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Title: Next England manager
Post by: Qunk on Tuesday, October 15, 2024, 15:11:23
BBC suggesting it could be Tuchel. Would be happy with that

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/crej4347wq0o


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: oxonrobin on Tuesday, October 15, 2024, 17:11:54
BBC suggesting it could be Tuchel. Would be happy with that

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/crej4347wq0o

The comments section makes for some amusing reading, not much positivity on Tuchel

I feel that is about the best possible calibre the FA would be able to get. Doesn’t mean it will work out, but about the best available person for it.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: tans on Tuesday, October 15, 2024, 17:20:27
Times saying deal agreed and unveiling this week


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, October 13, 2023, 18:57:10
Hope he gets the job. But only because I'd love the confused hate-boners from the our knuckle dragging fans if a German wins us something.

He's definitely a stepup from Southgate at the very least.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Friday, October 13, 2023, 20:00:00
I'm watching Spain v Serbia and Spain are a totally different level to England now and it's not even all their first team.
Whoever takes the job needs to get England playing like a team. That much is obvious


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: adje on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 09:29:06
I'm watching Spain v Serbia and Spain are a totally different level to England now and it's not even all their first team.
Whoever takes the job needs to get England playing like a team. That much is obvious
Absolutely. And in Spain's case,it's not because of a high profile, successful club manager.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: THE FLASH on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 09:48:29
This is the modern world, shame we cant have an English Manager BUT the last English Manager to win top flight was Howard Wilkinson..

High bar to follow ref results in Southgate, we shall see.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: DV on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 10:05:27
Just a very quick glance but # of domestic managers managing in the top flight of their respective countries.

Spain 15/20
France 10/18
Germany 9/18
Portugal 15/18
England 3/20

….that’s probably why we’ve had to go foreign.
I’d love to see the stats on players as well.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 10:06:41
It's not really something that meshes with my politics, but I do think that international coaches should be from the country (or at least have a strong link to, no problem with someone like Carsley who just has a mixed identity) unless it's a really small, developing nation. But I hope he does well.

His penchant for falling out with players is probably fine with England, as we have too much depth anyway in a lot of positions. Falling out with a couple of attacking midfielders would simplify things!


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 10:17:06
Pretty meh about the national team and similarly meh bout who manages them TBH. Lets be honest if we were to go down the English route and it wasn't Carsley it would have been either Potter or Howe neither of whom would fill be with an iota of enthusiasm.

I see it not gone down well in certain media outlets,I do wonder whether him not taking over until the new year is down to someone being savvy enough in the FA to realise that if he took over immediately they would have to navigate the whole media 'is he wearing a poppy' wankfest early in his tenure....


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 10:17:45
I am more than happy with it. Would love a English coach but just will not happen. Southgate was the one off and there is no one else really worth promoting from within.

I would actually approach it differently. Young managers who are already managing they should allow them to be involved in the youth level still and get an understanding of it so any manager has a good blend of management



Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 11:09:51
No England manager has won the PL, no England manager has won the Champions League or earlier equivalents since 1981.  There aren’t any particular good England managers around.

TT is a good tactician, something which was probably Southgate’s weakness.

Seems like correct appointment to me


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 11:14:14
Also it’s sadly no surprise that the Daily Mail’s opinion is entirely predictable


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: 4D on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 11:14:38
I don't care who the manager is as long as they can succeed, best of luck to him.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 11:15:51
No England manager has won the PL, no England manager has won the Champions League or earlier equivalents since 1981.  There aren’t any particular good England managers around.

Sure, but successful international managers aren't successful club managers generally.

Scaloni (Argentina manager) has never had a club job, managed the youth team, then the national side. Luis De La Fuente (Spain) hasn't had a club job for a decade and was never top tier. Carsley would have been the "follow the crowd" appointment style wise.

I'm interested to see how Tuchel does, you're right to say he's a good tactician. He's got a bad record as a politician though - which is the one thing Southgate excelled at.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 11:47:49
I see Harry Redknapp went off on one about Tuchel getting the job.

Blokes a fucking clown


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: adje on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 12:46:56
I see Harry Redknapp went off on one about Tuchel getting the job.

Blokes a fucking clown
Thank god he never ever got the job. Many wanted it


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 13:06:27
Thank god he never ever got the job. Many wanted it
Hes a fucking prize idiot and con man.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: adje on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 13:09:59
Sure, but successful international managers aren't successful club managers generally.

Scaloni (Argentina manager) has never had a club job, managed the youth team, then the national side. Luis De La Fuente (Spain) hasn't had a club job for a decade and was never top tier. Carsley would have been the "follow the crowd" appointment style wise.

I'm interested to see how Tuchel does, you're right to say he's a good tactician. He's got a bad record as a politician though - which is the one thing Southgate excelled at.
True this. Schon,Bearzot,Beckenbauer,Hidalgo,Vogts,Lemerre, Fuente and Scaloni. All won major international trophies with very few prior club achievements


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: adje on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 13:12:09
Hes a fucking prize idiot and con man.
Can't understand why his opinion is still sought after to be honest. Still, I suppose he's perfect for Talksport(Talkshite) generation


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 13:32:41
Hes a fucking prize idiot and con man.

I know a Club in Wiltshire he would be a perfect fit for.🤣


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 17:04:43
I agree with the Duke regarding Redknapp.

As an older fan (I watched the 1966 world cup on tv as a 9 year old) I remember the various managers since Ramsey - including the shambolic failures to qualify for various World Cup / European Championships. Consequently, I take a different vies of Southgate than many others - I think he did a good job in making us serious contenders at a succession of tournaments, and he is undoubtedly a decent man too. Also the players clearly respected him.

After 4 tournaments he'd probably had enough and has gone at the right time, but I doubt it will be long before those who wanted to see the back of Southgate begin to think that maybe he was better than he's been given credit for.

Should England lose to Germany at any point under Tuchel, I can imagine what the newspaper headlines will be like!

The advantage of someone like Carsley (and Southgate when he started),  is that through the U21 set up he has worked with many of the players who will be the core of the team going forward.



Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 17:10:46
I think the continuation though from the under 21s sometimes doesn't help. Players being selected because you got on well with them at youth level etc. I quite like that Tuschel has no loyalty to any of them and with 18 months contract will be straight into it


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 17:29:23
At least Mason Mount wont be getting anywhere near the team now :D


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 17:34:08
At least Mason Mount wont be getting anywhere near the team now :D

Mount was superb under him at Chelsea, wasn’t he?


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: adje on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 19:01:00
At least Mason Mount wont be getting anywhere near the team now :D
Eric Dier might though god forbid🙂


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 19:03:55
Mount was superb under him at Chelsea, wasn’t he?

Thought they fell out hence moving to Man Utd?


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 20:13:08
Thought they fell out hence moving to Man Utd?

Poch was manager when he left.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: DV on Sunday, October 15, 2023, 09:54:16
Don’t really keep up with the Premier League anymore but my recollection was Lampard Chelsea boss & played a very attacking style of play.

Chelsea were exciting, scoring goals but letting too many in. To the point they sacked Lampard.

Tuchel came it and started to make them more defensive & towards the end of that season Chelsea hit a very sweet spot where you still had the Lampard attacking flair in the team mixed with Tuchels defensive steel & they won the CL.

…then the tide turned the other way as Tuchel turned Chelsea into a boring defensive team who didn’t score many.

Of course I could be well off with some (all of that)


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, October 15, 2023, 09:54:55
I think the continuation though from the under 21s sometimes doesn't help. Players being selected because you got on well with them at youth level etc. I quite like that Tuschel has no loyalty to any of them and with 18 months contract will be straight into it

Generally agree it shouldn’t follow blindly, but Angel Gomes was maybe one of the best performers of the Carsley reign and would he have been considered if it wasn’t his old u-21 manager?


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 10:58:45
Don’t really keep up with the Premier League anymore but my recollection was Lampard Chelsea boss & played a very attacking style of play.

Chelsea were exciting, scoring goals but letting too many in. To the point they sacked Lampard.

Tuchel came it and started to make them more defensive & towards the end of that season Chelsea hit a very sweet spot where you still had the Lampard attacking flair in the team mixed with Tuchels defensive steel & they won the CL.

…then the tide turned the other way as Tuchel turned Chelsea into a boring defensive team who didn’t score many.

Of course I could be well off with some (all of that)

I think Tuchel at Chelsea went tits up mainly due to the change from a pretty hands off Abramovich regime which he liked to a very hands on interfering Boehly regime which he didn't. His reputation to fall out with everyone is pretty legendary so who knows how he will fare with the FA, maybe not having someone above buying players and telling him he has to play them may be a master stroke.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: cdakev on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 11:38:31
Well this is my opinion which is shared with many people i know. It should be an English person running the England team not a bloody German. Doesn't sit well with me.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 11:44:06
Whereas I don't care. As long as we win something.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 11:51:57
Whereas I don't care. As long as we win something.

My take also. Appoint the best man for the job. Ideally it would be an English manager, but I think currently out of all the elite coaches you'd struggle to make an argument for any English manager.

Personally I'm not hugely arsed and wish Tuchel well.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: DV on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 12:19:03
Well this is my opinion which is shared with many people i know. It should be an English person running the England team not a bloody German. Doesn't sit well with me.

Funny how we don’t have the same qualms at club level…


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 12:41:34
I get though that this is intentional, so ideally all the people should be of that nationality.

But these are the rules. Foreign coaches are ok. So that's where I stand. You get the best you can within the rules.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: No Longer Posh Red on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 15:23:52
Well this is my opinion which is shared with many people i know. It should be an English person running the England team not a bloody German. Doesn't sit well with me.

I'd agree when the same applies to English club sides, once that happens we might have enough decent candidates to manage the National Team, until that's the case I agree with Batch, best man for the job will do


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 16:30:49
Farage piping up now...despite having a German wife.
Grifting twat


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 16:35:44
Farage piping up now...despite having a German wife.
Grifting twat

Another case of foreigners coming over here to do a job no Brit would want ;)


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: derbystfc on Thursday, October 17, 2024, 17:49:52
Well this is my opinion which is shared with many people i know. It should be an English person running the England team not a bloody German. Doesn't sit well with me.

Didnt hurt the lionesses


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Qunk on Friday, October 18, 2024, 01:35:35
I’m ok with Tuchel. I wonder if Zidane was considered though? He would have been a very popular choice.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: DV on Friday, October 18, 2024, 06:46:49
I get though that this is intentional, so ideally all the people should be of that nationality.

But these are the rules. Foreign coaches are ok. So that's where I stand. You get the best you can within the rules.

Do those who want an English manager also only want English players because errrm



Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, October 18, 2024, 08:08:05
Happy with Tuchel.

I wonder if there would've been this much uproar if we had appointed Guardiola?


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, October 18, 2024, 08:57:09
Happy with Tuchel.

I wonder if there would've been this much uproar if we had appointed Guardiola?
There absolutely wouldn't have been. Sadly, many people are more passionate about the rivalries with Germany and Argentina than they are about winning anything. It does feel odd to me having a German coach, but I'm not upset about it.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: 4D on Friday, October 18, 2024, 09:06:50
The Irish loved Big Jack when he was their manager.


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Nemo on Friday, October 18, 2024, 09:17:25
The Irish loved Big Jack when he was their manager.

Not to start with they didn't. Certainly did by the end. Winning matters!


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: tans on Friday, October 18, 2024, 09:47:31
What are the dickheads that sing 10 german bombers going to sing now?


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: DV on Friday, October 18, 2024, 09:57:19
What are the dickheads that sing 10 german bombers going to sing now?

Tuchel you’re the one.
Churchill bombed your Mum.
Footballs coming home again

Probably


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, October 18, 2024, 09:00:53
What are the dickheads that sing 10 german bombers going to sing now?

https://x.com/FBAwayDays/status/1846280600782578077


Title: Re: Next England manager
Post by: Munichred on Thursday, October 24, 2024, 17:29:36
Having lunch in a local restaurant today with my girlfriend Isabel. Three guys at a table outside, one with a bobble hat looked like Thomas Tuchel. The waitress confirmed, it was in fact our Honorary Englishman :-) I had a few minutes chat with him on the way out, very approachable and friendly. One of the others was England assistant coach Anthony Barry (had to Google), spitting image of James Milner. He knew Swindon, having played for Yeovil and Forest Green etc

I'd not taken to TT soo much in his TV interviews but he's gone up in my estimation  :) He said I resemble Italy manager Luciano Spalletti...