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Title: King's Contract.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 20:13:59
How long is it?

I'm pretty sure Devlin did some good work in that respect by ensuring the club weren't tied to him for too long but does anyone remember the details?


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 20:15:00
Rolling, I think.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 20:16:05
there was a clause in there that king would do his "best endevours" to manage the team. Like the Spurs fiasco we've been waiting a long time!


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 20:31:16
Quote from: "Boeta"
Rolling, I think.


Correct


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Johno on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 20:32:01
so, would it cost us anything to fire him?


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 20:33:47
Quote from: "Johno"
so, would it cost us anything to fire him?


if it's rolling surely we can just end it


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Johno on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 20:35:24
thats what i thought.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 20:48:07
maybe at the end of the season?


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: walrus on Saturday, January 22, 2005, 21:42:24
It's definitely a rolling contract.

There is no excuse not to fire him, so do it now!!   :beers


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Trowbridge Red on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 10:23:54
Yeah it is a rolling one year deal.
At any point if the he was to get sacked he would have to be paid off a years wages.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 12:46:33
Quote from: "Trowbridge Red"
Yeah it is a rolling one year deal.
At any point if the he was to get sacked he would have to be paid off a years wages.


 This is the downside.....if King goes people blithely assume that we will get in Wenger or someone, when the reality is it will be Reeeeeves or Walsh, or Iffy as a long shot.

 Now history tells us that such cut price appointments usually result in relegation the following season, this is what you would gamble, and the Board know it.

 For this reason unless the wheels fall off McMahon syle in the latter half of the season, we are stuck with King.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 13:03:31
yes reg. I don't think they will sack king, but if they did it would be at the end of the season. the club would take at least a year to get back where they were with king (if they appoint on of these managers), but if it will work in the long term then it may be worth a go.

Swindon has always gambled on unproven managers and has had mixed results. If only we could get another Hoddle....


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 14:21:37
Quote from: "simon pieman"
yes reg. I don't think they will sack king, but if they did it would be at the end of the season. the club would take at least a year to get back where they were with king (if they appoint on of these managers), but if it will work in the long term then it may be worth a go.

Swindon has always gambled on unproven managers and has had mixed results. If only we could get another Hoddle....


 The difference with an appointment like Hoddle, was that the previous manager left of his own choice, hence no compensation.....my understanding of a rolling contract is it commits to no more than a year of compensation, thus avoiding a Rix style situation at O*frod...where he would be eligible to 2 years of pay.

 When there is no compensation, then a new manager can be afforded......I would like to see Walsh go and King try and get in Harford.to be in charge of tactics etc.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Johno on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 14:34:15
we couldn't afford someone decent. reeves as manager..... i could see it!


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Amir on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 14:49:44
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
The difference with an appointment like Hoddle, was that the previous manager left of his own choice, hence no compensation.....my understanding of a rolling contract is it commits to no more than a year of compensation, thus avoiding a Rix style situation at O*frod...where he would be eligible to 2 years of pay.


While that sounds reasonable, surely they've shot themselves in the foot somewhat as it seems unlikely he'll ever leave of his own accord?


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Dazzza on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 16:06:31
There is a clause that stipulates King can be booted at minimal cost.  If you recall the last time his contract was up it was just after the disastrous run that would have seen him sacked if it was not from his threats to take the club yet again to court over unfair dismissal.

Because of admin and the alternative being Machin King never departed.  However Mark Devlin stated on the BBC that there would be a clause inserted to ensure a similar situation would never arise again.  

One of the reasons I dislike the arrogant fool so much.  Evans walked away like a true gent for nothing in comparison King threatens on two separate occasions to shaft the club in court.

Probably one of the reasons Devlin was so public about something that you would normally expect to be quite a private issue.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 16:15:57
I think minimal cost is a relative term though Dazzza....when King signed up first time it was under the Brady regime.....he was talking about it at the AGM. they all had gratis accommodation in the Wiltshire Hotel for 3 months on the club.

  He claimed the youth team budget then wasn't too far removed from the 1st team budget now.

 So I think relative to what that would have cost yes the 80K now is relatively cheap....but someones still got to pay it.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Dazzza on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 16:34:58
Surely though based on results and performance you could argue he is not doing his job and could rightfully be booted for nothing at all.

You would have to hope that anyone with an ounce of self respect and a love of the club or the game in general would walk away without threatening to cause the club more financial woes.

Then again its King were talking about.

A bit harsh but I’m fed up of the comic’s nonsensical comments and excuses.

Short term memory loss indeed.  Just about a weeks worth this time around.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 16:45:24
Its rare for a manager to just walk away, without a pay off of some sort......King's mate Reid has made himself one of the country's richest managers from collecting pay offs etc from Leeds and Sunderland and now Cov.

 I always thought Roy Evans deserved a bit more credit than he got when he walked.

 Although of course Carson and co asked him to stay but on reduced terms, he could have done a Rudddock.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 16:47:39
yes i thought that Roy Evans was top dog for doing that. However Ruddock wanted to collect his money because it would be his last paycheck from football


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: walrus on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 17:07:07
Surely King would be unable to sue the club for unfair dismissal, as this would set a whole new precident in club football.  How do you define whether or not a football manager has been satisfactory in his job?  That is surely an empty threat and I highly doubt it would make court, I cannot see this as a geniune reason for not sacking King.

As for justifying the sacking of King, King claimed we need to win the next four games prior to the Blackpool game to get into the playoffs.  He also said that failing to make the playoffs would be an underachievement.  We have one point from the first half of those four games, therefore we a justified in sacking him.


Title: King's Contract.
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, January 23, 2005, 17:12:49
if somebody hasn't completed a full years continuous employment then they cannot claim unfair dismissal. in other words, it wasn't unfair dismissal the first time around, just that we couldn't afford to go to court