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Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 12:16:09
Just trying to get a guage on what most england fans think about the idea that Seb "(Cough) tosser" Coe has about a combined team GB for the London Olympics. Most Scotland and wales fans are dead agaisnt it. What are all your views.


The main reason that alot of Wales and Scotland fans are against it is the fact that FIFa have tried many times to merge the home nations as alot of asian and african countries arent happy that we have a huge say in the running of the game due to our 4 guarenteed places on the FIFA council.


What do you all think of the idea?

bearing in mind it could see the end of an england football team too!


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 12:27:35
I may be mistaken but I'm pretty certain the Scotch's have already nailed it on the head and said no.  The Welsh and Northern Irish authorities at last count weren't to keen on the idea either.  

Not that it makes much of a difference by that time the one player who in recent memory that may have got in a British/England side from the Taffs and N-Irish is Ryan Giggs who will be a long time retired.

It’s a no go for me to partly because it would be akin to playing a combined England/Ghana team completely insignificant in terms of football and who wants to play on the side of their rivals?

Won’t happen as you say it would give FIFA a stick to poke at the different FA’s and undermines a wealth of history and standing.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 12:32:42
No, no, no from me.  Quite happy how we are at the minute.

We should have a one off British Championship in 2010 to decide who gets to represent GB.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 12:36:18
Wales have said no aswell. For the same reasons as I gave above. Seb Coe is still bleeting about it though! Some cunts just wont take no for an answer!

His main argument is that Sepp Blatter has guarenteed that FIFa wont force a merger. And FIFA have never done a U-turn on a promise have they??? remember how they screwed over South Africa for the 2006 WC??? Plus Blatter wont be in charge in 7 years time and the cheif back stabber will be either an asian or an african, yes... the same countries that want us to merge!!! :x


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 12:42:13
I say Yes. Let's be honest, with one or two freak exceptions it'll be England waring GB tops anyway.

Isn't the Olympic tournament for < 24 year olds anyway. i think you used to be able to have 1 or two 'elders', but they are getting shot of that.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: mattboyslim on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 12:42:41
Doesn't bother me, if the celts have the fear over losing FIFA places then tough.  The team will be 90% English anyway, and now no over age players are allowed so it's all under 23s.  The other countries are the ones missing out as it's a great experience, with lads like Theo Walcot likely to be in their pomp at 23 in 2012.  Reality is the celts are largely not going to be good enough, NI don't even have a U21 team any more.

The talk of quotas is nonsense too, ie 5 from each nation.  We don't do it in athletics or Hockey, which is a good thing as our 400m runners seem to come from Wales.  You can imagine it, 'sorry Mr Rooney we've got too many English players, Billy McSpazza from Celtic under 12s has to keep the numbers up for the jocks'.  Rant over.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: land_of_bo on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:01:02
Quote from: "janaage"
No, no, no from me.  Quite happy how we are at the minute.

We should have a one off British Championship in 2010 to decide who gets to represent GB.


I like this idea.

Team GB would not be good, we are seperate countries after all. Just because we are called Britain....you don't see a Scandanavian team much like you don't see a West Indian team...


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: fatbury on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:13:08
Shud be combined .. tho it will have all England players in it anyway  :wink:


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: mattboyslim on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:18:28
But Britain, like it or not is a country, our passports say British not English, Scandinavia is a region, only in (some) sports are the components of the UK split up, the queen governs us and most politics are done centrally.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:24:21
Hate to disagree with you Matt but England and Scotland are countries.  Wales is a principality and Northern Ireland province.  Britain is a union, not a country.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: mattboyslim on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:31:09
Thanks Jan, You learn something new everyday, but regardless in terms of governance and our representation in the international sphere Britain, or more correctly the UK is more widely recognised than teh individual components of it.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:38:08
:(  I was beginning to respect england fans after they started flyin england flags instead of british ones, but it appears you still coudlnt care less about whether you are english or british, or even know the difference!!!!


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:49:02
To be fair I've gained a lot of respect for the modern day travelling England fans.  Seem to be up for a laugh nowadays rather than a scrap.  Agreed about it's about time they used St George's flags and good to see.

Reserve the use of the Union flags for Olympics and British Lions!!

Did you see Rangers the other day, A St Andrews at one end and Union Flag at the other.  Although they're complete scum, it looked pretty good.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: mattboyslim on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:49:35
Don't get me (us?) wrong, I am very proud to be English, but for the Olympics we compete as Britain, and in the games in our own country the national obsession should be represented by us.  My main theory is that the Scots and Welsh etc are more worried about having only 1 or 2 players in the sqaud than anything else.  They'd hate to be represented by a nearly all english side in the football.  Most of them probably support English runners or swimmers when they compete for Britain but would hate it in footy.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:52:43
Daley Thompson was alright.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: yeo on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:53:04
Scottish children are the fattest in the WORLD it was just on the news.

Which is odd because ive never met a fat Jock,they've always been skinny alcoholics.

Sorry to but in  :D


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 13:57:42
I'm skinny, and I like a drink.   :shock:

But least I'm not a wheelchair bound drooling vegatable like Yeovil!!   :wink:


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: mattboyslim on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 14:00:37
What's up with being a droolin, wheelchair bound vegetable, at least he's not Scottish :wink:


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 14:04:47
Yeovil's Welsh isn't he?


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 22:30:42
Quote from: "mattboyslim"
Don't get me (us?) wrong, I am very proud to be English, but for the Olympics we compete as Britain, and in the games in our own country the national obsession should be represented by us.  My main theory is that the Scots and Welsh etc are more worried about having only 1 or 2 players in the sqaud than anything else.  They'd hate to be represented by a nearly all english side in the football.  Most of them probably support English runners or swimmers when they compete for Britain but would hate it in footy.

Depends how they do it. Maybe here will be a quota from each country? Even so, still against it. Dont even like the British Lions (last tour was an england retirement XV!!!)


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: lebowski on Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 22:34:33
on the subject of the olympics... does anyone else agree that athletes should be allowed to take any drugs they can get their hands on?


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 12:24:43
The Lions were good a few years ago before the English domination.  Watching them was class in the 90's.  And when you see the clips of the 70's Lions, pure magic.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: Purebleh on Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 13:25:22
It spares the welsh and scots the embarrassment of not having any players selected in team GB. Even Giggs isnt good enough to play in the england first team


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 15:11:46
Northern Ireland aint part of Great Britain - would they play as part of an all Ireland side?


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: mattboyslim on Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 15:58:18
No NI is part of the UK, or in the case of the Olympics the full team name of Great Britain and Northern Ireland I think, NI are definately are part of the GB team though.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Thursday, December 15, 2005, 01:41:57
Quote from: "mattboyslim"
No NI is part of the UK, or in the case of the Olympics the full team name of Great Britain and Northern Ireland I think, NI are definately are part of the GB team though.


Not quite. NI actually comes under the Olympic comittee of Ireland (as in the whole island as opposed the the republic of Ireland) there is however an agreement that athletess from the province can chose to represent either Eire or GB. This, obvously, is down to the religous/political differences.


And can we have a serious debate about whether you want a team GB as opposed to wee snidey remarks that no one from Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland are good enough to get in the england team. That is not the question.

For Arguments sake, it is a GB team of 20 players, 5 from each country. Doesnt matter who the players are. infact, as it is an under 23 tournament and it is in 7 years time, odds are we wont have heard of any of them yet anyway!


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: Spud on Thursday, December 15, 2005, 06:13:26
Id take a GB team, obviously they'd have to agree on how many players from each Nation would represent Team GB.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: mattboyslim on Thursday, December 15, 2005, 08:45:38
The whole thing about quotas is wrong, in no other sport at the olympics do they pick the GB team on where they are from, they pick the best squad to win, it'd be over representative of England true, but we're by far the largest country by population and the best footbal team out of the lot so would obviously have more players in teh side.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Thursday, December 15, 2005, 11:48:12
Quote from: "mattboyslim"
The whole thing about quotas is wrong, in no other sport at the olympics do they pick the GB team on where they are from, they pick the best squad to win, it'd be over representative of England true, but we're by far the largest country by population and the best footbal team out of the lot so would obviously have more players in teh side.

Well in that case then, whats the point of having a team GB if it doesnt truely represent GB??? I think each of the home nations should have seperate olympic teams anyway. It works for the commonwealth games, why not the olympics?


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: mattboyslim on Thursday, December 15, 2005, 12:07:46
That's probably the only solution really, otherwise there'd be a farce in some events like Curling whe probably the UK top 10 players are all Scottish, certainly the top 2 sides are, if you siad you have to drop these players to accomodate the English, Welsh and Irish it'd be a bit rubbish.


Title: Team GB for the Olympics 2012
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, December 15, 2005, 12:28:54
Quote from: "mattboyslim"
The whole thing about quotas is wrong, in no other sport at the olympics do they pick the GB team on where they are from, they pick the best squad to win, it'd be over representative of England true, but we're by far the largest country by population and the best footbal team out of the lot so would obviously have more players in teh side.


south african cricket team needs to have a certain amount of coloured fellows in it i believe