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Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Friday, January 6, 2006, 07:45:11

Says on Radio Swindon he's not going to sign a new contract. Either we sell him or lose him for nowt.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: larwood on Friday, January 6, 2006, 08:23:41

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Says on Radio Swindon he's not going to sign a new contract. Either we sell him or lose him for nowt.

On the teletext its says Swansea are believed to have bid 300 grand,which we have turned down,but its the kind of news that could unsettle Roryand turn his head.If he's going to leave,we should try and get some money for him.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: McLovin on Friday, January 6, 2006, 08:44:21

Is Rory turning into the next Grant Smith... "love the club and fans, want to stay, want a contract etc..." GONE?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2006, 09:16:42

Not good news. Was that a not going to sign a new contract unless chenges are made to it, or not going to sign full stop?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Friday, January 6, 2006, 09:21:53

not signing at all i think. :(

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 09:28:03

Well thank fuck for that. Fuck off Fallon if he's not gonna sign, cash in on him now!!!!

If he thinks England lacks culture wait til he gets to South Wales!!!

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2006, 09:31:47

Quote from: "Maidenhead Red"

not signing at all i think. :(

Hmmm. Sounds then that he is angling for a move. If that's the case then I guess we have no option but to cash in. We don't want a player who doesn't want to be here. The consequences could be dire though.

Do Swansea still want him now they have Leon Shite?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: fatbury on Friday, January 6, 2006, 09:36:36

If he has to go ... we shud sign Jon Parkin off Macclesfield .. hes going cheap as Macc are in financial difficulties

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Friday, January 6, 2006, 09:37:40

In the Sun today the figure offered by swansea was £100,000. Should we have taken that?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: larwood on Friday, January 6, 2006, 09:37:48

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Do Swansea still want him now they have Leon Shite?

:shock: Really,thats a weight off my mind,i thought he was joining us :wink:
In an ideal world i would like Rory to stay,but if he wants to go we don't have a lot of choice and i expect he would like to make us some money as well.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: STFC Village on Friday, January 6, 2006, 11:39:58

Quote from: "Maidenhead Red"

In the Sun today the figure offered by swansea was £100,000. Should we have taken that?

No. But if it was £300k, there is no chance of us getting that for him now :x

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: fatbury on Friday, January 6, 2006, 11:40:57

whats the betting he goes to Forest for £150k ... or £100k and a player (like Gareth Taylor for example!)

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Dazzza on Friday, January 6, 2006, 12:16:35

What reason have they given and have they definitely said ‘he’s not going to sign’?

Seems strange to me as I thought he was well on the way to completing a new deal.

You never know though may just be a blip, when you look at how long it’s taken the club to sort out contracts in the past for the likes of Parkin and King, particularly mid-season then I wouldn’t be to stressed until something concrete is announced.

How old is Rory anyway, he’s around the 24 mark anyway isn’t he?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 12:21:50

Is Rhys out of contract this summer (again) if so I'd prefer us to concentrate our efforts on keeping him and flogging dear Rory.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: STFC_Chris on Friday, January 6, 2006, 12:23:36

Quote from: "janaage"

Is Rhys out of contract this summer (again) if so I'd prefer us to concentrate our efforts on keeping him and flogging dear Rory.

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/News_Headlines_Story.asp?NewsID=5144
Rhys is happy to start contract talks. :beers:

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 12:57:41

id rather stay up and lose him for nowt, that flog him and go down.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: le god cuervo on Friday, January 6, 2006, 12:58:22

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The Town manager said: “It’s something I will look at, depending on who we get in.
“I like to have options but it would be daft to have a bloated squad where people really aren’t in my plans.
“If I felt that was the case then I would speak to people and say to individuals perhaps you could go out on loan or permanently.”

nicolau on the way? lapham maybe? neither have featured too much under iffy.

as for contracts i reckon it would be worth tying up evans, o'hanlon, shakes, smith etc for another year (or two) maybe CCP as well.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:00:08

Quote from: "DV85"

id rather stay up and lose him for nowt, that flog him and go down.

How about going down and losing him for nowt, that'd be good eh?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:02:40

Quote from: "janaage"

Quote from: "DV85"

id rather stay up and lose him for nowt, that flog him and go down.

How about going down and losing him for nowt, that'd be good eh?

Worth the gamble....if we sell are only goal scorer we are admitting defeat and relegation.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:08:10

No we're not at all. We're facing the fact that we were going to lose him anyway. There's no way we can rely on a player to save us, in the knowledge that he doesn't give a fuck, due to the fact he's already got he's nice transfer to <insert team name>.

Ship him out get someone in who's up for a relegation battle. These loan players aren't the answer either, why do we expect them to fight for STFC when they're not really connected with the club.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:15:10

again, who will score our goals Jan?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:16:32

Fallon - has done the business so far. If he plans to go at the end of the season then I guess he might be distracted but I'd take that risk and keep him. I'm sure we'd be further up the creek if we go down by selling Fallon that stay up and losing him for free. There are no guarentees we won't go down and lose him for free mind.

Loan Players - They are on loan for a reason. They have a lot to prove. They aren't going to get a new contract/club by not gving a stuff. The issue is whether they are good enough in the first place.

Normal Players - They largely don't give a stuff about STFC any more than any other employer. Noone wants relagation but if that happens and a better offer comes along they'll be off.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: mattboyslim on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:20:15

unlike many of our recent players the one thing I won't say of Fallon is he doesn't care. It strikes me he actually gives a damn and makes the effort. But you couldn't blame him for wanting to further his career and bank balance IMHO. If he goes we will need to permanantly sign a worthy replacement and these are neither cheap nor easy to come by.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:21:31

I believe that Jamie Cueton is more of an asset to this club than Rory Fallon, who it seems now wants to leave. Who knows what will happen over the next couple of months, but I do not see Fallon's departure key to our fate.

He is not dragging us through games, like Parkin used to, we are not a one man team.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:41:23

Quote from: "janaage"

I believe that Jamie Cueton is more of an asset to this club than Rory Fallon,

Thats laughable, Jamie Cureton has scored 0 goals earning us 0 points. Rory Fallon has score 13 goals earning us 16 points, including scoring the winners at Colchester, Rotherham and Bristol City

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who it seems now wants to leave.

and you think Cureton wants to stay here, knowing there is as good as a contract waiting for him at high flying Colchester.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:43:14

Good contract at Colchester, they're not exactly rolling in money.

Like I say how many goals did Jan score in his first few months at this great club of ours? Just because he's had an indifferent start doesn't mean that lean spell will continue. as he proved at Col U.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:45:44

Quote from: "janaage"

I didnt say good contract did I, I meant to say that there is as good as one waiting for him.

I agree that Cureton might come good, I want him to come good but thats still no reason to get rid of Fallon.

Say Cureton can score 13 between now and the end of the season, that doesnt mean we will win enough games to climb out of it.

We need both Cureton and Fallon scoring goals to survive.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:53:23

I'd say we need Curo and A.N.other striker, not necessarily Rory.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:54:58

Quote from: "janaage"

I'd say we need Curo and A.N.other striker, not necessarily Rory.

I'd say we need Rory and A.N.other striker, not necessarily Curo

Mainly because Fallon has done the business.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:57:32

I think it's time to agree to disagree on this one. Both miles apart in our views, I'm happy with my opinion, you're happy with yours.

We'll talk if and when something concrete happens.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: yeo on Friday, January 6, 2006, 14:00:49

Janaage your deluded me old mate.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 6, 2006, 14:07:36

We'll see YR.

To be honest I just don't like the idea of players walking out on a free, when we can cash in now.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: yeo on Friday, January 6, 2006, 14:11:07

I like agreeing with DV even less. :D

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, January 6, 2006, 15:31:50

This means there's all the more reason why we should sell him. Anything over £150k and I'd take it to be honest, we can't afford to lose him for nothing. Keeping Fallon is no guarantee of staying up and selling Fallon doesn't have to confirm relegation.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Johno on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:05:08

sell him. if need be.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:07:14

I'd wait until we know for sure what Fallon is doing to be honest

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: mattboyslim on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:10:01

True r4e, if he's turned a deal down it suggests he may want out, only then would I sell him. Once again if this is all true I fear agents at play again, he seemed happy to sign a couple of weeks back, and recent results suggest things are slowly improving yet something seems to have changed.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: yeo on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:17:02

Fallon has scored 11? goals ths season so far how do you think we will replace these with these?

We lost Parkin and replaced him with 2 proven goal scorers both of whom couldnt score and that was at a time when players werent turned off coming here by our league position.

What decent goal scorer is going to want to join a second division relegation scrap?

If it means losing 100,000 grands worth of player at the end of the season then so be it the cost of relagtion will be much more.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:19:26

Quote from: "Yeovil Red"

13 in league and cup.

Otherwise, Spot on Yeovil

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: mattboyslim on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:20:52

Agreed Yeovil, but will his heart still be in it if he knows he off in the summer. Personally an inform proven goalscorer could be enoguh to save us and he should stay but if he loses the enthusiasm he could become a liability. Hopefully he wants to stay but it is a consideration if he wants to leave. Look at Rotherham who've lost their top scorer and the likely departure of McLeod from Franchise, when I see that it gives me a boost, I guess other clubs would think the same if Fallon left us.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:43:47

anyone got a bit more detail about this story please?

i'm really not sure what to think, i thought it was odd when he delayed signing a new contract until after the new year (i.e. the transfer window) but i think it's fairly obvious why he chose to do that. now that someone has made an offer for him, why would he want to stay?

personally i think he's a cunt for doing that but i don't fancy our chances of staying up without him.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:45:46

Its a tough decision and hard to make judgments when we don't know
a) Why Fallon hasn't signed a new contract
b) Who is interested
c) How much they will pay
d) How much of that would be put into helping us STAY IN THE DIVISION

The way things are lookin we could well be relegated and that is not what a club in our positin needs, it could be a serious problem.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:55:06

If Fallon wants to jump ship to the first team that offer him a better wage, then he might want to talk to his friend cunt smith first :evil:

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Dazzza on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:59:38

Anyone got anything concrete on this yet that I can read?

Just because he's turned down an offer it doesn't mean the board or the player aren't going to negotiate another.

I've read elsewhere that Sir Les is set to sign on a short term deal until the end of the season with the TV production company spunking up the cash.

Sounds like utter shite but I'd quite like 'Sir Les' on the back of a shirt.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Dazzza on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:07:17

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2006/01/06/stfc_060106_feature.shtml

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Deal or no deal for Fallon?
Swindon Town deputy chairman Mark Devlin admits if Rory Fallon will not sign a new deal, the club face a decision which could influence whether or not they are relegated.

The Robins started contract talks with their top scorer over two months ago, but nothing has yet been agreed.

If Fallon does not sign a deal in the next couple of weeks, Swindon will have to decide whether to transfer him to one of the clubs who have bid for him, or risk losing him on a Bosman free transfer in the summer.

Devlin accepts whatever they do in such a situation will have a bearing on whether or not they survive in League One.

He said: "There will be people who are critical of whatever decision is ultimately made. Whether they are critical of the board or of Rory. Whatever it might be, these are the facts of football.

In an ideal world this would have been put to bed a lot earlier but we don't live in an ideal world. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

"At the moment we're focusing on trying to obtain his signature on the contract."

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Dazzza on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:10:17

Fart + Bucket :)

It does indicate that things are not exactly rosey and the dilema remains the same but it sounds far from dead to me.

Title: Re: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Spud on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:15:05

Quote from: "Maidenhead Red"

Says on Radio Swindon he's not going to sign a new contract. Either we sell him or lose him for nowt.

Yet again money talks!, if thats true then he might aswell fuck off now. :evil:

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:16:04

Well it looks like he wont be goin to Swansea (as they have signed Leon Shite....) but im sure Notts F will still be sniffin around for him.....If Fallon puts the contract talks on hold for any longer then i say flog him, but only if the price is right, say 150k plus....

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:22:25

he wont go to notts forest....

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:33:13

Quote from: "DV85"

he wont go to notts forest....

Even if they put in another bid for him? Im sure he would

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: alex on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:39:10

The Swansea manager said he valued Fallon between 250K and 300K... so we must have turned an offer down that was somewhere inbetween that. Therefore for Fallon to leave, somebody is going to have to offer more than that to land Fallon. i don't think 300K would be too bad for a player like Fallon. Considering Parkin went for something between 450 and 750K, I wouldn't complain too much if Fallon left for 300K. Hes good for us now hes settled in but I think he would be the donkey we saw last season if he moved again. Hes only just started playing regularly, why the hell the man would want to move is an interesting question. I know we aren't in a great position in the league, but lets face it: last year Fallon was being loaned out to Yeovil! It would be crazy if he worked so hard to earn a place at Swindon and then just buggered off and had to do it all again at his next club!

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:39:45

Quote from: "PHIL!!!!"

Quote from: "DV85"

he wont go to notts forest....

Even if they put in another bid for him? Im sure he would

Notts Forest dont exist....

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: alex on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:40:09

Notts Forrest can't afford him... they're having to loan out Marlon King because they can't afford his wages, how are they going to find 300k?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:40:56

Quote from: "alex"

Yeah, true

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:41:52

Quote from: "alex"

Notts Forrest can't afford him... they're having to loan out Marlon King because they can't afford his wages, how are they going to find 300k?

NOTTM forest just sold Marlon King for 500k?

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:42:06

Quote from: "DV85"

Quote from: "PHIL!!!!"

Quote from: "DV85"

he wont go to notts forest....

Even if they put in another bid for him? Im sure he would

Notts Forest dont exist....

NOTTINGHAM FOREST then :roll: Lots of people call them Notts Forest anyway

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Spud on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:42:13

Quote from: "alex"

Notts Forrest can't afford him... they're having to loan out Marlon King because they can't afford his wages, how are they going to find 300k?

He signed for Watford a while back.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:42:50

Quote from: "PHIL!!!!"

Quote from: "DV85"

Quote from: "PHIL!!!!"

Quote from: "DV85"

he wont go to notts forest....

Even if they put in another bid for him? Im sure he would

Notts Forest dont exist....

NOTTINGHAM FOREST then :roll: Lots of people call them Notts Forest anyway

No they dont, its NOTTM Forest..... :D

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:42:55

Quote from: "DV85"

Quote from: "alex"

Notts Forrest can't afford him... they're having to loan out Marlon King because they can't afford his wages, how are they going to find 300k?

NOTTM forest just sold Marlon King for 500k?

Nottm forest don't exist though........Nottingham Forest do however :wink:

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:43:24

Quote from: "DV85"

Quote from: "PHIL!!!!"

Quote from: "DV85"

Quote from: "PHIL!!!!"

Quote from: "DV85"

he wont go to notts forest....

Even if they put in another bid for him? Im sure he would

Notts Forest dont exist....

NOTTINGHAM FOREST then :roll: Lots of people call them Notts Forest anyway

No they dont, its NOTTM Forest..... :D

haha :)

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: red macca on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:51:59

Quote from: "dazzza"

where did you here this dazza..probably total bollocks but i would be happy with that

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, January 6, 2006, 18:12:53

NOTTS COUNTY = Nottinghamshire (i.e. county)

NOTTM FOREST = Nottingham (i.e. city)

Swindon 1 - 2 Forest :oops:

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Dazzza on Friday, January 6, 2006, 18:27:09

Quote from: "red macca"

Quote from: "dazzza"

where did you here this dazza..probably total bollocks but i would be happy with that

Little birdies whispering crap in my ear and there's also a mention on the Rivals site.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Leggett on Friday, January 6, 2006, 18:50:33

that would be [worst brooklyn accent ever]SOOPWERB[/worst brooklyn accent ever]

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Whits on Friday, January 6, 2006, 18:53:59

sir les - fucking awesome 8)

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: red macca on Friday, January 6, 2006, 19:08:07

if we sign him i would get my gay m8 to bum him

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: pumbaa on Friday, January 6, 2006, 19:19:34

Quote from: "reeves4england"

R4E makes some very good points in this post. Currently not a lot of facts are known except:

1. Rory has not signed a contract after 2 months of negotiations
2. An offer has been made for him

Is it fair to assume that Swansea have withdrawn their interest now they have signed Leon Shite? Maybe, they might want to cash in on Trundle and see Rory as a replacement?

Clearly there is doubt in his own mind regarding the offer in terms of money or the level of football we will be playing next season. Does he really want to commit himself to the club and possibly play in L2 next season?

Money talks today, and there is no loyalty in football like there was. Can you blame someone for wanting to better themselves, granted moving anywhere is a risk, as proven by Mr G Smith.

So my opinion for what its worth (not as much as Rory) - cash in now, not for less than 300k, on the understanding that Iffy gets money to spend to secure a replacement. Its a gamble in our current position, but it has to be one worth taking.

And 1.4M for Izale McLeod has to be a wind-up.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Reeves for King on Friday, January 6, 2006, 23:14:00

Swansea, sccording to the WDP, still favour signing a targetman in the Fallon ilk. Grant Holt of Rochdale is considered their main target, but Fallon is likely to command a lower price.

Although Fallon hasn't signed a new contract yet, we could cite the example of Mr Sam Parkin who dawdled for a while before signing about this time 2 years ago, which would give us hope that we will keep him.

However Parkin was a good bloke who seemed to recognise Swindon gave him a chance, as well as no-one being interested in him at that time. In Fallon's case there are a number of clubs interested, so perhaps the furore has influenced him. This a major difference between the two scenarios.

It all points in the end to Fallon pointing himself to the door. An unstisfactory end to a mystifying situation.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 23:21:49

the difference was, Parkin knew he was good and there would always be teams interested in him.

Fallon knows he is on a purple patch and wants to move up in the game before he turns shit again 8)

Parkin knew he was going anyway and we werent going to stop him, just this way it earnt the club some money in the process.

Title: Fallon's contract issues
Post by: Spud on Saturday, January 7, 2006, 12:58:35

I dont think Fallon will do well in The Championship, he's found his level in League One.