Title: Is any sport clean? Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, November 9, 2015, 15:13:13 Astonishing revelations this afternoon re Russian athletics.
With the FIFA corruption, cycling and all the sports embracing the term athletics can we believe anything we see. Got to be a chance the 2018 World Cup could be taken away from Russia, too. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: thepeoplesgame on Monday, November 9, 2015, 15:18:44 Dick Pound, who led what was a very specific investigation and was a long-standing thorn in cycling's side, described it as the "tip of the iceberg".
"We don't think Russia is the only country with a doping problem and athletics is not the only sport with a doping problem." Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Leggett on Monday, November 9, 2015, 15:22:39 I'd say curling is pretty clean, what with all the sweeping...
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Bewster on Monday, November 9, 2015, 15:31:17 With all the scandal around the Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes case in Spain and the suspected links to the Spanish national team , Barcelona, Real Madrid and Rafa Nadal I would have to say that this runs very deep and through most sports.
Cycling was just the start. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Nemo on Monday, November 9, 2015, 15:35:08 Any sport with large amounts of money and prestige, I'd be very surprised if it was entirely clean. Something like athletics is an obvious target for doping though as most disciplines require incredibly specialised body shapes and specific muscle groups.
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: pauld on Monday, November 9, 2015, 16:09:17 Astonishing revelations this afternoon re Russian athletics. Really? Was anyone at all, anywhere, actually astonished? Apart from possibly Seb Coe, of course.Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Batch on Monday, November 9, 2015, 16:17:09 I'm going to guess darts may be clean. well of non-recreational drugs anyway.
agree with nemo otherwise. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, November 9, 2015, 16:18:43 I'm not aware of any drug use with Kabaddi.
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: fuzzy on Monday, November 9, 2015, 16:36:46 I'm going to guess darts may be clean. well of non-recreational drugs anyway. agree with nemo otherwise. I think the PED of choice for dartists is Beta Blockers- helps steady their aim. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Batch on Monday, November 9, 2015, 19:14:58 I think the PED of choice for dartists is Beta Blockers- helps steady their aim. Damnit. Title: Re: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 9, 2015, 19:21:31 I think the PED of choice for dartists is Beta Blockers- helps steady their aim. Like Bill Werbeniuk in snooker... Who apparently once drank 76 cans of lager during a match... Not sure if that was performance enhancing... Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, November 9, 2015, 19:37:17 Wonder what country will be next? China, America and Jamaica probably top 3 for me. Would be extremely disinterested in athletics if we are found guilty, wouldn't be surprised though
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, November 9, 2015, 19:39:05 Wonder what country will be next? China, America and Jamaica probably top 3 for me. Jamaica's doping control is non-existant. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: michael on Monday, November 9, 2015, 19:41:48 Wonder what country will be next? China, America and Jamaica probably top 3 for me. Would be extremely disinterested in athletics if we are found guilty, wouldn't be surprised though Why would you be extremely disinterested? Surely you'd like to see an 8 second 100 metre dash, or a boy that can swim faster than a shark? Let them take whatever they want! Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, November 9, 2015, 19:42:59 Astonishing revelations this afternoon re Russian athletics. Got to be a chance the 2018 World Cup could be taken away from Russia, too. If the report is accurate, this goes right up to the top of the Russian government, which is Putin. Take the 2018 World Cup away, which is tainted anyway after Sepp's comments a few weeks ago, it's a slap in the face for Putin. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: EldeneRed on Monday, November 9, 2015, 19:57:00 Bath-house wrestling is exceptionally clean.
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Combe Down on Monday, November 9, 2015, 20:36:00 If the report is accurate, this goes right up to the top of the Russian government, which is Putin. Take the 2018 World Cup away, which is tainted anyway after Sepp's comments a few weeks ago, it's a slap in the face for Putin. What no World Cup for another seven years? :( Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, November 9, 2015, 20:47:48 What no World Cup for another seven years? :( No. There are a few countries that could hold it at short notice without spending billions on new stadia/infrastructure. (England/US/Australia/South Africa/Brazil/Germany to name a few) Title: Re: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Mother Brown on Monday, November 9, 2015, 20:49:17 Like Bill Werbeniuk in snooker... Could have been Hofmeister.(spolling)Who apparently once drank 76 cans of lager during a match... Not sure if that was performance enhancing... Would need that many to get tipsy. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Combe Down on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 07:34:52 Why would you be extremely disinterested? Surely you'd like to see an 8 second 100 metre dash, or a boy that can swim faster than a shark? Let them take whatever they want! I agree. What is the difference between eating a banana before a sporting event for slow release energy or taking another form of a performance enhancer. The ever changing drugs cannot be kept up with by the authorities anyway for testing. Let all performance enhancements be allowed, including prosthetic body parts. That's where we are heading anyway. No kidding. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 07:43:09 I agree. What is the difference between eating a banana before a sporting event for slow release energy or taking another form of a performance enhancer. The ever changing drugs cannot be kept up with by the authorities anyway for testing. Let all performance enhancements be allowed, including prosthetic body parts. That's where we are heading anyway. No kidding. A proper doping programme costs a million plus a year to administer. People would get very bored very quickly when it becomes only those with the finances to enter. Also at what age should people start taking these drugs to get 'talent' (gene-adapted) IDed? Start pumping your 10 year old son full of steroids, growth hormones & epo so he has a chance of making it in sport? The cost of doing it properly mean it can be only done really well when state sponsored (Russia), with the backing of huge corporations (eg. Lance & Nike) or where wages are astronomical (Premier League etc football & top 8 tennis players). Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 07:48:59 Also at what age should people start taking these drugs to get 'talent' (gene-adapted) IDed? Start pumping your 10 year old son full of steroids, growth hormones & epo so he has a chance of making it in sport? And be prepared for him to be dead by 40, just so you could bask in his reflected glory? You (well, not you but michael and co) might say athletes would only be allowed to take "safe" drugs, but then you're right back in the world of imperfect regulation and some athletes choosing to take the risk of being caught out for the sake of gloryTitle: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Combe Down on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 08:24:02 Also at what age should people start taking these drugs to get 'talent' (gene-adapted) IDed? Start pumping your 10 year old son full of steroids, growth hormones & epo so he has a chance of making it in sport? Was that a Freudian clit? I have no intention of pumping anyone's 10 year old son full of anything. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 09:16:13 Kabaddi is drug free
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 09:18:07 Kabaddi is drug free http://www.livekabaddi.com/drug-test-results-world-kabaddi-league-banned-players/Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 09:31:48 http://www.livekabaddi.com/drug-test-results-world-kabaddi-league-banned-players/ :crash: Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: michael on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 11:18:29 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34314851
This recent article about rugger contains a very revealing quote: Quote "There is an equation for performance in top sport: steroids for muscles, growth hormone and cortisone for recovery, EPO for red blood cells and perhaps beta-blockers for concentration," "You simply change the methods and quantities for each sport. You can add in blood transfusions and strong pain killers (e.g. tramadol, although currently legal I believe, but you could argue that their usage in sport is ethically dubious) for recovery, clenbutorol and AICAR for weight loss (whilst maintaining or even increasing strength). Any sports person (Kabaddi participants in particular) would benefit from a bit of extra juice. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 14:09:32 Move on nothing to see here, all sorted now as there is no evidence to support the reports findings! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34773534
Title: Re: Re: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Only Me on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 08:01:20 Like Bill Werbeniuk in snooker... Apparently he needed alcohol to calm his nerves. He used to get a grant / allowance for it as well.Who apparently once drank 76 cans of lager during a match... Not sure if that was performance enhancing... Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 13:21:28 So Sepp has been hospitalised due to stress....
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Ells on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 13:23:44 So Sepp has been hospitalised due to stress.... I wouldn't wish that on anybody. But maybe, are we seeing a conscience?! Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 13:30:01 But maybe, are we seeing a conscience?! No chance. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 13:58:33 I wouldn't wish that on anybody. But maybe, are we seeing a conscience?! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34787547 I think that the fact that he has stated that 'no committee can put me out of the game' suggests that he hasn't felt any pangs yet... Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 17:19:23 Move on nothing to see here, all sorted now as there is no evidence to support the reports findings! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34773534 In fact our system is apparently even worse... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34785562 Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Ells on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 17:38:35 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34787547 I think that the fact that he has stated that 'no committee can put me out of the game' suggests that he hasn't felt any pangs yet... Not out loud maybe :hmmm: but psychopaths don't tend to have nervous breakdowns, generally speaking. Especially at his age. The only thing I can think of is he's either feeling some kind of remorse or he's not done anything wrong. And that leaves only one real option.. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 17:43:03 Not out loud maybe :hmmm: but psychopaths don't tend to have nervous breakdowns, generally speaking. Especially at his age. The only thing I can think of is he's either feeling some kind of remorse or he's not done anything wrong. And that leaves only one real option.. Or c) its all a sham to get off the charge? Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 17:57:15 In fact our system is apparently even worse... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34785562 One can't help but admire the Ruskies in a way. They have a kind of 'we do it our way, so fuck you' kind of attitude that is almost endearing. Title: Re: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 18:00:14 One can't help but admire the Ruskies in a way. They have a kind of 'we do it our way, so fuck you' kind of attitude that is almost endearing. If we didn't say anything or softly encouraged them to do it another way doubtless they would eventually come around. I think it's partly a desire to not be dictated to by anyone. You can kind of respect that.Doesn't make it any less dickish mind you. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 18:11:34 They should just legalise (and encourage) all drug use in sport and see how far we can take it. It'd be far more comical watching strangely fucked up humans push the boundaries with the backing of science.
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Ells on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 18:24:22 They should just legalise (and encourage) all drug use in sport and see how far we can take it. It'd be far more comical watching strangely fucked up humans push the boundaries with the backing of science. I'm with you on that. I'd have actually watched Lance Armstrong and given a shit if he'd been on some dodgy club Es. Or someone on PCP on a toboggan. That's an Olympics I'd watch. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 20:00:11 They should just legalise (and encourage) all drug use in sport and see how far we can take it. It'd be far more comical watching strangely fucked up humans push the boundaries with the backing of science. Could you imagine the lady shot-putters though? They'd all end up looking like men. Oh, hang on!..... Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Combe Down on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 00:50:50 I drink semi-skimmed milk. Am I enhancing my day to day life?
Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 10:27:16 They should just legalise (and encourage) all drug use in sport and see how far we can take it. It'd be far more comical watching strangely fucked up humans push the boundaries with the backing of science. I can see a brilliant superhero-gone-wrong film script coming out of this. Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 10:42:57 They should just legalise (and encourage) all drug use in sport and see how far we can take it. It'd be far more comical watching strangely fucked up humans push the boundaries with the backing of science. I don't know if he has dabbled in PED useage but, German track cyclist Robert Forstemann has some pretty fucked up thighs already...... (http://images-cdn.9gag.com/images/thumbnail-facebook/17367233_1429753333.6522_LyTyME_n.jpg) Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 10:45:51 I don't know if he has dabbled in PED useage but, German track cyclist Robert Forstemann has some pretty fucked up thighs already...... (http://images-cdn.9gag.com/images/thumbnail-facebook/17367233_1429753333.6522_LyTyME_n.jpg) On seeing the photo I thought this may have been incorrectly posted and instead should be in the Confessions thread - possibly a morning after photo? :D Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 10:51:37 I'm going to guess darts may be clean. well of non-recreational drugs anyway. agree with nemo otherwise. Somewhat surprising they get tested for drugs and someone got banned for cocaine use http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/darts/34593161 Title: Re: Is any sport clean? Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 12:09:55 Somewhat surprising they get tested for drugs and someone got banned for cocaine use http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/darts/34593161 I assume its for the calming drugs - beta blockers etc. |