Title: Next England Manager Post by: 1989Monkey on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:01:49 Now that clueless twat will go who do people want for the new manager?
I don't think we've ever been in a situation where there are so few options. Personally I would go for Eddie Howe and just give him 6 years to gel a young squad together Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Sippo on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:04:36 Who would want to do it..
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Audrey on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:06:09 What's Sven up to?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: adje on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:09:40 Chris coleman
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: suttonred on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:11:24 Doesn't matter who it is, a new philosophy is needed to give us a small chance, but it wont happen.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: 4D on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:12:24 Hodgson gone.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: adje on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:16:45 Got a feeling Eddie Howe might fit the f.a. bill
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:17:50 Makes no odds, we need a complete grass roots ravaging (which won't happen), the next 10 years are a write off, as were the ones before it.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:19:14 Cameron Corbyn or Lord Hill of Oareford. Woy for leader of the Labour Party.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:22:13 My ideal candidate at the moment is somewhere between Malcolm Tucker and a mildly starved Roy Keane.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:22:44 Actually, can we give it to Pardew? At least then the loathing towards the England Manager will be well deserved.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:33:02 Credit has to be given to Hodgson in some respects. He did pick players for squads that would have been overlooked by previous managers, I did like that about him. It has to be said though that he didn't really know what to do with them once he did pick them.
This was a squad which should be more than capable and in recent performances have looked like a squad that genuinely wanted to work hard for each other. Unfortunately Roy has let his nervous persona take over the mentality of the squad and we played the part perfectly as far as Iceland are concerned. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ardiles on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:34:56 I really couldn't care less.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:47:07 I really couldn't care less. You should, there's some talk of Gareth Southgate... Rob T's Pardew, is a shout, it would be so much easier to dislike. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:47:45 Shame Forest Green are paying so much money or Cooper could have taken it on.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: suttonred on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:49:36 Time to do some reverse thinking. I propose Barry Chuckle. At least we'd be good at 1-2's
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:53:06 Time to do some reverse thinking. I propose Barry Chuckle. At least we'd be good at 1-2's Mike Bassett :hmmm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4x05Z3MSkQ Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:57:05 Hmm, now you mention it, Neil Warnock is out of work.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:58:05 My ideal candidate at the moment is somewhere between Malcolm Tucker and a mildly starved Roy Keane. What about Jamie?(https://media.giphy.com/media/74ewbHRPuStFe/giphy.gif) Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, June 27, 2016, 21:59:14 What about Jamie? (https://media.giphy.com/media/74ewbHRPuStFe/giphy.gif) One of the best lines in the whole series!! :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: derbystfc on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:04:25 It will be an unexciting yes man, the FA bottle it, they did it with Clough, Redknapp, even with Hoddle in the end.
Look at the England Team at Rugby, didnt even get out the group in a World cup in which we hosted, the RFU had the forsight to appoint a man who has a winning mentality, 10 months down the line, 1 grand slam and a white wash down under. Can we see the FA making the same decision?? The answer is no. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:09:46 You mean Gareth Southgate isn't a bit like Eddie Jones?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:13:00 Steve Evans
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:16:03 It will be an unexciting yes man, the FA bottle it, they did it with Clough, Redknapp, even with Hoddle in the end. Look at the England Team at Rugby, didnt even get out the group in a World cup in which we hosted, the RFU had the forsight to appoint a man who has a winning mentality, 10 months down the line, 1 grand slam and a white wash down under. Can we see the FA making the same decision?? The answer is no. Let's not put Redknapp and Clough together, Redknapp won one FA cup in thirty fucking years and he bankrupted his club to do it. There is some validity in the Eddie Jones comparison but fuck knows who the equivalent candidate would be. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:17:54 Let's not put Redknapp and Clough together, Redknapp won one FA cup in thirty fucking years and he bankrupted his club to do it. Yeah, but he gives great quotes leaning out of his car window though so the media love him. The Boris Johnson of footballThere is some validity in the Eddie Jones comparison but fuck knows who the equivalent candidate would be. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:18:42 Yeah, but he gives great quotes leaning out of his car window though so the media love him. The Boris Johnson of football The perfect candidate to lead us out of Euro 2020 then?Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:22:43 Would his dog be allowed on the coaching staff?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:26:27 There is some validity in the Eddie Jones comparison but fuck knows who the equivalent candidate would be. Fabio Capello had an impressive winning CV in management, made fuck all difference.... Listening to Jones before the weekend....he was asked who he'd like to praise for England going 2-0 up. "Praise", he said, "not sure about that, praise makes them weak" Capello was a bit like that....hence the austerity in South Africa, where we were probably worse than this campaign. Egg chasing is a bit different....the national side is by far the pinnacle of the sport, for our football lot it isn't. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Monday, June 27, 2016, 22:48:50 I hope Hoddle gets it.
If not, I'm ready. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DV on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 07:22:14 Jose Mourinho.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 07:38:06 They should be begging hoddle to take the job. We've tired the foreign route which didn't work. I don't think anything will work but hey ho. I still think hoddle is the best candidate and most realistic one for the job.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DV on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 07:53:51 Not managed for 10 years now. Would have thought he's done with management after that length of time.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 07:55:43 Southgate seems a show in anyway. Jose wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. Hoddle would be too big a risk for the FA and while speaking some sense yesterday seems a bit hit and miss even as a panelist these days.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 07:59:37 It won't happen but i would be busting a bollock to offer the job to Slaven Bilic
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 08:13:36 Shame Forest Green are paying so much money or Cooper could have taken it on. Tis a shame, we really need another loser and somebody who can blame everybody else!Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 08:45:08 I'm serious about an Allardyce/Pulis type. The last 2 tournaments we've been very much like a relegation outfit, bereft of any confidence. We need to get back to te basicsa of being organised and hard to beat, even if it is ugly.
The country along with Wales has opted for siege mentality.....so the time is right. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 08:49:58 Why stop there? Why not just roll right back to the 70s? Kick and rush and lump it forward to the big man? Jumpers for goalposts, marvellous
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 08:53:04 You joke about lumping it to the big man, but Andy Carroll (or similar) is a dynamic we could have done with this tournament.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 09:13:03 I'm serious about an Allardyce/Pulis type. The last 2 tournaments we've been very much like a relegation outfit, bereft of any confidence. We need to get back to te basicsa of being organised and hard to beat, even if it is ugly. The country along with Wales has opted for siege mentality.....so the time is right. Sean Dyce? The modern day Allardyce/Pulis type Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 09:20:47 Sean Dyce? The modern day Allardyce/Pulis type Good shout. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 09:30:28 Good shout. I'd have no problem with him but I can imagine the general reaction to an appointment like that Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 09:33:58 Time for Arsene to leave the Arse and take over, the FA love him, a lot of Arse fans no longer love him, time is right but would he take it with the extra pressure of the media? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: brocklesby red on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 09:45:19 It won't happen but i would be busting a bollock to offer the job to Slaven Bilic He'd be a great choice Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 10:13:09 Time for Arsene to leave the Arse and take over, the FA love him, a lot of Arse fans no longer love him, time is right Time might have been right 10 years ago but now? Time to look forward, not back to retro retreads (Hoddle, Pulis, Wenger).Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 10:26:13 I think an appointment of Southgate would be a very backwards and uninspiring choice, so the FA will prob go with this option.
We need someone who is going to come in, and literally take the job by the neck, shake it up, get some direction and a clear plan on how to play, how to defend, how to pass the ball more then 5 meters, the importance of movement without the ball, work rate, who takes no bullshit egos. Similar to what Di Canio did when he came here, now im not suggesting Di Canio, but someone of that ilk, just without the odd moments of temper. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 10:28:07 I think an appointment of Southgate would be a very backwards and uninspiring choice, so the FA will prob go with this option. So you want a psycho with no real idea about management other than buying dozens of players until eventually something sticks in a job with no opportunity to "buy in"? And who's idea of man management is just abject terror? Great.We need someone who is going to come in, and literally take the job by the neck, shake it up, get some direction and a clear plan on how to play, how to defend, how to pass the ball more then 5 meters, the importance of movement without the ball, work rate, who takes no bullshit egos. Similar to what Di Canio did when he came here, now im not suggesting Di Canio, but someone of that ilk, just without the odd moments of temper. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 10:53:40 Why not?? because the politician type has worked so well? What ever works to get results or at least competitive it doesnt matter, a positive approach of going into games expecting a win, not going into games with a written resignation in your pocket
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 11:09:19 Doesn't matter who gets the job really does it?
Unless you change the mindset and way players are treated in this country(which aint gonna happen) the best manager in the world, whoever that is would fail in the England job. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 11:31:10 Why not?? because the politician type has worked so well? What ever works to get results or at least competitive it doesnt matter, a positive approach of going into games expecting a win, not going into games with a written resignation in your pocket Takes a bit more than just a positive approach though. Some ability to select a player and some man management savvy for one thing. A Di Canio type might be an idea if we're looking to put together an international squad made up of League 2 players competing against other similar standard squads and he has twice the available budget. Otherwise you're just floundering Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 11:37:02 Takes a bit more than just a positive approach though. Some ability to select a player and some man management savvy for one thing. A Di Canio type might be an idea if we're looking to put together an international squad made up of League 2 players competing against other similar standard squads and he has twice the available budget. Otherwise you're just floundering We need to recalibrate what is acceptable...the FA said that last 8 and a heroic failure to a major country would have seen Woy ok for a new contract. Perhaps that needs downgrading to getting to the tournament and getting out of the group as acceptable....after all England have never won a ko game in the Euros outside of England. Which is why I suspected we wouldn't see off the Icelanders. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 11:44:31 When I say a Di Canio type, Im not talking about Di Canio, he had his flaws, but its the enthusiasm, the balls on the line attitude, do or die mentality, we are a 2nd tier nation in world football, go with the mindset. Of course have some football knowledge with tactics, systems, otherwise we will end up with a Keegan type.
The FA have the money to entice anyone they want, but it will be a safe option, and thats just frustrating, because its just not working Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 11:55:20 When I say a Di Canio type, Im not talking about Di Canio, he had his flaws, but its the enthusiasm, the balls on the line attitude, do or die mentality, we are a 2nd tier nation in world football, go with the mindset. Of course have some football knowledge with tactics, systems, otherwise we will end up with a Keegan type. I understood what you meant and you are right.The FA have the money to entice anyone they want, but it will be a safe option, and thats just frustrating, because its just not working Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 11:55:23 Southgate is pretty uninspiring imo. Miniature Roy in personality if memory serves me.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 12:05:32 Southgate is pretty uninspiring imo. Miniature Roy in personality if memory serves me. tbf, he's the only England manager to have won anything lately. Albeit at U21s level, but it's more than anyone else has managed. He doesn't inspire me much either, but then neither you nor I are likely to be playing for England in the near future, it's more about whether he inspires the players. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 15:36:51 Egil 'Drillo' Olsen is unemployed, I'm sure everyone would love a Geography nerd communist as coach of England
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 16:31:30 Egil 'Drillo' Olsen is unemployed, I'm sure everyone would love a Geography nerd communist as coach of England Scratch what I said about hoddle, this is now my dream Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 16:48:08 Scratch what I said about hoddle, this is now my dream Glenn has been out of the management game for too long and has lost the plot....his line last night that England couldn't defend a long throw because the Prem is so sophisticated, and so the players haven't seen it for 30 years, proves it. Do you have a fetish for rolled down wellies Ells? The Olsen trade mark. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 19:15:27 Southgate nailed on...FA yes man..
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 19:42:33 Momentum for hoddle is growing. Cut to 8/1 tonight.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 19:46:20 I hope its Eddie Howe, because when he fails (which he ultimately will) the media can stop with this bollocks about him being the next messiah
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: dogs on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 20:01:42 I'd go for someone like Klinsmann and an assistant such as Howe/Dyche.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: leftside on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 21:14:47 I'd go for someone like Klinsmann and an assistant such as Howe/Dyche. I don't think Howe or Dyche would leave the PL (spit) for an assistant gig.Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 22:03:41 I know we're all only speculating, but it does seem a bit harsh to criticise the FA for not employing someone who doesn't exist. I mean this guy who inspires passion and drive, lives and breathes football, has a winning mentality and isn't a mentalist.. Who is that? You sort of have to pick someone who wants the job, and isn't just a list of ideal characteristics. You can criticise them for going for the "safe option", sure, but let's not do a thisis-style "why didn't we pick the guy who had all the attributes we want" cos all the candidates - like the managers we've had - have flaws. England are no more likely to attract a man with the aforementioned criteria than we are to come under the ownership of one of the super rich, super loyal Swindon fans that are apparently queueing up to take us over.
Also, as pauld intimated, whether Southgate inspires or excites us is relatively immaterial. His job is to inspire the players, and there's no way to know whether he's capable doing that without being one of them. There are a multitude of reasons why an otherwise adept player plays like shit, and I'm pleased to see after last night most of the "it's because they don't care" crowd are quieter than they have been previously. Except Waddle, who said its cos they listen to headphones, or something. I'm still trying to get my head around that level of straw clutching. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 22:38:25 Maybe England were just beaten by an excellent side with an incredible work ethic who made them look poor on the night.
Will be very interesting to see how the French get on against them. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 10:26:46 I have no expertise in this at all. Until Monday I thought Roy had done not a bad job since the World Cup....we actually saw an England team that could pass the ball, could move pretty quickly up the field, and who knew where the goal was (even if they missed it rather too much!!!). But Monday was appalling, and I don't understand why. There is skill throughout the team, but it went to pieces, led by Rooney who was worse than I have ever seen him before, and Hart who seemd to be totally lacking in confidence.
My view is that someone like Bilic or Mark Hughes or Howe (not them necessarily) but someone who has wrestled with a middle of the road PL team and got them playing better than by rights they should, and who still allows English players into the first team....and who makes no assumptions that somehow England has a right to be at the top table. It needs long and hard work and tough decisions...like Rooney out.....and a willingness to face down both the FA and the PL managers. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DV on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 10:32:33 I have no expertise in this at all. Until Monday I thought Roy had done not a bad job since the World Cup....we actually saw an England team that could pass the ball, could move pretty quickly up the field, and who knew where the goal was (even if they missed it rather too much!!!). But Monday was appalling, and I don't understand why. There is skill throughout the team, but it went to pieces, led by Rooney who was worse than I have ever seen him before, and Hart who seemd to be totally lacking in confidence. My view is that someone like Bilic or Mark Hughes or Howe (not them necessarily) but someone who has wrestled with a middle of the road PL team and got them playing better than by rights they should, and who still allows English players into the first team....and who makes no assumptions that somehow England has a right to be at the top table. It needs long and hard work and tough decisions...like Rooney out.....and a willingness to face down both the FA and the PL managers. I don't think it helps that we don't have enough proper competitive international games. The qualifying and then group stages are so heavily seeded in favour of the big nations we get through by default. Then the competitive games come and we lose Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 10:35:33 It's the same for everyone.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 10:37:27 I have no expertise in this at all. Don't worry the FA CEO, Martin Glenn has admitted "I'm no football expert" It's alright though he's going to have a chat with the Garys Neville and Lineker, to get some advice. The last 9 months haven't been a good time for Neville snr. However I will credit the fella for giving it a go, the pundits who finishing playing and then pontificate, their opinion carries little more weight for me than a bloke in a pub. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 16:51:55 I have no expertise in this at all. Until Monday I thought Roy had done not a bad job since the World Cup....we actually saw an England team that could pass the ball, could move pretty quickly up the field, and who knew where the goal was (even if they missed it rather too much!!!). But Monday was appalling, and I don't understand why. There is skill throughout the team, but it went to pieces, led by Rooney who was worse than I have ever seen him before, and Hart who seemd to be totally lacking in confidence. My view is that someone like Bilic or Mark Hughes or Howe (not them necessarily) but someone who has wrestled with a middle of the road PL team and got them playing better than by rights they should, and who still allows English players into the first team....and who makes no assumptions that somehow England has a right to be at the top table. It needs long and hard work and tough decisions...like Rooney out.....and a willingness to face down both the FA and the PL managers. The cowardice in not dropping shit performers upset me. All this bollocks about 'lacking confidence' ref Sterling etc....This is England Senior squad in a Tournament, not a fucking counselling event. Not up to it? Not up for it? Fuck off.....Sterling should of been left out after Russia and Wilshire shouldn't of even gone. Fortune favours the brave in this instance. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 17:01:56 Jamie Carragher nailed it.
They're soft. They're cossetted 24 hours a day with their agents acting like surrogate mothers. They have a feeling of entitlement, never having to think for themselves, anything goes wrong it's always somebody elses fault. In essence, they have no personal backbone. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 17:24:56 Don't worry the FA CEO, Martin Glenn has admitted "I'm no football expert" It's alright though he's going to have a chat with the Garys Neville and Lineker, to get some advice. The last 9 months haven't been a good time for Neville snr. However I will credit the fella for giving it a go, the pundits who finishing playing and then pontificate, their opinion carries little more weight for me than a bloke in a pub. Totally agree with that.pundits have no credibility with me im afraid especially lineker who has never had to make a management decision in his life.i literally know more about managing a football team than him. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 17:51:06 Totally agree with that.pundits have no credibility with me im afraid especially lineker who has never had to make a management decision in his life.i literally know more about managing a football team than him. Tbf to the boy Line acre, he has made himself into a decent TV link man. Now if you wanted some advice on that subject, I could see why you might go to him, but football management....nah. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 19:03:41 Jamie Carragher nailed it. Ah yes, Jamie Carragher - the man who retired from international football twice because he couldn't get in the team.They're soft. They're cossetted 24 hours a day with their agents acting like surrogate mothers. They have a feeling of entitlement, never having to think for themselves, anything goes wrong it's always somebody elses fault. In essence, they have no personal backbone. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 21:06:29 Garuff doesn't want it.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36669137 Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 21:13:22 Jamie Carragher nailed it. They're soft. They're cossetted 24 hours a day with their agents acting like surrogate mothers. They have a feeling of entitlement, never having to think for themselves, anything goes wrong it's always somebody elses fault. In essence, they have no personal backbone. That's a pretty damning way to talk about people you've presumably never met and have no personal experience of beyond contractually obligated soundbites at the end of matches. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 21:19:19 Ah yes, Jamie Carragher - the man who retired from international football twice because he couldn't get in the team. Carragher said this in his autobiography: "I confess: defeats wearing an England shirt never hurt me in the same way as losing with my club. I wasn't caring or indifferent, I simply didn't put England's fortunes at the top of my priority list. "Losing felt like a disappointment rather than a calamity. I was never in love with playing for England in the first place. By the time I stopped I felt a huge weight lifting." I wonder how many of the current squad hold similar sentiments. I suspect too many Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 21:19:29 Garuff doesn't want it. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36669137 Appointed tomorrow then Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 22:01:19 That's a pretty damning way to talk about people you've presumably never met and have no personal experience of beyond contractually obligated soundbites at the end of matches. Maybe a case of people most hate in others what they hate in themselves? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, 23:37:16 Maybe a case of people most hate in others what they hate in themselves? Just reactionary anger I think. Kind of like an elaboration of "useless fucking twats" but seemingly more cerebral Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Audrey on Thursday, June 30, 2016, 03:14:42 That's a pretty damning way to talk about people you've presumably never met and have no personal experience of beyond contractually obligated soundbites at the end of matches. Just quoting Carragher, who presumably knows how these things work, the bubble the players are in.Seems a good enough explanation of why an entire team disintegrated en masse at the same time. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, June 30, 2016, 07:14:22 So Gareth Southgate doesn't fancy it then, and who can blame him?
Arsene Wenger and his fellow countryman, Larry White, now seem to be in the spotlight. Oh, how Reg would love that! ;D Would be a headline writer's dream, though, eg "Wen are we going to get it right?", "England forwards still firing blancs", etc. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, June 30, 2016, 08:03:21 That's a pretty damning way to talk about people you've presumably never met and have no personal experience of beyond contractually obligated soundbites at the end of matches. To be fair hasn't he played with half of them. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, June 30, 2016, 08:22:01 I wonder how many of the current squad hold similar sentiments. I suspect too many 90%? Which is probably about the same % as fans who prefer club success over international success, myself included Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 30, 2016, 10:00:22 I saw Laurent Blanc was named on some FB thing. Are we likely to go down the foreign route again after Capello and Sven?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: kirky69 on Wednesday, July 6, 2016, 23:20:12 We need a manager who can galvanise a team, the last in my opinion being el Tel. Keegan tried but was tactically inept, Glenn was tactically astute but lacking in empathy for those who didn't share his values, which included at the time the faith non-healing Eileen Drury. Eddie Howe would get my vote as the best English prospect, supported by Alan Shearer. Otherwise it's down the foreign manager route again and probably Mr Wenger.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Audrey on Thursday, July 7, 2016, 06:33:58 I'd support Howe - if only for the possibility it may fuck up Muff.
I'm a hateful old Hector. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: tj2002 on Thursday, July 7, 2016, 07:31:35 I stuck a tenner on Allardyce at 8/1 a couple of days after we went out. Think it's his time and could be exactly what those players need
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, July 7, 2016, 20:42:30 If the Hun get rid of their manager we could do a lot worse
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Honest Lee on Friday, July 8, 2016, 08:39:11 Not to be sniffed at :-[ Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 8, 2016, 08:55:30 Apparently Roberto Mancini has expressed an interest....I'd rather have Allardyce
Just read that Bielsa has quit the Lazio job after 2 days....now that would be fun if next England boss :) Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 11, 2016, 08:56:42 I stuck a tenner on Allardyce at 8/1 a couple of days after we went out. Think it's his time and could be exactly what those players need Apparently being interviewed this week. I'm all for it, what this tournament has shown again, is that being fairly average, but with good organisation and teamwork can carry you a long way. We couldn't even sort out corners and free kicks. Now I'm not suggesting we'll win under Allardyce, I would just like to see a level of basic competence return. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 11, 2016, 09:23:27 Apparently being interviewed this week. I'm all for it, what this tournament has shown again, is that being fairly average, but with good organisation and teamwork can carry you a long way. We couldn't even sort out corners and free kicks. Now I'm not suggesting we'll win under Allardyce, I would just like to see a level of basic competence return. I am not really bothered who it is to be honest, if we cannot manage basic passing and controlling of a football as against Iceland (and that isn't really the responsibility of the England Manager) we may as well give up and go home. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Monday, July 11, 2016, 09:38:54 we may as well give up and go home. That's pretty much exactly what we did, tbfTitle: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 11, 2016, 09:39:54 I am not really bothered who it is to be honest, if we cannot manage basic passing and controlling of a football as against Iceland (and that isn't really the responsibility of the England Manager) we may as well give up and go home. Surely though, such a complete disintegration is the reponsibilty of the manager and coaching staff. I would suggest given the chronic inability of our players to think on their feet, what they need is a very simple game plan. Keep it tight, try to hit on the break or nick a goal from a set play, bit like Portugal. To this end, players selected should be those who demonstrably show teamwork and mental application. Flaky types like Sterling and Sturridge should be kept to an absolute minimum, ie perhaps you can carry one, but not 5 or 6 Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Berniman on Monday, July 11, 2016, 09:49:35 I would give Hoddle another go, just make sure that he has a PR man to keep him in check. If not I would go big Sam. As has been said, you don't need the best manager, but a good organiser that has the respect of the players..
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 11, 2016, 09:53:08 Time for Arsene to leave the Arse and take over, the FA love him, a lot of Arse fans no longer love him, time is right but would he take it with the extra pressure of the media? I doubt it. Arsene would still be my number one choice, failing that I would give Big Sam a go in the job.Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 11, 2016, 09:59:11 Arsene would still be my number one choice, failing that I would give Big Sam a go in the job. I think Wenger would be mental to take it (and the FA a little mad also) much of our problem seems to stem from mental fragility and this is exactly what seems to hold Arsenal back? Has Pardew thrown his hat in the ring yet (been away for a couple of weeks and avoiding the media post Brexit), did read about the Howe/Redknapp dream ticket over the weekend? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 11, 2016, 10:00:43 Has Pardew thrown his hat in the ring yet (been away for a couple of weeks and avoiding the media post Brexit), did read about the Howe/Redknapp dream ticket over the weekend? Thats mental Don Howe died 6 months ago....Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 11, 2016, 10:07:41 I think Wenger would be mental to take it (and the FA a little mad also) much of our problem seems to stem from mental fragility and this is exactly what seems to hold Arsenal back? Ironically back in the late 90's when Glenn took on the job, he wanted to bring in Wenger his old boss from Monaco, into a sort of Director of Football role, to take an overview of the whole England set up. Wenger was at Nagoya Grampus Eight in Japan at the time, from memory the FA didn't scupper it, but rather Glenn's praise of Wenger alerted Arsenal, who moved first and the rest as they say is history. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ginginho on Monday, July 11, 2016, 10:29:15 Fuck it, give it to Holloway, that's about as close to Mike Bassett we can get.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Honest Lee on Monday, July 11, 2016, 10:34:29 Perhaps you are forgetting the brilliant Steve Cotteril Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Batch on Monday, July 11, 2016, 13:00:12 Perhaps you are forgetting the brilliant Steve Cotteril He wouldn't lower himself. Plus the rebrand to "Steve Coteril's England" may prove expensive. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: fuzzy on Monday, July 11, 2016, 13:01:30 I reckon we should choose between Shearer, Keown, Mills, Dixon, Townsend or any of the other regular pundits.
They've all got fantastic ideas to cure the fuck up that is Engerland FC (well, they have if you listen to some of their bollocks on the radio or TV during and after a game) so winning the next World Cup is a nailed on cert. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, July 11, 2016, 17:18:27 I reckon we should choose between Shearer, Keown, Mills, Dixon, Townsend or any of the other regular pundits. They've all got fantastic ideas to cure the fuck up that is Engerland FC (well, they have if you listen to some of their bollocks on the radio or TV during and after a game) so winning the next World Cup is a nailed on cert. But would you disagree with them? They all said what we all thought. Would you rather they'd have said we were good? They're there to do their job and they called it as they saw it, what's the problem? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Monday, July 11, 2016, 17:21:11 But would you disagree with them? They all said what we all thought. Would you rather they'd have said we were good? They're there to do their job and they called it as they saw it, what's the problem? Have to agree with you there. Pundits take a lot of criticism but I thought after the Iceland debacle they at least showed they cared. I think we could do worse than Shearer - as an advisor anyway. The man knows the game very well, and I think he's improved massively since someone at the BBC obviously told him he could say what he thought. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, July 11, 2016, 17:29:12 and I think he's improved massively since someone at the BBC obviously told him he could say what he thought. If only he could say it without having to repeat part of his previous sentence. Part of his previous sentence. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Monday, July 11, 2016, 17:40:33 Perhaps you are forgetting the brilliant CUNT Steve Cotteril sorted :D Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Monday, July 11, 2016, 20:51:44 If only he could say it without having to repeat part of his previous sentence. Part of his previous sentence. He is northern. It's to be expected he don't talk proper like I do. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, July 12, 2016, 07:21:46 But would you disagree with them? They all said what we all thought. Would you rather they'd have said we were good? They're there to do their job and they called it as they saw it, what's the problem? No I wouldn't but, the guys that fucked it up as manager at least gave it a go. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 17:13:59 Looks like it's big Sam then!
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 18:11:11 I cant tell you how excited Im not.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: steveg on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 18:16:17 HOOF!! Oh bloody bloody hell! Why can we learn? Pisses me right off.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 18:17:00 Won't be pretty but at least we will be able to take/defend set pieces properly and generally be organised in all the basic aspects of the game.
Might as well give an old school manager a go, the other managerial styles havent exactly worked Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 18:35:58 I don't have a problem with this....we've been that poor the last couple of tournaments, that getting back to the basics is needed. If Sam can get them able to take a corner and free kick, that'll be progress.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: steveg on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 18:51:47 Your so wrong! Our kids will be watching that doctrine of shit and we've been doing that for years. 3/4 years of darkness. Fuck me he can't run a premiere club?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 18:55:47 To paraphrase someone on Twitter, It might be long ball, but at least they'll know what to do!
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 18:57:35 I'm happy with it. As someone said above, he's old school. Back to basics, he knows how to make teams hard to beat.
He plays to the strengths of the players he has, people forget some of the stuff Bolton played when he was there. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 19:02:53 Your so wrong! Our kids will be watching that doctrine of shit and we've been doing that for years. 3/4 years of darkness. Fuck me he can't run a premiere club? Oh come on, do you think we'd appoint Hoddle and we'd suddenly start playing beautiful passing football? If the players aren't up to it then they're not going to do it, it doesn't matter if we've got Big Sam or Superted. And this "won't somebody think of the children" stuff - as long as they don't emulate behaviour like unsporting behaviour and ref haranguing (thank fuck Terry retired) they will continue to prosper according to what they're being taught. And that's down to a lot of things, but it won't be Allardyce! Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 19:10:45 I think he's about the best choice available. I don't think he's as agricultural as people think, he's jsut not a Brendan Rogers esque philosopher who will try to play tiki taka if he doesn't have the resources. A lot of the clubs he's been at have, largely, been a pile of shite, particularly Sunderland most recently, so if the football wasn't great I wouldn't lay that 100% at his door.
That said, being able to organise a defence and sort out set pieces seems like a bloody good start as far as this England side go. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: steveg on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 19:18:00 You depress me I'm sorry to say. Absolute Turner all over again? I remember West Ham fans comments?! Wembley will less than half full?!
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 19:21:22 Fuck me he can't run a premiere club? :doh: Well yea apart from the fact he has left every club he has managed in a higher league position then when he joined Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 19:22:57 I think he's about the best choice available. I don't think he's as agricultural as people think, he's jsut not a Brendan Rogers esque philosopher who will try to play tiki taka if he doesn't have the resources. A lot of the clubs he's been at have, largely, been a pile of shite, particularly Sunderland most recently, so if the football wasn't great I wouldn't lay that 100% at his door. That said, being able to organise a defence and sort out set pieces seems like a bloody good start as far as this England side go. Exactly....the last tournament where we did sort of OK was Euro 12 (when I say sort of OK meaning not humiliated) Woy had only come into it late when Capello walked....so what did do? Our most completed pass was Hart to Carroll, we played direct. Drew with France then beat Sweden and Ukraine in winning the group went out to Italy on pens. Subsequently Woy tried to sex it up a bit at the WC and recent Euro....we won one game v Wales. THe FA have stated that it's the mental disintegration bit which concerns them and blame the tabloids...you'dlike to think Sam might bin off the Sturridges and Sterlings and go for something a bit more resilient, even if form lower down the pecking order. I'd imagine fellas like Colback, Cattermole, Cresswell and Shawcross might be getting a call Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 19:25:46 This is as good an appointment as you will get. At least we might scrap the stupid fascination with trying to play continental football which has got us absolutely nowhere.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 19:53:08 Hopefully we start picking some players on form rather than some cunts based on reputation and who they play for
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 19:53:58 The shape of things to come? :)
http://youtu.be/izkYlTVnpwQ Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 21:18:07 This is as good an appointment as you will get. At least we might scrap the stupid fascination with trying to play continental football which has got us absolutely nowhere. The last Manager we had who had a similar approach was Graham Taylor, we were abject, so don't expect a huge difference. Sam will make it simple for the players (he did a piece in a paper a few years back explaining exactly how he'd run the show) and we might become trickier to play against, but he'll still be working with the same players and comes with his own limitations (as shown by someone like Bilic at West Ham) Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 05:11:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7hEqCdAwjs
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: steveg on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 05:33:17 Micky Hazard tweet
"I feel sorry for the Birds, imagine how they feel,no more flying over Wembley during England games for fear of being struck by footballs soapy tit wank" Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 08:16:50 The last Manager we had who had a similar approach was Graham Taylor, we were abject, so don't expect a huge difference. Sam will make it simple for the players (he did a piece in a paper a few years back explaining exactly how he'd run the show) and we might become trickier to play against, but he'll still be working with the same players and comes with his own limitations (as shown by someone like Bilic at West Ham) Different world.....back in the early 90's we still had players from Italia 90 around, but perhaps starting to decline....the Prem, was yet to really get going, so plenty of players to pick from. Big Sam inherits a small pool of players of limited ability who've not had a properly convincing campaign for years....we're the national team equivalent of a relegation candidate....put Pep in charge of England and we wouldn't suddenly become good. I think the FA for once have shown some sense here Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 08:41:01 You depress me I'm sorry to say. Absolute Turner all over again? I remember West Ham fans comments?! Wembley will less than half full?! Turner?? I assume you mean Taylor?? Just out of interest who would you have given the job to? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 08:43:00 Call me a cunt, but I'm going to give big Sam a chance before writing him off.
I'm not much good at this football fan malarky, am I? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Tails on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 08:47:18 The guys done a pretty good job wherever he's gone really. Sunderland were goners until Sam came in. It won't be pretty but I imagine it will be pretty effective.
Getting a bit sick of the "he's never won anything". He made Bolton into a top 6 side. Fucking Bolton. Not to mention promotions with them, Notts Co & West Ham. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 08:51:52 Different world.....back in the early 90's we still had players from Italia 90 around, but perhaps starting to decline....the Prem, was yet to really get going, so plenty of players to pick from. Big Sam inherits a small pool of players of limited ability who've not had a properly convincing campaign for years....we're the national team equivalent of a relegation candidate....put Pep in charge of England and we wouldn't suddenly become good. I think the FA for once have shown some sense here I agree, in pure logic terms he is the best option, assuming Harry is now really only any good for the local bars of Poole Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 08:54:51 The guys done a pretty good job wherever he's gone really. Sunderland were goners until Sam came in. It won't be pretty but I imagine it will be pretty effective. Getting a bit sick of the "he's never won anything". He made Bolton into a top 6 side. Fucking Bolton. Not to mention promotions with them, Notts Co & West Ham. Pretty much reflects my feelings, I cannot say I am a fan of his (he comes across as a bit of a knob at times), but it isn't a popularity contest and he has a history of getting average players organised and playing as a team which is sorely missing at the moment. This makes fairly interesting reading http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36851259 Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 08:54:58 Call me a cunt, but I'm going to give big Sam a chance before writing him off. I'm not much good at this football fan malarky, am I? One thing for sure is that the England job always ends in ignominy....even Sir Alf. However you get amply compensated and I'm sure it can be fun. It will be te same for Sam, but he does look like he genuinely wants the job and think he understands English football and its fans. The FA want this England "identity" thing, which is why they put Adi Hoofroyd, in charge of the U 19's....currently in the semis of their Euros in Hunland.... ....and 2-0 down to Italy with about 20 to go, so a good fit. The U 19's, mainly big strong athletic lads with Prem clubs, unlikely to see first team action, apart from the FLT and a handful out on loan. We need as fans to realise we're not much good at this football lark....and learn to accept getting to a quarter/semi and an honourable defeat is as good as it gets atm Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 08:55:48 I agree, in pure logic terms he is the best option, assuming Harry is now really only any good for the local bars of Poole I wonder whether on his past record if Redknapp had got the job he would have managed to leave the FA bankrupt? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 09:34:57 Hopefully everyone waits to judge him until the WC in 2018, qualifying isn't worthy of judging someone unless they fail to qualify.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 10:34:07 About as good as we can expect. The problem isn't the manager, its having players that may be good in the English league but most would spectacularly fail in other top leagues. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 10:40:34 They need to stop being paid to play for their country too!
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 10:54:38 I thought some years ago they had agreed to give the basic fee to charity.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Tails on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 11:00:41 Ferdinand and co did, not sure if they current lot do
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 11:01:26 I thought some years ago they had agreed to give the basic fee to charity. I was pretty sure this current lot just get paid for it.. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: derbystfc on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 11:23:35 He will bring some much needed organisation, I don't think he would take any shit either. He will set out a simple yet effective system. I don't agree with his footballing philosophy but I can see why this appointment makes sense.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Arriba on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 11:27:07 When they're paid as much as they are, not getting paid to play for England won't make a blind bit of difference.
The fact that they earn so much and are pampered the way they are means fuck all will change really. Its their mind set which is all wrong. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 11:38:25 Proof will be in the eating!
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: steveg on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 15:04:20 Turner?? I assume you mean Taylor?? Just out of interest who would you have given the job to? Yeah Taylor, my choice would of been Hoddle/ Howe backed up by 3/4 academy managers. We do have some quality players out there but in general not used by their paymasters. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: suttonred on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 15:22:29 Ferdinand and co did, not sure if they current lot do Yeah they have been since the Nevilles started it. They said in one of the Euro matches all appearance fees go into the charity pot still.Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 20:22:29 Yeah Taylor, my choice would of been Hoddle/ Howe backed up by 3/4 academy managers. We do have some quality players out there but in general not used by their paymasters. It's interesting that Spain have appointed Julen Lopetegui to replace Del Bosque....he's been an age group coach, up to U 21's, so will have worked with the players coming through. It's a way of doing things, but I don't think it would work for England. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 21:17:07 About as good as we can expect. The problem isn't the manager, its having players that may be good in the English league but most would spectacularly fail in other top leagues. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig. thats an assumption of course- if your talking about england over the last 10 years then players like Rooney, Beckham, Campbell, Lampard, Gerard, Terry, Ferdinand, A Cole in would have found a place in any team at the time. this current lot maybe over hyped but england have had some of the best players in europe in years gone by and its not made a difference to the international results. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, July 22, 2016, 06:24:17 thats an assumption of course- if your talking about england over the last 10 years then players like Rooney, Beckham, Campbell, Lampard, Gerard, Terry, Ferdinand, A Cole in would have found a place in any team at the time. this current lot maybe over hyped but england have had some of the best players in europe in years gone by and its not made a difference to the international results. Most of them would have been total shit in a different league. Beckham did ok. Ferdinand and Campbell may have been ok. Rooney and Gerrard playing in the Spanish or Italian league makes me laugh. We delude ourselves.Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, July 22, 2016, 06:44:57 Most of them would have been total shit in a different league. Beckham did ok. Ferdinand and Campbell may have been ok. Rooney and Gerrard playing in the Spanish or Italian league makes me laugh. We delude ourselves. You think a 2006 Rooney and Gerard would have been shit playing in Spain or Italy? The delusion is yours Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 22, 2016, 08:58:02 Probably not complete toast, but they'd have been far less stand out than they were in our league. It speak loud enough that very few of our players are ever considered for foreign soil. Historically, before the PL came around and confused it with money, attitude was a big part of this - one of our finest players in Des Walker was ruined by the experience. Rush was a non entity abroad. Probably the best two exports we've managed were Hoddle and Waddle - both too maverick to firm up regular starting positions in the England team and described as luxury players in this country during their time. It simply has to be a mental issue, which is developed over many years and I'm not just talking about players, it goes through coaching and the entire structure of our game. An arrogance without effort or application, a lack of focus on gaining more intelligence an unwillingness to accept variation and difference.
In reverse, perfectly average foreign players can forge a career at a high level here, once they've figured out the local approach. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 22, 2016, 09:19:34 (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/jjedmunds/tumblr_lzlg2uelRe1qisegao1_500_zpstexjvtn1.png) (http://s56.photobucket.com/user/jjedmunds/media/tumblr_lzlg2uelRe1qisegao1_500_zpstexjvtn1.png.html)
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, July 22, 2016, 10:27:05 I think Allardyce is a great appointment. I can't see him pushing square pegs in round holes and leaving form players like Drinkwater and Noble at home. He'll also be able to motivate the players one hopes and be able to cut the big-club-passengers out the side.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 22, 2016, 10:54:51 I think Allardyce is a great appointment. I can't see him pushing square pegs in round holes and leaving form players like Drinkwater and Noble at home. He'll also be able to motivate the players one hopes and be able to cut the big-club-passengers out the side. You'd like to think Sam will see the obvious, but a strange malady sems to infect all England managers. You might call it the Sturridge/Sterling syndrome...2 players who had a decent season when playing along Luis Suarez, who is a genuine world class player, but have been moderate since he left, so they're supposed to be wonderful, yet all the evidence suggest not. Managers somehow think they'll be the man to get them back playing properly.....I do fear that Sam may fancy himself for a bit of this. I hope he bins these off, even if it means picking players from the Championship. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: thepeoplesgame on Friday, July 22, 2016, 11:17:29 You'd like to think Sam will see the obvious, but a strange malady sems to infect all England managers. You might call it the Sturridge/Sterling syndrome...2 players who had a decent season when playing along Luis Suarez, who is a genuine world class player, but have been moderate since he left, so they're supposed to be wonderful, yet all the evidence suggest not. Managers somehow think they'll be the man to get them back playing properly.....I do fear that Sam may fancy himself for a bit of this. I hope he bins these off, even if it means picking players from the Championship. To bin off a fit Daniel Sturridge for a Championship player would be insanity, he's one of the few intelligent footballers that we have. It will be interesting to see what Allardyce does with these players, in theory/on paper/insert cliché of choice here this will be the best squad he's ever worked with… Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 22, 2016, 11:28:30 To bin off a fit Daniel Sturridge for a Championship player would be insanity, he's one of the few intelligent footballers that we have. It will be interesting to see what Allardyce does with these players, in theory/on paper/insert cliché of choice here this will be the best squad he's ever worked with… Why insanity?....Wales who got to the semi played Hal Robson Kanu, a Championship player....who performed admirably scoring one of the goals of the tournament. maybe HRK, knew that as he didn't have a club, a good showing would put himself in the window, or maybe he just had a pride in playing for his team/Principality. In your world, put Sturridge in the Wales team and he'd have been better than HRK...in my world all the evidence suggests not. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, July 22, 2016, 11:37:05 Why insanity?....Wales who got to the semi played Hal Robson Kanu, a Championship player....who performed admirably scoring one of the goals of the tournament. maybe HRK, knew that as he didn't have a club, a good showing would put himself in the window, or maybe he just had a pride in playing for his team/Principality. In your world, put Sturridge in the Wales team and he'd have been better than HRK...in my world all the evidence suggests not. Shove Charlie Austin in there and see how he does. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 22, 2016, 11:45:50 Shove Charlie Austin in there and see how he does. Charlie got injured at an inopportune time....remember about a year ago Woy, brought CA and Vardy into the squad, CA looked the better bet.. One thing people say about Vardy is that he's not really that much of different player now then when he played for Fleetwood. He'd never have got capped if still at Highbury. Scotland used to have a similar outlook, take Calderwood and Shearer, both excellent players for Swindon, but could only get picked when moving in Dunc's case to Aberdeen Colin's....Spurs. Now of course the Sweaties have to take anybody, even if like Matt Ritchie never having been to Scotland. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, July 22, 2016, 11:58:54 Charlie got injured at an inopportune time....remember about a year ago Woy, brought CA and Vardy into the squad, CA looked the better bet.. One thing people say about Vardy is that he's not really that much of different player now then when he played for Fleetwood. He'd never have got capped if still at Highbury. Scotland used to have a similar outlook, take Calderwood and Shearer, both excellent players for Swindon, but could only get picked when moving in Dunc's case to Aberdeen Colin's....Spurs. Now of course the Sweaties have to take anybody, even if like Matt Ritchie never having been to Scotland. Born and bred in Gosport, qualifies for Scotland. Standard. That's like the geographical extertise of one Michael Smith. If Charlie has a decent start to the season, I can see him getting in for the next International Break. One thing for sure is that Big Sam will HAVE to change some bits up. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 22, 2016, 12:03:32 Born and bred in Gosport, qualifies for Scotland. Standard. That's like the geographical extertise of one Michael Smith. If Charlie has a decent start to the season, I can see him getting in for the next International Break. One thing for sure is that Big Sam will HAVE to change some bits up. I think we're straight into WC qualifiers....so not much room for being over experimental. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 22, 2016, 12:05:09 I think Vardy and Sturridge are good enough for England...if the manager plays to their fucking strengths not how Woy played them.
You don't experiment in Finals. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, July 22, 2016, 12:11:02 I think we're straight into WC qualifiers....so not much room for being over experimental. I think there's a little bit of movement for the qualifiers, but like JJ says, not in the finals.. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, July 22, 2016, 12:18:28 You'd like to think Sam will see the obvious, but a strange malady sems to infect all England managers. You might call it the Sturridge/Sterling syndrome...2 players who had a decent season when playing along Luis Suarez, who is a genuine world class player, but have been moderate since he left, so they're supposed to be wonderful, yet all the evidence suggest not. Managers somehow think they'll be the man to get them back playing properly.....I do fear that Sam may fancy himself for a bit of this. I hope he bins these off, even if it means picking players from the Championship. Quite. All we want to see is players who want to play. People might belittle his style, and I confess to be someone that ordinarily would. But there is nothing world class or particularly talented about the England squad. Sam has rarely managed squads full of talent and has managed to motivate teams that seem full of wasters into teams that win and over-achieve. In many ways, as a manager who always seems to be saving clubs from relegation, he seems geared for the job, because England aren't challengers, they're like a lazy relegation threatened team with near total disdain for their club. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 22, 2016, 12:19:26 I think there's a little bit of movement for the qualifiers, but like JJ says, not in the finals.. I have no problem with some experimenting against the lower ranked teams in qualifiers and in friendlies but even then you don't make 6 changes you change 1 or 2 players.For the record I would love Charlie in the team he is a natural poacher, something we haven't had for England in years but he would need service, thats not something any England striker had at the euros. I do think that unless Charlie has a great run in the Premiership then chances are he has missed the boat for England, unless big Sam rates him of course. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 22, 2016, 12:20:31 I find myself agreeing with Reg again. Sturridge is "ok", he is most certainly not an intelligent player - he is a very selfish one and is quite often blind to what is going around him within his own team on the pitch. Nothing wrong with a selfish player, in the right position, but he drops too deep.
Sterling, right now, seems like just the next in a long line of players who have their best year in their breakthrough year. Little vision, poor finishing, poor final ball, getting worked out. I hope I'm wrong on that, but the past provides an insight into his future. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, July 22, 2016, 13:50:14 Well I fucking disagree with Reg and his lazy regurgitated stereotypes.
Wales isn't a principality. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/entries/1fa3ef03-d94a-3a3c-a22f-093c74467401 Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 22, 2016, 15:13:53 Well I fucking disagree with Reg and his lazy regurgitated stereotypes. Wales isn't a principality. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/entries/1fa3ef03-d94a-3a3c-a22f-093c74467401 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn7-MsaDq_s Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Friday, July 22, 2016, 17:54:23 Well I fucking disagree with Reg and his lazy regurgitated stereotypes. Wales isn't a principality. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/entries/1fa3ef03-d94a-3a3c-a22f-093c74467401 It bloody winds them up though, which is why I keep saying it is. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: thepeoplesgame on Thursday, August 4, 2016, 10:57:38 I find myself agreeing with Reg again. Sturridge is "ok", he is most certainly not an intelligent player - he is a very selfish one and is quite often blind to what is going around him within his own team on the pitch. Nothing wrong with a selfish player, in the right position, but he drops too deep. Sterling, right now, seems like just the next in a long line of players who have their best year in their breakthrough year. Little vision, poor finishing, poor final ball, getting worked out. I hope I'm wrong on that, but the past provides an insight into his future. Bit late, so apologies, but Sturridge was the only England forward to look for, find and exploit space in and around the box during the entire tournament. In the one half he was allowed to play as a centre forward anyway. Obviously I'd love to see Charlie pull on an England shirt, though, so if we're advocating that Sturridge be dropped for Austin then count me in ;-) Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, August 5, 2016, 10:17:49 Just occurred to me, but wasn't Big Sam rumored to have offered his services for 6 months when we were between managers a few years ago?
Think it was Fitton who said no, something about too much potential media attention. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, August 28, 2016, 21:16:24 So Sam, calls up the failures from the summer for the WC qualifier :( I had hoped for a sign that he might have some players from lower down the pecking order in mind....like Flint and Charlie Austin.
I suppose he thinks if he can let loose his sports psychologists on them they might remember how to kick a ball properly etc. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, August 28, 2016, 21:35:42 Sterling looked less than useless today. Perhaps Pep has had a positive influence on him, a pep talk if you will?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, August 28, 2016, 21:37:46 Luke Shaw is going to be our left back for years so good to have him back fit again. Antonio seems like a decent utility player also.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, August 28, 2016, 23:12:14 So Sam, calls up the failures from the summer for the WC qualifier :( I had hoped for a sign that he might have some players from lower down the pecking order in mind....like Flint and Charlie Austin. I suppose he thinks if he can let loose his sports psychologists on them they might remember how to kick a ball properly etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNERlJLo1no Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, August 29, 2016, 08:11:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNERlJLo1no :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Briliant find. Should get Joe Hart to do the Pep talk. Title: Re: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 29, 2016, 09:47:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNERlJLo1no Wasn't Allardyce embracing all this stuff years before many European managers were anyway..... or was that spin? I remember various interviews about such things when he was at Bolton?Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 29, 2016, 16:46:12 Rumours of Jordan Henderson being made England captain. The meltdown will be glorious.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Batch on Monday, August 29, 2016, 21:51:23 Rumours of Jordan Henderson being made England captain. The meltdown will be glorious. Well, that didn't last long. Rooney it is. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 26, 2016, 21:09:40 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/exclusive-investigation-england-manager-sam-allardyce-for-sale/
One game reign? Nothing massive incriminating in there but all a bit embarrassing isn't it! Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Monday, September 26, 2016, 21:21:59 Oops.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: suttonred on Monday, September 26, 2016, 21:35:18 I bet he's sat in moist underwear, and so he should be. It'll be brushed over, but he should be fired out asap.
Title: Next England Manager Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 06:22:50 ooops indeed. Potentially far more serious than things other England manager(s) have been fired over. if true of course, though it's hard to see a mitigating context to the video footage.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: ghanimah on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 06:39:29 Agree with him about Wembley stadium though. Looks like more to come on other managers as well.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 07:46:31 Sam has been a silly sausage, shortest ever reign for a full time England manager?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 08:39:25 Depressingly, this doesn't surprise me. Shifty.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 08:53:12 Not at all suprising but from my limited scanning of the story its not really sure what he did wrong, in terms of the £400k deal he stated that anything would have to be run pats the FA before it was agreed and in terms of the 3rd party ownership he seems to merely have stated that he knows Agents who are getting round the system (as I suspect most managers do if the FA's and UEFA etc are being their usual diligent selves in managing the rules, especially where 'big' clubs are concerned).
Seriously bad judgment, but then we knew that when he took the poison chalice in the first place... opens the door for Pards though! Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 09:05:04 Agree with him about Wembley stadium though. Looks like more to come on other managers as well. They'll need to publish the stuff on Redknapp as a 52-week partwork, complete with attractive presentation binders :)What gets me about this is he's on a £3m pa deal as England manager and I'd guess his previous managerial stints didn't leave him exactly on the breadline. So why does he even need to go sniffing after another £400k? Stupid, greedy, unnecessary Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 10:34:28 He's drinking wine by the pint.
This is highly commendable, if anything he should get a contract extension. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 11:26:12 So why does he even need to go sniffing after another £400k? Stupid, greedy, unnecessary Unfortunately, whatever money players/managers are on, they want even more, despite most of the country would be happily enough getting £3m a year. And to think Allardyce was the Blackpool manager when we beat them to the Div 3 title in 1996...only to get the sack after failing in the play-offs. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 11:35:23 As I said yesterday football is corrupt from top to bottom. Sam should be sacked for playing Rooney...but please not Pardew.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 11:36:51 Rich people are very greedy. Ive only got 3m a year, might as well grab an extra 400k.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 12:01:33 Sam should be sacked for playing Rooney...but please not Pardew. Fully agree Reg. I think Eddie Howe was looked into. At least Charlie would be guaranteed a game up front. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 12:33:46 And to think Allardyce was the Blackpool manager when we beat them to the Div 3 title in 1996...only to get the sack after failing in the play-offs. I remember Allardyce got the hump when McMahon went out on to the pitch at Bloomfield Road after the game to talk about the promotion with the press. Take it like a man, Sam' was McMahon's response. Possibly the only time I ever liked McMahon. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 12:36:35 I don't think it is finished with Big Sam, it seems there are more revelations to come about other managers.
I'm not sure that the FA have got the balls to sack Big Sam, but it does not surprise me, he is from the Redknapp school of football where he believes in his own hype and getting the Eng job has inflated his ego even bigger than it already was. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 13:23:25 If the FA are consistant, Allardyce will be sacked.
Apparently in the latest allegations, Allardyce complained about the tax system in the UK, claiming HMRC is the 'most corrupt business' in Britain. So it sounds like Sam doesn't like paying tax... Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 13:24:43 They'll need to publish the stuff on Redknapp as a 52-week partwork, complete with attractive presentation binders :) What gets me about this is he's on a £3m pa deal as England manager and I'd guess his previous managerial stints didn't leave him exactly on the breadline. So why does he even need to go sniffing after another £400k? Stupid, greedy, unnecessary Meh, 400k is still a decent wedge. No different to someone earning 30k being offered 4 grand for some side work. You'd still say yes Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 13:31:43 Meh, 400k is still a decent wedge. No different to someone earning 30k being offered 4 grand for some side work. You'd still say yes Except it's nothing like it. You might need 4k if on 30. You shouldn't need 400 if you're on 3 million. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: woolster on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 13:34:49 If the FA are consistant, Allardyce will be sacked. he must make up for it on the VAT he pays on his pints of wine sessions :)Apparently in the latest allegations, Allardyce complained about the tax system in the UK, claiming HMRC is the 'most corrupt business' in Britain. So it sounds like Sam doesn't like paying tax... Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 13:40:21 Meh, 400k is still a decent wedge. No different to someone earning 30k being offered 4 grand for some side work. You'd still say yes Except it's nothing like it. You might need 4k if on 30. You shouldn't need 400 if you're on 3 million. This again.And even if it was, not if put the 30k at risk. Stupid and greedy Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 13:58:00 If the FA are consistant, Allardyce will be sacked. Apparently in the latest allegations, Allardyce complained about the tax system in the UK, claiming HMRC is the 'most corrupt business' in Britain. So it sounds like Sam doesn't like paying tax... He's only taking his lead from the Tory leadership of the country....Cameron was implicated in the Panama thing, before his sad plunge into political obscurity.....but the current Home Secretary is doing her bit, by being a director of Bahama's off shore tax companies. Presumably one of the attractions to the Tory right of Brexit, is the prospect of turning the UK into an offshore tax haven. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 14:16:51 He's only taking his lead from the Tory leadership of the country....Cameron was implicated in the Panama thing, before his sad plunge into political obscurity.....but the current Home Secretary is doing her bit, by being a director of Bahama's off shore tax companies. Presumably one of the attractions to the Tory right of Brexit, is the prospect of turning the UK into an offshore tax haven. :pint: :pint: (Not wine sadly) Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Tails on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 14:19:18 I'm pretty sure I've complained about a lot worse after a pint of wine!
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 15:18:52 The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/sam-allardyces-position-as-england-manager-under-threat-after-te/) is reporting that he's about to be shown the door.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 16:44:23 He can go back to the Sunderland job. Moyes will get the boot shortly.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 18:08:19 3m a year and he still lives in Bolton.
Should be sacked for that alone! Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 18:10:49 3m a year and he still lives in Bolton. Something tells me that his house won't be within the geographic boundaries of Bolton city centre...Should be sacked for that alone! If Allardyce gets the sack, do we end up with Sammy Lee? That'd be hilarious Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 18:13:32 Going by mutual consent
Southgate in charge for the next 4 games :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 18:38:50 He's only taking his lead from the Tory leadership of the country....Cameron was implicated in the Panama thing, before his sad plunge into political obscurity.....but the current Home Secretary is doing her bit, by being a director of Bahama's off shore tax companies. Presumably one of the attractions to the Tory right of Brexit, is the prospect of turning the UK into an offshore tax haven. Surely you mean the ex "new Labour" leadership? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 18:48:37 Sacked!
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 18:55:07 Not many England managers can claim a 100% win ratio. Good going, Sam. You made history.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 18:56:51 Just think...in years from now, when you're struggling for another way to say 'mid 2016', you'll just be able to call it 'The Allardyce Era'. It's so simple, it's brilliant.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: 4D on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 19:19:33 3m a year and he still lives in Bolton. Should be sacked for that alone! I recall trips to Bolton in 1995. Colour instantly drained from the landscape of chimney stacks, we drank in a pub that showed sid the sexist cartoons and the fat slags. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 19:22:33 Eddie Howe must be a shoe in to at least be offered the gig.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 19:41:58 Harry Redknapp, he's got nothing to hide ;)
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 19:52:12 Luke williams i hope.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Mother Brown on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 20:07:58 John Fisher.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 20:38:02 You would have to be fucking mental to take that job.
Limited bunch of decent players to select from, fans who criticise every move you make and a media who launch a witchhunt against you from pretty much day 1 Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: adje on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 21:15:59 I would love it now if they gave it to redknapp,that would be comedy gold
Title: Re: Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 21:22:34 Lovely bit of ironic comedy in the statement from the FA.....
"This is not a decision that was taken lightly but the FA's priority is to protect the wider interests of the game and maintain the highest standards of conduct in football." Title: Re: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 21:23:23 You would have to be fucking mental to take that job. Sounds pretty much like being Town manager to be honest.....Limited bunch of decent players to select from, fans who criticise every move you make and a media who launch a witchhunt against you from pretty much day 1 Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 06:18:50 Haven't The Telegraph got a shit load more stuff on other managers as well?
Clubs involved will do well not to follow the FA's example and get rid. Wonder if Williams has been playing truant . . . Apparently the paper have 8 PL managers it accuses of taking bungs. Lawyers have so far prevented them from spilling names. 8 out of 20 eh . . . Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 07:31:40 Apparently the paper have 8 PL managers it accuses of taking bungs. Lawyers have so far prevented them from spilling names. 8 out of 20 eh . . . No, because it's 8 (or 10, heard both on the radio this morning) current and former PL managers. So only one or two of them might be current.Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 09:10:04 Gareth Southgate's job now if he wants it. He seems like a decent sort, so no skeletons in the cupboard.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 09:24:17 Donald Trump, he's be good at organising walls, heck he could get the opposition to do it for him
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 16:06:58 'Entrapment has won' as opposed to greed or stupidity, Sam?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 16:09:51 He's right in a sense, it was entrapment.
That doesn't make him any less guilty though. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 17:21:08 And apparently Allardyce was given £1m pay-off.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: woolster on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 18:02:56 And apparently Allardyce was given £1m pay-off. this should be in the whats wrong with football thread, fucking piss takeTitle: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 18:10:03 And apparently Allardyce was given £1m pay-off. Gross missconduct surely? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 18:32:58 He's right in a sense, it was entrapment. That doesn't make him any less guilty though. Entrapment would be to induce someone to do something that they otherwise wouldn't have done. If Allardyce could be so easily persuaded to meet total strangers, in a relatively open setting and make the comments that he did do (within weeks of starting his tenure in his "dream job"), I'm pretty sure he would have done exactly the same had the undercover journalists been genuine representatives of a Far East business. The bloke is so full of hubris he genuinely will believe he has been hard done by. The reported £1 million pay-off is totally what's wrong with football and in general, with those at the top of certain professions getting huge pay-offs and can then hide behind non-disclosure agreements. The average working man would face dismissal for "gross misconduct" for comparable actions. Similarly, in my previous job there was a clause in my contract which meant I couldn't take any other remunerated role. The thought process being that my employer wanted me to concentrate all my working efforts on the job they paid me to do whilst also saying that rest was also an important part of performance. Gross misconduct if caught out. So why can't we expect the England football manager, our MPs and CEOs etc to be 100% focussed on their jobs too? They surely get paid enough to warrant it. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 18:43:52 innocent Sam, could have happened to anyone apparently
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1872836/sam-allardyce-sacked-former-england-boss-steve-mcclaren-says-it-could-happen-to-any-of-us/ Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 19:06:15 Personally, I would suggest that HMRC should carry out a thorough tax investigation of Mr Allardyce's affairs, looking for offshore bank accounts and generally checking the flow of his expenditure against his declared income and include money laundering enquiries.
Not saying he has anything to hide - but I feel sure that Sam himself would welcome such an investigation as an opportunity to clear his name re slurs on his character Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 19:27:25 A royal Household worker who took £100,000 in Bribes has just got 5 years for it.
Big Sam was going to take 4 times that amount & gets £1m pay-off. Hard done by Sam, I don't think so. And yes, this does sum up what is wrong with Football, and the greedy money grabbing cunts that are in & around the top of it Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 20:20:36 So then of these managers/clubs that have allegedly taken bungs, I wonder how many will by relegated by two divisions, possibly having it reduced to one on appeal?
No, I don't think so either. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Mother Brown on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 20:27:49 So then of these managers/clubs that have allegedly taken bungs, I wonder how many will by relegated by two divisions, possibly having it reduced to one on appeal? Frecin spot on.No, I don't think so either. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 20:54:30 Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink of QPR is filmed negotiating a £55k fee to work for agency which wanted to sell players to his club. Story up soon
Our latest #football4sale allegations concern Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink at QPR, Tommy Wright of Barnsley and Leeds United's Massimo Cellino Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 20:56:05 Cellino is a shoe-in
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 20:57:42 I do hope Power's not involved. He knows agents and stuff and, well, he's certainly the type to do a spot of 'wheeling and dealing'
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 21:05:06 Massimo Cellino? Strike me down with a feather.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 21:09:43 Oooh lets get JFH in assuming QPR now have to bin him off
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 21:56:59 Bit of a coincidence. This was published 18/09
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 22:34:40 JFH caught on tape saying: "Give me a player"
You're busted mate. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 23:00:17 Massimo Cellino? Strike me down with a feather. Hopefully this will provide the opportunity to do what the League should have done when he first tried to get involved and ban him from English football for good,Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 23:11:27 Hopefully this will provide the opportunity to do what the League should have done when he first tried to get involved and ban him from English football for good, Hang on didn't the football authorities try to ban him, but were over-ruled by the law of the land which states nothing much should get in the way of making a profit, in the same way Franchise were allowed to come into existence. Title: Re: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 07:32:15 Hopefully this will provide the opportunity to do what the League should have done when he first tried to get involved and ban him from English football for good, Admittedly only based upon a scan of the BBC reporting of the story but it seems to suggest that Cellino basically said invest the equivalent of 20% of the yearly transfer budget into the club by buying shares and you will be entitled to 20% of the returns from that part of the business -sounds like seeking more investment rather than any suggestion of third party ownership. Isn't that essentially what anyone does when they invest in a business although admittedly many fans seem to think owners/investors should throw money in and get nothing out?Interesting that despite all their crowing in the story about Premier managers the only people named so far are two known to be slightly dodgy high profiles and then a couple of lower league people, appears the Telegraph subscribe to the FA approach and only really go for the small guys? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 07:44:44 Interesting that despite all their crowing in the story about Premier managers the only people named so far are two known to be slightly dodgy high profiles and then a couple of lower league people, appears the Telegraph subscribe to the FA approach and only really go for the small guys? I think you'll find there's plenty more to come, they're building the story, aren't they spreading it out over 10 days or something? If they go with all the high profile stuff right from the outset, who's going to bother to read about the Barnsely assistant manager on day 10? Title: Next England Manager Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 08:19:02 thing is, I bet there is a fair chance this kind of stuff is ingrained and regularly happened historically across the leagues.
even at stfc: Remember Colin Todd, Kim Heielberg and the crap squad... Didn't PDC originally have a preferred agent (may be wrong). -+--- doesn't make it right, obviously Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 08:21:25 thing is, I bet there is a fair chance this kind of stuff is ingrained and regularly happened historically across the leagues. even at stfc: Remember Colin Todd, Kim Heielberg and the crap squad... Didn't PDC originally have a preferred agent (may be wrong). -+--- doesn't make it right, obviously Phil Spencer is the chap you're thinking of - not Kirsty's one. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 08:25:42 I thought Spencer was acting the clubs agent.
I had a vague memory that the early session dross pdc Spunked money on came from the same guy (not Spencer) I'm probably totally and utterly wrong then... Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 08:27:32 A royal Household worker who took £100,000 in Bribes has just got 5 years for it. Big Sam was going to take 4 times that amount & gets £1m pay-off. What? You do know what a bribe is right? The £400k was for a job he was going to do (public speaking etc) and he said he would have to seek approval from the FA. Hardly the same is it. Not defending the guy's stupidity, but that's a huge (wrong) jump in logic. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 08:43:37 Hang on didn't the football authorities try to ban him, but were over-ruled by the law of the land which states nothing much should get in the way of making a profit, in the same way Franchise were allowed to come into existence. I know, I know but I live in hopeTitle: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 08:44:45 I thought Spencer was acting the clubs agent. Well wasn't that the problem? That he was working both sides of the fence? And that the players he/Di Canio signed up were shit.I had a vague memory that the early session dross pdc Spunked money on came from the same guy (not Spencer) Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:04:03 Seem to remember that Spencer, via one of his associates, said that all of the shit that PDC brought in for his first team were nothing to do with him - Atiku/Risser/Comazzi/Chibbochi/Lanzano/Gabilondo/Esajas etc.
But then, anyone would say that if your name was connected to that list. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:12:09 Seem to remember that Spencer, via one of his associates, said that all of the shit that PDC brought in for his first team were nothing to do with him - Atiku/Risser/Comazzi/Chibbochi/Lanzano/Gabilondo/Esajas etc. But then, anyone would say that if your name was connected to that list. Woah I am not standing for that Chibbochi and Lanzano were class (or at least played like they wanted to be here ;)) Seriously though, from recollection was it one of those two who seemed genuinely gutted to be leaving? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:14:56 Seriously though, from recollection was it one of those two who seemed genuinely gutted to be leaving? I'd imagine they all were, couldn't believe their luck when they landed fat contracts to play in English pro football, rather than Italian pub sides. I'd be gutted under similar circumstancesTitle: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:15:43 I think you'll find there's plenty more to come, they're building the story, aren't they spreading it out over 10 days or something? If they go with all the high profile stuff right from the outset, who's going to bother to read about the Barnsely assistant manager on day 10? Are you saying that Sam Allardyce is not 'high profile' he will be gutted. Looking at the whinging interviews he gave yesterday for someone who was apparently earning £3m a year he seems to live on a very plain housing estate in Bolton. Edit - a quick look on Companies House shows his address, its like somewhere you or I would live. He has had some interesting company directorships over the years! Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Audrey on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:25:36 Whatever happened with that dodgy Spanish kid we had on 'loan' last year. Went off to QPR and then . . .?
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:27:13 I reckon Power tried to find a way to do a deal but left it as it was too dodgy.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:30:02 Whatever happened with that dodgy Spanish kid we had on 'loan' last year. Went off to QPR and then . . .? I've wondered about him....seemed a bit too good to be true, as clubs like Celta produce some very good players. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:50:58 Playing (a bit) in the Segunda with CD Lugo http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/yelko-pino/profil/spieler/217153#ath
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:53:47 Playing (a bit) in the Segunda with CD Lugo http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/yelko-pino/profil/spieler/217153#ath Interesting, so he does exist, all sounded a bit Milan Misun to me. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 09:58:24 I've wondered about him....seemed a bit too good to be true, as clubs like Celta produce some very good players. Now played a game and everything in the Segunda back in Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelko_Pino Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 10:09:57 Now played a game and everything in the Segunda back in Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelko_Pino I don't know a whole lot about the standard of the Segunda, as it's warped by B teams. It is quite common though for clubs coming up, to bin off most of the players that got them up and also the coach, and then pick up a number of players from the relegated clubs.....Alaves this season being a classic example. It would be a higher standard than Div 3, so a lad who couldn't cut it in the Segunda might be OK, but I'd imagine he's a technician and we know what happens to them at our level. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 12:00:05 Are you saying that Sam Allardyce is not 'high profile' he will be gutted. No, but it's a standard arc for a story you're spreading out like this - start with a big splash to get initial interest, but don't play all your best cards right from the off, drop some teasers and save some of the big stuff for a final reveal to keep people's interest. If you shoot your load on Day 1, everything else is then just "And?"Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 12:11:15 That's Tommy Wright sacked then.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Costanza on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 12:16:51 Wright was assistant manager at Chesterfield when we lost at Wembley.
(http://gifoid.com/wp-content/uploads/esmeralda-gif-1.gif) :) It'll be interesting to see how Hasselbaink manages to squirm his way out of this one. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 12:39:26 Wright was assistant manager at Chesterfield when we lost at Wembley. Our cup then.Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: ghanimah on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 13:31:05 No, but it's a standard arc for a story you're spreading out like this - start with a big splash to get initial interest, but don't play all your best cards right from the off, drop some teasers and save some of the big stuff for a final reveal to keep people's interest. If you shoot your load on Day 1, everything else is then just "And?" The same technique they used for the expenses scandal. I imagine a couple of the big ones will come out over the weekend. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Power to people on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 15:39:19 The same technique they used for the expenses scandal. I imagine a couple of the big ones will come out over the weekend. Wasn't it only 5 days of revelations - so they should have shot their load by friday Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 15:57:55 Wasn't it only 5 days of revelations - so they should have shot their load by friday Can we please stop all this talk of load shooting, in the context of a story about Sam Allardyce its all getting a bit disconcerting. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: ghanimah on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 18:03:47 Wasn't it only 5 days of revelations - so they should have shot their load by friday Telegraph probably have to get this over with before Tory conference starts on Sunday... Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: RedRag on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 21:00:10 Fat Sam is a simple man but even he should understand FA Rule 1: "Don't get caught"
To some extent that is a step forward when one looks at some of today's persons being investigated. I recall that Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank himself once blew the lid on illegal payments made to players by Chelsea after a Euro match and ended up being fined himself (a truly paltry amount) "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose" as our French correspondent would say. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 21:22:48 Eric Black the latest to be caught up in this.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Thursday, September 29, 2016, 21:54:23 I was quite happy to give Southgate my support.
Then he made Rooney Captain. I admire what Rooney did for England in his prime, and i love his commitment to the game, but he is clearly 5 years past his sell by date. We are never going to move forward if we keep picking a guy that lives purely on reputation and just cannot deliver anymore. Even Mourinho is coming round. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Ells on Friday, September 30, 2016, 00:35:55 I'm still finding it incredibly difficult to get enraged about Allardyce. He actually did nothing and said himself he was uncomfortable about acting during the conversation/that he'd have to check with the FA.
Mr Wright, ironically, seems far worse.. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, September 30, 2016, 00:50:26 I was quite happy to give Southgate my support. Then he made Rooney Captain. I admire what Rooney did for England in his prime, and i love his commitment to the game, but he is clearly 5 years past his sell by date. We are never going to move forward if we keep picking a guy that lives purely on reputation and just cannot deliver anymore. Even Mourinho is coming round. You come in as caretaker, then you're not going to rock the boat. Allardyce had the chance to do that, (namely get rid of the old guard) but failed. There's no reason why Southgate shouldn't see us through to Russia if we get results in the 3 qualifiers. Germany appointed Loew, an assistant who'd scuffed around a bit. Spain have appointed Lopetgui, U 21 coach who failed given a proper team. Having good players helps...England haven't. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, September 30, 2016, 05:18:29 I'm still finding it incredibly difficult to get enraged about Allardyce. He actually did nothing and said himself he was uncomfortable about acting during the conversation/that he'd have to check with the FA. I must admit, I'm struggling to see what he did to deserve the outrage. He didn't break any rules as far as I can see and, as you say, he said he would have to run it by the FA before agreeing to anything.Mr Wright, ironically, seems far worse.. Someone pointed out earlier that anyone taking the England job must be crazy. The media and fans will be out to get him from day 1 whoever it is (with the possible exception of Golden Bollocks Eddie Howe). Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 30, 2016, 08:55:50 I must admit, I'm struggling to see what he did to deserve the outrage. He didn't break any rules as far as I can see and, as you say, he said he would have to run it by the FA before agreeing to anything. Someone pointed out earlier that anyone taking the England job must be crazy. The media and fans will be out to get him from day 1 whoever it is (with the possible exception of Golden Bollocks Eddie Howe). I am outraged that you are not outraged :D I suspect Eddie Howe would still get the treatment from media and fans, would be interesting to see how the pundits react if he did poorly as they have been blowing smoke up his arse for the last 3 years! See we got another massive name snared today in Eric Black, although I am not altogether sure what he has actually done as the BBC states 'filmed apparently naming staff at other clubs who could be induced to pass on information about players to a company for money.' - so that seems to be either a) whistleblowing or b) admitting that others are corrupt, should they not possibly instead be going after the people he has named? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Flashheart on Friday, September 30, 2016, 08:57:43 I want to see Howe get it. If for no other reason because it could derail Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, September 30, 2016, 09:10:05 I want to see Howe get it. If for no other reason because it could derail Bournemouth. I'm not bitter....but yes...this.Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 30, 2016, 11:45:28 I've more confidence now it seems the police have got involved and asked the Telegraph for the footage before it goes to the FA etc, hopefully those that are hanging and assuming they are guilty will be dealt with correctly rather than just a whitewash.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Friday, September 30, 2016, 14:09:29 I've more confidence now it seems the police have got involved and asked the Telegraph for the footage before it goes to the FA etc, hopefully those that are hanging and assuming they are guilty will be dealt with correctly rather than just a whitewash. Yeah, because the coppers have never been involved in a whitewash have they?Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 30, 2016, 15:27:53 Yeah, because the coppers have never been involved in a whitewash have they? There is that but surely with this being so public then you would hope it will be dealt with correctly Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Friday, September 30, 2016, 15:30:32 There is that but surely with this being so public then you would hope it will be dealt with correctly Hillsborough wasn't exactly hidden away from the public gaze. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Friday, September 30, 2016, 23:30:44 I was a supporter in the "Hillsborough era" and I can categorically state that supporters were never pissed before games, and never had any desire to fight each other.
So in my opinion it was all the fault of the police Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: tans on Sunday, October 2, 2016, 19:28:46 Southgate picks Glen Johnson in his first squad.
Needs investigating. Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, October 2, 2016, 19:50:07 I'm more concerned about Rooney staying as captain. Must be his inspirational leadership against Iceland when he hid.
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, October 2, 2016, 20:53:10 Southgate picks Glen Johnson in his first squad. Needs investigating. "Hmm i need a right back, you know what let's pick someone who's contributing in the worst defence in the league"... good logic Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 3, 2016, 16:42:40 Has the length of Tyson Fury's retirement blitzed Sam's record for short termism? :D :clap:
Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 7, 2016, 09:40:11 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37581097 is this still ongoing? The Telegraph's suggestion that they had a lot more materials seems to have turned into something of an anti-climax?
Whilst we had Allardyce it seems to have been limited to certain assistants and that's about it? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: pauld on Friday, October 7, 2016, 10:02:34 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37581097 is this still ongoing? The Telegraph's suggestion that they had a lot more materials seems to have turned into something of an anti-climax? Hmm, was thinking this the other day. They said they had info on 8-10 current and former PL managers, and trailed that heavily then it all went very quiet at the weekend, which is when you'd expect them to go for a big splash, and since then nothing. Superinjunction maybe?Whilst we had Allardyce it seems to have been limited to certain assistants and that's about it? Title: Re: Next England Manager Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, October 7, 2016, 10:50:37 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37581097 is this still ongoing? The Telegraph's suggestion that they had a lot more materials seems to have turned into something of an anti-climax? Whilst we had Allardyce it seems to have been limited to certain assistants and that's about it? Think that the agent who was supposed to be the source has admitted that he made it all up. Interviewed on SSN the other day. |