Title: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 08:47:07 Here we go again. It seems that Subway stations have been attacked as well as the airport.
Shit's fucked up. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Tails on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 09:23:43 I assume Daesh will be responsible for this. Awful stuff
Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 10:58:18 The Belgium police were warning of a threat to their subway system soon after the Paris attacks...but they still couldn't stop it.
Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:14:52 The Belgium police were warning of a threat to their subway system soon after the Paris attacks...but they still couldn't stop it. Im begining to think that this whole thing cannot be stopped. This whole operation is bigger than people thinks and taking 2 or 3 of the "most wanted" off the street is just a drop in the ocean. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:30:28 Im begining to think that this whole things cannot be stopped. This whole operation is bigger than people thinks and taking 2 or 3 of the "most wanted" off the street is just a drop in the ocean. Your spot on, this can never be stopped. Taking the generals out of action only encourages more to step into the breach. In order to stop the bombs getting through you have to either have stonewall intelligence or stop and search all Muslims, which human rights activists wouldnt allow. There are some westernised Muslims that are disgusted by the attacks by their so called brothers and do not deserve to be associated with them. They are the innocent ones as they will be associated with extremism because of who they are. So do we ; Admit we were wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan pay compensation to the countries affected and disrespect all the service personnel and their famines by doing so. Or, increase our military and intelligence agencies and take the fight to the Daesh? Ultimately i feel for the families of those injured or killed today. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Tails on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:35:33 Im begining to think that this whole things cannot be stopped. This whole operation is bigger than people thinks and taking 2 or 3 of the "most wanted" off the street is just a drop in the ocean. There hasn't been a terrorist attack in the UK in nearly 11 years. I imagine there would have been hundreds planned, so our counter terrorism units are doing something to stop it at least... but you're right, worldwide attacks like these will probably continue for a while. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:36:10 "In order to stop the bombs getting through you have to either have stonewall intelligence or stop and search all Muslims, which human rights activists wouldnt allow. "
How to identify them in the first place? They don't all wear sacks or have silly beards. Many Muslims are white and many Arabs are not Muslim. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:44:42 "In order to stop the bombs getting through you have to either have stonewall intelligence or stop and search all Muslims, which human rights activists wouldnt allow. " How to identify them in the first place? They don't all wear sacks or have silly beards. Many Muslims are white and many Arabs are not Muslim. 99% of them have a common denominator, i agree and understand that you can't truly identity them as such. However intelligence knows who are converts, whether they've been radicalised in prison or at local mosques. We too have moles hence how we know so much. Going back to your point if your Arab looking to some in this country that means you ARE a Muslim which means you ARE a terrorist. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: AldbourneRed on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 12:36:25 99% of them have a common denominator, i agree and understand that you can't truly identity them as such. However intelligence knows who are converts, whether they've been radicalised in prison or at local mosques. We too have moles hence how we know so much. Going back to your point if your Arab looking to some in this country that means you ARE a Muslim which means you ARE a terrorist. Only 20% of Muslims are also Arabs - around a billion Muslims live in Asia and 300 million in Sub-Saharan Africa, with the four largest Muslim populations being in Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. There are also millions of Arabic Christians, so that common denominator might not be so common. The issue, as you rightly point out, is that there is a large proportion of people in 'western' cultures who don't realise this and consider Muslim and Arabic to be the same thing. Unfortunately I don't think there's any way to improve that other than through education. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:31:25 Only 20% of Muslims are also Arabs - around a billion Muslims live in Asia and 300 million in Sub-Saharan Africa, with the four largest Muslim populations being in Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. There are also millions of Arabic Christians, so that common denominator might not be so common. The issue, as you rightly point out, is that there is a large proportion of people in 'western' cultures who don't realise this and consider Muslim and Arabic to be the same thing. Unfortunately I don't think there's any way to improve that other than through education. Well time will tell if there is a common denominator, but from what i can remember the Paris attacks were conducted by a group of extremeists who by and large were all pretty similar! They don't represent Islam they're evil, but unfortunately they will tar all with the same brush. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:36:25 They do represent Islam, they're Islamic. What they do not represent is all Muslims.
Title: Re: Brussels Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:44:10 There will always be conflict in the World, the terrorists just represent hatred. Their lives must be pretty shit and miserable. You can't live in fear just enjoy life, something these twats will never understand.
Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:48:35 They do represent Islam, they're Islamic. What they do not represent is all Muslims. They represent THEIR version of islamTitle: Re: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:54:48 They represent THEIR version of islam Well, yeah, but it all comes from the same book. The extremists follow a particular interpretation of it, as do the moderates. Who's to say one interpretation represents the faith but not the other? Some of it says don't kill, some of it says do kill. Which interpretation of their book is the correct one? (I think they're both wrong, by the way) Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Ells on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 14:13:16 There will always be conflict in the World, the terrorists just represent hatred. Their lives must be pretty shit and miserable. You can't live in fear just enjoy life, something these twats will never understand. They do enjoy life though. That's the problem with any kind of fundamentalism. As far as they're concerned, they're right. It's us who should be looking at our lives, wondering where we went wrong. As far as they're concerned, they are making the world better in the name of Allah right now, or if they don't achieve that they will die, become martyrs and reach heaven. Assuming you're not under that delusion, what's not to love? You're not going to miss the odd wank or glass of Chablis when you're that far gone. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: inept and tiresome on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 15:08:11 I was listening to the biased BBC this morning and the interviewer asked "what is wrong with Belgium?" when the real question should of been, what us wrong with Islam?
Theirs not enough time in the day to answer that beauty. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 15:36:33 There hasn't been a terrorist attack in the UK in nearly 11 years. I imagine there would have been hundreds planned, so our counter terrorism units are doing something to stop it at least... but you're right, worldwide attacks like these will probably continue for a while. Our security/intelligence guys have thrawted numurous potentially deadly attacks over recent years. I guess it's easier to keep an eye on your border controls when you are island as opposed to mainland Europe where these cunts can generally get around a lot easier Title: Re: Brussels Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 16:31:01 is it true that one's head gets blown clean off when letting one go?
Title: Re: Brussels Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 16:31:30 I was listening to the biased BBC this morning and the interviewer asked "what is wrong with Belgium?" when the real question should of been, what us wrong with Islam? Theirs not enough time in the day to answer that beauty. Nothing wrong with Islam. Some of the hatred preachers who use their poisonous version of its teachings to incite murder could do with a bit of 'attention' however. Well, yeah, but it all comes from the same book. The extremists follow a particular interpretation of it, as do the moderates. Who's to say one interpretation represents the faith but not the other? Some of it says don't kill, some of it says do kill. Which interpretation of their book is the correct one? (I think they're both wrong, by the way) As far as I know, the founding writings of most religions encourage a degree of "do unto others before they do it unto you" Title: Re: Brussels Post by: michael on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 16:48:53 I would guess we have already assumed it, but so-called-IS have claimed responsibility for the attacks.
Within a couple of days of that bloke from the Paris attacks being caught too. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 16:55:21 Within a couple of days of that bloke from the Paris attacks being caught too. Looks like they decided to act before getting caught. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Ells on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 16:57:33 Within a couple of days of that bloke from the Paris attacks being caught too. These attacks were surely retaliatory. I can't believe Cameron said he was shocked. I was only shocked they found him in Molenbeek. Hiding in plain sight, really. Still, it's bloody awful. There's been armed guards at every train station I've been to today. It's horrible to think we could be playing into their hands by living in fear. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: michael on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 17:02:48 Quote Looks like they decided to act before getting caught. I think you might be right there. The consensus seems to be that he scarpered instead of carrying out his role in Paris, so I think they'd (probably rightly) assume he would be singing like a canary by now. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 18:19:28 They do represent Islam, they're Islamic. What they do not represent is all Muslims. Blimey, that's splitting haurs isn't it? Title: Re: Brussels Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 18:21:10 Horrible images seeing what's happened, we are lucky we're on an island.
Almost impossible to stop every plot that happens and can only see more things like this happening Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 18:23:31 Blimey, that's splitting haurs isn't it? Not at all, no. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: wokinghamred on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 18:57:10 I had friends standing in the American Airlines queue at Brussels Airport when the bombs went off.
Thank god, they both survived. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 19:05:24 I had friends standing in the American Airlines queue at Brussels Airport when the bombs went off. Thank god, they both survived. Jesus, I hope they aren't too badly hurt. Not sure how mentally you'd square it all even if you are physically OK mind. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 19:05:34 Well, yeah, but it all comes from the same book. The extremists follow a particular interpretation of it, as do the moderates. Who's to say one interpretation represents the faith but not the other? Some of it says don't kill, some of it says do kill. Which interpretation of their book is the correct one? (I think they're both wrong, by the way) True Muslims abhor what these fuckers are playing at, they're the true Islamic faith not these bunch of hill biily fucktards who are just out to ruin all other faiths. The majority of which are thick as ball bearing soup, have they never wondered why those who preach and claim such riches lay ahead have never themselves strapped a vest on, or driven a car into a market Square and detonated? Fucking CUNTS! Title: Re: Brussels Post by: wokinghamred on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 19:14:42 Jesus, I hope they aren't too badly hurt. Not sure how mentally you'd square it all even if you are physically OK mind. That's their annual holiday ruined, and I suspect they won't be flying anywhere for a good while. They hit the deck when the first bomb went off, while other people were running, and a few seconds later the second bomb went off. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:43:29 True Muslims abhor what these fuckers are playing at, they're the true Islamic faith not these bunch of hill biily fucktards who are just out to ruin all other faiths. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:45:33 The Donald Trump factor springs to mind.
It's looking increasingly likely that that might, actually, happen. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 22:19:16 https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman I have not tried to dismiss any criticism in my post, it's all about opinion and my opinion MY OPINION is these wankers do not act in accordance with Islam. Yes they've read the Koran and interpreted as they see fit, but they are not Muslims. They are cunts. Title: Re: Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 22:21:17 What the hell is it with Belgium, spent most of the 20th century being invaded by its neighbours getting their eye in for wider European wars and now seems to have become some sort of hot bed for terrorism - such a pity as its a lovely country....
Oh well supposed to be going over for the Tour of Flanders in a fortnight, we shall see. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Pete on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 22:59:38 What the hell is it with Belgium, spent most of the 20th century being invaded by its neighbours getting their eye in for wider European wars and now seems to have become some sort of hot bed for terrorism - such a pity as its a lovely country.... Oh well supposed to be going over for the Tour of Flanders in a fortnight, we shall see. Heard a rumour that the Belgian cops, army, intelligence etc are a bit of a Keystone Cops arrangement. I expect it's been exaggerated though. Fighting a medieval army must be tough for any country. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: OrangeTransits on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 23:28:07 I am increasingly struggling to co-exist with something that wants to kill me.
Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 00:08:31 You're not going to miss the odd wank or glass of Chablis when you're that far gone. I fucking love you Ells Anyway...this is what happens when you invade other people's territories (countries are a geographical construct) and kill lots of people. You reap the whirlwind Yay! Politicians! Well done! Title: Re: Brussels Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 07:36:36 I fucking love you Ells I'd never have guessed.Anyway...this is what happens when you invade other people's territories (countries are a geographical construct) and kill lots of people. You reap the whirlwind Yay! Politicians! Well done! Title: Re: Brussels Post by: fuzzy on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 08:28:22 Belgium hasn't done a lot in the way of invading.
As for the Belgian Police/ Army/ Security Services, lets just say, those trying to protect us have to be lucky every time. The terrorists only have to be lucky once. How many plots/ attacks/ incidents have been thwarted by The Man in Belgium? I guess we will never know. As for going to the Tour of Flanders, changing your plans means the fuckers have won. Take the trip and stop off at a bar for a glass of finest Trappist beer, downing it with a toast of "Fuck ISIS" Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 08:45:14 Surely intelligence would be a combined effort? Probably a tad unfair to suggest that the Belgian police were lacking.
Title: Re: Brussels Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 09:15:24 Anyway...this is what happens when you invade other people's territories (countries are a geographical construct) and kill lots of people. You reap the whirlwind Yay! Politicians! Well done! These idiots are all over the world and have been acting at various levels and in different countries for years. Why do some people always try and turn the blame onto the west? ::) Title: Re: Brussels Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 11:03:50 I fucking love you Ells Anyway...this is what happens when you invade other people's territories (countries are a geographical construct) and kill lots of people. You reap the whirlwind Yay! Politicians! Well done! Well I never know George Galloway was a town supporter! Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 11:25:00 Isn't Moelenbeek, where the underground bomb went off, primarily a muslim area of Brussels?
Ah it wasn't Molenbeek at all. My bad. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 14:55:42 Quote from: Flashheart Surely intelligence would be a combined effort? Probably a tad unfair to suggest that the Belgian police were lacking. not according to BBC radio 4s expert yesterday.he said generally police don't get information from the Belgian intelligence agencies. he said it's often got third hand from other countries intelligence agencies. whether this was the case recently, or whether the expert really was one we'll have to guess. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 15:45:56 I was listening to Radio 4 this morning as well...and it's not the only media outlet making this point today either. The gist is that Belgium is barely a country at all; rather a collection of loosely connected municipalities held together with bits of string. There is no common Belgian identity or common language; it's all about whether you're Flemish or French-speaking. National institutions barely exist, and agencies in different parts of the country barely talk to each other, let along the agencies in other countries.
Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 15:47:03 Belgium hasn't done a lot in the way of invading. No, of course not.They have never been involved in sending troops to another sovereign country. http://sputniknews.com/world/20120806/175011325.html (http://sputniknews.com/world/20120806/175011325.html) Quote Belgium Begins Afghanistan Troop Withdrawal 11:56 06.08.2012 The first group of Belgian soldiers from a detachment providing security at the Kabul airport has been withdrawn from Afghanistan, Belgian media reported. Twenty-four Belgian soldiers and 10 from Luxemburg, part of the mixed platoon stationed at the airport of Kabul since 2003, have returned home. Belgian soldiers will completely end their mission at the airport by September 30, Belgian broadcaster RTBF reported. It is expected that in September–November 2012, five Belgian platoons, a total of 230 personnel, will leave Afghanistan. By the end of the year Belgium’s troop presence in Afghanistan will be reduced to 360 people from 626. Six Belgian military F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft will be deployed in Afghanistan until the end of 2014, when Afghanistan will take over full control of the country’s security. Earlier Belgian Defense Minister Pieter De Crem said that Belgian soldiers would maintain a presence in Afghanistan for three more years after 2014 in order to help Afghanistan create a national army. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 16:04:57 I was listening to Radio 4 this morning as well...and it's not the only media outlet making this point today either. The gist is that Belgium is barely a country at all; rather a collection of loosely connected municipalities held together with bits of string. There is no common Belgian identity or common language; it's all about whether you're Flemish or French-speaking. National institutions barely exist, and agencies in different parts of the country barely talk to each other, let along the agencies in other countries. Belgium is held together by a love of cycling. Its African Empire when I was a kid, which consisted of The Congo and Rwanda/Burundi, was a byword for how not to do things a tradition set in motion by Leopold II. Think it was the French influence....whose dabblings in Africa are largely the indirect reasons, for the present difficultes. Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 16:05:19 No, of course not.They have never been involved in sending troops to another sovereign country. He did say hasn't done a lot to be fairhttp://sputniknews.com/world/20120806/175011325.html (http://sputniknews.com/world/20120806/175011325.html) Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 17:00:15 Its African Empire when I was a kid, which consisted of The Congo and Rwanda/Burundi, was a byword for how not to do things a tradition set in motion by Leopold II. Think it was the French influence....whose dabblings in Africa are largely the indirect reasons, for the present difficultes. Yep. http://study.com/academy/lesson/history-of-the-belgian-congo-imperialism-genocide-atrocities.html (http://study.com/academy/lesson/history-of-the-belgian-congo-imperialism-genocide-atrocities.html) Quote The Belgian Congo is often cited as one of the most brutal and exploitative colonial regimes in modern history. It stands as an extreme example of the cruelty of European rule in Africa for the sake of economic gain. It is in the recent past and memories are long... Title: Re: Brussels Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 17:04:38 He did say hasn't done a lot to be fair Ok then the Belgians in Iraq? I could go on and on... Quote Belgium decided on 26 September 2014 that it would send six F-16 Fighting Falcons and a number of Lockheed C-130 Hercules cargo planes, supported by 120 pilots and other staff, to support the military effort against ISIL in Iraq. Belgian air forces operate from Shaheed Mwaffaq Air Base located in Jordan. On 5 October, a Belgian F-16 dropped its first bomb on an Islamic State target, east of Baghdad. The contribution towards striking ISIL positions was discontinued on 30 June 2015 due to financial restraints, however 35 military advisors still remain in the country as of November 2015. The withdrawn F-16 aircraft spent six months in Jordan before returning home. |