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Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: fatbury on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:20:23 Who would you pick for the World Cup squad at the mo?
3 keepers - Paul Robinson Chris Kirkland Nigel Martyn 8 defenders - Gary Neville Ashley Cole Sol Campbell Rio Ferdinand John Terry Jamie Carragher Alan Thompson Steven Taylor 8 midfielders - David Beckham Steven Gerrard Frank Lampard Joe Cole Shaun Wright-Phillips Chris Sutton Stewart Downing Ledley King 4 strikers - Wayne Rooney Michael Owen Jermain Defoe Darius Vassell Ive picked a few surprise ones there - Steven Taylor of Newcastle - better than Luke Young any day Nigel Martyn - experience on the bench Kevin Nolan - deserves some caps Chris Sutton - midfielder or attacker option 8) Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: McLovin on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:25:16 Chris Sutton. As in Chelsea paid £10mil for him to score 2 goals, Chris Sutton?? Madness.
I'd swap Nolan for Carrick, lose Sutton for Crouch, Vassell out for Bent, Young for Taylor, and i'd pick Gareth Barry ahead of Thompson. Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: fatbury on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:27:30 Carrick is a good shout for the squad
NO WAY Crouch tho Bent or Vassell - interesting call to make NO WAY Taylor over Young every time Barry over Thompson tho - maybe u are right there BUT - Chris Sutton is a much more experienced player and I think would be a useful surprise to have on the bench 8) Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:30:41 Basically that is well wide of the mark fats.
You've not even got Richardson there, plus we'll take 5 strikers, Green will go instead of Martyn, Alan Thompson has no chance, I expect Bridge will go. You've forgotten John Terry - Englands first choice CB! Scott Parker has more chance than Nolan, Sheringham is a complete no go, Smith will probably go, as will Dyer if fit. Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: McLovin on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:34:04 Am i alone in thinking Alan Smith shouldn't be in the squad, nor Dyer or Jenas?
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: fatbury on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:38:14 Whoops how could i forget John Terry .. squad will be edited accordingly!
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: mattboyslim on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:39:02 Why was Alan Smith in the squad. He's no longer a striker and has a handful of matches for Man Utd in a new position, yet gets in ahead of Carrick, Parker etc (Although am I right that at least one of these two is injured?). Also Smith's international career hasn't exactly been illustrious, to sya the least, typical big club bias methinks, poor old Danny Murphy has been so much better than Smith.
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:39:20 I don't think Smith should go, but he will, I'm with you re. Jenas. Dyer, when fit, I like, he's dangerous and a sensible replacement for Rooney when he is inevitably suspended - IMO.
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: fatbury on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:41:31 KT - this was my squad not the one I expect Sven to pick ... its nice to see we have a bit of choice tho .. even if Sven does like crap like Alan Smith, Jenas and Hargreaves!
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: McLovin on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:42:44 Here's my preferred squad, FWIW...
Robbo Kirkland (if he's ever fit) Green Neville Young A Cole Ferdinand Campbell Terry Carragher King Beckham Gerrard Lampard Carrick or Parker Murphy Richardson Wright-Rubbish Owen Bent Defoe Rooney Crouch Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: fatbury on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:47:16 Expected Sven Squad would be
Gks - Robinson, Green and James (i still think he will go!) Defenders - G Neville Young Ferdinand Terry Campbell Carragher Cole P Neville Midfielders - Gerrard Beckham Lampard J Cole King (Mid or def) Wright-Phillips Hargreaves Smith (mid or att) Attackers - Owen Rooney Defoe Crouch Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:47:39 That's much closer DB - the only players I'm not sure about Sven picking are Carrick, Parker and Murphy - the rest I imagine will be on the plane.
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 08:57:21 The Squad I think Sven will pick... This is not my 23.
01. Paul Robinson 02. Gary Neville 03. Ashley Cole 04. Steven Gerrard 05. Rio Ferdinand 06. John Terry 07. David Beckham 08. Frank Lampard 09. Wayne Rooney 10. Michael Owen 11. Joe Cole 12. Sol Campbell 13. Chris Kirkland 14. Shaun Wright-Phillips 15. Jamie Carragher 16. Jermaine Jenas 17. Jermain Defoe 18. Owen Hargreaves 19. Ledley King 20. Phil Neville 21. Peter Crouch 22. Luke Young 23. Robert Green Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Northern Red on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 09:15:53 Sven's Squad:
Robbo Green Kirkland (if he's ever fit) G Neville A Cole Campbell Terry Ferdinand Carragher L Young P Neville (although should be anyone else!) Beckham Gerrard Lampard J Cole Richardson Wright-Phillips King Jenas Owen Crouch Defoe Rooney Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 09:19:03 I'm not so sure there'll be a place for P Neville - Carragher, Young and King can all do his jobs (better) and will definately go - we'll take an extra striker.
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: McLovin on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 09:24:27 We'll take 5 strikers, but won't try any of the sub ones out properly, so when Rooney or Owen are suspended or injured, their replacements will not be confident in filling their shoes, as is Sven's usual friendly tactics.
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Northern Red on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 09:54:59 Squad for 2002 World Cup
1 SEAMAN David (GK) 2 MILLS Danny 3 COLE Ashley - * 4 SINCLAIR Trevor 5 FERDINAND Rio - * 6 CAMPBELL Sol - * 7 BECKHAM David - * 8 SCHOLES Paul 9 FOWLER Robbie 10 OWEN Michael - * 11 HESKEY Emile 12 BROWN Wes 13 MARTYN Nigel (GK) 14 BRIDGE Wayne 15 KEOWN Martin 16 SOUTHGATE Gareth 17 SHERINGHAM Teddy 18 HARGREAVES Owen 19 COLE Joe - * 20 VASSELL Darius 21 BUTT Nicky 22 JAMES David (GK) 23 DYER Kieron That's 3 Goalkeepers, 8 defenders, 7 midfielders, 5 strikers So it seems we may take another striker...and Vassell has the experience of 2002 The starred players are the only ones we're likely to take this time...only 6 players out of 23 with experience... :shock: G Neville should have been there but was injured - The attack of the Meta-Tarsels (remember Beckhams foot on the front of the Sun :oops: ) Neville, Owen, Beckham, Campbell and Ferdinand survive from the 1998 squad, but Ferdinand was a non-playing squad member at the time. Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 11:11:46 Quote from: "fatbury" Carrick is a good shout for the squad NO WAY Crouch tho Bent or Vassell - interesting call to make NO WAY Taylor over Young every time Barry over Thompson tho - maybe u are right there BUT - Chris Sutton is a much more experienced player and I think would be a useful surprise to have on the bench 8) Sutton and no Crouch. :roll: :jaw1: Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: DV on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 11:47:43 Paul Robinson
Chris Kirkland Neville Young Campbell Terry Ferdinand Carragher Cole Bridge Beckham Wright-Phillips Gerrard Lampard Carrick Parker King Murphy Cole Owen Rooney Defoe Sheringham Thats the squad I'd pick Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 12:01:45 The strikers we should take if fit are: Rooney, Owen, Crouch, Defoe and Bent. Basically exactly the ones we're using now, to be fair to Sven he generally picks a good squad.
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: DV on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 12:25:35 Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" The strikers we should take if fit are: Rooney, Owen, Crouch, Defoe and Bent. Basically exactly the ones we're using now, to be fair to Sven he generally picks a good squad. I feel Owen, Bent and Defore are all too similair. The small quick type plus Bent, Defoe and Crouch dont have alot of expirence up front. We saw at euro2004 we were a different team without Rooney, he drops off and picks up the ball and he is very intelligent player. The only possible replacement like for like (ish) is Sheringham. Again look what happened at Euro2004 when we lost Rooney. Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: mattboyslim on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 12:30:56 I think Bent is more like shearer, not as big but fast, good in the air, powerful, not small and nippy like Own and Defoe, an excellent finisher from range also.
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 13:03:08 Quote from: "DV85" Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" The strikers we should take if fit are: Rooney, Owen, Crouch, Defoe and Bent. Basically exactly the ones we're using now, to be fair to Sven he generally picks a good squad. I feel Owen, Bent and Defore are all too similair. The small quick type plus Bent, Defoe and Crouch dont have alot of expirence up front. We saw at euro2004 we were a different team without Rooney, he drops off and picks up the ball and he is very intelligent player. The only possible replacement like for like (ish) is Sheringham. Again look what happened at Euro2004 when we lost Rooney. That's where I see Dyer as possibility. Plus he should get some experience of playing just off Owen at some point this season. Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: DV on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 13:04:54 Quote from: "Kinky Tom" Quote from: "DV85" Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" The strikers we should take if fit are: Rooney, Owen, Crouch, Defoe and Bent. Basically exactly the ones we're using now, to be fair to Sven he generally picks a good squad. I feel Owen, Bent and Defore are all too similair. The small quick type plus Bent, Defoe and Crouch dont have alot of expirence up front. We saw at euro2004 we were a different team without Rooney, he drops off and picks up the ball and he is very intelligent player. The only possible replacement like for like (ish) is Sheringham. Again look what happened at Euro2004 when we lost Rooney. That's where I see Dyer as possibility. Plus he should get some experience of playing just off Owen at some point this season. Sadly, Dyer lives up to his name.... Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: McLovin on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 13:08:43 Quote I feel Owen, Bent and Defore are all too similair. The small quick type plus Bent, Defoe and Crouch dont have alot of expirence up front. They will never gain experience as long as Sven is in charge, they rarely get 90 minutes internationally. I never buy the 'too similar' excuse either. Quality strikers, with quality service will score goals, be it two target men or short arses. Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 13:12:56 Quote from: "DV85" Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" The strikers we should take if fit are: Rooney, Owen, Crouch, Defoe and Bent. Basically exactly the ones we're using now, to be fair to Sven he generally picks a good squad. I feel Owen, Bent and Defore are all too similair. That's why we need Crouch. Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: adje on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 13:15:56 Who gives a toss?We've got a relegation to contend with!!!I cant be thinking about England.
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 19:34:21 Quote from: "mattboyslim" Why was Alan Smith in the squad. He's no longer a striker and has a handful of matches for Man Utd in a new position, yet gets in ahead of Carrick, Parker etc (Although am I right that at least one of these two is injured?). Also Smith's international career hasn't exactly been illustrious, to sya the least, typical big club bias methinks, poor old Danny Murphy has been so much better than Smith. According to teletext Sven is lookig to try Smith in midfield! :shock: :nuts: Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: DMR on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 19:36:48 I'd take Teddy Sheringham so we've got the obligatory serial shagger who everyone loves
Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: DV on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 19:38:57 Quote from: "dave_m_russell" I'd take Teddy Sheringham so we've got the obligatory serial shagger who everyone loves Plus he can play a bit of football aswell..... Title: Englands Final 23 Post by: DMR on Thursday, October 13, 2005, 19:45:31 spot on
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