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 Now saying that black players should boycott 2018 WC, if authorities do nothing on the racial abuse prevalent in Russia.

Discuss.

All Eastern Bloc countries are inherantly racist, and UEFA/FIFA will never change their attitudes.

That's alright then.

It shouldn't take a player/club/nation boycott to make UEFA/FIFA take action. Sadly, I'm not sure they'll do anything unless something like that happens.

Whilst it was somewhat of a sweeping generalisation he's right in that a couple of organisations aren't going to change people's attititude.

I guess the main threat FIFA could dangle out there in front of the Russians is to take the WC off them unless they starting dealing with the issue. Can't see that happening and everyone will probably just have to get on with it.

But they are quite happy to take action against the English and Polish FA because of the flares at wembley recently.

Pricks.

It's not right. Racism should never be tolerated. But I agree a shift in culture is needed not just a fine/ban from a football authority. It'd be a step in the right direction though.

We've done it as a nation, and not that long ago. Us older members remember the monkey chants and the bananas being thrown on the pitch. It's not wholely gone away, but the overwhelming majority find it wholeheartedly unacceptable. Back then it was more widespread and more ignored.

Until eastern block society catches up it's going to continue.

As long as football governing bodies remain corrupt and full of cunts, problems like racism aren't going to go away, because real change will only happen when people in charge aren't bung-ed up.

Granted it isn't as bad here anymore but if you think racism is no longer in this country, you are mistaken. Until we resolve it here we cannot complain about racism anywhere else.

As for Fifa, they don't care. They just follow the ££££££££

And yet the rights of practising homosexuals in Qatar gets nary a peep. All we hear about re: 2022 is the logistical difficulties in Qatar hosting the event in searing heat. This to me warrants far greater discussion than a few (yet to be proven) monkey chants being directed at a player. Step up to the plate Stephen Fry, or does this not merit your attention, whilst you rally behind the boycott of the upcoming Sochi Winter Olympics. It's all part of an agenda to tar Russia (can I use that word in this context without upsetting sensibilities) as a backward oppressive nation. Weasels like Fry know his paymasters will throw him a nice juicy bone if he takes the Russians to task, just like he rails against Christianity because it's an open target presented to him by his pimps for mockery. There is an agenda at play here.


From Wikipedia-

Prior to 2004, Article 201 of the Penal Code punished sodomy between consenting adults with up to five years imprisonment. Since the 1990s, there have been several reports of this law being enforced against non-citizens.[2]

Since 2004, Article 296 of the current Penal Code (Law 11/2004)[3] stipulate imprisonment between 1 and 3 years for sodomy.

In 1995 an American citizen visiting Qatar was sentenced to six months in prison and 90 lashes for homosexual activity.[4] In the 1990s, Philippine Overseas Employment Administration informed Philippine workers that gay workers were prohibited in Qatar. This was in response to several mass arrests and deportations of Philippine workers in Qatar, for homosexuality.[5]

Qatar's record on LGBT rights became a source of debate again, with gay rights groups criticizing FIFA for choosing to host the event in a country where male homosexuality is illegal.[6] Richard de Mos, a member of the Dutch Parliament for the Freedom Party (PVV), has proposed that the Dutch football team play in pink, instead of the country's national colour, orange, to protest the gay rights situation in Qatar.[7]

In 2013, it was announced that all Gulf Cooperative Countries had agreed to establish some form of, yet unknown, testing in order to ban gay foreigner from entering any of the countries. [2]

So Stephen Fry is a weasel because he dares to stand up to homophobes and homophobia in general?

Are you saying that Russia is not a backwards, oppressive nation?

I'm going to stick my investigative hat on here and venture a guess that when Sub-Saharan footballing nations visit the likes of Egypt, Algeria and Morroco in qualifying matches that they face a constant onslaught of racist abuse. This never gets aired because it threatens to shatter the utter misnomer that racism is the preserve of Europeans. It's rather like the morons who garner front page headlines for spewing racist invective on a tube train against fellow passengers - these rare occurences are treated like it's indicative of non-white people having to run a daily gauntlet of vile abuse. The propelling of these incidents into the mainstream press serves an agenda- obfuscating a rational debate about mass immigration and its pros and cons, corralling people into being shit scared about expressing well grounded opinions about the demographic tumult this nation is confronted with.

It is telling that, and I understand that youtube is replete with such instances, that zealously expressed anti-white sentiment spewed on public transport doesn't result in a campaign to identify the perpetrator.

Seems to me people are conditioned into paying lip service at every given opportunity to multi-culturalism and perpetuating this myth that racism as espoused by white people is rife in the UK, thereby bolstering their credentials as a non-prejudiced individual. It's the new religion.

My point is, Qatar seems to have escaped his homophobic exposing radar. Castigating Russia keeps the pay cheques flowing for Mr Fry.

So not much investigation then... just a guess?

On the second highlighted point are you seriously trying to claim that certain elements of the UK media (I am looking at you Daily Mail) would not cream themselves if they could publish such videos?

Come on then I fancy a good conspiracy... who is paying him for castigating Russia?

Or could it just be that one event is next year whilst the other is not for 9 years, QI doesn't make itself you know.

Sorry I can't help myself.........

Dostoyevsky - you don't half spout some utter total shit !!!

Russia is far less oppressive than the USA and Britain in my opinion.

It is not the Russians that have meddled in the affairs of Middle Eastern and North African nations, resulting in millions dead, and shown such a skewed bias to their Israeli pals whilst giving that shitty country a tacit carte blanche to butcher innocent people. Oppression, in the form of creating a blood-bath scenario in hitherto stable nations, is far more upsetting to me than a handful of knuckle draggers allegedly verbally abusing a footballer. On the back of the latter we are hearing calls for Russia to be ostracised as they prepare to host the World Cup. We need a sense of proportion hear. America deserves censure and boycotting a million times over before Russia, who have proven themselves to be a voice of sanity in the World.

Anyway I am going off topic

Horlock, people like Fry know which side of the bread to butter and smear strawberry jam all over. His remit will be to ridicule people of the Christian faith, and for his own good steer clear of other faiths and he has succeeded in doing that dutifully. Do you ever hear this coward publically lambast Islam for it's virulently homophobic tone. No, rather he'd like to joust with a Reverend in a frock who enjoys a cream tea with his parishioners at the local village fete.

You had a reasonably defensible point until you called Russia a voice of sanity in the world.

Russia is fierecely opposing the Zionist death grip that almost every Western European nation is subject to, and for that reason they are fighting tooth and nail against the re-infiltration of Zionist agents into their society. God knows they suffered enough under the Communist yolk to oppose it vehemently.

That was also the point I realised he was still shot to pieces mentally.

Quite reassuring actually.

I'm certain the Russian top brass look upon us with a mixture of incredulity and pity

Do you know the Saudi's have made implied threats to Russia that if they didn't acquiesce to intervention in Syria that the Saudi's could not give guarantees that the Sochi Winter Olympics will not be hugely disrupted with Wahhabi Chechen acts of terrorism.

Russia is to be admired for their gutsy determination not to be drawn under the cloak of Zionism. Pussy Riot is another hatchet job against Russia that we've been suck-pooped into believing is another demonstration of Russia's aversion to free speech and a manifestation of its oppressive tendencies. Those whores are funded by Zionists, and furthermore agitators like Femen who go topless to "protest" for "womens' rights" are another movement bankrolled by arch Zionists.

What represents a healthy Western society is infact a lie. We have been duped. That's all I have to say.

Shun the Western mass media

Dosser does at times raise some interesting points, but tends to over egg the pudding. The long and not particularly honourable history of Tsarist pogroms against the Jews is worthy of debate...indeed pogrom is a Russian word.

Also worthy of debate, although off topic...is the question of the Arctic 30....presently incarcerated in a Murmansk gulag for peaceful protest about the environmental degradation caused by Gazprom....official sponsor of the Champion's League.

So a) you are not going to let on who these apparent shady paymasters are and b) you are going to draw releigion into it.

Lazy

Pretty sure they've got better things to do than read the TEF.













;)

There is indeed a long tradition of Russian anti-Semitism, which he seems determined to continue. Whether the TEF is a suitable platform for his mad anti-Jewish rantings is another debate. I'd have thought Stormfront would be more to his taste.

It's the NSA and GCHQ that read this, along with your texts and e-mails......the KGB or whatever they're now called read their stuff.  :)

I love the idea that in a bunker up in a siberia some poor russian intelligence officer is presently writing a report on the changing views of town supporters to Cooper......... and cheese!

Is there a market for any of these on the TEF?

    Adygheysky
    Altaysky – a fairly dry hard cheese,[35] similar to Swiss cheese, originating in the Altai region
    Chyorny Altai – a hard cheese similar to cheddar
    Danilovsky
    Dorogobuzhsky – a soft cheese from western Russia
    Dorozhny
    Golandsky
    Gornoaltaysky – a hard, crumbly cheese[36]
    Kostromskoy [37]
    Moale
    Moskovsky – a hard cow's milk cheese, also similar to Swiss
    Medynsky
    Omichka – a slightly sweet, soft processed cheese made of cow's milk
    Pikantny
    Poshekhonsky – a hard cow's milk cheese
    Rossiysky – similar to German Tilsiter (ru:Российский сыр (Russian))
    Sovetsky
    Uglichsky – a hard cheese made of cow's milk
    Yaroslavsky – a hard cow's milk cheese, usually produced in rounds; with a slightly sour taste
    Zakusochny – a soft blue cow's milk cheese

A distinction must be drawn between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. The blurring of the lines is what is truly lazy. The canard of anti-Semitism is a well worn tactic to pull the rug under honest and frank discussion.

Please go away.

Aren't you a mod still? Surely you have it within your power to make him go away? ;)

 At least some people are content with the restraints that bind them. TEF be careful, for that which is abundantly clear must be disavowed in this upside down country, otherwise be prepared to be treated as a pariah.

I can't see that Dosser has done anything here to merit expulsion....SY though  ;)

Have you ever considered other forums that may not treat you as such a pariah? I believe pauld mentioned one earlier in the thread

Or just not being a nutjob?

So can I add c) refusing to answer the question to my list.

You wont tell me who is paying Fry to persue Russia and instead of answering why you drew an anti-christianity issue into it you instead consider to persue a jewish line.

I don't, hence why I said it hasn't wholely gone away. I do however think it's an improving situation, even from 20 years ago.

I don't think you will ever get rid of it totally.

twatsnet?

So... Russia's backwards and twisted attitude towards people of other cultures is the fault of the jews, Stephen Fry and the western media?

He'd have a good point re. the policy of Qatar on homosexuality if it hadn't already been plastered all over the media. Same with Fry, who regularly speaks out against the barbarian nature of all major world religions. Christianity takes the brunt because he lives in a (mostly) Christian country.

Can you put this in your sig?

I think ALL players, black, white or green should boycott the World Cup in those circumstances leaving Russia to win it fair and square with Doss to cheer them on

He has got a bit of a point.

Racism by white people hits the press far more than"other" racism.
I know from working abroad that most other regions (outside Europe) are far more "racially aware" than we are.

I have met people from the middle east who would gladly kill their own daughters if they had a relationship with a black guy.
And this is just one example.

Yaya Toure is from the Ivory Coast. I have not been there, but I have worked in Ghana and Nigeria, and alot of the people there are outrageously racist about anyone who is not from their particular racial group. I would guess the Ivory Coast is similar.

If you start boycotting countries because of racism, then there won't be many countries left that are qualified to hold a World cup.

Just a thought

(can't believe I am agreeing with Dossy)

Received opinion in its politically correct manifestations can produce views that are as inconsistent as purely reactive prejudices.  Who better than Doss to raise the big questions?

On the African continent, which you raise NBR, there is plenty of white guilt trip theory but the Arabs in particular were big slavetraders too.

This topic is about a potential boycott of the World Cup by black players if monkey chanting is effectively tolerated by the authorities.

Do "non black" players get abuse like monkey chants (and not so very long ago banana throwing) because of their colour?  Would we non-blacks put up with an equivalent racism at our place of work if we lived in a predominantly non-white society?

Football abuse is cruel and unfair but this is unacceptable in a truly world game.   

From Amnesty International website

Amnesty International returned from a month-long mission to Ivory Coast with reports of torture, sexual abuse, state-sponsored militia attacks and death in custody from a country still reeling from last year’s presidential power struggle.

I'm not so sure the Ivory Coast should even be in the World cup with a record like that.
I suppose we should say well done though, for being worse that Russia

So why doesn't he follow up on Quatar?

He he problem solved ;D