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Well I said that if we lost today, I would be admitting that we are pretty much down and here I am doing that. I have stayed really positive in the past weeks as I really honestly thought that we would survive relegation. But today was a shambles, I love my club and I was sat there watching it when it hit me. What the hell are they doing? Where is the passion ? Everythings just fallen apart and I will be so relieved when the season uis over, just like everyone else.

We were absolutely terrible. The only positive thing I could pick up on was rhys evans who has really worked his ass of lately and was oozing with confidence.

I am a die hard swindon fan though  :D  We may be down, but I will still be there every single game next season and I'm starting to look forward to it. People laugh at me when I say this, so what about the shit grounds and shit teams? I'll be watching my club go up hopefully.

And to the swindon fan in the arkells who shouted 'Iffy you are a fucking prick' when he walked up towards the stand, you should be ashamed of yourself. Fuck off, because we don't need fans like you. Only the loyal ones will stick next season out.

as long as we fuck them cunts down the A420 up next season then ill be happy! cant see us going up with the squad we have tbh. we need a major revamp!

When Iffy was walking up the stairs someone in the Nationwide shouted "Keep on walking Iffy!"  :evil:

I agree Sade - this was not Iffy's fault - the players were crap

Exactly - A fresh start and a break is needed. It will give Iffy a good chance to settle and and work more with the team.  Get rid of the dead wood, bring in some new faces. Oxford at home first game of the season ? Bring it on.

the players & fans reaction to that defeat said it all.....the players know it, the fans know it....everyone knows it.

We are a league two team

People that slate iffy are just really really gullible if you ask me.

The bloke has not even been here this long and he's had a fucking hard job to do but he has so much passion and you can see that. He's a good man, I don't know how anyone can quite rate him as a manager just yet because we have not seen much.

Give him a chance in league 2. He could do really well, but yes obviously if things don't go well then possible bring in another face but first give the guy a chance.

Why all this blind faith in Iffy. He's had 30 odd games and we're no better off than when he started. Anyone who pays their money is entitled to an opinion. I don't think he's a prick and I wouldn't shout it at him but he certainly isn't the right man for the job. His loans and tactics prove it. The players have to take most of the blame but Iffy is in no way blameless.

Nothing wrong with Iffy - he had his head in his hands most of the second half - players cant cut it

i was about to post something along the same lines of melksham.

iffy's tactically ignorant and very naive at times. some of his signings have been questionable and some have been downright poor. however, the people who have let him down most are the players - they simply have no bottle.

however i'd give him a chance next season. he's been thrown in at the deep end, inheirited a poor squad and had no option but to sell our only goalscorer. let him build a squad in his own right and judge him on that, if things don't work out then he's got to go. i think it's unfair to judge him on this season alone, when he's been under a great deal of pressure in his first managerial role.

Fair enough, Iffys a nice guy and he cares but it doesn't make him a good manager. I'd rather a cunt who didn't give a fuck and we won some fucking games.

 :D amen

IF it is Iffy who is telling the players that we have to hoof the ball 30 yards everytime we get it, or that football can only be played inside a 30yd strip up the middle of the park - then I agree he should go.

I think he gives his instructions to do otherwiseand but we just have players who are incapable of playing any other way right now

Should he not of been shouting instructions rather than sitting with his head in his hands.

I like Iffy but the job is too big for him. We need experience.

Probably right on both points Melksham...

king was a nice guy who cared, he was fucking useless.

i just think he's worth giving a proper chance, he's got some good results in his time in charge.

i hate clubs that go through multiple managers in the space of a couple of seasons. the scum being a prime example and it's not done much good for them.

iffy will stay, cause he is cheap. and i don't think the board would sack him anyway. He has had to pickl up what kingy left which wasn't good, and he came close to keeping us up.

Everyones making our like iffy has made some huge mistakes. He's made a few errors, but all managers do but he did it because he thought it was best. He'll learn from that , you have to take chances don't you. His signings havent been that bad either in my opinion. Its his first time being a manager and I think he's earned alot of respect from us already, I agree with what your saying melksham red and I'm not slating your opinion at all. I just think its fair we give him a chance next season and see how it goes.

I'm not anti Iffy, he's just not good enough and we haven't got the leisure of time on our side. In close season I want to see a manager come in who gets rid of the shit, chooses a system and his best team and sticks with it. King and Iffy are the same ie they've never got a clue what their best team is or what formation to play or they play to the opposition. Let other teams worry about us. Its no wonder the players look lost most of the time. One week its 433 the next 451 the next 442. For me we haven't changed a bit from when King was here. In fact I think we're worse.

I dont know what to think anymore

We've gone for proven expirenced managers in the past, and they've all been just as shit...

We usually get lucky with the unexpirenced ones really...

Fuck knows what the answer is. Anyways, fuck it. I'm off out now on the lash and bum some cheap Melksham whore. See, there are worse things than relegation. See ya.

 :mrgreen:

Every cloud and all that.

I think Iffy deserves a go in League Two. Why not? I want us to keep some familarity instead of having a new manager with 9 new players... We'll just struggle for another season.

that's actually an extremely good point and one i can't argue with whatsoever.

so i'll just sit here and twiddle my thumbs until next season begins.

i agree with melksham there, never thought about it like that. Its true.

sorry sade but bollocks.

formation wrong.
tactics wrong.
starting 11 wrong.
bench wrong.
substitutions wrong.

for a few weeks running now.

:D I'm not getting agressive or anything....

But what do you expect ? Sorry to point out the obvious but as a club we're not in the best position are we. Iffy came in and brought hope and confidence, did you expect him to be absolutely perfect and make every single right decision despite it being the first time he's ever been a manager, let alone at a club that are struggling to stay in league 1 ?
He's doing all he can, and we know that is has not proved to be good enough so far but for gods sake look at the bigger picture! He had a huge job on his hands.

He's earnt alot of respect from the players and the majority of the fans and I can see why.

Like I said, give him a chance next season and see how he does and for me thats when I'll decide.

We are all intitled to our opinions and its fair that I have mine too  :)

I'm kind of undecided on Iffy.
If he was announced as next seasons manager I wouldn't lose sleep. If he was sacked/moved aside and a new experienced manager came in I would be equally unmoved.

The man talks a good game, has clawed back the 5 points we were adrift at the foot of the table, has strengthened the squad from earlier in the season  and has laregely inherited the remainder.

On the other hand we look like going down, some of the formation and tactics have been strange, he seems not to be motivating the troups for the crunch games, and sometimes he seems far too relaxed when I am sitting by the car radio thinking" I hope he bollocks them for that performance".  

I think my major concern is how good his contacts and eye for a player are come close of season.

I don't know....

At the end of the day, the first 13 games of this season set the tone for us.  I've remained positive and I there is still a slim chance following the win in Scunthorpe, however we are where we are now because of the pre season and first 2 months of the season.

Was Iffy to blame for that, no.  To cock-up so badly on the contracts lays firmly at the board at the times feet.  Bad decision, which I think I've seen public admissions to since.

Pre-season, despite having problems with the home games our class of opposition was shocking and in no way prepared us for what many though would be a bit of a slog season.  We also signed a raft of players with little match practise for the best part of 18 months between them.  Both these areas will have had some influence from the then Manager, and both will have had some bearing on our shocking start.

My opinion is King held on too long and the board waited for the wrong time to make the decision.  Post 2004/05 season was the time to make it, if it was likely to happen.  What happened was a prolonged period of angst which in turn bled any chance of a quick recovery from the team.  Rather than any new Manager having a chance to make immediate changes they found a team in tatters and a fanbase dwindling with little appetite (fair play to those of you who stuck with it, we can see several hundred to a thousand or so had enough, and maybe with just cause).  Several years of off the field decisions combined to meet with our on the field mediocrity and created a team as poor as I have seen for 20 years or so.

What could Iffy do?  He had one option, to try and grind out a few results, however he could, just to stop the decline.  He managed it, but it meant we were already in the need for promotion form to stay up.  Since then, with marginal confidence he has managed mid table form from the team.  That means crap games and good games, it means the team may play well in patches but return to panic habits when the pressure is on.

Has he made mistakes? Yes.  Could he have done any better? Don't think so.  Could anyone else? Not sure, but very few could turn our form into promotion form given the background, and those that could would probably not be realistic.

There, it started shit, got worse, then got a bit better and has been average since.  Lose the start and we aren't getting relegated, lose the better bit and we went down several weeks ago like Stockport last season.

Sade (Mrs Mexico)
         I respect your opinion but i have to say it as i see it, Iffy Doesnt seem to learn by his mistakes . We cant afford to mess around and give someone a go because they might get better, this time next year we could be looking at the conference ! Changes need to be made , maybe Iffy would benefit from having an experienced coach along side him ?

How can things possibly work at the bottom if they are far from right at the top?

The club is a complete mess and examples need to be set at the top and filter down through the manager/playing staff etc. None of this is being currently done.  My blame is towards the persons higher up as I'm far from ready to start blaming iffy just yet.

Agreed, But  no-one is going to take on this club as it stands. Carson is a joke, Sir Seton is probably running out of patience and Money and unless there is a fairy Godmother out there then we are stuck with what we have got . Carson/SSW dont pick the side,dont decide the formation and as far as im aware they dont train them so the piss poor performances are down to the players and the management team .
                         You could bomb out all the under achievers and this would leave us with 4 or 5 players. I cant imagine that the likes of Peacock,Evans,Roberts et al will want to play league 2 next season so all in all we are fucked.
                   But on the other hand,Iffy may be a revelation next year and i will have to eat a huge slice of humble pie (which i will gladly do if i am proven wrong)

When he started we were 7 points adrift of 23rd place. People I know were betting on us going down before the start of March. I think we are in a much better position.

Fair comment but I don't think our losing streak would have went on forever regardless of who ended up incharge. I stand by my comments about Iffy. One win doesn't change my opinion of his management style. I agree with Foggy, if Onoura stays next season and does well then I will eat humble pie. I really hope that I have to but I just can't see it.

im of the belief that a manager should get one WHOLE season to show what he is worth

and in reality Iffy HASNT quite had that .. but pretty close

I think if we stay up obviously Iffy deserves to stay ... if we go down I think we should start afresh both on and off the pitch .. let youth have its chance and clear out the managerial staff .. Iffy .. Reeves and Woan .. make a clean start

the question of course .. who with?

Im hoping we stay up !

i've been at work after about 3 hours sleep so i'm a bit of a downy at the moment, but i hope that was sarcasm?

give him a chance...dont judge him till the end of next season. Once he has his own squad....say what you want about King, but did he sign a decent player this season?

He was screwed over by the board who wouldnt let him offer anyone a decent deal over a year,hence he couldnt sign anyone he wanted .They have seen the error of their ways to some extent and given Iffy more backing.

Personally I think that Cureton is an excellent player, whether or not he'll reach his full potential at Swindon remains to be seen.

If you pay lots of money for something you don't want poor quality. I think fans have a right to say what they feel. This let's get behind the team' talk is all well and good, and usually I would agree, but when your team hasn't performed all season why should you?

Personally I'm glad I've only been to 3 games this season. I haven't had the cash to go more often, but luckily the times I have we've played ok. I'd be mightily pissed off if I'd gone to the numerous games where we have done shite.

Before anyone starts saying I'm not a proper fan/supporter or whatever and so it doesn't entitle me to an opinion I'd just like to clarify:

1) Yes you're probably right.
2) This isn't pointing the finger at anyone in particular (shows I haven't fabricated my opinion on hear say and rumour), just saying if you're not happy when you've paid loads of money to watch performances not up to your expectations, you should be able to moan about it.

how many times have you actually seen cureton this season ben?

I'd wager he hasn't seen us play period.

Yet I agree....Cureton is a good player (not excellent) but he doesnt suite the league one style...he isnt big enough, he isnt strong enough and he doesnt get involved...he doesnt rough up the defenders enough, he doesnt let them know he is there. Even young Jutkiewicz managed this yesterday

curo is a decent player,infact i think he is probably our best,but if you want to bash up defenders and ping long balls then he aint the man for the job.

Cureton's passes often go astray, he bottles out of tackles, he can never get past a defender.

Granted he can finish, but that's about it. And even then he's missed a ton of sitters. He whinges whenever anything doesn't go his way either.Best player? Nope.

I think Iffy has done OK, he's been desperate recently and that comes with inexperience. The form table for the last 23 games leave us in the middle of the bottom half. Yes that means bugger all now, but it does show an improvement. Iffy was given a really tough job as he iherited a shit team, he's signed some good players in the likes of Brown and Peacock. Don't write him off next season, I think he could surprise a few people.

Brown is a massive cunt.

Care to give a reason why?

it's his fault i got kicked out at gillingham.

He got Sonic kicked out at Gillingham.
He was pissed Sunday night.
Hes total shit.

He aint shit, just not a wingback. He'll be useful in League Two.

You think everyones great which is a bit odd for a relagated team

Your in danger of dissapearing up your own arse . :D

Never said he was great, but he isnt shit. One of our better attacking players.

for a winger he lacks three basic abilities:

1) pace
2) crossing ability
3) taking on your man/dribbling

as a wingback he lacks five basic abilities:

1) as above
2) as above
3) as above
4) tackling/tracking back
5) fitness/work rate

He's pretty fast and I think his crossing is really good aswell. He takes on full backs a fair bit aswell, but recently he hasn't received the ball that much and he's usually out of position anyway.

perhaps you're confusing shakes and brown?

no, shakes has pace so he's marginally better

Fuck off!

Harsh on Brown Sonic, I think you're just bitter cos he get you chucked out  8)

brown is the biggest pile of wank since patrick collins.
everything is his fault and i hate him.

he's a lazy little bling merchant that speak like a rudebwoi get me.
i'd love to kick the shit out of him but he's likely to shoot me.

he's as slow as adi viveash and his crosses are shight.

neither shakes or brown are much cop at the moment. i'd like to see both of them match fit and confident though. preferably not playing against us

what the hell has happened to the club. Carson's a joke. he doesn't even go to the games. We need a football man or someone who knows how to run a business at the top.

all of the other clubs that have been down at the bottom with us have been able to raise their game in the last couple of weeks, cos it seems to me they really want to stay up. we just haven't raised our game at all.  :cry:  :(

Carson's just a figure head, it makes little difference if he stays or not.

We do have someone who knows how to run a football club at the top in mark devlin.

very true.