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Title: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 15:51:50
Plenty to like about that performance I think, even if the final result is a frustrating one. Who impressed you?


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 15:54:25
Easy Dokes for me.

FBT and Kinsella looked handy too.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: RJack on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 15:55:47
Dokes closely followed by FBT

Austin looked lost today


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 16:04:42
SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS

Dokes.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 16:29:20
It's got to be-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-eee...Maaalife


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Batch on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 16:49:07
Conceded 2, but thought FBT and Brewett had good games


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 17:16:02
Brewitt for me. So much better in a back 3. One cracking last ditch tackle and lots of other good work.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 17:24:45
Charlie Ausin was a liability today.
Very sad to watch.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, August 14, 2023, 08:14:26
Some really good performances today. I thought Khan was neat and tidy and got some shots off from the edge of the box. UGM really comfortable bringing the ball out. FBT got the sponsors man of the match which they rarely seem to get right. Another competent display by Brewitt as well.

I think I'm going to go with the sponsors for once, shock horror!


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: kirky69 on Monday, August 14, 2023, 09:35:06
Having watched the game back in full it has reinforced my view on watching it in live that Khan and Godwin-Malife were the 2 outstanding players on the day, with Brewitt and Blake-Tracey also very decent. The lack of votes for Khan is somewhat surprising and maybe reflects some bias based on last seasons performances from him where he was frequently caught in possession, something that didn't happen on Saturday. The Crewe commentators said he was our best player and he gets my motm vote.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 14, 2023, 09:42:21
Having watched the game back in full it has reinforced my view on watching it in live that Khan and Godwin-Malife were the 2 outstanding players on the day, with Brewitt and Blake-Tracey also very decent. The lack of votes for Khan is somewhat surprising and maybe reflects some bias based on last seasons performances from him where he was frequently caught in possession, something that didn't happen on Saturday. The Crewe commentators said he was our best player and he gets my motm vote.
I thought it could have been Khans best game for us TBH, only outshone by Dokes. As you say FBT and Brewitt both decent games too.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 14, 2023, 09:52:35
Listening to LSPod and reinforced how divisive Brewitt is - maybe more than anyone else in our squad (Khan? Hutton?).

I think (and I'm a bad football analyst so could be utter bollocks) he's a fundamentally sound defender who can tackle and head and is reasonably physical, all things that most fans like. His weaknesses for me are in decision making and positioning - particularly for the second goal yesterday he's literally stood there pointing at Tracey rather than marking him - obviously he doesn't end up scoring but would have easily tapped in the rebound. Perhaps those characteristics are... less often noticed by the casual fan?

The comparison for me is someone like Rafael Rossi Branco, who lots of people loved and lots of people didn't. Just interesting how the fanbase agrees on some players, but really doesn't on others.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 09:57:43
I think you nailed it . Last season every now and then he positionally switched off and it cost us goals.

I thought he played well on Saturday, but I've not watched the TV football which makes some things easier to see. 

He did put in a list ditch tackle to stop a certain shot on goal - that'll help with popularity.

mixed bag, mixed opinions.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:32:50
Likeability and ability aren’t always directly proportional either.

Brewitt is likeable, despite his limitations outlined above.

Keshi Anderson, for example, had bags of ability but was about as likeable as piles.

Some fans (the cognoscenti…) are only interested in, or more interested in ability. Some value character etc highly. Each to their own.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:48:43
Listening to LSPod and reinforced how divisive Brewitt is - maybe more than anyone else in our squad (Khan? Hutton?).

I think (and I'm a bad football analyst so could be utter bollocks) he's a fundamentally sound defender who can tackle and head and is reasonably physical, all things that most fans like. His weaknesses for me are in decision making and positioning - particularly for the second goal yesterday he's literally stood there pointing at Tracey rather than marking him - obviously he doesn't end up scoring but would have easily tapped in the rebound. Perhaps those characteristics are... less often noticed by the casual fan?

The comparison for me is someone like Rafael Rossi Branco, who lots of people loved and lots of people didn't. Just interesting how the fanbase agrees on some players, but really doesn't on others.

I thought Brewitt had a solid game.

Think how people rate Brewitt depend on what they expect from him. He’s probably a lot more blood & guts and a bit less football than what’s in vogue currently for defenders. Even at this level - the expectations have gone from effort & commitment but a bit shit to being technically gifted footballers. All over the pitch.

He’s good at what he’s good at & not good at what he’s not good at.
For me he’s like a reverse Conroy. Take Brewitt’s rough defenderness and splice it with Conroy’s ball playing ability and you have a fairly decent CB.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:56:25
Take Brewitt’s rough defenderness and splice it with Conroy’s ball playing ability and you have a fairly decent CB.

Who would unlikely be playing at this level, ultimately ball playing defenders (along with ball playing keepers) don't stay in the 4th tier.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, August 14, 2023, 11:01:11
Who would unlikely be playing at this level, ultimately ball playing defenders (along with ball playing keepers) don't stay in the 4th tier.

Well, yeah exactly

Which is why at this level they tend to either be one or the other & fans should probably factor that into their perception of said player.

I know the games changed (a lot) but our fans would absolutely go in hard on OOOH! Shaun Taylor over his sub par footballing ability if he was playing in 2023 (at his prime age not his current age obviously)


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 14, 2023, 12:29:27
I thought Brewitt had a solid game.

Think how people rate Brewitt depend on what they expect from him. He’s probably a lot more blood & guts and a bit less football than what’s in vogue currently for defenders. Even at this level - the expectations have gone from effort & commitment but a bit shit to being technically gifted footballers. All over the pitch.

He’s good at what he’s good at & not good at what he’s not good at.
For me he’s like a reverse Conroy. Take Brewitt’s rough defenderness and splice it with Conroy’s ball playing ability and you have a fairly decent CB.

For me it's not expecting Brewitt to be a good passer of the ball or to run with it at his feet, it's expecting him to be in the right positions to intervene defensively and choose the times to intervene correctly - I think that's the big difference between him and a Gordon Greer (or Shaun Taylor). It's not quite as simple as "stopper" or "ball playing defender" I don't think.

Defensive positioning is also the main problem with Hutton for my money - although I struggle work out whether it's his own lack of ability or managers asking him to play so very far forward because of his attacking threat. Probably a bit of both.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: normy on Monday, August 14, 2023, 12:34:32
Khan. I was very pleased he dominated midfield and didn't make any mistakes that I remember


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 14, 2023, 13:10:25
Well, yeah exactly

Which is why at this level they tend to either be one or the other & fans should probably factor that into their perception of said player.

I know the games changed (a lot) but our fans would absolutely go in hard on OOOH! Shaun Taylor over his sub par footballing ability if he was playing in 2023 (at his prime age not his current age obviously)

Thing is we are a 4th tier club on merit at the moment and thus at best only likley to attract (hopefully the better quality) 4th tier players, we may wave our winkles about re bigger crowds and be perceived as a bigger club, but we are where we are, just a fact of life.


Title: Re: Swindon v Crewe MoM Thread
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 14, 2023, 15:25:26
For me it's not expecting Brewitt to be a good passer of the ball or to run with it at his feet, it's expecting him to be in the right positions to intervene defensively and choose the times to intervene correctly - I think that's the big difference between him and a Gordon Greer (or Shaun Taylor). It's not quite as simple as "stopper" or "ball playing defender" I don't think.

Defensive positioning is also the main problem with Hutton for my money - although I struggle work out whether it's his own lack of ability or managers asking him to play so very far forward because of his attacking threat. Probably a bit of both.
Based on the bollockings he was getting Saturday i would say it was his own lack of ability.