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Title: fallon Post by: DMR on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 16:45:34 http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=971&p=16&style=2&forumId=6475&action=1&replytoid=2123750714
our recent form and this thread confirm it was the best business our board have done for 5 years, in my humble opinion Title: fallon Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:01:37 Quote This is not a criticism of Fallon as a player because I think he's quite good at what he does. It's just that what he does best doesn't suit us and what we do best doesn't suit him and I can't see that situation changing or at least, not in the short term. I can only assume that Jackett has this type of tactic as a long term aim but, at the moment, it is making us a one dimensional team when we weren't before. Looks like decent bit of business to me as wellMaster Russell. Like the Iffmonger says it's only a matter of time before the Peacock starts getting a few more goals and we have a decent balance of play up front. Still, it would be nice to see a few more come from throughout the side. O'Hanlon's good for a couple but it would be nice to see Shakes an ex-striker and fairly good one by all accounts get a few as well as Gurney to get a few more towards his usual tally. Title: fallon Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:26:34 They always regret leaving don't they......when will they learn????!!!!
Title: fallon Post by: strooood on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:31:17 whats wrong with mcleod?
he's a hell of a player. id have him over brown every day. as for fallon, he's pure confidence. being a small fish in a huge pond wont suit him atall Title: fallon Post by: adje on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:37:49 Quote from: "dazzza" Quote This is not a criticism of Fallon as a player because I think he's quite good at what he does. It's just that what he does best doesn't suit us and what we do best doesn't suit him and I can't see that situation changing or at least, not in the short term. I can only assume that Jackett has this type of tactic as a long term aim but, at the moment, it is making us a one dimensional team when we weren't before. Looks like decent bit of business to me as wellMaster Russell. Like the Iffmonger says it's only a matter of time before the Peacock starts getting a few more goals and we have a decent balance of play up front. Still, it would be nice to see a few more come from throughout the side. O'Hanlon's good for a couple but it would be nice to see Shakes an ex-striker and fairly good one by all accounts get a few as well as Gurney to get a few more towards his usual tally. Dont alter the fact he scored 14 goals for us Title: fallon Post by: red macca on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:39:50 it dont alter the facts that the whole team on the whole seem to have stepped up a gear since he left.cureton in particular
Title: fallon Post by: my-velocity on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:51:33 Quote from: "adje" Quote from: "dazzza" Quote This is not a criticism of Fallon as a player because I think he's quite good at what he does. It's just that what he does best doesn't suit us and what we do best doesn't suit him and I can't see that situation changing or at least, not in the short term. I can only assume that Jackett has this type of tactic as a long term aim but, at the moment, it is making us a one dimensional team when we weren't before. Looks like decent bit of business to me as wellMaster Russell. Like the Iffmonger says it's only a matter of time before the Peacock starts getting a few more goals and we have a decent balance of play up front. Still, it would be nice to see a few more come from throughout the side. O'Hanlon's good for a couple but it would be nice to see Shakes an ex-striker and fairly good one by all accounts get a few as well as Gurney to get a few more towards his usual tally. Dont alter the fact he scored 14 goals for us Yeah he scored 14, we thank him but didn't you get sick and tired of the same old long balls to him every match. It got very repetitive as i'm sure some of you would agree. Title: fallon Post by: my-velocity on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:52:24 Quote from: "red macca" it dont alter the facts that the whole team on the whole seem to have stepped up a gear since he left.cureton in particular Because were not hoofing it up there all the time, were playng much better football without Fallon. Title: fallon Post by: DV on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:53:14 Quote from: "stfcbeckett" Quote from: "red macca" it dont alter the facts that the whole team on the whole seem to have stepped up a gear since he left.cureton in particular Because were not hoofing it up there all the time, were playng much better football without Fallon. ....because we only EVER played hoofball to Fallon....and now we dont hoof it AT ALL? Title: fallon Post by: red macca on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 17:58:49 Quote from: "stfcbeckett" Quote from: "red macca" it dont alter the facts that the whole team on the whole seem to have stepped up a gear since he left.cureton in particular Because were not hoofing it up there all the time, were playng much better football without Fallon. Title: fallon Post by: DV on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 18:08:47 Yep hoofball is well and truely gone....how did our goal come about yesterday, please remind me?
Title: fallon Post by: red macca on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 18:12:02 there is a difference between hoofball and direct football..alot of people say bolton play hoofball yet the stats from my nuts magazine show they are 4th in the league for playing the most short passes..if i heard right dv85 we created another 2 chances like the goal is this hoofball or is it effective direct football
Title: fallon Post by: DV on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 18:14:30 Quote from: "red macca" there is a difference between hoofball and direct football..alot of people say bolton play hoofball yet the stats from my nuts magazine show they are 4th in the league for playing the most short passes..if i heard right dv85 we created another 2 chances like the goal is this hoofball or is it effective direct football its the same thing.... Title: fallon Post by: red macca on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 18:20:01 no its not
Title: fallon Post by: DV on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 18:27:05 Quote from: "red macca" no its not Ummm yes it is....where is the difference. Both including getting the ball and lumping it forward. It was hoofball when Fallon was here, now its direct football because he has gone? Title: fallon Post by: red macca on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 18:29:01 no its direct because it is now effective..how many of his 14 goals came from crosses or hoofing it..i have to go for a hour now
so no its not :D Title: fallon Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 18:52:16 DV & Macca - call it whatever you want. i couldnt give a fuck - we're winning.
We tried to play nice football under king and we were shite. Give me (relative) success over style any day. Title: fallon Post by: adje on Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 19:17:39 I know he's gone and its history but I cant stand by and watch history being re-written like this.Only ONE of Fallons goals this season came from so-called "hoofball".Check 'em out;6 from crosses(Bournemouth,Hart,Roth,Colch,MKD,Brad)4 from superb build-up play from midfield(Shitty,P Vale,Forest,Yeovil)1 superb individual skill(Bradford )1 pen and 1 "hoofer" against Southend(didn't see the Stevenage one).Now its academic but lets give the guy a bit of credit-there's no way that anyone can say Peacock is an improvement YET.Fallon and Curo only started together 7 times and scored 4 between them in those games.I remember Curo setting up Fallon v Forest and they didn't look bad together at Gills or Bournemouth at home.
Title: fallon Post by: janaage on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 09:13:39 The fact of the matter is that despite his height Fallon never was great in the air. To be fair to the lad whenever he played it was the other players who loved to knock it long to him. Unfortunatly Rory didn't have the touch or the skill of Lee Peacock to get the ball down and connect with other attacking players.
Peacock likes to get the ball down, Curo likes the ball at his feet and we're reaping the rewards. Thanks for the 14 goals Rory but we're a better team without you. And even DV85 can't deny that. Title: fallon Post by: strooood on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 10:46:38 i think the run we're on, and the fact we're finally out of the relegation places proves jan's point perfectly.
the problem with hoofball is that ironically it puts the defence under more pressure because possession is given away and the oppo can get another attack going straight away. lets not be stupid and say we're playing total football, but the ball does seem to stick up top more since fallon's gone. i dont really want to say im glad he's gone, but all i want is a winning side, regardless of players and the fact is we have won 3 games in the two weeks rory has been in wales. Title: fallon Post by: Cookie on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 11:16:28 The good run started back in November, whilst we still had Fallon, in fact I would go as far to say he was instrumental in the good run. He won headers, held up the ball, scored goals and carried a shite team on his shoulders for much of the season.
The difference now is that we have quite a few players making a difference; cureton, shakes, brown, smith, ifil, peacock Nicho etc. I don't think the arrival of Peacock and the departure of Fallon has been the key element of the teams improvement. I think there has been a general continual improvement since iffy took over as manager with and without Fallon. Still £300k is a lot of money and Peacock is a good player (if not a goalscorer like Fallon is/was). Title: fallon Post by: adje on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 13:16:48 Quote from: "strooood" i think the run we're on, and the fact we're finally out of the relegation places proves jan's point perfectly. the problem with hoofball is that ironically it puts the defence under more pressure because possession is given away and the oppo can get another attack going straight away. lets not be stupid and say we're playing total football, but the ball does seem to stick up top more since fallon's gone. i dont really want to say im glad he's gone, but all i want is a winning side, regardless of players and the fact is we have won 3 games in the two weeks rory has been in wales. Please check Fallon's goals out-11 of'em were as a resultof crosses or gradual build-up play through the midfield.Peacock could prove to be a good replacement but we'll have to see imo.Fallon was equally good in the air and as able to hold the ball up as Peacock.Cookie's right. Title: fallon Post by: DMR on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 14:27:48 Anyone who says Fallon 'held up the ball' is frankly a spastic.
He was like Bambi on ice but with less poise. Title: fallon Post by: Spud on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 15:59:29 Quote from: "dave_m_russell" Anyone who says Fallon 'held up the ball' is frankly a spastic. He was like Bambi on ice but with less poise. :nod: well said that man, the ball used to just hit him and he tried his best to keep it somewhere near him. Title: fallon Post by: adje on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 16:05:35 As is anyone who says he was not good in the air.Frankly.
Title: fallon Post by: janaage on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 16:08:44 Fallon was shit in the air. The amount of times he misjudged the flight of the ball and it would sail over his head amazed me.
Just when I thought the subject of Fallon was closed...... Title: fallon Post by: adje on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 16:35:55 Quote from: "janaage" Fallon was shit in the air. The amount of times he misjudged the flight of the ball and it would sail over his head amazed me. Just when I thought the subject of Fallon was closed...... Yeah,yhey were shit headers against Bournemouth,Colchester,MKD,Bradford and Hartlepool.The goal v'Pool disproves both the "cant hold the ball up" and "shit in the air"theories. Title: fallon Post by: Spud on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 16:37:56 Quote from: "adje" Quote from: "janaage" Fallon was shit in the air. The amount of times he misjudged the flight of the ball and it would sail over his head amazed me. Just when I thought the subject of Fallon was closed...... Yeah,yhey were shit headers against Bournemouth,Colchester,MKD,Bradford and Hartlepool.The goal v'Pool disproves both the "cant hold the ball up" and "shit in the air"theories. So one good hold up play says he's good at it?. :? Title: fallon Post by: adje on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 16:56:52 Just using that one as an example.Away at Gillingham he set up 4 or 5 chances in both ways.Thats another example etc.etc....Im not saying he's a fucking world beater,just there was more to his game than people are making out.
Title: fallon Post by: janaage on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 16:59:16 He scored a over head kick against City, does that make him Pele? The sun even shines on dogs asses somedays!!!
Title: fallon Post by: adje on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 17:04:27 Thats another example of his ability to nold the ball up!
Title: fallon Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 17:08:06 nolding the ball up is something you don't see a lot of any more. :|
Title: fallon Post by: adje on Thursday, February 16, 2006, 17:09:25 OOOPS :oops:
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