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Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, December 4, 2005, 04:20:32
Anybody see Sabin's header, Dennis Law would have been proud of it, a really good goal.

Cureton's goal smacked of confidence. With a quick flick, he set up a very controlled strike, the defender, who was close, wasn't quick enough to react.  Reminded me of Alan Mayes at his best.  Cureton has all the skill, he just needs to get the ball at his feet.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: my-velocity on Sunday, December 4, 2005, 11:37:55
Quote from: "nozza"
We need him back now....it might be almost too late by January.


 :wall: But the team doesn't fit his playing style.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DV on Sunday, December 4, 2005, 12:05:25
We cant soley rely on Fallon for goals, Roberts, Bouazza, The rest of the team still arent chipping in with enough.

Most did say before Cureton went out on loan, he was just being a bit unlucky and clearly lacked confidence, at least he was at least trying unlike Thorpe. Hopefully he'll come back and do what Fallon did, start banging in the goals. We need another goal scorer, although Crouch mark 2 looked pretty good yesterday.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DV on Sunday, December 4, 2005, 12:06:23
Ha, who decided to make C.r.o.u.c.h turn into Yorke....?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Spud on Sunday, December 4, 2005, 12:28:44
Quote from: "DV85"
Ha, who decided to make C.r.o.u.c.h turn into Yorke....?


Si Pie i think?.  :mrgreen:


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, December 4, 2005, 14:24:34
Sabin scored?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: rudeboydreas on Sunday, December 4, 2005, 14:54:59
Quote from: "Rich"
Sabin scored?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Looks really fucking good at the moment. Kingy was a great scout, that's why we should keep Shakes, get on him on the ground floor as he'll improve with age.

And Cureton always looked better than Thorpe, dunno why we sent Ben on loan instead of Bill...


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Johno on Sunday, December 4, 2005, 15:37:45
cause no one wanted thorpe! both were avaliable.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Danjackson10 on Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 21:54:25
curo has scored 8 goals now for colchester! They want to sign him up really fucking bad!


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Johno on Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 22:00:35
sabin has scored again tonight. oxford won 2-1.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 22:20:10
Cureton scored again. Get him back now, surely we can recall him?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 02:44:36
There would have to be a clause in the loan to recall him. Otherwise we're waiting until the new year.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: fatbury on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 08:03:24
I said Cureton would score once he got one ... BRING HIM BACK IFFY!


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 08:35:57
http://www.cu-fcchat.com/chat/viewtopic.php?t=1679

The Colchester lot are starting a campaign to sign him ... oh dear.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: mattboyslim on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 08:46:38
Tag line in the adver today,

'I think it's all over'  Jamie thinks he may have played his last game for town!

No surprise I guess, but if he goes we've gotta get a good fee, he's on a long contract and in form, we shouldn't ship him out to anohter rival in our league for next to nothing IMHO.  I thought the condition of extending the loan was that we had instant recall on him?

I beleive his future depends on whether Fallon leaves in january and whether the loans of Mikolanda and bouazza are extended.  As for thorpe, he can join the ground staff for all he's done, then again he probably couldn't be bothered.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: fatbury on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 08:50:00
I KNEW ... we MUST get him back!


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 08:55:43
FFS get this bloke back, we need to change our system (ie play football) to accomodate a player who can score and is contracted to us for another 18 months.  

Ship Fallon out, especially if that £250k to Plymouth thing is gospel!!


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 08:59:22
If he comes back and doesn't score then we know sometings up behind the scenes. If I remember rightly, he did say he wanted to come back didn't he?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 09:28:28
Quote from: "stfcfan"
If he comes back and doesn't score then we know sometings up behind the scenes. If I remember rightly, he did say he wanted to come back didn't he?


Or could it be that we have as much quality as a 20 year old Lada and as much creativity as someone taking their unmade bed to the Turner prize exhibit.

In short some (a lot) of the problem is that we don't create enough quality chances for him. I don't see him as a battler/dig in player either.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 10:35:31
Please Iffy bring him back when the loan expires.

http://www.thisisstfc.co.uk/News_Headlines_Story.asp?NewsID=5058

Quote
JAMIE Cureton feels his County Ground career is over ­ despite rediscovering his goalscoring touch.

The striker’s successful loan stint at Colchester ends on New Year’s Day but he believes it is in the interest of all parties if a permanent deal is struck.

That decision ultimately rests with Iffy Onuora and Cureton feels he does not figure in the Town boss’ plans.

The 30-year-old said: “My gut feeling is that I won’t be coming back because I’ve been allowed out on loan in the first place and I’ve been allowed to extend that stay even though I’ve been scoring goals.

“I’ve come here and proved what I can do. I couldn’t have done any more.

“Iffy will have to make a decision if he thinks I can come back and reproduce the same thing at Swindon.

“But there is no guarantee that I will and he might want to use my wages to bring in some of his own players, which he has done already.

“Iffy is doing well with the players he’s brought in and the team seems to be picking up a bit and he may feel that he doesn’t need me.

“I’ve spoken to Iffy a couple of times since I’ve been down here.

“He said he didn’t want to bring me back to have me sat on the bench again and go back to what it was like at the start of the season when I really wasn’t enjoying my football at all.”

Cureton arrived in Wiltshire in the summer as one half of a much-vaunted new strike pairing alongside Tony Thorpe.

The duo failed to make any impact in the shadow of Rory Fallon and while Thorpe continues to wait in the wings, Cureton was given a chance to regain some confidence by Colchester manager Phil Parkinson.

He proved an immediate hit, and has netted seven times for the U’s after getting himself on the scoresheet again last night.

The former Bristol Rovers and QPR man admits life at Layer Road is more to his liking.

“It’s going very well for me here and I’m really enjoying it,” he said.

“They are pleased with me. I haven’t had any conversations about staying yet but I’d be happy to.

“I’ve come to a club doing well and full of confidence and playing a way that suits my style.

“The way we were playing at Swindon there wasn’t a role that suited me. Tony Thorpe has had the same problem.

“Iffy likes to play one up front with wide men in support. It’s a system that suits Rory (Fallon), but not me.

“At Colchester we play 4-4-2 with wide men getting crosses into the box.

“That’s football. Certain players suit certain clubs and systems.

“I struggled for form and confidence at Swindon but I scored on my debut at Colchester and haven’t looked back.”

Cureton doesn’t even fancy a fleeting festive return to the County Ground when the two clubs meet in League One on Boxing Day ­ less than a week before the current loan deal expires.

He is not permitted to play in the fixture and is likely to stay away altogether.

But if Onuora does decide to hand Cureton a reprieve, the little poacher will answer the call come the New Year.

He added: “It would be nice to see some of the lads but it might be wise to stay away from the game on Boxing Day ­ I’m not sure what reception I’ll get from the fans.

“A couple of days later my loan finishes, so depending on what decisions other people make I could be back playing for Swindon on January 2 ­ who knows?

“I’m under contract at Swindon, it is the club I signed for and if they want me back I’ll come back and give 100 per cent to get them out of trouble.

“But I don’t want to go back and be in the same situation I was before, given all the hard work I’ve put in to get my season going again.”


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: McLovin on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 10:36:43
Our team is incapable of creating the chances Curo needs to score, we aren't a very creative side.  He's bettor off leaving.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Northern Red on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 10:49:39
Quote from: "janaage"
FFS get this bloke back, we need to change our system (ie play football) to accomodate a player who can score and is contracted to us for another 18 months.  

Are you Andy King?

That's what he did and it didn't work - you play to the team's strength and not the strengths of one individual.

If Cureton doesn't fit into our current team leave him where he is and hope Colly want to buy him...

Can I remind you that our current team has a record of W3, D5, L2 in the last 10 matches - I don't want that team to change if they keep doing that...and neither should you.
.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 10:57:19
our team has no style though,we were lucky on saturday and the entertainment value has been wank.
what are our teams strengths as i dont know what they are.
we are just battling our way through games and getting the odd win.is that good enough?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: fatbury on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:10:37
So who is doing Curetons job in the team now??

I see him in the first eleven myself

Evans
Jenkins O'Hanlon Comyn-Platt Nicholas
Pook Gurney Migz Bouazza
Fallon Cureton
subs Heaton McDermott Roberts Ifil Smith

That looks a good side!


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:13:38
Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant"
Our team is incapable of creating the chances Curo needs to score, we aren't a very creative side.  He's bettor off leaving.
I have to agree with that. Despite small advances made by the team under Iffy, we still don't create many chances. Certainly none for anyone lacking in pace or height anyway......

Might as well take him off of the wage budget and let Iffy bring someone in who may be more effective


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:16:12
Fucking disgrace, people who rather see long ball football with Fallon up front on his own than a player who has proved that when you play football he'll score.

My fingers are crossed Iffy's hand will be forced with the board choosing to cash in on Fallon.  Come back Curi all is forgiven.

I've had enough of watching shit football, play the ball on the deck and reap the rewards.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Northern Red on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:17:51
Quote from: "fatbury"
So who is doing Curetons job in the team now??

I see him in the first eleven myself

Evans
Jenkins O'Hanlon Comyn-Platt Nicholas
Pook Gurney Migz Bouazza
Fallon Cureton
subs Heaton McDermott Roberts Ifil Smith

That looks a good side!

Bouazza should be playing off Fallon's shoulder not out on the left wing - play Stroud he was ace at Huddersfield...

Cureton should stay where he is and the team should be kept unchanged - is climbing the table not enough for some people  :x


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:20:33
Quote from: "janaage"
Fucking disgrace, people who rather see long ball football with Fallon up front on his own than a player who has proved that when you play football he'll score
I never said i enjoyed watching that style of football Jan, nor did anyone else. We are merely pointing out that this team lacks the necessary skill to play attractive, flowing, passing-on-the deck football, as much as we'd like them to.

Therefore, we should stick to our strengths. It's obvious that Cureton can't fit into the side, as proved before. It isn't his fault, as he obviously still has what it takes to score goals. Just not for us


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: McLovin on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:22:23
Quote from: "janaage"
Fucking disgrace, people who rather see long ball football with Fallon up front on his own than a player who has proved that when you play football he'll score.

My fingers are crossed Iffy's hand will be forced with the board choosing to cash in on Fallon.  Come back Curi all is forgiven.

I've had enough of watching shit football, play the ball on the deck and reap the rewards.


No one would rather see long ball, but that is all our players are capable of.  No one is good enough to conjure up a well worked move resulting in a 'fox-in-the-box' finisher like Cureton tucking one away. We either aren't good enough, or Iffy isn't capable of getting our team to play that way.  You can see by his transfer activity (getting rid of Curo, bringing in that big Polish donkey) that he has one plan that he is going to stick by.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:25:37
Quote from: "janaage"
Fucking disgrace, people who rather see long ball football with Fallon up front on his own than a player who has proved that when you play football he'll score.


Sorry Jan that's crap. We would all rather see entertaining football on the deck, but this team just isn't capable.

However thinking about it , I'll take a number of scrappy, crappy 1-0 wins over a number of free flowing 4-3 losses right now. I just don't think the latter option is on offer.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:32:22
Bollocks, this team is capable of playing football.  Whalley, Migs, Pook, Nicho, O Hanlon, Roberts, Bouazza, Jack Smith,  they are all decent enough players.

So you saying Colchester's team are jam packed full of Rivaldo's then are you???

I'm saying if we persist on relying on a player like Fallon and long ball football we will go down.  This isn't a pop at Rory cos he's done well, for him, but he's no Parkin, we cannot put all our survival hopes on him.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:35:32
Quote from: "janaage"
Bollocks, this team is capable of playing football.  Whalley, Migs, Pook, Nicho, O Hanlon, Roberts, Bouazza, Jack Smith,  they are all decent enough players.

So you saying Colchester's team are jam packed full of Rivaldo's then are you???

I'm saying if we persist on relying on a player like Fallon and long ball football we will go down.  This isn't a pop at Rory cos he's done well, for him, but he's no Parkin, we cannot put all our survival hopes on him.
Hardly footballing geniuses Jan!

Of course Collie aren't an amazing side, they just play a different style of football to ourselves. And it suits Mr Cureton's style of play.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:36:07
I'm saying I've not seen them do it to any consistant level.

And if all those players listed I'd say only Migs, Boazza. Whalley and Roberts are capable supplying Cureton with chances . The latter 2 are inconsistant and Migs is injury prone. Boazza may not even be here after xmas.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:36:56
Erm, talk about our style all you want, Curo didn't score for months and regardless of how you play strikers should score.

Barnsley away, anyone?

I'd be giving Thorpe another go soon.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:38:21
You don't need to be footballing genuises to pass the ball.  This is league 2 not Serie A.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:38:21
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Erm, talk about our style all you want, Curo didn't score for months and regardless of how you play strikers should score.

Barnsley away, anyone?

I'd be giving Thorpe another go soon.
No fucking chance, pile of wank


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:38:36
Quote from: "Northern Red"
Quote from: "janaage"
FFS get this bloke back, we need to change our system (ie play football) to accomodate a player who can score and is contracted to us for another 18 months.  

Can I remind you that our current team has a record of W3, D5, L2 in the last 10 matches
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W2 D4 L4 in the league which would get us relegated. I think it's a fucking shame if we don't bring Cureton back to be honest but if not we must try and get a fair price for him.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Northern Red on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:39:58
Quote from: "Batch"
And if all those players listed I'd say only Migs, Boazza. Whalley and Roberts are capable supplying Cureton with chances . The latter 2 are inconsistant and Migs is injury prone. Boazza may not even be here after xmas.

Roberts on current form and effort couldn't supply an assist for Adriano to score, let alone anyone in the Swindon team.

He's a useless cunt who should be loaned out to Forest Green for a month to bring him to his senses.
He's better than he looks at the moment and if he bothered to give any effort, we'd see a different player....


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:40:08
Quote from: "janaage"
You don't need to be footballing genuises to pass the ball.  This is league 2 not Serie A.
Well, no. But have you seen anything so far this season to suggest that they can? I haven't.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:41:38
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Erm, talk about our style all you want, Curo didn't score for months and regardless of how you play strikers should score.

Barnsley away, anyone?

I'd be giving Thorpe another go soon.
No fucking chance, pile of wank


Bender. He's showed that he's still got class and he's scored goals wherever he's been.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:41:45
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "janaage"
You don't need to be footballing genuises to pass the ball.  This is league 2 not Serie A.
Well, no. But have you seen anything so far this season to suggest that they can? I haven't.


The second goal against City.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:43:46
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Erm, talk about our style all you want, Curo didn't score for months and regardless of how you play strikers should score.

Barnsley away, anyone?

I'd be giving Thorpe another go soon.
No fucking chance, pile of wank


Bender. He's showed that he's still got class and he's scored goals wherever he's been.
When?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Northern Red on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:44:23
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
W2 D4 L4 in the league which would get us relegated. I think it's a fucking shame if we don't bring Cureton back to be honest but if not we must try and get a fair price for him.

Two points:
1. to be fair to Iffy the first two leagues games were right offs anyway - it was going to take longer for his influence to take effect. He only took charge 24 hours before the Doncaster game!!!
Realistically he's on a W2 D4 L2 in the league which is 10 points in 8 games. 42 points from 42 games sees you go down - he's scoring enough for about 52 points at the moment which could be enough.

2. On the Cureton point, money is everything to this club and we should be trying to get a good price, or just offload him for free (with success clauses) sooner rather than later - what are his wages like?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:45:00
if we carry on playing the way we are, we will go down.
are colchesters players superior to ours?
get him back now,if it doesn't work out then fine.
i'm with janaage on this one.
forget the past cureton is scoring for fun,we need goals.end of


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:46:40
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Erm, talk about our style all you want, Curo didn't score for months and regardless of how you play strikers should score.

Barnsley away, anyone?

I'd be giving Thorpe another go soon.
No fucking chance, pile of wank


Bender. He's showed that he's still got class and he's scored goals wherever he's been.
When?


Just flashes here and there. He was the nuts at Bournemouth.

Form is temporary, class is forever...


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:47:14
Quote from: "stfcfan"
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "janaage"
You don't need to be footballing genuises to pass the ball.  This is league 2 not Serie A.
Well, no. But have you seen anything so far this season to suggest that they can? I haven't.


The second goal against City.
One goal, WOW! I'm talking about a full 90 minutes here. At least 45 minutes then....


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:48:30
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Form is temporary, class is forever...
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: That made me laugh so hard, a bit of phlegm landed on my monitor


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:49:15
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Form is temporary, class is forever...
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: That made me laugh so hard, a bit of phlegm landed on my monitor


I'm going to have to hurt you on Saturday  :x


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: STFC Village on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:50:00
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Form is temporary, class is forever...
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: That made me laugh so hard, a bit of phlegm landed on my monitor


I'm going to have to hurt you on Saturday  :x
Good luck, i'll be at the other end of the country :P


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Northern Red on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:50:11
For information, the last four seasons safety points:
2004/05 - 51 pts - Franchise
2003/04 - 51 pts - Chesterfield
2002/03 - 50 pts - Chesterfield
2001/02 - 49 pts - Northampton


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:50:27
Quote from: "Northern Red"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
W2 D4 L4 in the league which would get us relegated. I think it's a fucking shame if we don't bring Cureton back to be honest but if not we must try and get a fair price for him.

Two points:
1. to be fair to Iffy the first two leagues games were right offs anyway - it was going to take longer for his influence to take effect. He only took charge 24 hours before the Doncaster game!!!
Realistically he's on a W2 D4 L2 in the league which is 10 points in 8 games. 42 points from 42 games sees you go down - he's scoring enough for about 52 points at the moment which could be enough.

2. On the Cureton point, money is everything to this club and we should be trying to get a good price, or just offload him for free (with success clauses) sooner rather than later - what are his wages like?


Don't agree with point one at all, those games were not right offs and I'd have expected a win against Franchise who were second bottom at the time.

I doubt Cureton's wages are that high, similar to Bouazza's probably. Probably not higher than average for this league.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:51:24
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Form is temporary, class is forever...
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: That made me laugh so hard, a bit of phlegm landed on my monitor


I'm going to have to hurt you on Saturday  :x
Good luck, i'll be at the other end of the country :P


you're not going then... i'll have to have a word with whits  8)


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:56:54
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "stfcfan"
Quote from: "STFC Village"
Quote from: "janaage"
You don't need to be footballing genuises to pass the ball.  This is league 2 not Serie A.
Well, no. But have you seen anything so far this season to suggest that they can? I haven't.


The second goal against City.
One goal, WOW! I'm talking about a full 90 minutes here. At least 45 minutes then....


My point is that we know they can play so why don't they?! The teams certainly capable of playing 'on-the-deck' football.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Northern Red on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:01:35
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "Northern Red"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
W2 D4 L4 in the league which would get us relegated. I think it's a fucking shame if we don't bring Cureton back to be honest but if not we must try and get a fair price for him.

Two points:
1. to be fair to Iffy the first two leagues games were right offs anyway - it was going to take longer for his influence to take effect. He only took charge 24 hours before the Doncaster game!!!
Realistically he's on a W2 D4 L2 in the league which is 10 points in 8 games. 42 points from 42 games sees you go down - he's scoring enough for about 52 points at the moment which could be enough.

2. On the Cureton point, money is everything to this club and we should be trying to get a good price, or just offload him for free (with success clauses) sooner rather than later - what are his wages like?


Don't agree with point one at all, those games were not right offs and I'd have expected a win against Franchise who were second bottom at the time.

I doubt Cureton's wages are that high, similar to Bouazza's probably. Probably not higher than average for this league.

What I meant is that Iffy couldn't have ahd much influence on the team for the first two matches - it was effectively King's team that played - Unluckily for us we hit two form teams at the wrong time - Franchise went on a run and Doncasters run has just ended.
Okay we should have won the Franchise one, but Iffy could do nothing about Doncaster given only 24 hours...


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:15:25
Quote from: "Northern Red"
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W2 D4 L4 in the league which would get us relegated. I think it's a fucking shame if we don't bring Cureton back to be honest but if not we must try and get a fair price for him.

Two points:
1. to be fair to Iffy the first two leagues games were right offs anyway - it was going to take longer for his influence to take effect. He only took charge 24 hours before the Doncaster game!!!
Realistically he's on a W2 D4 L2 in the league which is 10 points in 8 games. 42 points from 42 games sees you go down - he's scoring enough for about 52 points at the moment which could be enough.

2. On the Cureton point, money is everything to this club and we should be trying to get a good price, or just offload him for free (with success clauses) sooner rather than later - what are his wages like?


Don't agree with point one at all, those games were not right offs and I'd have expected a win against Franchise who were second bottom at the time.

I doubt Cureton's wages are that high, similar to Bouazza's probably. Probably not higher than average for this league.

What I meant is that Iffy couldn't have ahd much influence on the team for the first two matches - it was effectively King's team that played - Unluckily for us we hit two form teams at the wrong time - Franchise went on a run and Doncasters run has just ended.
Okay we should have won the Franchise one, but Iffy could do nothing about Doncaster given only 24 hours...

You would expect a new manager effect, however you normally only get those if it was the manager that was the problem so no surprise it didn't happen.

Franchise had 4 points from their last 5 games before playing us, amazing form there. :roll: For their next 4 games they got 3 points, so their run of form basically consisted of playing us. Surely if Doncaster's run had just ended then we played them at the right time. Clutching at straws to be honest.

Anyway the point is I don't see any harm in changing the team, trying to it to work with Cureton, if it doesn't work then sell him but he deserves a chance now he's found form again.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:31:44
Jan you are talking shit again. (As per usual regarding Fallon)

King tried to assemble a team with "footballers" ie Whalley, Cureton & Thorpe migz etc. However results and performances show that they basically were not good enough to get results playing in that style. The blend was all wrong, not enough aggression, power or pace in the side. Too many technically gifted players who were one paced and gutless

Happily, Iffy has realised this and has instilled more pace, aggresion and athletism to the side and we subsequently look more capable of getting results.

Like it or not we are in a dogfight now and most teams cant get out of it by playing pretty football, as confidence is low.

I'm no fan of hoofball either, but given the choice I'd rather us wahck it at Rory and get some results than fuck about with it with a bunch of one paced lightweights on the floor and lose.

If you are advocating a change to 4-4-2 with cureton to parner Thorpe, who the fuck is going to play on the right wing for a start? Mr "I cant Cross" shakes? or perhaps Mr "I cant be bothered half the time" Roberts. To a lesser extent the left is still a problem (nicholau looks crap and whatshisface from QPR is a bit of an unknown quanitity still)

And BWB, get over king for fucks sake. How many games have you been to under the Iffy regime exactly?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:45:59
we should play 4,4,2 with cureton and fallon upfront.
cureton has gone away and found his form,which is what we wanted.as he is our player already,i dont see it as a gamble.
iffy should fuck roberts and thorpe out the door,big headed useless tossers


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DV on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:47:38
Basically, my math could be wrong, but we've played 20 games....8 under Iffy and 12 under Kingy

Iffy has got us 10 points in 8 games
Kingy got us 7 (which is three less) in 12 games (which is 4 more)

That was off the top of my head, but I could be wrong...

Thats also counting the Doncaster game as Iffy in charge, despite him only being installed 24 hours earlier, personally I wouldnt put that one down on Iffys record myself


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: le god cuervo on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:48:24
i don't see the point in cureton coming back unless onuora is going to play with 2 up front every week. no point in bringing him back to play as a lone striker, may as well get as much money for him as we can while he's in good form.

if we do bring him back & he can't score again, he'll leave in the summer for about 10p & we will have lost out.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:48:59
Who plays on the wings and supplies the ammunition for them then Arriba?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DV on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:49:02
but I suppose Kings squad wasnt big enough, he was just one or two players short and the board didnt give him the funds to add those 2 extra players that he needed....blah blah blah blah etc etc


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: fatbury on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:50:46
i think we shud try and release Thorpe in order to get Cureton back .. its obviously a money issue.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DV on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:52:19
Quote from: "fatbury"
i think we shud try and release Thorpe in order to get Cureton back .. its obviously a money issue.


but releasing Thorpe will cost us loads of money?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: mattboyslim on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:53:14
Finding someone stupid enough to take thorpe on a free 6 months early is the key.  Oxford anyone?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:54:06
Quote from: "DV85"
Basically, my math could be wrong, but we've played 20 games....8 under Iffy and 12 under Kingy

Iffy has got us 10 points in 8 games
Kingy got us 7 (which is three less) in 12 games (which is 4 more)

That was off the top of my head, but I could be wrong...

Thats also counting the Doncaster game as Iffy in charge, despite him only being installed 24 hours earlier, personally I wouldnt put that one down on Iffys record myself


Yeah your maths is totally wrong.

We've played 20 games, 10 under Iffy, 10 under King. which is the same number of games played under both. Iffy's had the luxury of playing Franchise, Rotherham, Bristol City who were all in the relegation zone at the time.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: mattboyslim on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:55:59
But King had the luxury of assembling over 4 years the squad he wanted.  He had an albeit limited budget, and he had a full pre-season to shape his side for the season.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DV on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:56:57
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "DV85"
Basically, my math could be wrong, but we've played 20 games....8 under Iffy and 12 under Kingy

Iffy has got us 10 points in 8 games
Kingy got us 7 (which is three less) in 12 games (which is 4 more)

That was off the top of my head, but I could be wrong...

Thats also counting the Doncaster game as Iffy in charge, despite him only being installed 24 hours earlier, personally I wouldnt put that one down on Iffys record myself


Yeah your maths is totally wrong.

We've played 20 games, 10 under Iffy, 10 under King. which is the same number of games played under both. Iffy's had the luxury of playing Franchise, Rotherham, Bristol City who were all in the relegation zone at the time.


Yep fucked that one up...

ok, anyways

Iffy, 10 points in 10 games.
King 7 points in 10 games.

Iffy's had the erm 'luxury' of playing Brentford, Port Valex2, Barnsley, Huddersfield & Scunthorpe who were all in the top 5 at the time


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:57:24
Quote
But King had the luxury of assembling over 4 years the squad he wanted


....and then having it disassembled in the summer.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:57:52
Quote from: "Piemonte"
Who plays on the wings and supplies the ammunition for them then Arriba?


any 2 of these
bouazza,shakes,nickalau,stroud,also roberts would be perfect wide right if he put some effort in.
our current so called style has us way down the league


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:59:12
The point that King had 4 years and a pre-season to assemble a team is a very valid one.

Iffy is having to pick up the pieces of kings fuck ups this summer.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:06:55
The point is whether or not it's worth Cureton coming back. I think so because our results have been pretty shit anyway so changing things around a bit may as well be tried.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:09:14
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
The point is whether or not it's worth Cureton coming back. I think so because our results have been pretty shit anyway so changing things around a bit may as well be tried.


I would agree with that statement.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:09:52
me too


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:10:02
me too


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: fatbury on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:11:25
me three


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DV on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:11:28
but the results havent been that bad, have they?

Bar Barnsley at home we have been playing alright and picking up points.

The performances have also been so much better under Iffy, and he certainly hasnt dragged to 7 straight defeats....


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:13:39
Both results and performances under Iffy have been better. FACT.

He is also doing that with a squad him inherited, and may not be to his taste apart from the few loan signings.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:17:06
Some of the performances have been better, some the same (i.e. piss poor)  DOUBLE FACT NO RETURNS

As Pie says, his hands are tied regarding inherited squad and loans. Still think we needed a midfielder more than Crouchwski, but who knows who he tried to get in and failed...


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: mattboyslim on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:19:06
Ben, did you say that when results are shit you need to chnage things.  That almost for a moment read like you thought gettign rid of King was a good idea! :wink:


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:25:57
Quote from: "mattboyslim"
Ben, did you say that when results are shit you need to chnage things.  That almost for a moment read like you thought gettign rid of King was a good idea! :wink:


It would have made more sense to change the problem areas rather than our stronger ones.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Spud on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:27:33
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "mattboyslim"
Ben, did you say that when results are shit you need to chnage things.  That almost for a moment read like you thought gettign rid of King was a good idea! :wink:


It would have made more sense to change the problem areas rather than our stronger ones.


What were our stronger areas?. :roll:


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:30:19
Mods, can we have a poll thread please?

"Have we improved under Iffy?"


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:31:39
Quote from: "DV85"
but the results havent been that bad, have they?

Bar Barnsley at home we have been playing alright and picking up points.

The performances have also been so much better under Iffy, and he certainly hasnt dragged to 7 straight defeats....

What's 7 straight defeats got to do with anything. Yes he has done better than Gary Johnson.

But whilst results haven't all been terrible, they haven't all been great and some have been shocking. Not just barnsley at home, what about Boston home and away and Peterborough, Franchise, port vale home.

If you're winning every game and the team is looking strong there's no need to try anything different but I think there's room for improvement and Cureton's worth another go.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:34:41
Quote from: "Piemonte"
Mods, can we have a poll thread please?

"Have we improved under Iffy?"


We've already had that one, I'd be more interested in a poll of Should cureton get another go or should we keep things as they are.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Spud on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:36:19
Id give Cureton another go, what harm would it do?.

I wouldnt bother with Thorpe he's had plenty of chances.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:37:16
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "Piemonte"
Mods, can we have a poll thread please?

"Have we improved under Iffy?"


We've already had that one, I'd be more interested in a poll of Should cureton get another go or should we keep things as they are.


True, but we've played at least another 5 games since that poll, so I think it would still have a point and peoples opinions may have changed.

Fair enough, lets have a poll about cureton too. more the merrier.

I think we (the TEF) should actually manage the club as a democracy, and our desions be legally binding to the club :|


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:44:50
The players under Iffy look more enthusiatic (sp?), more committed (apart from Roberts), and look more passionate about games. These all help in dog-fights.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Luci on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 13:51:16
Quote from: "arriba"
we should play 4,4,2 with cureton and fallon upfront.
cureton has gone away and found his form,which is what we wanted.as he is our player already,i dont see it as a gamble.
iffy should fuck roberts and thorpe out the door,big headed useless tossers


I'm not sure why there is this assumption that if Cureton comes back he will play as well for us banging goals in every week?  he may have found his form however that is because he fits into Colchester far better than he did for us.  I think it will be an anti-climax for him coming back to Swindon where he had a bad start to the season.  If that was me I would be far happier staying at a team I know I could perform well in and play first team football every week.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 14:00:57
who has assumed he will play as well for us?
he wasn't scoring but now is,surely worth another chance


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Luci on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 14:02:39
I wasn't saying you were all I was saying is that there seems a lot of talk about getting him back as we need him to score goals etc. not just on this thread.  Maybe he is worth another chance just hope its not a disappointment if or when he does return.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 14:32:35
Quote from: "arriba"
Quote from: "Piemonte"
Who plays on the wings and supplies the ammunition for them then Arriba?


any 2 of these
bouazza,shakes,nickalau,stroud,also roberts would be perfect wide right if he put some effort in.
our current so called style has us way down the league


A big long list there. Pity they are either usless (Nicholau and shakes because he cant cross) untried (stroud) or prefer to play up front (Roberts, Bouazza)

If we actually had some quality (and reliable) wingers I'd be all for a move to 4-4-2. However we dont.

And as for our "so -called style" King put us bottom, not Iffy. As I've said elsewhere hes just picking up the pieces of kings regime.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 14:33:09
stroud isn't untried, he's skill.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 14:37:40
untried in the sense he's got 1.5 games worth of experience in the 1st team.

He did look ok mind, but I dont think changing the entire system of play is worth it to accomodate a midget striker and a decent looking, but still young left winger.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Northern Red on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 15:01:06
Stroud was excellent at Huddersfield and to be honest I don't know why Iffy dropped him...deserves another chance and a bench place ahead of some others...


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: mattboyslim on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 15:05:02
I think injury forced stroud off against Scunny (?) at half time.  To be honest he hadn't overwhelmed me in that half, but I might have been expecting too much after hearing how well he did at Huddersfield.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 15:06:34
He went off at half time in the 1st boston game. Is he fit again now?


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: DV on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 16:48:56
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"


But whilst results haven't all been terrible, they haven't all been great and some have been shocking. Not just barnsley at home, what about Boston home and away and Peterborough, Franchise, port vale home.


Boston and P'boro were in the cup, so honestly I dont give a fuck.

Franchise, Iffy had been incharge less than a week and hadnt had time to bring his own players in.

We were that bad Port Vale at home, we deserved more than a 2-1 defeat.

What about the good performances at Huddersfield, Port Vale, Brentford, Bristol City & Rotherham (wasnt good, but was solid)

We are a better team under Iffy. The performances have got better and the results are slowly getting better as well.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 17:01:45
Blah blah blah blah blah etc. etc.

You know cup runs can make us a lot of money, money that we desperately need so it's very important.

In all seriousness I was pretty pissed off to be out of all cups at this stage. Last year people were moaning when we went out in a area semi final in the ldv. Going out at this stage is a lot worse.

Iffy is totally culpable for Franchise. You're missing the point anyway, it was about whether Cureton can improve us not whether Iffy is doing a good job.


Title: Sabin's Header, Cureton's Strike
Post by: Bedford Red on Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 18:24:52
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Blah blah blah blah blah etc. etc.

You know cup runs can make us a lot of money, money that we desperately need so it's very important.

In all seriousness I was pretty pissed off to be out of all cups at this stage. Last year people were moaning when we went out in a area semi final in the ldv. Going out at this stage is a lot worse.

Iffy is totally culpable for Franchise. You're missing the point anyway, it was about whether Cureton can improve us not whether Iffy is doing a good job.


King was never bothered about the cups either, we were always crap in them under him apart from the odd run in the LDV, wow!