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Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: larwood on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:06:09
Has been sacked by the gas.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: STFC Village on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:07:15
What did you expect? Oxford reject, Oxford reject, woo-o, woo-o :mrgreen:


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:09:25
Yeah i saw that on the text when i woke up. :mrgreen:


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:11:30
Unfortunately that now means he's available. :?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: larwood on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:15:55
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Yeah i saw that on the text when i woke up

When was that?Its so typical of me to be unaware of such momentous news till much later than everyone else. :wink:
To be honest i don't give a shit,but i thought other uninformed people like myself might not know about it.  :)


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:18:11
Im not bothered just that i always check the local sports text page when i wake up.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: larwood on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:56:21
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Im not bothered

Don't worry spuddy, i wasn't accusing you of caring about the gas ,mate  :)  8) The above sounds wrong,i'll edit it because it makes me sound more of a tit than usual :) .


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: janaage on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:57:54
Ex-Townie Paul Trollope is the caretaker manager, his sister can't stop laughing about it!!!


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 15:58:07
Damn you've exposed my love for Rovers larwood. :(


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: larwood on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 16:01:05
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Damn you've exposed my love for Rovers larwood

 :D
Your secret shame :) .


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 16:09:02
I really hope we don't get Atkins. :?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 16:15:54
i cant see em stooping that low. but then again, sandy gray...  :?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 16:17:14
Quote from: "larwood"
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Damn you've exposed my love for Rovers larwood

 :D
Your secret shame :) .


I wont tell anybody about your special love of the Pox!. :mrgreen:


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 16:38:35
Rumour is that King is being lined up to take over.....which would be a massive blow to our club.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 19:51:28
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Rumour is that King is being lined up to take over.....which would be a massive blow to our club.


Id be gutted.....






















...for the Rovers fans


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Johno on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 20:42:02
imagine his CV... oxford and rovers...both done pretty crap in all honesty. great work!  :D  has always brought in good players and not used there potential to its fullest


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Danjackson10 on Thursday, September 22, 2005, 20:58:08
SHIT!


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: fatbury on Friday, September 23, 2005, 07:10:06
Amazing!! My mate Paul Trollope is now the manager of Brizzle Rovers!!

I know I shouldnt be saying this (as a Swindon fan!) but I hope they do well in his 2 or 3 games in charge and he gets the job permanent and does very well.

Then maybe he can take over from Kingy!!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: larwood on Friday, September 23, 2005, 07:14:10
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I wont tell anybody about your special love of the Pox

Spuddy,that is slander,i'm going to sue you! :)


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 23, 2005, 08:35:55
Quote from: "Johno"
imagine his CV... oxford and rovers...both done pretty crap in all honesty. great work!  :D  has always brought in good players and not used there potential to its fullest


He very nearly got the Cobbs relegated out of the league a few times too before they both ill-advisedly gave him a job.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DMR on Friday, September 23, 2005, 08:40:02
Quote from: "Johno"
imagine his CV... oxford and rovers...both done pretty crap in all honesty. great work!  :D has always brought in good players and not used there potential to its fullest


sounds like andy king!


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Asher on Friday, September 23, 2005, 08:47:51
Could he be off to city??? There was talk they wanted him back?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 23, 2005, 10:48:44
Another club doing BETTER than us, who have parted company with a manager... :(


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 13:05:52
Yeah a lot better than us down near the bottom of league two. :?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Leggett on Friday, September 23, 2005, 14:19:08
league 2's the place to be obviously...  :?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:22:57
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Yeah a lot better than us down near the bottom of league two. :?


I mean with regards to the season, Rovers arent as far down their league as we are, same with Plymouth.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:29:43
Rovers have considerably more money and get the highest attendances in their league so not getting them promoted is a failure. Completely different situation to us.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Leggett on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:31:34
yea, they know what they're doing/where they want to be going, we're fucking directionless, so we keep a clueless cunt as a manager?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:35:11
No as I said before they have the money and resources to get promoted so their manager has failed.

We are millions in debt and are struggling to survive and were it not for having a decent manager in King probably would have gone bankrupt by now anyway.

The difference is their manager was holding them back, ours has kept the club going.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:37:12
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
No as I said before they have the money and resources to get promoted so their manager has failed.

We are millions in debt and are struggling to survive and were it not for having a decent manager in King probably would have gone bankrupt by now anyway.

The difference is their manager was holding them back, ours has kept the club going.


Isnt King atill in charge?, just that you put that weve got a decent manager in charge. :?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Leggett on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:37:52
:shock:
































 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

cup runs, automatic promotion, playing players in their correct positions, not pissing off his players, not buying lame players... the more i think of what King's brought to this club the more i see your point of view...  :-))(


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:41:26
It annoys me when people say he got us into the Play-Offs!, mmmm yes he did but didnt we have a great chance to get automatic promotion as unrealistic as that sounds, we luckily got a Play-off place with a point from the last game of the season.

Regardless of us struggling lets keep him cos we got in the Play Offs 2 seasons back. :?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:42:57
Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC"
It annoys me when people say he got us into the Play-Offs!, mmmm yes he did but didnt we have a great chance to get automatic promotion as unrealistic as that sounds, we luckily got a Play-off place with a point from the last game of the season.


The only reason we had a great of automatic promotion though was King, what other reasons are there? We had no right to be promoted.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Leggett on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:44:33
yea but we had the chance to wrap up an automatic promotion position, in the end we struggled to get in the playoffs!!! our form dropped off dramatically!


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:45:41
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC"
It annoys me when people say he got us into the Play-Offs!, mmmm yes he did but didnt we have a great chance to get automatic promotion as unrealistic as that sounds, we luckily got a Play-off place with a point from the last game of the season.


The only reason we had a great of automatic promotion though was King, what other reasons are there? We had no right to be promoted.


No its called Parkin and Mooney.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:47:34
Automatic promotion was always a long shot though, we needed to beat Plymouth to make it 12 games unbeaten and then hope that qpr and plymouth screwed up and we won most of the rest of our games.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:48:21
Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC"
It annoys me when people say he got us into the Play-Offs!, mmmm yes he did but didnt we have a great chance to get automatic promotion as unrealistic as that sounds, we luckily got a Play-off place with a point from the last game of the season.


The only reason we had a great of automatic promotion though was King, what other reasons are there? We had no right to be promoted.


No its called Parkin and Mooney.

Exactly so 100% down to King then because as far as I can remember he bought both of them!


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Friday, September 23, 2005, 15:50:33
Yes i admit he's a good scout but thats where it stops!.

So if we get relegated will you still say he's a good manager because we reached the Play Offs two years back?.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:15:26
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC"
It annoys me when people say he got us into the Play-Offs!, mmmm yes he did but didnt we have a great chance to get automatic promotion as unrealistic as that sounds, we luckily got a Play-off place with a point from the last game of the season.


The only reason we had a great of automatic promotion though was King, what other reasons are there? We had no right to be promoted.


Stop...Living...in...the...past

Yes King did well two seasons, ago that isnt a reason to keep him though.

Getting into the play offs two seasons ago wont win us any matches this season, getting into the play offs two seasons ago wont help us fight relegation.

The play offs were two seasons ago, this is the hear and now.

Gerard Houllier won what, 6 trophies at Liverpool....still got the boot didnt he


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:20:28
Dv85, King has proven he can do well for us and has not failed during any of his seasons at the club so there's no reason to replace a manager who has proved he can do a good job with near impossible constraints with another manager who  more likely than not won't be up to the task.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:24:43
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Dv85, King has proven he can do well for us and has not failed during any of his seasons at the club so there's no reason to replace a manager who has proved he can do a good job with near impossible constraints with another manager who  more likely than not won't be up to the task.


Never failed?

What was it Kingy said before the start of last season, something along the lines of

'Anything less than last season is a failure'

Well, 11th or 12th place!! is certainly a bit lower down that 5th, so by his own standards (which he of course changed through the middle of the season :roll: ) he failed.

King has proven he COULD do well for us, again that was two years ago.....doesnt count for anything now and he certainly isnt doing well for us now....NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW!!!


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:32:13
Quote from: "DV85"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC"
It annoys me when people say he got us into the Play-Offs!, mmmm yes he did but didnt we have a great chance to get automatic promotion as unrealistic as that sounds, we luckily got a Play-off place with a point from the last game of the season.


The only reason we had a great of automatic promotion though was King, what other reasons are there? We had no right to be promoted.


Stop...Living...in...the...past

Yes King did well two seasons, ago that isnt a reason to keep him though.

Getting into the play offs two seasons ago wont win us any matches this season, getting into the play offs two seasons ago wont help us fight relegation.

The play offs were two seasons ago, this is the hear and now.

Gerard Houllier won what, 6 trophies at Liverpool....still got the boot didnt he


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Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:39:53
The anything less than last season is a failure was merely a target King set for the team and at that time he didn't know about the missed vat bill etc.

Failed by his own extremely high standards but not a failure under the circumstances. 2000/2001, 2001/2002, 2002/2003, 2003/2004 and 2004/2005 were not failures.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:43:09
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
The anything less than last season is a failure was merely a target King set for the team and at that time he didn't know about the missed vat bill etc.

Failed by his own extremely high standards but not a failure under the circumstances. 2000/2001, 2001/2002, 2002/2003, 2003/2004 and 2004/2005 were not failures.


Last season was a failure, you go back and drag up all the posts from before the 2004/2005 season.

I'm sure there was not one person there who said anything along the lines if

'Finishing 5th last season was a jolly good showing, if I do say so myself. However I'm really looking forward to finishing mid table this season. Steps back are always good fun. tallyho!!'

You just said yourself King set himself a target and he didnt reach it, that is failure....


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:47:01
Last season King said that the Play-Offs were a reachable target, then he questioned why the fans expected a Play-Off place!?. :?


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:53:13
AS BWB points out, its difficult to motivate players when they're not being paid.

 You can set a goal at the start of the season, and that is premised on certain variables.

 The lack of wage cheque was probably one King failed to factor in.

 King has largely delivered on the targets set him by the Board.

 I've yet to hear any statement from a board member for this season as to what they're expecting....but having cut the wage bill, and released a lot of players , and handed 1 year contracts to all the incomers...I'm guessing they see staying up as an achievement as everything else points to going down.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 23, 2005, 18:57:22
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
AS BWB points out, its difficult to motivate players when they're not being paid.

 You can set a goal at the start of the season, and that is premised on certain variables.

 The lack of wage cheque was probably one King failed to factor in.

 King has largely delivered on the targets set him by the Board.

 I've yet to hear any statement from a board member for this season as to what they're expecting....but having cut the wage bill, and released a lot of players , and handed 1 year contracts to all the incomers...I'm guessing they see staying up as an achievement as everything else points to going down.


Well if the board do see staying up as an achievement (one of which I agree on!) we arent exactly going the right way about it are we....


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 23, 2005, 19:10:58
He set the team a target and they didn't reach it. Just the same as Arsene Wenger and Ferguson's target last year was winning the premiership.

They didn't reach it either and I doubt their fans would have been happy with 2nd or 3rd before the season started but I wouldn't say they deserved to be sacked.  Before I knew about Crosby, Devlin and Mooney leaving I was pretty confident but that changed things and although I was still optimistic we could make the playoffs it wasn't a fair minimum target, just a hope.

It's a bit like at Everton, they finished 4th last year, superb finish so should the minimum target this season be 4th or more because the fans don't want to go backwards? Would 10th be a failure? I don't think it would. They are currently in the relegation zone and already out of europe and their form is even worse than ours but does Moyes deserve the sack. I don't think so, I think they'd be pretty foolish to sack him as he's done well even though right now he's not doing well at all.

Anyway I'm going out in a minute, so can't write anything more.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Saturday, September 24, 2005, 11:43:42
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
He set the team a target and they didn't reach it. Just the same as Arsene Wenger and Ferguson's target last year was winning the premiership.
They didn't reach it either and I doubt their fans would have been happy with 2nd or 3rd before the season started but I wouldn't say they deserved to be sacked.  Before I knew about Crosby, Devlin and Mooney leaving I was pretty confident but that changed things and although I was still optimistic we could make the playoffs it wasn't a fair minimum target, just a hope.

It's a bit like at Everton, they finished 4th last year, superb finish so should the minimum target this season be 4th or more because the fans don't want to go backwards? Would 10th be a failure? I don't think it would. They are currently in the relegation zone and already out of europe and their form is even worse than ours but does Moyes deserve the sack. I don't think so, I think they'd be pretty foolish to sack him as he's done well even though right now he's not doing well at all.

Anyway I'm going out in a minute, so can't write anything more.


I cant believe you've just compared Andy King to Ferguson and Wenger!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Saturday, September 24, 2005, 11:52:06
Same applies spuddy, they all set targets they're all managers.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Saturday, September 24, 2005, 18:20:55
I wonder what target King set the players today? to lose.....if he did well done he achieved it...


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: STFC Village on Saturday, September 24, 2005, 18:22:30
Quote from: "DV85"
I wonder what target King set the players today? to lose.....if he did well done he achieved it...
Fuck sake Dan, go crack open a beer....better still, smoke some weed :doobie:


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Sunday, September 25, 2005, 00:50:31
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Same applies spuddy, they all set targets they're all managers.


Well if you're going down that track, Arsenal and Man Utd are in the CL this season which is an achievement, what did we qualify for?.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Sunday, September 25, 2005, 12:19:20
Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Same applies spuddy, they all set targets they're all managers.


Well if you're going down that track, Arsenal and Man Utd are in the CL this season which is an achievement, what did we qualify for?.


the LDV vans :beers:


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: Spud on Sunday, September 25, 2005, 13:45:48
Does that mean we might get Juventus?.


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: DiV on Sunday, September 25, 2005, 13:46:58
Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC"
Does that mean we might get Juventus?.


...of swindon sunday league fame....maybe


Title: Ian Atkins
Post by: oxford_fan on Thursday, September 29, 2005, 10:16:32
ATKINS OUT