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ben wah balls i will send you a tape of tonights game

 :D

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Didnt watch the game?

Crouching Striker, Hidden talent?

fucking donkey, what a rip off

Liverpool lost at Palace, that's funny.

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Musing the result this morning would have well been worth a couple of quid in hindsight.

It's most of the rest of liverpool's team that are shite, not Crouch. Morientes for example is useless.

Pot, Kettle, Black. Morientes useless, he was doing it on a higher level than crouch ever could at monaco and Madrid.

Morientes has been shite for liverpool whilst crouch has done a lot better. Morientes has always been very overrated,  as a lot of players who've played for real madrid are.

Morientes has scored 26 goals in 40 international appearances, won the champion's league 4 times and scored 72 league goals in 182 appearances for Real Madrid, all of this experience and proven goalscoring capabilities and he's only ever joined one club for a transfer fee, Liverpool for £6.3m.

Meanwihle, Crouch has won nothing in his career, been relegated once but has scored 50 goals in 164 appearance, although a large chunk of these goals (18 in fact) came in Division 1 with Portsmouth, as opposed to all of Morientes' goals came for Real Madrid at the highest level. In total, Crouch has had 6 clubs and cost a total of £15,560,000.

Fair enough that Morientes didn't have a great start at Liverpool but he's a player of proven class and I'd have him in my team in front of donkey Crouch anyday.

p.s. Ronaldo, Zidane, Roberto Carlos, Raul, Casillas, Beckham, Salgado, Robinho...all overrated? That's just the current squad.

I do think Roberto Carlos is somewhat over rated.  But then again that's just me.

Raul is very overrated, Ronaldo too I would say and Carlos, I mean they're rated as the best in the world, when they're not, hence why Real Madrid have not really done much in the last couple of years, they're an overrated side. Beckham as well to be honest.

72 in 182 at Real Madrid is less impressive than 18 in 35 or whatever Crouch got last year as that was at a crap team, most strikers could score a shitload for Real Madrid and they're in a weaker league too. You can hardly blame Crouch for Soutthampton getting relegated, he almost single handedly kept them up, if he'd played against Portsmouth he probably would have.

Crouch has got 50 in just 132 starts which is very impressive considering he is as much a creator as a finisher.

Moreintes hasn't had a decent season since 2001/2002, Crouch had superb one just last year. I would have Crouch in my side over Morientes every time.

It's also worth remembering that Crouch is 5 years younger than Morientes so to have already got 50 goals is very good.

I stopped reading after that.

Well perhaps you should continue if you want to understand.

They are overrated, I mean Raul has won bronze in the world player of the year but in the last couple of years what has he done? Not much, nothing to justify that certainly - and he's surrounded by so called galacticos. That's why he's overrated, sure he's a decent player but he's not close to Rooney's class for example.

I mean you've got to realise that it's a lot easier for a very highly rated player to be overrated. If Real Madrid's team were really as good as they're supposed to be they'd have done a hell of a lot better in Europe the last couple of years, but they're not and they can't even win the Spanish league.

I think Raul is very over rated tbh, he lives off past seasons and he was crap last season.

The manager wouldnt drop Raul as he is the darling of Madrid and the fans would probably call for the managers sacking if this happened.

Exactly. :nod:

Scoring 72 goals for Real is LESS impressive than scoring 18 for Pompey?

Jumping Jack Christ

Southampton Dave.  :roll:

Yes it's a pretty simple principle Dave, Real Madrid are one of the best  teams in Spain and have players like Zidane and Beckham who provide a shitload of quality service and Southampton....? Do you see?

Essentially it's a lot easier to score a load when you're in an attacking team at the top of the table like Real who create a load of chances than one fighting relegation like Southampton were last year.

Surely that's easy enough to understand? No?

So's Peter Crouch then

Peter Crouch is not overrated because he is not rated as one of the best players in the world, in fact a lot of people think he is shit, hence he is underrated because he is not shit.

He's not living on past seasons either, his best season was his last one, Raul's decent ones were 4+ years ago.

Remember Reg rates Crouch and Reg is never wrong.

No doubt he did very well last season 12 league goals putting him up with Andy Cole in the top goal scorers in the Premiership.  Although it has to be said that Southampton side were a tad unlucky to go down and hardly short when it came to creating chances, Kevin Phillips notched up another 10.

I wouldn’t go as so far to say that Crouch  is actually much cop although there are certainly worse around to date.

Come the end of the day strikers get judged on the number of goals they score and 18 coming into your 5th season in the top flight is not worth writing home about.  Crouch's height is his one saving grace and ticket out of the Championship.  Target men are becoming more and more of a rarity and like old Sven said he adds an 'extra dimension' to his side.  Chop a foot off at the bottom and he’s lower Championship standard at the very most.

And yes he was fucking abysmal last night.

It was 16 in 33 games he got last year in total, that's pretty much 1 in 2, only Henry, Van Nistlerooy who only got 6 in the league and Johnson whose were all penalties did better.

Twelve league goals being the benchmark against consistent opposition to allow for a fair comparison.  

Still to be fair 12 in 27 is an exceptional tally given form previous to and post 04/05.

Cup runs don't count!   :P

nice post sonic in the last year the stat that means most to me is crouch has scored more prem goals than morientes,,also crouch playes with a strike partner last night surely cisse would have been more effective with crouch than morientes to simalar imo but hey benitez knows best :roll: in europe anyway

At the end of the day, Peter Crouch is shite

Even talking about him in the same setence as Ronaldo, Raul and Morientes is insult.

You can claim they get better service at Real Madrid and they probably do....but you know you dont JUST get to play for Real Madrid for no fucking reason.

Plus Ronaldo, Raul and Morientes all have good records at International level and in the Champions league

I bet Crouch will not score more than 6 goals in the league all season.

At the end of the day you're talking shite. :nod:

Put your money where you mouth is

£100 says Peter Crouch gets no more than 6 league goals all season....

Btw I wasn't saying Crouch is better than Raul and Ronaldo anyway, I just said those those two are overrated, they're still very good, just not in the worlds top 10 like they're often made out to be. He is better than Morientes though.

How many goals Crouch scores depends how much he plays.

Crouch is a decent player.  Not great, not shite.

Liverpool were stuck at 0-0 today away at Aston Villa, Crouch comes on, wins them a penalty which breaks the deadlock and wins them the game. :clap:

Good win for Liverpool, 2 late goals.

Eric Sabin won lots of penalties and was still crap

Crouch is just another Heskey. Fairly decent player, but not the highest caliber

Well, Peter Crouch really is nothing like Eric Sabin. Crouch played a big part in the other goal too, no coincedence that liverpool got the two late goals with Crouch on the field and nothing when he wasn't, he changed the game completely.

i didn't see the liverpool game today - did peter crouch ever look like scoring a goal?

Sorry but it was never a penalty, Crouch had his arm round the Villa player and went down.  :evil:

Yes he did look like scoring, he set two up and caused Villa a hell of a lot of problems when the match looked to be heading for a draw, all in just 20 minutes. He should start alongside Cisse (although he was crap along with Morientes) in their next game.

i've just read the match report on the bbc site and they say he missed a very good opportunity to score? tut tut! well at least he's getting in the right places, i'm sure when one goes in he'll score fairly regularly.

They do also say "The England striker quickly made his presence felt, picking out Gerrard, whose rasping shot was saved by Sorensen.", but that's not a great match report to be honest. Benitez praised him and damn right too.

i agree! his heading is atrocious for a stricker of 6 foot 7! he had a glorious chance today with a free header and stuck it straight down the keepers throat

peter crouch has the marmite effect: some say he's dreadful, others say he's fantastic, when in truth he is somewhere in between these two points. he is a good footballer.

If that was a penalty then I am a tractor wheel

You have to admit he played well though Dave, fans, managers, pundits all agree.

he blatently took him out though Dave didn't he?  :roll:

yeah, he did to be fair.

That was never a penalty, and Peter Crouchs part in the 2nd goal was being tackled.

He looked good out on the wing though  :D

Is this bet still on? :D

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: I hope so

How many is the lanky fuck on now? You never know he could get injured until the end of the season

He has 6 overall already but 4 in the league, all in the last 4 matches.

So he needs 2 more league goals. So surely just a matter of time unless he gets injured.

Yeah. He's a good player when he's on it, but when he's not he's very bad.

His scoring does tend to vary between scoring a lot or barely at all but I think that's because he's a confidence player. I honestly still think he's a good player even when he's not scoring though.

Liverpool now have 9 wins in a row, 20 goals scored, just 1 conceded and he's started them all.

I think Morientes is starting to find his touch now as well. Looking a little sharper in recent games.

Yeah they're looking pretty good as a team, Gerrard is on top form as well, they may well get second. I'd much rather it was them than Man United or Arsenal.

Crouchy got his 10th of the season tonight and he's past the 6 in the league mark now. Seeing as I accepted the bet dv should really pay up the £100. :nod:  :mrgreen:

:soapy tit wank: yep i think he should.

Yes so do i,pay up DV! :) I still don't rate the bean pole freak though,sorry Ben.Although i'm a girl so my view isn't up to much i guess :(

^^^ I agree with the girl ^^^^

Plus it would be interesting to see if DV could get more miserable and pessamistic..

 :nod:  :)
Surely the bloke couldn't get worse though?It doesn't bear thinking about.

:mrgreen:  ACE.

PAY UP VD YOU TIGHT CUNT :mrgreen:

I'll gladly pay me Ben, I'm sure you'll be at Colchester on Saturday....come say Hello and I'll pay you.

Doesnt bother me, Walrus bet me at the start if the season £200 we'd make the play offs  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Although I thought Crouch was now on 6?? maybe I'm wrong.

I still disagree his first goal was his against Wigan, but its not for me to decide.

Fowler > Crouch

Being at uni without my own car it's not easy for me to get to away games several hundred miles away but I can get to Chesterfield and definitely Hartlepool so don't worry. My Dad will be at Colchester though so maybe I could send him to collect the money. :)

Ok. So someone's edited the thread to make all mentions of the name of Liverpools lanky ex pompey striker to read the name of this ex Manc, Villa, Blackburn etc etc, Trinadad and Tobago international striker.


Why?

No-one's edited anything....

Not opening up the old axe wound Ben but where are you getting 6 goals in the league from?

Only five according to the Premier League, 1 in the cup, 2 in other 'competitions' and his one for England.

What was the bet anyway, 10 goals for the season in all competitions surely you can't count the World Club egg cup as a competiton? :o

The bet was more than 6 league goals... i.e 7 or more.

As the lanky sod has only got 5, VD's still in pocket.

VD should pay me £100 as compo for me reading his depressing STFC related posts day, in day out :king:

No he definitely has 6 premiership goals.

Two against wigan, one against newcastle, one against west brom, one against Everton and one against Fulham. He was only originally credited with one against Wigan so that'll be the reason for the premier league's mistake but that was overturned by the dubious goals committee so he now has 6 from 22 premiership starts.

He has 5 Ben, if it's a contentious goal then you've got to go by the book and the book says 5. The bet clearly says more than 6 goals too.

:D

2 x Wigan then... Newc, WB and Fulham makes 5 mate.

Haha whatever dave it's not a contentious goal, the final decision was made and they decided the goal counted, it's 6 goals.

Going by the book it is also 6 goals.

see above...

Missed out the one against Everton. It's definitely 6 Dave.

still says 'more than six'

Well I'll tell you what due to unclear wording I'll let dv off if he stays on 6 but not if he gets any more.

how is that unclear?

will NOT score MORE than SIX goals in the LEAGUE

The man makes a good point

I'm not sure where you got that wording from anyway because that isn't what the original bet says so that's one reason why it's unclear but sure if he gets 5 or under I will pay dv £100, if it's 6 we'll call it quits and if it's more than 6 he owes me £100.

He said it TWICE on page 2 Ben. It's all there in black and white

Ah yes I see the first one now but the bet was the second one, however I would consider scoring over 20 goals as getting 20 goals or more and so scoring over 6 as getting 6 or more but as I've already said I'll let dv off if he only gets 6, the season is not over yet though.

You're so full of shit Ben :D

:roll:  It's not likely to make any difference anyway. Sweet child of mine. :disapprove:

okay dv's lost his bet  :D

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Pay up VD  8)

Oh Stevie.

 :D

Two more for Crouchy so far tonight. That's 13 for the season now and 4 in the last 3 games as well as an assist and winning a penalty. He's on fire.

I wouldn't piss on him. Luckily, he's a lanky streak of piss, so he can put himself out.

raise your hand if you reckon that liverpool are scoring too many goals at once and will stop again? *raises hand*

Crouchy would've got a hattrick by now this season if Benitez didn't insist on always changing the strikers even if they're going for the hat-trick. Ah well job done.

yeh i do agree with that.

7-0 to Liverpool! :o Away from home too. That's mad.

It was against Birmingham though.  :)