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rooney you are a disgrace  :x

As a jock i find this hilarious well done Northern Ireland and England have been exposed for the shit the shit they really are.

As a jock i find this hilarious well done Northern Ireland and England have been exposed for the shit the shit they really are.

We'll see who goes to Germany and who stays in Scotland  :soapy tit wank:

As a jock i find this hilarious well done Northern Ireland and England have been exposed for the shit the shit they really are.

Yes we will.

At the end of the day even if we dont go i'll live happily knowing that every last Scottish player with give every last thing he has for the cause.

Northern Ireland gave every ounce tonight and were worthy winners. Fair fucking play!

Last time i checked england were second in their group four points behind poland.

the players have to take their share aswell

and why rooney on the left!? no wonder he got pissed off.

we have a game in hand knobber!! And have to play them so 2 wins = us going to germany, you staying in not so bonnny scotland!

I stuck up for the team when we beat wales on saturday,but that last night was inexcusable.In fact at times it was a bit like watching Swindon .Northern Ireland played with passion and belief,but they are ranked about 140 or so in the world,we should be beating them no trouble.We can and should still qualify,but both games especially, the poland game are going to be hard if play again like we did last night.

agree with that, i've always stuck up for sven (and did on here yesterday in fact :oops: ) but enough is enough. get him out now.

Our players were weak in the tackle, 2nd to every loose ball and were generally disinterested, thinking they could coast through and still win.

Tactically we were a total mess, what was the point in Lampard & Gerrard playing if Beckham is just going to fire 50 yard hollywood balls over their heads? Some of Beckhams passing was superb, but at times it looked like the entire team had been set up to massage his ego and act as a showcase for his talents rather than be effective and actually win the game. The team should be built around Rooney, not Beckham.

I felt sorry for Owen as well, he may not have been 100% match fit but the service he recieved was diabolical. I dont think it would have mattered in the slightest if Defoe had played instead of him, Defoe would hardly have touched the ball either.

4-5-1 = wank

England Vs NI = Swindon Vs Tranmere/Walsall

Sven = out

Jose Mourinho = In!

You realise that Mourinho would play 4-5-1? That's what he plays with Shaun Wright Phillips and Joe Cole for Chelsea.

You realise that Chelsea win games?

You realise that the reason that Chelsea are good at the moment is because they have spent heavily in the transfer market ?

NMH

Exactly they win games playing 4-5-1, it is a formation that can work superbly.  All this criticism of 4-5-1 is lazy, England should have been able to play that formation fine, they do have the players for it, we didn't use 4-5-1 against Denmark and we lost. I don't believe that was the main problem.

A major difference that is over-looked is the amount of TIME the managers get to spend with their players.  Mourinho has all week, probably 5 days training or so a week plus all the other stuff that happens at a club.  Sven has only a few days for each game.

Ah well i'd be quite happy seeing the media big up england, the players big up themselves the english fans big wide smile thinking they will live their only time of glory again, only for another englishman to miss a penalty that leaves the rest of the world laughing at england, again.

The inability of Eriksson to motivate is his biggest flaw      
 
IT IS not only friendly internationals that have been rendered unpalatable under Sven-Göran Eriksson. England forfeited their unbeaten sequence in qualifying fixtures under their Swedish head coach last night, a defeat which felt like a betrayal of momentum. With the World Cup finals only nine months distant, a fog of uncertainty now shrouds a squad that has lost its shape, way and meaning.  A first defeat away to Northern Ireland since 1927 was deflating enough, but in context with the measly 1-0 victory over Wales and the debacle in Denmark, a theme has emerged. Formation is the word that has dominated the preamble and aftermath of England's past two matches, but a more instructive one would have been motivation. The former is worthless without the other.        
       
       
In terms of timing, Germany is no longer a distant prospect (although England's travel agents should now probably hold their fire), but the side has conceded a forceful platform in group six against a delirious little country ranked 116th on the planet. It was an ugly performance, full of dainty touches and arrogance. Players are guilty of dereliction, but the failure is one of management.  Only Walter Winterbottom, Alf Ramsey, Ron Greenwood and Bobby Robson have filled a tenuous position longer than Eriksson, but longevity has not brought the public closer to him. While his private life has been detailed and deconstructed on a routine basis, he does not exude the avuncular warmth of Robson, Ramsey's sense of stature or even Kevin Keegan's simple passion. This will hardly help his image.  Eriksson's character remains hidden in the shadows, but the question of whether anything of substance lies behind the enigma is not satisfied. As the only foreign incumbent, something deep may be lost in translation, but do not count on it; the sign above his desk at Soho Square reads "Speak Low, Speak Slow and Do Not Say Too Much". The saying is John Wayne's, but here it was all too appropriate.  The sense of unknown is mirrored within Eriksson's teams. In a coaching career that has encompassed spells in Sweden, Portugal and Italy, he has held only one job - with Sampdoria - longer than this, but the nation is less familiar with his intentions than on the January day in 2001 when he succeeded Keegan. He appears equally bemused by the clamour that surrounds him. He may view the debate about England's playing system as overheated, but it is merely a reflection of the concern that a World Cup is looming without a clear plan and little momentum. Systems are irrelevant without the players to fill them or the means to do so and the suspicion remains that 4-3-3 is a sop to his senior professionals.  Eriksson will never lose the respect of a dressing-room because he never seeks confrontation with the powerful elements within it. He admitted this week that the collective form of Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard was a source of disquiet, but then it should have been for years and the shifting of David Beckham to the holding role resulted in the ball repeatedly clearing their heads. Gerrard had muttered on Saturday evening that playing in three different positions over the course of one match was untenable and there is little intimation that Eriksson is adept at influencing events in a positive manner. Brazil and Portugal crystallised that thought and there was a stern reminder of it when composure deserted Rooney in a first half of fractious endeavour.  Eriksson left his bench once, shortly after Rooney had been cautioned for leading with his arm against Keith Gillespie and coarsely told Beckham to "**** off", but he neither cajoles or inspires. Northern Ireland paid little heed to the game's niceties, but they played above themselves; it is a very long time since England have been able to make a comparable claim. Their fate was warranted.

Sven is scared to death to drop Beckham Lampard or Gerrard when its as plain as the nose on his face that there's not room for all 3.Yes Beckham looks good spraying the ball around in front of the back 4 against league 1 and Championship players but what damage does he do?Fuck all to be precise.This "system" suits him but it suits no one else.Its about time we stopped calling our players "world class".Ferdinand-dont make me laugh!

quite true...