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Title: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: News Monkey on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 06:00:01
THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
           
           



  SO WHAT’S the alternative?

           

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Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 06:18:23
win the game in normal time


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 07:54:08
Don't throw away a game already won by sitting in your hands and doing nothing!


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 09:41:54
Paper, scissors,  stone?

Pick a seat in the bank to aim for? Oh... :-[


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 10:14:06
Not this discussion again!

I like a penalty shoot out. Better if you win mind.


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 11:43:58
I like penalties too. I just don't like people saying they're a lottery :)


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Anteater on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 12:31:23
Always hated penalties as my teams (Town, England) generally lose, but what a feeling it was at Charlton when it went our way.  :)


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: adje on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 17:31:46
I like penalties too. I just don't like people saying they're a lottery :)
totally agree.a lottery is something, the outcome of which,one can have no influence over.if they were to pick random people from the crowd to take them, that would be a lottery?


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 20, 2014, 20:18:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM0zjPZgT1U&feature=player_detailpage


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, February 21, 2014, 09:51:41
Their should be two five minute halfs. You're allowed to make as many subs as you like, including bringing on players already taken off. In the first half, team A has to score as many goals as possible - any goals that Team B scores don't count. In the second half, the roles swap. Whichever team scores the most in their half wins.

It'd be ten minutes of attack v defence and it would be brilliant.


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, February 21, 2014, 10:11:06
All games go to extra time. 15 minutes each way. Prior to the start of the extra time, each team removes one of their players making it 10 on 10. A further player from each side is removed every 5 minutes.


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: blah blah on Friday, February 21, 2014, 11:15:33
I've always thought the ice hockey style shoot out would be a better alternative. Attacker starts with the ball on half way, goalie on his line, attacker has to score 1 on 1 with the goalie. If ball goes out of play or goalie touches it, attacker cant touch it again ie if goalie makes a save, you cant follow up on the rebound, but if goalie gets a hand to it and it goes in it still counts. Would be a real test of skill rather than a hit and hope of a penalty. It might not work, but surely its worth a go in a tin pot competition like the JPT to see if it does


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 21, 2014, 11:45:38
totally agree.a lottery is something, the outcome of which,one can have no influence over.if they were to pick random people from the crowd to take them, that would be a lottery?


It would also be fucking brilliant. I reckon you are onto something here adje. I'd vote for it.


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, February 21, 2014, 11:54:30
I've always thought the ice hockey style shoot out would be a better alternative. Attacker starts with the ball on half way, goalie on his line, attacker has to score 1 on 1 with the goalie. If ball goes out of play or goalie touches it, attacker cant touch it again ie if goalie makes a save, you cant follow up on the rebound, but if goalie gets a hand to it and it goes in it still counts. Would be a real test of skill rather than a hit and hope of a penalty. It might not work, but surely its worth a go in a tin pot competition like the JPT to see if it does
This is basically the same as a penalty in the NHL. I'm sure this was tried in the 70s as a '22 yard shoot out' when Pele & Co were imported into the New York Cosmos and 'soccer' was backed to become a major sport in the US.

Maybe a better way to do the penalty shoot out would be to have the shoot out before the game starts or maybe at 1/2 time? There might be a bot more skill as the players aren't knackered. Also, you wouldn't get both teams playing for the draw afterwards - One team would have to go for it as they know that they will have lost if the penalty shoot out is used to settle the match.

Its all swings and roundabouts. Whatever you do, someone wins and someone loses.


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, February 21, 2014, 12:04:12
I've always thought the ice hockey style shoot out would be a better alternative. Attacker starts with the ball on half way, goalie on his line, attacker has to score 1 on 1 with the goalie. If ball goes out of play or goalie touches it, attacker cant touch it again ie if goalie makes a save, you cant follow up on the rebound, but if goalie gets a hand to it and it goes in it still counts. Would be a real test of skill rather than a hit and hope of a penalty. It might not work, but surely its worth a go in a tin pot competition like the JPT to see if it does
Penalty's shouldn't be hit and hope, and the fact that that's the prevailing attitude in this country (alongside the 'it's a lottery' myth) is largely the reason this nation does so bad at them.

They are an easily mastered skill, and the chances are if you want to win a knock out competition you will likely have to win at least one game on penalties. To leave it to chance is ludicrous.


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, February 21, 2014, 12:19:26
Penalty's shouldn't be hit and hope, and the fact that that's the prevailing attitude in this country (alongside the 'it's a lottery' myth) is largely the reason this nation does so bad at them.

They are an easily mastered skill, and the chances are if you want to win a knock out competition you will likely have to win at least one game on penalties. To leave it to chance is ludicrous.

Couldn't agree more. If you can take the pressure (which would come with consistent penalty practice) and you're able to strike the ball into the top corner, no keeper's saving them.

I can remember a few Ballack and Shearer penalties smashed into the TC where the keeper stood no chance.


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Bewster on Friday, February 21, 2014, 13:15:23
All games go to extra time. 15 minutes each way. Prior to the start of the extra time, each team removes one of their players making it 10 on 10. A further player from each side is removed every 5 minutes.

This gets my vote


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, February 22, 2014, 10:50:47
Maybe a better way to do the penalty shoot out would be to have the shoot out before the game starts or maybe at 1/2 time? There might be a bot more skill as the players aren't knackered. Also, you wouldn't get both teams playing for the draw afterwards - One team would have to go for it as they know that they will have lost if the penalty shoot out is used to settle the match.
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: DV on Saturday, February 22, 2014, 11:09:32
Next goal wins. Play till someone scores...


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Saturday, February 22, 2014, 14:26:09


Maybe a better way to do the penalty shoot out would be to have the shoot out before the game starts or maybe at 1/2 time? There might be a bot more skill as the players aren't knackered. Also, you wouldn't get both teams playing for the draw afterwards - One team would have to go for it as they know that they will have lost if the penalty shoot out is used to settle the match.

Its all swings and roundabouts. Whatever you do, someone wins and someone loses.

I've heard a version of this before, and have to say it's my favourite.


Title: Re: Adver News: THE VIC MORGAN COLUMN: Is there an alternative to penalties?
Post by: No Longer Posh Red on Saturday, February 22, 2014, 14:59:04
Couldn't agree more. If you can take the pressure (which would come with consistent penalty practice) and you're able to strike the ball into the top corner, no keeper's saving them.

I can remember a few Ballack and Shearer penalties smashed into the TC where the keeper stood no chance.

I'm sure I remember some years ago seeing a documentary piece about one of the England Youth teams who were due to play in their Euro Championships. The coach at the time brought in a sports psychiatrist to talk to the team and had them go through some meditation exercises & had them visualise themselves scoring in a penalty shoot out. They did this several times in the build up to the tournament.

The ironic thing was, they won the Final beating the Germans on penalties.

Now it may have just been a huge coincidence, but it does make you think.