carrot crunchers are ever likely to fucking meet.

Which is why I was pointing out to our adolescent friend that he knew fuck all about fuck all when it came to this particular subject.

I'm not terrified of muslims because I've actually met some.

So because im a carrot cruncher, or because any of us are carrot crunchers, we've never met a muslim?

Nice job on the age card again by the way.

Guess what son. You're gonna have that card until you grow up a bit.

Sorry. I genuinely don't mean to sound condescending and I have nothing against you. Just don't make foolish decisions mate, please.

It is a bit shitty to be constantly bringing up someones age in a debate.


The point about meeting muslims is a good one tho. How many muslims have you met? I've known a couple who've been really nice people.

Never said they're not nice people.. I've never said i have a problem with moderate muslims  :doh:

But yeah, had a few in my year at school, know a few who own shops blah blah, all seem find to me  :nod:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/feb/25/anti-muslim-hatred-threat-to-all

He quoted from the fucking Guardian!

http://luna17activist.blogspot.com/2009/09/hidden-history-muslim-soldiers-in-world.html

If the call came again thousands of muslims would fight for us....many muslims died for US in both world wars....course there are a few scummy fuckers....just like all religions and races they have there scum.
The people in the above link didnt have to fight for us.....they did and died...all muslim
Of course i would be horrified if Sharia law became part of our system...but you know what many muslims wouldnt want that either.
Many Christian minded people strongly disagree with certain christian beliefs...there are many,many muslim followers who hate Sharia law and the scum who try to influence the young and vulnerable muslims in the western world.
So Crispy i respect your views....dont agree but remember when i was young and how easily i was led...keep to making your videos...they are top notch.

So you think Islamic Extrimests should be aloud to run about blowing people up? ???

I actually married a Muslim. I still am married to her, she just ain't a Muslim anymore.

My misses had never had a drink before she met me....... whoops. Muslims are actually allowed alcohol and there is no limit to the amount of alcohol that they are allowed. They are however limited to a certain amount of alcoholic drink, which is why in countries like Malaysia, Special Brew is very popular. (No, I am not kidding). Even the guinness is fortified to 7.5 % ish. The rules seem to change according to who you speak to but hey ho, that's religion.

So my misses was allowed one drink and then...... I got her pregnant.

Now Muslim women, when pregnant, are allowed to eat ANYTHING. Including pork.

So after a few years of being with me, smelling the bacon frying in the morning on more than a few occasions, she tucked in immediately once it was confirmed that she had a bun in the oven and Allah allowed it.

The thing is that since then, Pork chops and bacon sarnies are now a common dish in the BR household long after the misses gave birth meaning that she could now longer eat anything that comes from a pig.

Therefore, I can only conclude that Special Brew (this is for you) and Bacon Sandwiches are the answer to Muslim extremists and world peace.

Get Cameron and Obama on the blower now.

If you're not a racist and have no problem with muslims except for the fundamentalists then why even bother with the EDL unless you're not being honest with your beliefs and intentions.

If you actively want to do something about extremists, join the police, or the army, or MI5 or something that will actually try and do something about terrorism, not just a bunch of skin head racist wankers who offer nothing except hatred and violence.

.

Is there anyone apart from the nutjobs in EDL that seriously believe that the introduction of Sharia law in the UK is anything more than a scare story to whip up racial hatred?

2-3% of the population at the outside are muslim and a tiny fraction of that are islamist nutjobs. They hold no positions of political or economic power.

The country was being run by white middle class male old etonians the last time I looked.

It certainly is.

Anyway, back to my question, because we're carrot munchers does it mean we've never seen a muslim?

Read the stats, it looks like the authorities are doing their best already. It's not like they're doing naff all about it.

I know, i think a few people have got me down as a right wing racist member of the EDL by the sounds of it, let me clear it up for new posters on here i cant be fucked to read it all, im not.

That wasnt to you Si ;)

So what is your solution....i am sure all western governments would love to know it.....there isnt one Crispy.
Putting English born Germans into boot camps didnt stop the Germans trying to obliterate us.

Whoops touched a nerve.  I'm claiming Bangcocks now famous "He was being sarcastic" ploy.

Still if anyone in Swindon wants to chat to these paragons of virtue, you can pop along to Broad Street any Friday morning.  Unless your female of course.  Then you'll need to be covered and escorted by a male FAMILY member.  I wouldn't pop along if you are openly gay either, Jewish orthodox?  You might come a cropper. 

I have had many, many a bad experience with Chinese people trogladite. All but one of the Chinese people that I have met have turned out to be a bunch of self serving, rude, selfish, greedy cunts. I am sure that China red could add to my thoughts upon that particular race in general.

However. Despite my pre-conceptions that I may have about them, I will continue to treat each and every person as an individual until their actions determine their nature. I should add that the one good Chinese guy that I have met is a very very good friend and my wife and I are extremely fortunate to know him.

Your story tells of a desert rat, who tells a story of a German, who says that he wouldn't trust an arab.

You can't even give a first hand story for fucks sake. What's more is that you are repeating thirds hand stories from a period when nationalism and xenophobia would (understandably) be very high on the agenda.

i don't think that crispy. i just think that you don't quite get it yet.

Prehaps i dont, what dont you think i understand?

At the end of the day its all opinions anyway, so the whole TEF will never agree..

Fair question.

I know that you don't like people bitching about your age and I can appreciate that. Maybe it is just a bit of experience that you need before you figure it out for yourself though.

When I was about your age I used to think that it was cool to fight, that causing trouble made me look cool and tough and stuff.

Remember when I called you a dick earlier in this thread? Well perhaps I was relating to the time when I was 16 myself and I was a right proper dick at your age.

I reckon that it might just be one of those things that you have to work out for yourself. Do you honestly know the questions to the answers that you want yet?

What about non-Islamic terrorism? These are just the latest stories from the beeb:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-10685814
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10595082


Which kinda makes me think. Why do the EDL only target/think about Muslims and not raise awareness of other terrorist activities? That's what does make them racist in my opinion.

See worded like that, i cane understand. Fair enough i dont have as much "experience" as the rest of you. But when cunts say im not old enough, need to go and have a wank and do my homework? what the fucks that all about? Dont they know what to say? Got to resort to the "Shouldnt you be wanking" Prehaps they should grow up.

Cunts.

I never came looking for any answers, sorry if that confused you. I came looking for the views of the TEF!

BR don't just tell Crispy he has to wait years then he'll understand more. Help him understand more now.

Si although I don't like the EDL they are (or at least like to present themselves as) a single issue group. They're not a political party with a view in a wide range of issues and it's not really necessary to claim they should campaign on everything.

I'm in my fifties and didn't live through the war thank God.  So all my stories would be second hand.  Living in Cricklade, I was brought up lived and worked with these brave men. 
Most wouldn't talk about there experiences as you can imagine they were young, afraid and saw/did things none of us, I hope will never see. 
When there guard was down, things sometimes bubbled to the surface. Little pearls of wisdom, chasms of regret.  These men were, they're all dead now,  Carrot crunchers to a man but gentlemen.  I have no reason to think that they glorified their stories, just told it as it was.  They had dealings with muslims who treated the infidel in the time honoured tradition.

Of course there is a Jewish saying that if.....
You're a good muslim, you can't be a good human being and if you're a good human being you can't be a good muslim.  I would like to say right here I don't go along with that.  It would explain there behaviour towards women, gays and gay women though.

Single issue: Raise awareness of militant/extremist behaviour. Why does it have to come from a remote link to the Islamic faith?

It's like the animal rights groups which protest about testing on animals. Do they exclude one specific animal, or only concern themselves with one? No, it's a catch all for all animals.

A group should be about an issue, not a particular race or creed which it may (perhaps loosely) stem from.

A different perspective would be to have reasonable discussions about why religion is the cause of all this, that actually making your own decisions about life and morality is another approach. Instead of believing dogma, the ravings of drugged up monks from the Middle Ages or some old nonsense written in the year dot that is no longer relevant today. What is the point of believing in sky fairies (of any flavour) anyway? It is only an excuse for absolving yourself of personal responsibility.

Not that it has anything to do with me what other people believe in, that is their business. I do question why it does not occur to them that there are alternatives that do not involve chopping people's hands off or scaring children with biblical horror stories though.

I agree talk talk but such a discussion would be another thread altogether, and one that has been done ad finitum.

I quite enjoy religion threads myself, the tend to pop up around xmas time.

I'll be starting another on friday night! Did you get my pm BR?

Can't you just read the old ones? : )

Nope  ;)

I nearly strayed into this myself but decided that was another can of worms. But now it's opened I might as well say that anyone that bases their lifestyle on the moral code and dietary habits of a bronze age desert tribe needs their head examined.

Shouldnt you be wanking or something lumps?

If you had said that about Christians you would of been on safe ground.  After all what is a Christian going to do to you?  Turn the other cheek.
 But now you will face the full wroath of the liberal left.  Come on lefties, come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

 :D

I just did you ignorant prat. It's obviously applicable to any of the Abrahamic religions. Not that I've got any time for any other religion mind

Why have you come on here insulting everybody that posts? You sir, are a  :cunt:

He learnt it from me, although I have stopped doing it since I weaned myself off the evil demon cider.

You on the Diamond White, Rumpy?

Dont drink cider, fucking horrible stuff  :D

No I'm just catching up on 15 pages of opportunity to abuse the knuckle draggers that I missed whilst I was on holiday.

I find myself, worryingly, agreeing with Alan.

Faith is fine. I can understand that (Although I don't actually believe in any of it).

Religion, any religion, is bollocks and is nothing more than a means of control.

Anyone that is directed by religion is a fool.

 What a self-righteous, patronising cretinous moron you really are.

[url width=500 height=375]http://www.gothschlampen.com/~tk/e-penis.jpg[/url]

No, just slightly larger than average.

Enjoy the bacon sarnies and alcohol with your missus by all means. Yet if you believe that degree of liberalism and toleration is reflective of 'inner-city Britain' then I suggest you are very much mistaken.

anyone for some cheese?

 
 Sounds good. I can only find Halal cheese where I live. And the sight of those manatees hanging up with their throats slit. Oh dear.

Good. Shut this ridiculous thread. We have more important considerations.

It was run by a nondescript Belgian last time I looked  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7otL38HMbc&playnext_from=TL&videos=7LAbkZtNXoY&playnext=2

You do realise that's a UVF song? Now you're linking yourself to sectarian murderers, nice.

Its a song thats been changed :/

More irony than you can shake a burqa at

By changing "UVF" to "EDL"

I see an EDL demo on August 28th in Bradford.  Can't see that working all that well.  If I thought it could be peaceful I'd pop along.  Only miss Franchise away. 
Nice catchy tune they used on that video and New Labour has shown that you can rewrite history so why not change the meaning of a song?

That'd be the one they're slavering over all over the internet as being "the mother of all race riots" etc. Only a complete moron would go to that.

So when you chant "you're not singing any more", (to the tune of bread of heaven) you're really actually being religious, yes?

Deeply. I cross myself and throw holy water over the neighbouring seats

Do they deliberately exclude 'slightly moronic' or 'vaguely a moron'?

I think they're pretty black and white about these things. Very much a them and us group, the EDL, there's no space in the White Vanguard for fairweather part-time morons. You're either in or you're not

The sort of far right people who are attracted to the EDL often have loyalist sympathies even if they don't have actual links with loyalist groups. That's been known for years.

I'd like to highlight the support of Israel by the EDL as being especially moronic.

I suppose they like it because it sets them apart from fascists.

Sorry, but repeating other peoples questions (sarcastic or otherwise) doesn't count as your own response.

I'm intrigued. Is it moronic specifically because the EDL support Israel or because that any support for Israel is moronic?

Somebody told me to ignore it, i simpley asked why.

Serious thread or not that just made me do a little piss.

Moronic because the way the Israeli government treat the Palestinians is vile so no it's not just because they're EDL I'd say any support of Israel in their actions is moronic, including all the support they've had from the USA government.

For the record I don't support Hamas suicide bombing of Istaeli civilians either.

  See the porn star turned Home Secretary has banned the EDL march in Bradford, although they can still have a meeting, just not walk anywhere. Thoughts.....

I can't see anything other than a Huge riot to be honest, both sides (EDL, Local Community/whoever else) won't want to back down and will try to push their luck as to what they can and can't do, add in the Old bill not wanting to show any weekness with the whole media circus in town and it will just be a complete nightmare with lasting tension / bad feeling.  Which utlimatly just helps the extremests on both sides gain leverage / supporters


If I lived in Bradford, I would be planning a weekend away and checking all my insurance policies were up todate.

Its that or MK away for me, cant decide which one to convince mummy to let me go to; Probally MK to carry on the Pericard Love.

I was thinking about either going to MK or the UAF (Unite Against Fascism) rally in Bradford, we could both go to MK and have a ruck there...

Sounds good to me!

Why not stay in Swindon and have a ruck- saves time and money or go up to Franchise join up and kick the fuck out of Wimkelman.

I have only just read through this thread and im glad i did, very funny stuff. A 16 yr old boy from white middle class Lavington in Wiltshire proclaiming parts of England as 'no go areas for whites' and that this country is going down the pan? Surely a wind-up....  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Parts of england are no go areas for whites, as parts are no go areas for blacks.

Where in England have you been where you have felt that your life was in danger due to your skin colour?

Melksham

lavington

They even diss the colonel

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=198:kentucky-fried-chicken-forcing-halal-prepared-food-on-non-muslim-communities&catid=42:feature-stories

"Also, we would like to encourage "flash demos" at these restaurants. These could involve as little as 2 people, one to video the demo and one to film it."

Fail.

"Now before any certain type of Muslim start banging on about Kosher laws, let us consider one thing. Non Muslim communities do not force their non halal products onto unsuspecting Muslims, likewise Jews don’t try to force “kosher only” butchery onto non Jewish communities."

How is KFC trialling halal meat equated into Muslims forcing halal meat onto others?

Personally, i dont enjoy walking down manchester road after evening fixtures.

Scared of the hookers?

http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2010/08/06/halal-only-school-dinners-incur-parents-rage/17


Now to me this is wrong....this is what gets the nutcases going...does it bother me,not really but then my kids dont go school in Haringey.
I think Harrow have followed this decision as well.
Just remember how Halal meat is prepared...the animals have there throats cut and bleed to death with no knock out or sedative...personally i wouldnt eat it because of that reason but its been a tradition for centuries so who are we to say whats right or wrong.
What i do object to is that if your child goes to School in Haringey or Harrow he will be given Halal meat whatever...for me in the heart of Capital City that is wrong.
All children should have a choice...muslim or not.

Agree, the choice should be there. And its not right how Halal meat is prepared either.

Agree with you other than the method - there is mixed evidence that I've seen to say whether halal butchery is more or less painful to the animal.

I have to agree on some level with this. Walking down that part of Swindon at night, theres alot of groups hanging around, and I have felt intimidated at times. Saying that, nothings ever happend to me down there just some staring/shouting and you get that everywhere off chavvy little scrotes.

I don't know too much about Haringey but certainly Harrow the vast majority of the population are British Asian so the change to Halal meat will please the majority.

Yep....Asian,not muslim..............many Asians dont/wont eat Hallal Meat....so maybe not the majority.
And incidently you shouldnt ignore the minority.

Thats a class/social issue, not a racial one

No McDonald's?

What makes Manchester road more intimidating to you than say Old town or Stratton of an evening?

Do you think that because you grew up in a largely white middle class christian village and attended a school largely populated by white middle class christian pupils that your exposure to different ethnicities and religions is limited and therefore you are feeling more of a fear of the unkown rather than a fear of 'these people are a treat to my health?'

I think people would find Penhill or Pinehurst more intimidating than Manchester Road and the majority in those areas are white.

Yes fair point and after bit of research it says only 7% are muslim in the Harrow area so looks like they are listening to the minority.

Simply.....all children should have a choice of meats they want/have to eat.
I wasn't suggesting Muslims shouldn't be able to have Hallal meat.....just saying it was unfair that others didn't have a choice.

I've never walking through Old town or Stratton.

I wasn't born in market lavington and didn't grow up here, also you don't know which school a attended. Somewhat it is the fear of the unknown, but, as you can see by this whole thread im one of the only people on here that agree with the majority of the EDL, so theres not poing going back into this thread.

That's not how school catering works though is it? It's not a restaurant. If Jeremy fancies venison one day he's likely to be onto a loser.

What this probably means is that for the sake of convenience, doing away with the need for separate prep areas, the kitchens have decided to limit the menu by going down the poultry and fish route which a lot of them were doing anyhow what with the healthier menus being introduced.

That only leaves the issue of how the animals are slaughtered, which I doubt the EDL have cared a fuck about until it's a handy stick to beat the paki's with. One chop with a blade by hand or hung by the neck from a conveyor belt until your head's ripped off in a factory slaughterhouse .... I'm not sure which one is the must brutal to be honest.

That means the only thing to get worked up about 

Who's getting worked up...............not me,just making a valid and correct point.
Hallal meat for all in a school kitchen is wrong...no matter how you want to look at it.
Explain its merits for all there worth......but you wont convince me that it is fair or indeed right.

I think that's really sad. I get the impression that what Stegenfreud said is right. You probably aren't very used to seeing many amounts of asian people and you've heard a lot of scare stories in the paper and on the internet. Some of those stories may be true or at least have some truth to them. You then walk through an area where you're the minority and you associate the people you see with the stories you've heard. BUT that doesn't mean you are actually in danger or anything like that. Nothing's ever going to happen to you there. Manchester Road is actually a pretty safe area imo. I'd guess it's safer than some poorer white areas in Swindon eg Penhill.

I think a lot of it is just that as a white person you're not used to being in the minority. It's something I've had to get used to in my area where I'm living in Bristol, right next to St.Pauls. It was strange to me walking around and feeling like I was the odd one out for being white. It has a reputation for being a violent area but a lot of that is gang related and nothing much has ever happened to me personally. Never been mugged or beaten up or anything like that.

Manchester Road area isn't even like that. It isn't known as a violent area and there isn't a big gang thing (some asian teenagers hanging around in the park doesn't mean there's gangs there and they most likely aren't going to mug you).

In reality I know the mosque there has been attacked almost certainly by racist/islamophobic whites and the asian people there are far more likely to suffer racist abuse than the other way round (possibly even from a few town supporters).

I been mugged twice on manchester road to be fair i was steaming drunk asleep outside the taxi office.They were asians both times.

Dirty cunts.

how do you know they were asian if you were asleep?

In July a woman was raped in Manchester road. The police are looking for two Asians.  They've got their work cut out.  Manchester road wasn't very safe for her.

I was woken up by them going through my pockets. On a serious not of course crime commited in those areas are going to be done by ethnic minorities. The same as in predominatly  white areas it will be white people.

jesus listen to yourself.

How dare logic get in the way of such bigotry.

Why? I've walked down that road for years, before and after Swindon fixtures and never personally encountered any problems. Conversely I would imagine that the residents and shopkeepers aren't particularly enamored with (mostly white) football fans walking down there, given that the only problems I have seen are football related.

my statements are correct. She was rapped.  She told the police to look for two men of asian appearance.  It happened in Manchester road.  I'm sorry if the above facts offend you. To placate you can I just say that white men can rape as well.

To keep Mex happy only crimes committed by white people, preferably of British extract should be mentioned in this thread.  It will mean any talk of Manchester road is meaningless though.

She was rapped?  Are you sure Jay z wasn't responsible.

Don't know who Jay z is.  I bough to your greater knowledge.

Yes and if they were to go in the Town End on a match day I doubt many of them would feel very comfortable or welcome (not to totally slag off the Town End, I do love it there, but you know what I mean?).

I recomend that they don't move to the surrounding areas of a fucking football stadium then if they don't like it.

Just a thought.

Whilst it obviously isn't crime free the general point that Manchester Road isn't any more dangerous than most poor white areas and also definitely isn't a "no go area for whites" is valid imo.

Whilst I have sympathy with that view, I was merely arguing that residents of Manchester Road may have similar misgivings to Crispy (in reverse) when faced with hordes of white football fans despite that the vast majority are perfectly well behaved.

If they don't like hordes of white football fans, then moving to England wasn't a good move.

Can we all just ignore this bigoted cunt? It'll only encourage him otherwise.

Or similarly, if the sight of Asian men, women and children brings you out in a rash, walking down Manchester Road is probably best avoided.

There has been a sizeable Asian population in this country for over half a century.  You would have thought people really should be getting used to it by now.  The England that the English Defence League seeks to 'defend' has not existed now for a very long time.

yawn

You would agree they shouldn't move near a football stadium though yeah? I mean they as in any person white black etc

Of course.

I lived on Manchester Road for a couple of years in the late Eighties. The only trouble around there at that time was the prostitutes. I've also lived in Southall and Bristol, in an area adjacent to St Pauls.

Strange that the only time I've been a victim of violence was on a works do in Weymouth, which has one of the lowest number of black or asians in the UK.

Bazza I love you :D

Ive lived in Southall for a bit and off Manchester Rd. We should be BFF's!

What's the BFF against then?

bald fucking fuckers

big fat fuckers.

take your pick

can i join? i'm both

Bradford stream if anybody is interested..

..http://www.justin.tv/kilnerwill1#/w/347373312

is that feed working for you?

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8472319.Police_gear_up_for_far_right_protest_in_Swindon/

Good few off here wont be going to Rochdale then.....

I don't normally go in for predictions, but I'm going to break my own rule.  During the next month:

• This thread will more than double in length to 60+ pages; and
• Crispy's posts will hit the 3,000 mark.

Unless he gets banned first.  Depressing.

Why is the thought of crispy being banned depressing?

marching through manchester road is clearly just to stir up trouble.it's obvious local asians will kick off in retaliation.i reckon that is what the edl want.

I hope theres a counter march organised by UAF.

I might end up having a fight with my own mates...

ha ha, thats what i was thinking.

Of course it's what they want. But they'll quickly play the victims when they get the shit kicked out of them.

Erm, didn't they reschedule the three marches to Nov 27th and move "ours" to Peterborough some weeks ago? They originally planned Preston, West Mids and Swindon on Nov 20th, but a few weeks back the date moved to the 27th and the Swindon march was reassigned to those luck Peterborough folks. Unless they've changed it all back of course. More likely I suspect this is more shit journalism by the Adver

I'd like the march to get ahead, just so pauld can stand between both groups giving it his best "Alright lads. Calm down, calm down".

Will somebody PLEASE think of the prostitutes in all this. Gonna be bad for business

I might go down and kick off with all 3 groups (EDL, UAF & Asian lads) becuase they are all twats

Well the police are gearing up for fuck all since the protest has been cancelled.

Yet more cutting edge journalism from the Adver?  Thanks for the story, Scoop.

To be fair to the Adver, the EDL made a right dog's breakfast of this from the off, they listed the Swindon demo as Nov 20th, then moved it to Nov 27th with a heading of Peterborough demo but a location of Swindon, they even confused their own supporters (not a high bar, I'll grant you). And the coppers probably are still preparing for a possible demo on the 20th, just to be on the safe side, as the EDL have shown a taste for "flash demos" (no official march, just 50 drunken hooligans running rampage through the area attacking people) of late. So there's enough there for the Adver to report the possibility of a march which is what they've done. Hardly their fault if the EDL couldn't organise a drunken fight in a Wetherspoons

clueless bunch of retarded morons. the adver aren't much better at times either.

Few lads are still discussing a some what of a mini-EDL demo for those who can't make it to P'boro.

Hope "the lads" realise that without prior notice to the police that would be illegal and would likely result in a royal kicking from the coppers, plus risk them all being prosecuted

Don't know, im going to rochdale anyway.

Could be interesting if we make it to the 2nd round of the cup and get drawn at home.

What will this demo include?

On past evidence, it will include Sieg Hiel salutes, racist chants, smashing windows, throwing bricks, bottles and fireworks at the police and attacking passers-by who aren't the right colour, whether they're actually Muslim or not. Oh, and attacking the Sikh temple

Spot on.

 :no:

What, then?

oh dear, another thread where crispy proves was a naive stupid ignorant kid he is.

Havent we had enough of these yet?

Infact, can we have a cripsy sub forum (...like we did with Ralphy once) and stuff all this shit in there out of the way?

I didn't bump this back up so fuck off.


And b3nny, i really can't be botherd to go into detail on here because for one i've been told not to, and secondly my tea is nearly ready and im a fat bastard.

what you having for tea?

Not sure yet, went down to egt a drink and was informed it would be ready soon. I'll post back when i know!

Curry, obviously :)

Tell me when the Peterborough demo is, I will let the wife know that she will be in for a busy day on the Monday.

I'm guessing Alphabetti Spaghetti.

Am I right?

And that's just from the UAF  :D

Pizza and chips!

It'll consist of a series of pissed up thugs patriotic heroes swearing at, being generally unpleasant to and probably threatening the police and anyone who walks by with a slight tan defending our liberty against the tyranny of those bleedin' heart lefties.

He's in the not very far-left Times today admitting he is indeed Stephen Lennon aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Paul Harris aka violent criminal wife-beater. Also admits he's currently on bail for two counts of affray and assault, is being investigated for money-laundering, is (as those far-left websites rightly said) ex-BNP, and is banned from attending football matches and was denied entry to the US as result of his violent criminal past (and it would seem present). Like I said, EDL, founded, run and supported by hooligans, criminals and Nazis.

So, how does it sit then that "the far-left" knew all about this and rightly outed it back when your own fuhrership were furiously denying it? What else are they lying to you about?

That Murdoch, what a left wing scamp.

He was indeed in the times. I didn't know back then but he also indeed is Stephen.

I don't know what they are lying about, i think the fact i don't know is the idea right?

:D

No. Don't like it, don't read it.

How can you know you don't like it if you don't read it?  Books and covers, etc.

My CPU is a neural net processor; a learning computer. But Skynet pre-sets the switch to read-only when we're sent out alone.

Sell it to me. Give me some propaganda, make me BELIEVE.

Are you going to yeovil? I'll give you a card.

Won't make you believe but it might make you fuck off?

Why? Will it contain threatening words? Or someone with a mean face?

I have to work 9-5, so no I won't be there.

Nope, it says..

English Defence League                                                   Wiltshire Division
www.englishdefenceleague.org                                         www.facebook.com/edlwiltshire
                                                                                  Tel: ########

And then some pritty pictures.

How does it make for roach paper?

March in Swindon cancelled due to lack of support, according to today's Adver. Presumably because Mad Dad and a wannabe in a pink jumper don't actually constitute a march as such :)

It was cancelled ages ago, not down to lack of support but down to EDL arranging to many marches on the day and casuing confusion.

And for roach, seems like it could do a job.

crispy.why did they want to march through the biggest ethnic area in swindon?

Same reason they wanted to do so in Leicester and Bradford. To stir up shit and provoke a reaction, hopefully cause a riot. That's why their marches in Leicester and Bradford were banned

They wanted a tandoori sizzler innit

Because there was a mosque redevelopment planned on manny road.

If I ever win the lottery I'm going to fund a Super Mosque named after crispy.

what exactly do the edl oppose of the mosque?

They dont want any more mosques built in Britain because of the culture they produce. More mosques = More Muslims ( Which i dont agree with ) To be honest, im not 100% Sure of that Arriba.

So? What's the problem?

Brilliant. You are hanging around with a bunch of clueless morons.

what are you not sure of?
not clear from your answer

Why they oppose new mosques being built.

From my point of view i don't care if there are 5 muslims in england or 5000000 muslims in england. I'm personally just anti-extriemists.

So you're just anti-Muslim then? Not standing up against extremists, just a good old-fashioned racist

Didn't you go to a catholic school crispy? I'm pretty sure that if you picked out 1000 random catholics and 1000 random muslims out of the UK population you'd get more people with close terrorist connections on the catholic side.

Also make sure you learn properly about contraception.

Me personally? No.

I Did indeed, im against any terrorist groups, not just islamic extriemists  :nod:

Nail & head

no disrespect, but you are not at all clear with your answers.i dont know what they(the edl)are opposed to, or your views on the matter.
anyway the mosque is already in swindon.been there years

do you oppose catholic churches?

Because there was a mosque redevelopment planned on manny road. - Not a new mosque Ariba.

And no Ben i don't. I don't oppose Moques either.

If you oppose all terror groups why do you feel the need to do it via the EDL?

Except far-right extremists

so you don't oppose mosques,just ones that want to build extensions?

I still think there should be a mosque included into the CG redevelopment....you could have an ace minaret to call the faithful to prayer, then on matchday the muezzin could belt out...give us an S....

Fucking hell Arriba i said i don't agree with it.

We could turn the ground around so the town end faces to Mecca.

dont agree with what?

Crispy

Do yourself a favour my old son.

Close the laptop down, take the plug out of the socket and throw the whole shebang in the fucking bin.

It may not be pretty, but at least it will stop you making yourself look a bit of a naive lemming

Cheers

To be honest. This is a bit silly, I don't think crispy really understands anything about islaam, mosques, terrorism, or the EDL and their beliefs - which is why he won't answer any questions, just jump between webs of semantics on whether he's talking about his own views or that of the EDL's.

I reckon It's more about being part of a club, part of something, which is an attractive idea when you're 16/17 and just finding your way in the world and looking for an identity. Especially if your overweight, ginger, spotty, and a bit fed up of working as a trolley boy in Asda.

Infact, if you replaced some of the above things with stuff like feeling a conflict of culture between family/outside world, marginalised because of race or religion, then you'd have the similar reasons why muslim lads of the same age are the main target of recruitment for Al-Qaeda groups.

If crispy's parents had come over from pakistan and he'd been bought up a muslim we'd probably have a load of posts about Alah being great and we'd all be jihaded.

Morrisons*

Amen, Benjamin.

I think the TE already faces east, so no need...what about MECA

[url width=259 height=194]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:IonKHFFUGcWhBM:http://www.swindongallery.org.uk/gallery2/d/727-1/Mecca+Bingo+building.jpg&t=1[/url]

if crispy has views strong enough to go on about on here,he should be able to answer folks questions on it.
i wasn't trying to trip him up.but i aint none the wiser after asking.....

What do you want to know?

its because all muzzies are evil and want to ban bacon and kill people and stuff innit.

And what Ben said.

  :D

i've already asked the questions.

what exactly do the edl oppose of the mosque?

Already told you, i disagree with that and i don't fully know the answer.

so you don't oppose mosques,just ones that want to build extensions?

I don't agree with anti-mosque campagnes..

What do you agree with that the EDL stand for then?

Bless

Ive always wondered if racists eat curry?

For a start, there views on Halal, There views on Sharia law within England/Britian.


And Bankok, you should know i cant spell by now :)

Wasnt campagnes a centre back for us in the 90's?

I don't agree with the unnecessary pain inflicted on animals either (depending on whether it's been stunned beforehand or not), but it doesn't mean I'm going to go out and incite violence and division between race and religion.

Is that the only two things you see eye to eye with them on?

Along with the anti- Millitant Islam and a few other things, yes.

Is Halal meat any more inhumane than meat produced the "western" way? The animal still ends up as food.

Besides, animals don't have feelings.

If you really want me to post a video of an animal being killing the 'halal' way i will! But its not nice!

Nor is the western way

are you vegeterian ?

Who isn't opposed to millitant anything? But is a march through Manny Road really going to get to those sorts, or is it just going to piss off and alienate local people who've probably lived in Swindon longer than you or I, who are law abiding people just trying to make a living?

What few other things?

So how do you feel that the EDL will help to solve these issues?

Theyll bomb everyone

Yeah, in this country in say... a chicken factory, the chickens are hung by their heads on an overhead conveyor belt. They are gassed to put them unconscious then electrocuted to kill them. These two stages have around a 95% success rate so some chickens will be alive and awake when they get into the bit that pulls their heads off with such force that most of their bones and arteries go with them.

This is the first stage in making them lovely breadcrumb covered boneless chicken breasts that you can buy in Morrisons for about a quid.

By the way, I am not a vegetarian, I don't give a fuck how the chickens die, just what they taste like. :D

Leaving aside the fundamental idiocy of the proposition that more mosques somehow magically produces more Muslims, that the second quote is manifestly just anti-Muslim (not extremists, just Muslims per se) you're not even consistent on your own views in two posts about 40 mins apart.

I think ben's assessment of your wannabe motives is about right and Fred's advice you bin the laptop is probably the best you'll get.

I'll add a bit more (although I don't imagine you'll listen) - you clearly don't know what the EDL stands for or what it actually is. Extremist groups like this rely on the confused, angry and (sorry but it's how you come across) a bit thick like you to act as their cannon fodder. Just like the jihadists, ironically. And that's what you are - cannon fodder. You're being manipulated by some pretty nasty violent extremists and the more you allow yourself to get sucked in the worse trouble you're likely to end up in. So can it, kick back, enjoy the football and enjoy your teenage years. Don't get yourself in a load of shite over stuff you clearly don't understand

never mind all this trivial shit.paul the octopus is dead....

With all due respect, since when has telliong a teenager not to do something actually worked?

I say, go hang around with your EDL loons and witness first hand what kind of people they are and then make your own mind up whether you want to be part of that or not.

Nope, but the western way, granted its not nice. Isn't as bad as Halal.

@Bangkok, Benny.

The EDL are actually standing up for the group and getting out there and getting seen. Granted it will proberly do fuck all and cause shite but they are trying. The march on manny road was also about Sharia law witch is also springing up nationwide. But i answer to your question shortly and sweetly Bangkok, The only way it is solving them is by getting out there and getting seen, so really - It Isn't.

@Paul, i said i don't agree with Anti-Mosques in the first post, and the second i also said i dont agree with whatever reason EDL has for not wanting more mosques. About what Fred said about binning the laptop, Granted i posted the thread but i don't keep bumping it back up, seems like you lot just want to argue about 20 on 1 ;)

The EDL are getting out there and standing up for what group?

They want to get out there and cause shit. Correct.

[Patronising, but well meaning post]

Crispy, you seem OK to me...if a little easily led.  You're 16, so I'll let you off.  I just hope you do grow out of this phase you're going through before you're much older.  People will eventually start to view you in a different light if you're still holding views like this after your 18th birthday.

For the record, I'm not knocking your objections to halal, for example.  Without wanting to enter the argument myself, your objections seem valid enough and you are perfectly entitled to hold them.  But there are many ways of voicing your objections, and I hope you eventually conclude that associating with an inherently racist organisation like the EDL is not the best way of doing this.  In short, you've got to be very careful who you 'get in to bed with'.  You say your problem is with halal slaughter, militant extremism etc.  That may be so.  But many of the people you will be rubbing shoulders with in the EDL will have more sinister motives.  Be very careful.

Anyway, with any luck you're going to discover girls soon.  At that point, your life will change for ever and all this EDL rubbish is going to seem very pointless and insignificant.  And you won't have any time or money to go on 'marches' anyway.

[/Patronising, but well meaning post]

Crispy, I was only trying to save yourself from yourself.

Clearly you are hanging your hat on something you know relatively little, if not fuck all, about.

This is making you come across as a bit of a sheep IMO.

Go away and do some research, then come back with valued and reasoned views.

People may not like it, but they will take you a whole lot more seriously.

Love

Fred

Can this forum get any more righteous?

Yeah I must point out that I don't think you're a wanker or anything. As Ardiles said, there's alot more to them than you seem to think/realise.

Been there, done that.

I kind of agree with you...telling kids what to do is never the best way forward, much better to let them find out by experience.

Tommy (Stephan) on the radio...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_three_counties_radio

crispy, fuck it off mate, go take some drugs and listen to loud music, far more fun.

Crispy you're a twat. Fuck off.  ;)

The march in Swindon has been called off now i think,lack of numbers being the reason citied.

Crispy is a young lad who needs to make his own mistakes. He's probably had enough of being patronised and talked down to. Once he sees a few skulls being cracked open his views may change.

 :clap:

Apologies if its old news.....not been in long.

I'm assuming you're not intending that to be a compliment?

In which case you mean self-righteous dickhead.

Whilst I agree with you. Please bear in mind that trolls only come back when they get fed.

Someone hasn't read the Three Billy Goats Gruff.

Have I chosen the right 'bear'?

Is it 'bear' or 'bare'?

It's actually 'bare' innit, or is it?

No, it's bear.

fuckit

Oh be kind Lumps, I think a primary school teacher must have told him it was a good word when he was writing a story or something. Must have been his finest memory the way he's clung on to it.

Which one is ironside?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-idDbIfGvw

Most righteous:

[url width=150 height=153]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/budda_butt/billandted.jpg[/url]

Incidentally, there is talk of a Bill and Ted 3 - surely too old now?

Maybe they could carry on ripping off other phone box time travellers and regenerate?

 Ironside:
              Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

 Lumps:  Crap

please post the vegan website video about halal. the brilliant double standard and blinkered argument amuse me still

Well Dave seems to highlight that he doesn't like Crispy or his posts so wants them out of the way. But really all you need to do is read the title (EDL) and the author (Crispy) and you can avoid it pretty easily.

Since i was told not to I havent posted any more threads to be fair, old ones keep getting bumped.

If anybody needs their own forum to keep their posts in then it's DV.

This forum is definitely more righteous when Ironside posts.

It might have a fairly limited range of subjects....

It would be the most active part of the site.

I'm all you lot ever talk about.

I'm confused.  Which one is pauld?

The one in the wig.

I though that was Lumps.

How dare you! I'm proudly, shaven headedly, bald me.

 Question.....

 What is the most popular boy's name for new births in 2010 in Britain?

 Answer......Mohamed.*

* if its different spellings are totaled.

It's actually the most popular name for male babies born in England and Wales.

I stand corrected....Scotland must have its own stats.

What about all the Johnathon's, Jonathon's, Jonathan's, etc, for example.

I wonder if the daily mail Grouped them together as well or did they count each variation as a separate name?

All them cunts are called Jock innit.

But not very surprising.  A large number of Muslim parents will give their child the name Mohammed and then use a middle name for everyday use.  I don't have the figures to hand, but would imagine that maybe as many as a third of Muslim boys are named Mohammed.

To put things in to perspective, there were less than 8,000 Mohammeds (incl all other spellings) born last year in the UK out of a total of more than 700,000 live births.

One of my near neighbours is called Osama.  Lovely chap.  True story.

You can't do that! That's the whole point of stories like this, a complete lack of perspective or context. The balloon's going up, run for the hills, yaaaahhhhhhh!

Each name is taken as the parent spelt it - hence you get Amy, Aimee and Amelia in the top 100 for girls and about sixteen other versions outside it as illiterate cunts call their sexcrement Aimmeeee, Aymee and everything else.

Sensible methodology or liberal cover-up? You decide.

I'll go with bullshit tabloid scare story, please Bob

 I like facts and found this one, so thought I'd place it in the EDL debate.

 It came from no tabloid story that I have seen, if such exists, then in this context it is coincidental.

It was published by a well known tabloid just today Reg. Can you guess which one?

As Ardiles highlighted, facts without context are often misleading. As in this case. And such is usually the staple diet of the Daily Mail et al (albeit generally light on facts)

I'll guess Daily Mail....

I'll reinstate my bullshit tabloid scare story jibe then. Shame on you Reg.

Correct.

How on earth you got it first time I'll never know.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html#ixzz13abZ15V9

Which you are now entitled to do given BR has posted up the link.  I'll still stand by my right to post interesting and not so interesting facts.

As the Day Today would put it:

Fact + Context = News

Fact Devoid of Very Relevant Context = Daily Mail

A bit harsh seeing as it is being reported everywhere. Here's the same story from the Jerusalum Post.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=193096

I'm guessing the Jerusalem Post may also have an agenda in reporting this non-story in this way, as well.

Incidentally, the actual most popular boys' names are Oliver with Olivia the most popular girls' name. Which is how the BBC reported the story, somewhat less sensationally:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11635125