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Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: sheepshagger on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:09:43
Says in the Western Daily Pressthat Grant Smith has been told he can leave Brizzle Shitty.....

Also says that Iffy will NOT rule out a move for him........

I think a lot has been said negatively about him (money grabbing etc...) but I also think he had bad advice from his Dad and that OUR board (as usual) were too slow !

I would like to see him back - but I don't think it will be a popular suggestion...........


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:10:54
no!

i'd much rather see him rot at city. don't think he's the solution to our problems, however much we do lack goals. we need a strong combative midfielder not a flair player.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: janaage on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:11:20
Come back Smithy all is forgiven, you only went there for the money, but wouldn't anyone???  If someone offered me three times the salary and three times the length of contract I'd go!!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:12:07
If Grant Smith re-signs for Swindon I cannot wait to hear his first interview back at the club.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: sheepshagger on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:18:20
Sonic - bit shortsighted perhaps ?

As I remember he won a lot of balls in the middle of midfield - can also play out wide AND scored 10 goals from midfield in half a season.....

Sounds like just the sort of player we need.......

Although that first interview would be fucking funny !!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:19:27
Not entirely convinced by Grunt's attitude.  

He shot himself somewhat in the foot with all the ‘I want to stay comments’ and the protracted negotiations.  Alright the board didn’t exactly excel themselves in the whole affair but if he’d have been as straight-up as say Heywood I could have given him some leeway.

He also looked like he’d been piling on the pork against City and without a defensively minded Duke alongside him I’m not convinced he would be half as effective as he was towards the end of last season.

One to miss I think.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: janaage on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:20:34
Yeah I wouldn't necessarily call him a flair player.  Quite a grinder and a class free kick on him, save us from watching Gurney's feeble attempts!!

Can't him him wanting to come back though, he'd be back on peanuts.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:25:38
I'd have him back, but only on a short term/loan deal. He seemed to be good when he was looking for a new contract.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: McLovin on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:29:36
It was the manner in which he left.  Him and Heywood were both right to leave, but only one of them showed any respect for the club and its fans in doing so.  It wasn't Smith.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:42:27
as per usual sonic is correct, smith can fuck right off.

"gurneys feeble attempts"

GURNS ACTUALLY GIVES A FUCK FOR GODS SAKE! HE'S PASSIONATE AND TBH I'D RATHER SEE US GO DOWN WITH 10 GURNS ON THE FIELD THAN WATCH THAT SCOTCH CUNT WALTZ BACK INTO TOWN


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Amir on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:45:03
I'm in two minds over this.  If he does come back they should at least put him in the stocks.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:47:16
He would do a good job for us and would get us a few much needed goals. FACT!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:48:29
Quote from: "bennett"
as per usual sonic can fuck right off.



Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: DV on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:49:48
He only started playing when after a new contract

He said he wanted to stay, he didnt
He said he wanted 2 years, we got rid of players so we could offer him 2 years, he didnt sign it

He's a cunt of the highest order, I'd personally like to see him rot at City.

Should have stayed with first team football, you money grabbing scabby cunt, now fuck to somewhere really shit like Halifax


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Luci on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:55:38
Just remember that this came from the WDP............


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: janaage on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 13:02:11
Quote from: "bennett"
as per usual sonic is correct, smith can fuck right off.

"gurneys feeble attempts"

GURNS ACTUALLY GIVES A FUCK FOR GODS SAKE! HE'S PASSIONATE AND TBH I'D RATHER SEE US GO DOWN WITH 10 GURNS ON THE FIELD THAN WATCH THAT SCOTCH CUNT WALTZ BACK INTO TOWN


If you're happy watching Gurney fair play to you.  I'd much rather watch a footballer like Smith play for us than a thug like Gurney.  The bloke was a disgrace against Swansea, just glad he mistimed his shit tackle after his shit corner during his utterly shit performance.  Could even win a midfield header against himself at one stage.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: FlashGordon on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 14:12:04
Fuck off, Gurns can be a decent player, wasnt THAT bad vs swansea least he shows a bit of fight in the midfield, whats wrong with a crunching tackle ffs!!

As for Smith, not completely sure but would prob welcome him back due to the fact we need bodies and goals!!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Sade on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 14:13:41
If smith came back I would be half and half. He was a back stabber with the whole move to city thing, but footballers come and go don't they and he was thinking about his career just like any other footballer does.

He's not a bad player and he may come back and really help us, especially now quite a few of our loanees have gone. If iffy decides to bring him back- give the guy a chance. We are at the bottom of the table, we need to take chances and see what happens.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: FlashGordon on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 14:19:36
Another option...pinch half decent players from Peterboro on the cheap? Della Bona?


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:04:59
Quote from: "sheepshagger"
Sonic - bit shortsighted perhaps ?

As I remember he won a lot of balls in the middle of midfield - can also play out wide AND scored 10 goals from midfield in half a season.....

Sounds like just the sort of player we need.......

Although that first interview would be fucking funny !!


he won a lot of balls in midfield, but that was in comparison to hewlett.

i'm not convinced that he'd reproduce the sort of form he showed last season, you have to remember that he was fairly indifferent on the rare occasions he was picked until his contract was due for renewal and he got a run in the side.

if he sacked his old man as agent i might reconsider.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: yeo on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:12:36
Id  have him back.

Iffys is going to sign Brian Howard next week as well and install Kingy as his assistant manager 8)


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: janaage on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:15:00
Sonic "if he sacked his old man as agent i might reconsider"

I like that idea.

And Gurney was that bad against Swansea, he was completely anonymous in the second half.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Boeta on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:28:28
id have him back for sure


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:31:50
No way total cunt. I'd rather have Igoe, howard, Mooney, Heywood, Duke or Hewlett back easy. Serves the prick right that he's not playing.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:34:51
No way total cunt. I'd rather have Igoe, howard, Mooney, Heywood, Duke or Hewlett back easy. Serves the prick right that he's not playing.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: le god cuervo on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:35:01
i'd be very VERY surprised if he came back! typical WDP bullshit.

smith wasn't that good anyway, like others have said he only played well when he knew his contract was running out. he's shown at all his other clubs he's not very consistant. he had a lucky 6 months with us thats all.

i'd rather see the likes of nicolau & stroud given a game before he came back.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:40:53
I'm in two minds but would not mind seeing him come back. Somebody mentioned that he can play on the wing. They were wrong. But he can take free-kicks and did score goals for us and in our position we can't pick and choose. If he does sign I will not be as fond of him as I was before but he would be welcome if he brought something to the team.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Spud on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:44:14
No not after the abuse i gave him at the CG this season.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: larwood on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 15:58:10
Quote

Should have stayed with first team football, you money grabbing scabby cunt

On reflection i think i agree with this comment from DV :) I have no sympathy for the bloke, i know he's a football player and has to think about his future, but his leaving for shitty smarted a bit at the time and i enjoy the fact that he's spent most of his time on shittys bench.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:10:13
Yeah lets get Igoe,Hewlett and Duke back as well!!NO-Fuck the lot of'em!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: mattboyslim on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:22:45
Not too keen, high expectations coupled with resentment form many would make it a bad idea in my book.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: SwindonFan on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:34:33
I would welcome him back with open arms, quality player, quality at set pieces and scores


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:39:11
yes, but he's a total cunt as well. i'm on two minds over this. i dont think it'd work tho, and i doubt it'd be a good signing for the boy Iffy...


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: SwindonFan on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:46:03
met him a quite a few times, he a nice bloke, but scottish  :( , oh well cant have it all!!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: larwood on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:51:18
Quote

met him a quite a few times, he a nice bloke

Thats what made his leaving worse,i liked the bloke, particulary the column he had in the matchday programme.Then he fucked off to shitty,cheers smith :-))( He can stay on the shitty bench as far as i'm concerned .


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:53:07
yea, and also the slight matter of him stitching over this football club good and proper. but other than that, he's a nice guy  :-))(


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: larwood on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:58:25
The thing is i can understand why he wanted to leave,more money longer contract,bit of a no brainer really.But to shitty our nearest rivals :x  [in this league anyway-he he the pox ]. It hurt me when he left so i couldn't care less where he goes, so long as he doesn't come to us.
He's dead to me now :wink:  :)


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Johno on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 16:58:34
no thanks.

also its the WDP, there the local sun.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:10:54
I think this was on thisis, a few days ago......its much snappier over there  :wink:

 I'd deffo have Snif back like a shot....last season we won a handful of games in the second half of the season due to his goals scored from midfield...that's the very thing we miss.....total contribution this season after 26 games from all our midfield .....a big zilch.

 Could be the difference between winning those 8 or 9 from 20 we're going to need, and relegation.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:15:55
Im also in two minds. But think of it this way... if he does come back he will ahve to work twice as hard to win the fans back over, which could be a good thing ie improved performances, commitment etc.

But then again I could be wrong!!!! :soapy tit wank:


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: janaage on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:16:56
Spot on Reg!

All you have to do now is agree that Gurney is gash and I'll be a happy man!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:17:07
Quote from: "SwindonFan"
met him a quite a few times, he a nice bloke, but scottish  :( , oh well cant have it all!!


great, let's sign him because he's a nice bloke.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: richiestfc on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:17:45
I think i would have him back for def!yer he was a twat by leaving but hes the sort of player we need!The one person i dont want in the team is gurney!i think hes useless.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Luci on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:20:03
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
Quote from: "SwindonFan"
met him a quite a few times, he a nice bloke, but scottish  :( , oh well cant have it all!!


great, let's sign him because he's a nice bloke.


I was thinking that too!

If we judged whether the whole team was nice or not to decide whether to keep them on etc. Im pretty sure that we would have a significantly smaller team.

If hes prepared to come back, work damn hard and take the grief hes bound to get from a lot of fans then what have we got to lose?

Reg is spot on to be fair.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:23:33
although stef is a lovely bloke (:fag:) and also one of our best players.

if smith did come back, worked hard and was apologetic for being a total cunt then i might be able to accept him back. however i don't believe he has the attitude to do that so it'd be a waste of time to try.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Johno on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:24:09
would city want a fee? wouldn't pay for him.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:25:26
Quote from: "Johno"
would city want a fee? wouldn't pay for him.


No. They have released him.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Luci on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:26:20
Yes but one of the main reasons for him going to city was the fact (as someone pointed out earlier) his dad is his agent and Im pretty sure from the information we got that it was a major factor.

At the end of the day if he comes back and doesnt do what he should be then hes an idiot because he would have blown his chances (IMO) of league one football.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Johno on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:36:51
Quote from: "OOH!  SHAUN TAYLOR"
Quote from: "Johno"
would city want a fee? wouldn't pay for him.


No. They have released him.


 :oops: sorry didn't see that. just saw the grant smith topic title and assumed we were just rumoured to sign him. should probably read the post first.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:43:13
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: STFC Village on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:54:53
He can fuck right off! :evil:


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: DMR on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:55:22
Quote from: "DV85"
He only started playing when after a new contract

He said he wanted to stay, he didnt
He said he wanted 2 years, we got rid of players so we could offer him 2 years, he didnt sign it

He's a cunt of the highest order, I'd personally like to see him rot at City.

Should have stayed with first team football, you money grabbing scabby cunt, now fuck to somewhere really shit like Halifax


*Stands and applauds this post*

His goals last year will be like Fallon this year, a one-off.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 17:55:45
ah, johno, you're almost as good as PHIL!!! sometimes :P


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 18:52:53
We want NEW blood-not comfort zone players like Gurney and Smith who feel they have nothing to prove


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Johno on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 19:06:33
Quote from: "Leggett"
ah, johno, you're almost as good as PHIL!!! sometimes :P


im way better. ask yeovil.  8)


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 20:02:09
Quote from: "adje"
We want NEW blood-not comfort zone players like Gurney and Smith who feel they have nothing to prove


Spot on that chief.

Gurney I can accept within reason not so much a step backwards more a necessary step to the right.

Duke love him or hate him gave Smith a hell of a lot of cover last season to roam forward and get forward and I really can’t see Brown (not that I’ve seen him for us yet) or young Nicolau providing that sort of cover.  

He looked well out of condition against Shitty at least a couple of stones on board and I don’t think we can afford to wait for him to get into condition in the hope he can replicate last seasons form.  

Plus I think this snippet from old Iffy says it all really…

Quote
"Grant's is a name that has come up before, but it's a question of whether he's right for what we are trying to do now. Obviously he has a past connection with the club and I know him from then, but that is not a reason to sign him alone.

"It is always a case of if they are the kind of players who would improve on what we have got." Asked what he was looking for in his potential new signings, Onuora added: "They have to have the right character.

"We have done well with the players with have during a difficult period, so those who come in will have to have a similar spirit.

"They need to be people who are not strangers to hard graft, because that is what we need at the moment.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Spud on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 20:43:22
Quote from: "adje"
We want NEW blood-not comfort zone players like Gurney and Smith who feel they have nothing to prove


So we dont want players that are going to battle for us!?. :roll:


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: adje on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 20:51:13
There's a difference between battling and recklessness.What you get with Gurney is needless bookings and unnecessary free kicks.This seems to be a common misconception that running around like a headless twat kicking people is "battling".Scott Leitch was a"battler"with half the disciplinary record of Gurney.Thats my opinion anyway


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Spud on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 20:58:43
I couldnt care if he picked up a booking here and there as he's the only player getting stuck in.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: DV on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 21:00:50
Quote from: "adje"
There's a difference between battling and recklessness.What you get with Gurney is needless bookings and unnecessary free kicks.This seems to be a common misconception that running around like a headless twat kicking people is "battling".Scott Leitch was a"battler"with half the disciplinary record of Gurney.Thats my opinion anyway


Adje, I know you dont like Gurney, but am I right in thinking you have seen very little of him since he has been back.

He is a new player, it sounds really ghey but he is so different from the previous Gurney its un-true

I just hope it isnt his effort to win a contract, then when he gets it its all down hill.

As for Cunt Smith, Id welcome him with open arms, then kick him really hard in the nuts. Fucking cunt.

We were the first club to give him a run of first team games, we offered him everything he wanted and he still fucked off.

Someone said he was thinking of his footballer career, he was thinking of his wallet the stupid jock cunt, he would have been better off here.

Oh well, the conference calls twat!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Spud on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 21:01:55
Quote from: "DV85"
Quote from: "adje"
There's a difference between battling and recklessness.What you get with Gurney is needless bookings and unnecessary free kicks.This seems to be a common misconception that running around like a headless twat kicking people is "battling".Scott Leitch was a"battler"with half the disciplinary record of Gurney.Thats my opinion anyway


Adje, I know you dont like Gurney, but am I right in thinking you have seen very little of him since he has been back.

He is a new player, it sounds really ghey but he is so different from the previous Gurney its un-true

I just hope it isnt his effort to win a contract, then when he gets it its all down hill.

As for Cunt Smith, Id welcome him with open arms, then kick him really hard in the nuts. Fucking cunt.
We were the first club to give him a run of first team games, we offered him everything he wanted and he still fucked off.

Someone said he was thinking of his footballer career, he was thinking of his wallet the stupid jock cunt, he would have been better off here.

Oh well, the conference calls twat!


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: ace


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: DV on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 21:08:48
...and anyone who knows me knows full well Id do it as well  :D


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 21:28:48
Quote from: "DV85"

As for Cunt Smith, Id welcome him with open arms, then kick him really hard in the nuts. Fucking cunt.

We were the first club to give him a run of first team games, we offered him everything he wanted and he still fucked off.

Someone said he was thinking of his footballer career, he was thinking of his wallet the stupid jock cunt, he would have been better off here.

Oh well, the conference calls twat!


Yep spot on there. :nod:


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: DV on Thursday, January 5, 2006, 21:33:58
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "DV85"

As for Cunt Smith, Id welcome him with open arms, then kick him really hard in the nuts. Fucking cunt.

We were the first club to give him a run of first team games, we offered him everything he wanted and he still fucked off.

Someone said he was thinking of his footballer career, he was thinking of his wallet the stupid jock cunt, he would have been better off here.

Oh well, the conference calls twat!


Yep spot on there. :nod:


Im very shocked you agree Ben!!
 :D


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: larwood on Friday, January 6, 2006, 08:19:49
Quote

As for Cunt Smith, Id welcome him with open arms, then kick him really hard in the nuts. Fucking cunt.

 :soapy tit wank:
I'd pay money to see that!


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: SwindonFan on Friday, January 6, 2006, 13:33:20
Sonic u twat i didnt say sign him cos hes a nice bloke, someone said he was a cunt as a bloke!! i just said i met him and he was a nice bloke


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: yeo on Friday, January 6, 2006, 16:40:18
Quote from: "SwindonFan"
Sonic u twat i didnt say sign him cos hes a nice bloke, someone said he was a cunt as a bloke!! i just said i met him and he was a nice bloke


 :D


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: adje on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:40:18
Quote from: "DV85"
Quote from: "adje"
There's a difference between battling and recklessness.What you get with Gurney is needless bookings and unnecessary free kicks.This seems to be a common misconception that running around like a headless twat kicking people is "battling".Scott Leitch was a"battler"with half the disciplinary record of Gurney.Thats my opinion anyway


Adje, I know you dont like Gurney, but am I right in thinking you have seen very little of him since he has been back.

He is a new player, it sounds really ghey but he is so different from the previous Gurney its un-true

I just hope it isnt his effort to win a contract, then when he gets it its all down hill.

As for Cunt Smith, Id welcome him with open arms, then kick him really hard in the nuts. Fucking cunt.

We were the first club to give him a run of first team games, we offered him everything he wanted and he still fucked off.

Someone said he was thinking of his footballer career, he was thinking of his wallet the stupid jock cunt, he would have been better off here.

Oh well, the conference calls twat!




True DV,I've only seen him about half a dozen times-but that includes getting booked AND giving away a penalty within 20 mins of his first game V Yeovil a sending off against Bournemouth,subbed at half time v Barnsley and giving a totally anonymous performance against Swansea.However I appreciate that you've seen him more often than me and I trust your judgement,I just hope he has more good games than bad from now on.I still need to be convinced.2good performances against the hated (by me anyway)Pikeingham will go a long way towards his rehab.


Title: Grant Smith......
Post by: DV on Friday, January 6, 2006, 17:45:06
Quote from: "adje"
Quote from: "DV85"
Quote from: "adje"
There's a difference between battling and recklessness.What you get with Gurney is needless bookings and unnecessary free kicks.This seems to be a common misconception that running around like a headless twat kicking people is "battling".Scott Leitch was a"battler"with half the disciplinary record of Gurney.Thats my opinion anyway


Adje, I know you dont like Gurney, but am I right in thinking you have seen very little of him since he has been back.

He is a new player, it sounds really ghey but he is so different from the previous Gurney its un-true

I just hope it isnt his effort to win a contract, then when he gets it its all down hill.

As for Cunt Smith, Id welcome him with open arms, then kick him really hard in the nuts. Fucking cunt.

We were the first club to give him a run of first team games, we offered him everything he wanted and he still fucked off.

Someone said he was thinking of his footballer career, he was thinking of his wallet the stupid jock cunt, he would have been better off here.

Oh well, the conference calls twat!




True DV,I've only seen him about half a dozen times-but that includes getting booked AND giving away a penalty within 20 mins of his first game V Yeovil a sending off against Bournemouth,subbed at half time v Barnsley and giving a totally anonymous performance against Swansea.However I appreciate that you've seen him more often than me and I trust your judgement,I just hope he has more good games than bad from now on.I still need to be convinced.2good performances against the hated (by me anyway)Pikeingham will go a long way towards his rehab.


Yeovil was an odd one, i thought he bombed forward really well, as for the penalty Ifil sold him well short with the pass.

The Sending off at Bournemouth was a complete joke. I missed the Barnsley game on holiday, wasnt he injured though?

I thought he played alright against Swansea, huffed and puffed in midfield, didnt let them play with the ball.