Title: Assisted Dying Post by: No Longer Posh Red on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 09:06:05 With the vote in parliament tomorrow, thought it would be interesting to see what the opinion of the forum is.
Please don’t use this as an opportunity to try and change anybody’s mind Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 09:14:49 The difficulty is in the detail and I get the concerns from disabled groups in particular, but a firm yes in principle.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: tans on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 09:15:12 A firm yes from me.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 09:26:54 There was an interview with John Curtice where he was going over some polling which had been done, the surprising outcome was the elderly seemed more in favour of it than younger people?
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 09:46:19 A solid yes from me.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 09:49:36 Having watched my Dad fade away over a few years and been on the receiving end of his requests to finish him off, a yes from me.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 09:52:05 Yes.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 09:53:58 There has to be rigorous checks in place, but yes.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 10:01:09 There has to be rigorous checks in place, but yes. This is my thoughts as well. The tricky thing is how to make sure the correct checks are in place but red tape delays are minimised. I also voted yes. Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 10:35:49 There was an interview with John Curtice where he was going over some polling which had been done, the surprising outcome was the elderly seemed more in favour of it than younger people? Surprising? Really? Why would you think it was surprising? Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: No Longer Posh Red on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 11:12:34 There was an interview with John Curtice where he was going over some polling which had been done, the surprising outcome was the elderly seemed more in favour of it than younger people? Probably because most had seen or know someone who would probably have benefited from the option, whereas the younger people hadn’t had as much exposure, yet Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 11:57:31 An emotive issue for sure.
50/50 for me. Supportive of choice. Concerns about regulation, scope creep, possible slippery slope in terms of erosion of valuing life etc. Not a fan of the "Well people are allowed to take their pets to the vet to be put down, so..." argument. Jeez, really. On balance went no. Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Qunk on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 12:38:25 Yes
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Audrey on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 12:58:05 I’m probably closer to the end game than most on here. I’m, hopefully, getting my skin cancer sorted but you never know. I certainly have no fear of dying but I do fear some of the physical/mental states a person can get into.
Hope this club can fucking sort itself out before they nail me down. Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: adje on Friday, November 29, 2024, 09:12:29 No. I think legalised killing can never be a good thing. From a personal point of view the more days I get to see my loved ones the better.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Batch on Friday, November 29, 2024, 10:12:59 I'm not trying to debate this as such, your view is your view and respect that.
Just checking that we all know that the assisted dying proposal is. It says that anyone who wants to end their life must:: Quote - be over 18 and live in England and Wales, and have been registered with a GP for at least 12 months - have the mental capacity to make the choice and be deemed to have expressed a clear, settled and informed wish, free from coercion or pressure - be expected to die within six months - make two separate declarations, witnessed and signed, about their wish to die - satisfy two independent doctors that they are eligible - with at least seven days between each assessment I do very much get the argument that someone in the position may not be compos mentis (isn't this subjective) to make that decision, and may be pressured into it too. Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: 4D on Friday, November 29, 2024, 10:15:44 Some people go through hell, these are the people to consider.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: No Longer Posh Red on Friday, November 29, 2024, 15:28:36 So the actual bill has passed in parliament, with a much closer margin than on here.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 29, 2024, 16:01:33 Really interesting the pattern of votes - basically every party split on it apart from the NI ones. Starmer and Rayner on opposite sides, so were Davey and Cooper, Farage and Tice, McDonnell and Corbyn. Fascinating to see how parliament operates without a whip system.
Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 29, 2024, 16:13:56 Really interesting the pattern of votes - basically every party split on it apart from the NI ones. Starmer and Rayner on opposite sides, so were Davey and Cooper, Farage and Tice, McDonnell and Corbyn. Fascinating to see how parliament operates without a whip system. Was also pleasing to note that our parliamentarians can act like grown ups, something that's been lacking in that place for many years. Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Matt71 on Friday, November 29, 2024, 17:44:39 No. I think legalised killing can never be a good thing. From a personal point of view the more days I get to see my loved ones the better. My wife is an end of life palletive care Nurse for a cancer hospice you would change your mind if you had a chat with her believe me. Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 10:12:13 My wife is an end of life palletive care Nurse for a cancer hospice you would change your mind if you had a chat with her believe me. This. Interesting how your own personal opinion changes when you have to walk in someone else’s shoes. Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Nemo on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 11:18:25 This. Interesting how your own personal opinion changes when you have to walk in someone else’s shoes. I listened to a lot of the speeches in parliament yesterday, and basically all of them were 'my own personal traumatic experience of watching a loved one die tells me this is a good/bad idea'. And there's the rub - no two deaths are the same, same as two lives. There are some people for whom assisted dying isn't the right option, and sadly there are people who will feel pressured to choose it. There are rightly safeguards being put in to try and prevent this but you can never be foolproof. The sad fact is that you're balancing that against not forcing people to die in agonising pain or to end their lives painfully themselves/travel to Switzerland alone. There are a few people who are against this in bad faith, but a lot of the opposition is people who have weighed up the balance of good and bad and come down on the other side to me. It's a genuinely difficult one. Title: Re: Assisted Dying Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 11:32:53 As others have said, this is a personal thing . I have watched and cared for relatives who have died from cancer and other conditions. I am still not sure where I stand on this . Walking in my shoes (the phrase adopted earlier ) equally applies.
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