Title: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: News Monkey on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:00:02 Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future
Swindon's Paul Caddis wants his future resolved with the club, after claiming he has interest from Birmingham and Millwall. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23836019 Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:18:01 What a mess!!
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Shaw Rosso on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:23:05 Just heard the interview. Someone aint telling the truth.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Red Jed on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:30:31 Just heard the interview. Someone aint telling the truth. Caddis is a fucking moaner.Title: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:31:49 Certainly is a mess. Not surprised he's frustrated.
The way I read it the club want a fee. Of course he's worth money, but if I wanted caddis services I'd see Swindon were in a financial need and hold out to see if the situation on a transfer fee changes. At some point we'll have to abandon getting a fee in favour of getting him off the books. Presumably as soon as the transfer Winston slams shut. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:32:14 If he wanted to play that badly he could have signed for Blackpool. Sour Jock cunt.
Title: Re: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:35:50 Caddis is a fucking moaner. what do you expect. He was playing in the championship on the fringes of the Scotland squad. Now he's in the dustbin without so much as a squad number for non footballing reasons. It's not really a surprise he's miffed is it, assuming he's not lying about Millwall or Birmingham wanting to take his contact. To be honest I'd believe him over Jed though he's clearly trying to up the pressure over a move. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:45:33 He is a fucking moaner.
The club accepted a bid for him from Blackpool. That he didn't sign for them was HIS decision yet now he is trying to blame his situation on others. Did Jed make him refuse the contract from Blackpool? Fuck you Caddis, you whinging tool. Title: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:49:19 Yeah because we'd all sign a contract that possiblu made us worse off in a shithole town with better options available on loan.
Club loaned him out then have told him they don't want him, he owes them nothing. Particularly not signing the first contract that comes along. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 07:54:19 But he was still given the option and was allowed the move by STFC. STFC did not prevent a move to Blackpool, Caddis did, so why the fuck is he blaming others for a decision that HE made?
Title: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 08:01:41 Are you genuinely under the impression he owes the club something?
Here you go, go to Blackpool , it's a bit shit and you will (allegedly) be paid less. Least we could do.. If there is a way out that is better for him then why wouldn't he complain? Whats Jed going to do, not play him. Nothing Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 08:02:33 He's blaming Jed for everything - jumping on the bandwagon springs to mind!! But who was chairman when he decided to he couldn't play for STFC last season and was loaned out to Brum? Two sides to every story!! I think Bob's Orange first comment summed it all up.
Title: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 08:08:18 Are you genuinely under the impression he owes the club something? Where did I say that? I'm saying that Paul Caddis could have been playing for another club right now and was given the opportunity by STFC to do so. The fact that he isn't at Blackpool is because HE chose not to. I'm not necessarily criticising him for not signing the contract with Blackpool, that's entirely up to him. What I am criticising him for is now blaming the club for his situation when it was HIM that chose not to go ahead with a move. He made his decision so he should live with it instead of blaming every other cunt. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 08:22:28 I used to like Paul Caddis but now he seems to be a greedy whining cunt.
He must be on a hefty appearance fee for him not to play. Maybe it was a work around the salary cap. I would still let him go on a free to release his wages. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Stegenfreud on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 08:32:31 Player in talking to media in attempt to push a move through shocker. Not sure why such vitriol from some on here, he'll be gone soon enough.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 08:36:13 Sooooooo....
He rejected a move after the club accepted an offer, yet seems to think the club is blocking a move away? That does not make sense. What makes sense is that the club would wait until the transfer window closes before considering sending him on loan. If no offers of cash come in, then I'd presume they'd begin considering loan options. He himself mentions they are loan deals in the offing. It's not difficult to understand. Don't blame the lad for wanting to move on given last summers issues, but he can't really expect the club to wash it's hands of trying to get some money for him. If playing was the main priority for him, he'd have gone to Blackpool. Clearly he wants to ensure a certain level of income, and so do the club. Shut up and see it out or take the Blackpool offer. Title: Re: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 10:03:47 Player in talking to media in attempt to push a move through shocker. Not sure why such vitriol from some on here, he'll be gone soon enough. Indeed. A come and get me plea aimed at Birmingham and Millwall.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: No Longer Posh Red on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 10:13:27 I would suggest he will refuse to go anywhere before the transfer window slams shut.
Thus forcing us to loan or release him if we want to get him off the wage bill. If that was the case I would loan him to Supermarine :) Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 10:15:50 Greedy whiny jock cunt. Fuck off.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 10:21:15 If he genuinely wanted to play for us again he could have taken a leaf out of Ward's book.
Renegotiate his contract with us so both sides are happy and carry on playing. If he plays well, as he has done, a move will soon come along. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 10:27:00 Don't sign a contract on big money (for this level) at a league one club if you want to play in the Championship. No sympathy, fuck off Cadds!
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 10:41:52 Us refusing 125k from Birmingham seems a silly decision now.
Sounds like no clubs are going to pay a fee for him now and why would they if they can take him on a season long loan before his contract expires. Still lots of grey areas, with contract issues, appearance fees etc that we probably will never know about, but if Caddis wanted to play in the Championship, why didn't he sign for Blackpool when we accepted the bid? Perhaps he wants to stay nearer to Swindon for his family or whatever but he hasn't really helped himself by saying he has ambitions to play Championship football and then turning down the offer. Lets just loan him to Birmingham or Millwall if they are still interested and be done with the whole sorry state of affairs Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 10:55:12 But he was still given the option and was allowed the move by STFC. STFC did not prevent a move to Blackpool, Caddis did, so why the fuck is he blaming others for a decision that HE made? Sorry but im with Flasheart on this. Same as being unhappy in your job but turning down a move because it doesnt tick all the boxes. Tough shit then.....sit it out. All in all its a shame.....on the basis that PDC fucked him off. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 11:13:10 I heard towards the end of last season that Caddis' agent told the club that the only way he'll play for Swindon again is if we got promoted to the the Championship.
He's touting for a move, but only on his terms. Title: Re: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 11:26:04 It's not really a surprise he's miffed is it, assuming he's not lying about Millwall or Birmingham wanting to take his contact. To be honest I'd believe him over Jed though he's clearly trying to up the pressure over a move. Why should we let Millwall or Birmingham just take over his contract? And why is it unfair on him that Jed won't accept it? What about a transfer fee as well?Title: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 11:58:02 I can see the club want a transfer fee. I can see he is worth a transfer fee. I just don't think he's being a cunt trying to get the hell out of a shit situation that the club has largely brought on itself (IMHO).
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:09:46 I can see the club want a transfer fee. I can see he is worth a transfer fee. I just don't think he's being a cunt trying to get the hell out of a shit situation that the club has largely brought on itself (IMHO). The background to all of this is once again boils down to Paolo and what appeared to be his inability to get on with his captains. Not sure how you can blame the club, they tried to solve the problem by loaning him with an agreement to sell to Birmingham which went tits up through no fault of their own. It now appears that he is stuck here as no club will pay a fee and match the salary he is getting here. If anything this is just firther illustration of the scary processes that were happening under the old regime and I do think its a little rich to see people blaming the club in its current format for this. I assume there will be equaly understanding should Millwall kindly agree to match Foderinghams terms to take his off our hands for nothing. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:14:07 I can see the club want a transfer fee. I can see he is worth a transfer fee. I just don't think he's being a cunt trying to get the hell out of a shit situation that the club has largely brought on itself (IMHO). Maybe so, but not the current lot.Caddis comes across as a whiner in the interview. He claims he hasn't asked to leave but also says he wants to play in the Championship.......which, considering we aren't in the Championship, is saying the same thing. He also says there has been interest (apart from Blackpool which he admits to having turned down) "because Millwall and Birmingham have offered to take over his contract". But none have offered a transfer fee so I don't see where Jed is being dishonest. The only real offer worth considering has been from Blackpool. He could have taken the same route as Ward and become a hero all round.......I don't blame him for not doing it because he has a family but he didn't have to start whining about his situation to try to make himself look better. In the long term it could do him more damage than good and he might regret not re-negotiating with Swindon or accepting the Blackpool offer, especially if he has to spend a year on the sidemines. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:29:48 Maybe so, but not the current lot. Ward has been offered a route into coaching - thats the quid pro pro. Caddis comes across as a whiner in the interview. He claims he hasn't asked to leave but also says he wants to play in the Championship.......which, considering we aren't in the Championship, is saying the same thing. He also says there has been interest (apart from Blackpool which he admits to having turned down) "because Millwall and Birmingham have offered to take over his contract". But none have offered a transfer fee so I don't see where Jed is being dishonest. The only real offer worth considering has been from Blackpool. He could have taken the same route as Ward and become a hero all round.......I don't blame him for not doing it because he has a family but he didn't have to start whining about his situation to try to make himself look better. In the long term it could do him more damage than good and he might regret not re-negotiating with Swindon or accepting the Blackpool offer, especially if he has to spend a year on the sidemines. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: swindont on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:51:28 I'm failing to understand some of the responses on this topic..
Caddis played championship football last year and excelled, I went to university near Birmingham last year, and lived with Brummy season ticket holders and they said Caddis was arguably there best player last year. He has come back expecting a move back to Birmingham which wasnt possible. He has since come out and said that he will still play and give his all for Swindon if allowed to play! So why not play him?? If his wages are too high that sure look to sell him, but while your still paying these high wages use the man! He is without doubt the best right back in league one. He played all of preseason untill KMac went, since then hasnt been involved. Seems abit fishy to me. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 17:12:09 I'm failing to understand some of the responses on this topic.. Caddis played championship football last year and excelled, I went to university near Birmingham last year, and lived with Brummy season ticket holders and they said Caddis was arguably there best player last year. He has come back expecting a move back to Birmingham which wasnt possible. He has since come out and said that he will still play and give his all for Swindon if allowed to play! So why not play him?? If his wages are too high that sure look to sell him, but while your still paying these high wages use the man! He is without doubt the best right back in league one. He played all of preseason untill KMac went, since then hasnt been involved. Seems abit fishy to me. The point, as i understand it, is we don't have to pay him high wages until he plays - by playing him we trigger the higher wages built into his contract extension... We can probably just about afford his 'old' wages so its an impass that can only be resolved by him moving on... My guess is that his 'old' wages are higher than any club thinks he's worth, hence the problem... Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 17:28:44 The point, as i understand it, is we don't have to pay him high wages until he plays - by playing him we trigger the higher wages built into his contract extension... We can probably just about afford his 'old' wages so its an impass that can only be resolved by him moving on... My guess is that his 'old' wages are higher than any club thinks he's worth, hence the problem... To be fair, that is speculation right? I don't think anyone knows the true contractual situation. Why would there be a hefty appearance bonus over basic salary? I doubt a non-injury prone player would agree to this for the very reason that they wouldn't be paid as much if injured / banned / dropped etc. The worst thing about the whole affair is that we once had a player that could have fetched £300k. And we'll end up letting him go for free. When you have no money, that's not good business. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 17:38:49 I'm failing to understand some of the responses on this topic.. Caddis played championship football last year and excelled, I went to university near Birmingham last year, and lived with Brummy season ticket holders and they said Caddis was arguably there best player last year. He has come back expecting a move back to Birmingham which wasnt possible. He has since come out and said that he will still play and give his all for Swindon if allowed to play! So why not play him?? If his wages are too high that sure look to sell him, but while your still paying these high wages use the man! He is without doubt the best right back in league one. He played all of preseason untill KMac went, since then hasnt been involved. Seems abit fishy to me. If you want to sell him and he plays 10 minutes of a match before breaking his leg, you look a bit stupid. Pretty hard to tell who is at fault here. The way I see it, nobody really is. The club and the player want different things and until it's resolved everybody loses. If he's not sold before the window closes (sorry, slams shut) then I'd like to see him back in the team. Unless somebody makes a decent loan offer, taking on all of his wages and possibly paying a fee. Title: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 18:10:49 OK. Not heard the interview. Basing my comments on advert article.
I think we can all agree getting shot quickly is the best thing now. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 18:38:19 Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA 5m
McCrory told me earlier that he asked Caddis to come back and play for #stfc in League One play-offs last season, but Caddis declined. Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA 4m McCrory also stated that it would be "naive" of the club to let Caddis move on for free at this point in time... Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA 4m He said: "“If I rang up Lionel Messi and said ‘can you tell Barcelona you don’t want to play for them, don’t worry about the sale price... Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA 5m McCrory: "we’ll cover your wages’, I don’t think Barcelona would do that. It would be very naïve of a club like ours to let someone like... Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA 4m McCrory: "Paul Caddis go for nothing so he could have a nice signing-on fee and salary going forward." Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA 3m McCrory stressed to me that he had not received a formal approach from Birmingham and Millwall over course of off-season for Caddis. #stfc Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA 3m So, at the end of it all, someone's lying. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 19:38:24 To be fair, that is speculation right? I don't think anyone knows the true contractual situation. Why would there be a hefty appearance bonus over basic salary? I doubt a non-injury prone player would agree to this for the very reason that they wouldn't be paid as much if injured / banned / dropped etc. The worst thing about the whole affair is that we once had a player that could have fetched £300k. And we'll end up letting him go for free. When you have no money, that's not good business. Who offered £300k? He's only worth £300k if someone offers it.... Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: penhillbilly on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 19:42:36 At the moment he's worth fuck all,not playing,not many clubs gonna take a gamble on him i think, a shit situation for all concerned.. >:(
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 19:46:55 listening to the interview on the radio now, his attempts to "clear things up" have just made things even more confusing frankly
hardly going to resolve the issue and what exactly are these comments from Jed on Twitter? Are they the comments made a few weeks back when Jed thought he was talking to Caddis on Twitter? If so it's a bit of a pointless response Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 19:51:11 I get the impression Caddis is easily led by his agent.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 19:51:54 I get the impression Caddis is easily led by his agent. :nod: Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Barnard on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 19:52:54 I actually believe McCrory's version of events over Caddis'. I wasn't expecting that.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 19:59:33 It seems to me it's a case of Caddis assuming he would be snapped up - probably by Birmingham - and he's now realised it backfired on him so he's trying to force the club to give him away for nothing. The thing is, he probably wouldn't get in the current team now anyway, not the way Thompson's playing.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 20:00:09 I actually believe McCrory's version of events over Caddis'. I wasn't expecting that. This. I struggle to believe most of what Jed says, but strangely i'm leaning 70-30 towards believing Jed's story. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 20:00:41 he probably wouldn't get in the current team now anyway, not the way Thompson's playing. And Byrne Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 20:13:58 I actually believe McCrory's version of events over Caddis'. I wasn't expecting that. So do I or maybe they're both lying. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 20:17:00 Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 22:47:39 Mr Morshead - someone is lying about what specifically? I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to?
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 22:53:04 Mr Morshead - someone is lying about what specifically? I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to? Well Caddis is saying he hasn't asked to leave, but the chairman has blocked moves to clubs who have come in for him... Jed is saying he's not received and offers and that Caddis sees his future elsewhere (in The Championship) I'd love him to join Millwall....them go down, us go up....that would be PERFECT... Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 08:22:00 I think the fact that Caddis refused to play for us in the play offs last season after he was asked to by STFC says it all. Caddis does not want to be at Swindon or play for Swindon so he can fuck off for all I care.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 08:26:07 I can't wait for him to fuck off..this is just more ammo for fans to use unfairly against Mcrory and the board.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 09:01:56 This needs to be sorted and quickly. Whoever is to blame, the situation is now completely ridiculous. I'm not sure how some people are so certain that specific things have happened/been said either? It's effectively Caddis word against McCrory and I would suspect that both of them are embellishing the truth in some way to make the other look at fault.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 09:18:02 I think the fact that Caddis refused to play for us in the play offs last season after he was asked to by STFC says it all. Caddis does not want to be at Swindon or play for Swindon so he can fuck off for all I care. I maybe wrong but wasn't Caddis ineligble for the play offs as part of the loan agreement. I know Benson was, but I seem to recall something about Caddis not being able to play. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 09:49:02 I think the fact that Caddis refused to play for us in the play offs last season after he was asked to by STFC says it all. It might do if it was an established fact. But it's not is it? Isn't it just McCrory's claim that this is the case? i.e. Caddis' word against McCrory's and likely neither of them telling the truth.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 09:55:34 It'd probably be in the interest of all involved parties if nothing was communicated until a deal is completed.
We all know why Caddis is not playing and judging by comments on here we're not missing him at present. It makes sense to wait until the end of the transfer window to see if anyone will pay a fee for him and only after it slams shut will we settle for a loan deal. I can't see the club having refused any offers from Birmingham/Millwall unless they were extremely derisory and not at all in our favour. The club have shown a clear willingness to get players off the books, so what possible reason would they have to keep an unhappy and overpaid Caddis out of spite? Anyway, I thought the sale of Wes was imminent according to 'fredi' so that may mean we can afford Caddis again? Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 09:57:45 It'd probably be in the interest of all involved parties if nothing was communicated until a deal is completed. Totally agree. Wish McCrory could learn to STFU whether it's in Twitter or in the press. If Caddis then wants to go to the press, let him, it'll just look like whinging while the club maintain a dignified silence. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 10:03:31 Totally agree. Wish McCrory could learn to STFU whether it's in Twitter or in the press. If Caddis then wants to go to the press, let him, it'll just look like whinging while the club maintain a dignified silence. The timing of the whole thing is very bizarre though, Caddis was essentially responding to some dumb comments Jed made on Twitter weeks ago. Jed points out Robbie Savage's piece on the BBC last week and it looks as though Caddis or his agent took it a bit too seriously.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 10:09:01 The timing of the whole thing is very bizarre though, Caddis was essentially responding to some dumb comments Jed made on Twitter weeks ago. Jed points out Robbie Savage's piece on the BBC last week and it looks as though Caddis or his agent took it a bit too seriously. Suspect the timing is more due to transfer window being about to "Slam Shut". But whatever the motivation, if Caddis/his agent decided to go public to try and force the club's hand, there's no need for McCrory to respond. Just drags him and so the club into a "he said/she said" spat. Lacks class.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: dporter on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 10:30:34 It seems McCrory can't win either way. He gets critcised for not communicating enough and then criticised for communicating too much! Hopefully our new PR woman can give him some advice/coaching so that what he does say comes across a bit more professionally in the future.
On the Caddis front I can understand his frustration especially as the transfer window's about to close but maybe he should be a bit more realistic about what he can expect wages wise. Surely the fact there's not loads of clubs fighting to sign him should be a hint that he's maybe slightly over-estimated his own worth! Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 10:35:17 It seems McCrory can't win either way. He gets critcised for not communicating enough and then criticised for communicating too much! And there's a time to do both. Which was my point. But you knew that.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: dporter on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 10:47:50 And there's a time to do both. Which was my point. But you knew that. I did which is why I suggested he may need some PR coaching! Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 10:53:36 I did which is why I suggested he may need some PR coaching! Fair enough. Or they could just print this out and pin it above his desk(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/8/88/STFU-WW2-4Words.jpg) Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: DRS on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 11:10:51 And there's a time to do both. Which was my point. But you knew that. Do you not think this warrants a response thenTitle: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 11:16:17 Do you not think this warrants a response then If Caddis then wants to go to the press, let him, it'll just look like whinging while the club maintain a dignified silence. But whatever the motivation, if Caddis/his agent decided to go public to try and force the club's hand, there's no need for McCrory to respond. Just drags him and so the club into a "he said/she said" spat. Lacks class. Apparently not.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 13:05:20 I think the point Drs is getting at is the usual damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Imo Jed needed to say something about this.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 14:45:02 I think the point Drs is getting at is the usual damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Well if he is, I'd already said that IMO that's just silly - it's not a flat black or white choice between "say absolutely nothing at all on any topic" or "spout off about anything and everything" which damned if he does, damned if he doesn't implies. There' such a thing as judicious communication.Although to be fair, the overall situation isn't McCrory's fault at all, it's just another mess he inherited from Di Canio being allowed to run riot. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 15:13:01 I think the point Drs is getting at is the usual damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Imo Jed needed to say something about this. I would agree but I think the Jedders train has left for many and whatever he says is going to get peoples back up. No doubt it would have become 'fact' that everything that Caddis said was true if Jed hadn't responded. The sad thing with the Caddis thing is that we have got a player who is putting out media stories that he is desparate to leave and thinks that the club should roll over an accept all his demands and be prepared to lose cash to let him go. If this didn't involve the current board everyone would be up in arms that is 'player power gone mad' and that we should let him rot, but there seems to be some sympathy to Caddis which I can only ascribe to the fact that its another rock to hit Jed with. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 15:17:25 there seems to be some sympathy to Caddis which I can only ascribe to the fact that its another rock to hit Jed with I think actually there's still a bit of residual sympathy for Caddis from the way he was initially bombed out by Di Canio and the way the then board allowed that to happen. Nothing to do with McCrory, although personally I don't find either party very credible.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 15:24:52 I think actually there's still a bit of residual sympathy for Caddis from the way he was initially bombed out by Di Canio and the way the then board allowed that to happen. Nothing to do with McCrory, although personally I don't find either party very credible. I would have agreed with you prior to this blowing up but I am wondering whether Caddis disappeared up his own arse (possibly at the encouragement of his Agent) and this clashed heavily with Di Canio whose need to be the only top man at the club made an argument inevitable. In terms of the board letting it happen, as subsequent evidence has suggested, if Paolo had told Wray to do anything he would have done (and paid) for it. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 15:39:04 I would have agreed with you prior to this blowing up but I am wondering whether Caddis disappeared up his own arse (possibly at the encouragement of his Agent) and this clashed heavily with Di Canio whose need to be the only top man at the club made an argument inevitable. I'd read it rather more as he's been blown out by the club, sent out on loan, told he's not wanted etc etc and he's long since made his mind up he wants to leave as a result. But the club he settled into and wanted to move to had their finances blow up and now can't afford him. In the meantime, we get a new board and manager(s) who understandably haven't had an argument with him and so don't see why he can't play for them now. But that ship's long since sailed and the player just wants out to start afresh somewhere else while keeping what was probably a very lucrative pay deal which he's struggling to find on offer anywhere else. So he's agitating for a move but it's as much his own demands that are blocking it as anything. But the seed of the problem lies with Di Canio's very expensive hiring and firing on a whim and Wray's pandering to it.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: wiggy on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 17:09:18 I think the point Drs is getting at is the usual damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Imo Jed needed to say something about this. He did, and I actually think he comes across quite well on this. It's an inherited situation, and he has to protect the clubs position. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 18:47:56 I agree. Of course he had to respond, otherwise everyone would be slating him for his lack of communication and they'd be believing everything Caddis said. I certainly don't see why Jed "lacks class". He was asked a question by an interviewer and answered it - he didn't have a go at Caddis but simply denied that any offers had been made from Millwall or Birmingham and clarified the situation. Basically, what every Swindon fan has been wanting him to do for the last few months......
I'd like him, now though, to clarify why MacDonald left as well. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: bassett boy on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 08:18:33 I do not normally comment on players leaving as the only people that remain are the supporters
Caddis does not want to be here ok i understand that Jed was correct to speak out Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 11:41:34 For me it's clear Caddis is the one bullshitting. He could have gone to Blackpool but chose not to. So he can moan all he wants but it's his fault he's still here.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Loobug on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:02:53 I suspect Jed will be at Swindon longer than Caddis. So, as much as Caddis was good for us two seasons back we need to get behind the team that are here for the duration. It doesn't really matter who's telling porkies, (they both have done and probalby will again at some point). I won't blame Caddis for leaving or for wanting to keep his existing salary, the same as I wouldn't blame Jed for not playing him if it breaks the budget. I wonder how many of us would take a pay cut and do extra work (after becoming a Dad too...)
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:13:06 I suspect Jed will be at Swindon longer than Caddis. So, as much as Caddis was good for us two seasons back we need to get behind the team that are here for the duration. It doesn't really matter who's telling porkies, (they both have done and probalby will again at some point). I won't blame Caddis for leaving or for wanting to keep his existing salary, the same as I wouldn't blame Jed for not playing him if it breaks the budget. I wonder how many of us would take a pay cut and do extra work (after becoming a Dad too...) Fair enough but being a footballer is not like a "normal job" plus I doubt Blackpool were offering a salary so small that Caddis, his Mrs and new sprog couldn't afford to live on it. The way I see it is that he's trying to instigate a move to Brum. This is where he's wanted to go all along but Brum are skint at the moment and they don't want to pay the fee we're after. Going to the press was his way of trying to force through a move. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:14:42 If Birmingham can't afford the fee then they can't afford his wages.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:19:33 If Birmingham can't afford the fee then they can't afford his wages. I'm sure both Birmingham and Blackpool could afford his wages if they really wanted to. They obviously don't think he's worth it though. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:24:37 I'm sure both Birmingham and Blackpool could afford his wages if they really wanted to. They obviously don't think he's worth it though. Blackpool yes, but Birmingham are in bad times financially and have to cut wages drastically.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:26:35 Blackpool yes, but Birmingham are in bad times financially and have to cut wages drastically. Suspect you may be right Pete. They'll be a lot better off once Zigic's massive contract comes to an end this summer though. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:32:13 Suspect you may be right Pete. They'll be a lot better off once Zigic's massive contract comes to an end this summer though. According to their forum he is the main problem with their wage structure currently as he is on £45k+ per week, thats why they got rid of King this week as his wages were massive also (rumoured to be £25-30k).Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:36:15 According to their forum he is the main problem with their wage structure currently as he is on £45k+ per week, thats why they got rid of King this week as his wages were massive also. Yeah, that's ridiculous money. They're suffering in a similar way to us in that the contract was signed under the previous owner. The King one is strange in that apparently it was mutual so Birmingham must have had to give him a pretty decent pay off (not that he was on anything like the sort of money Zigic is on). Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:41:53 http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1485884/birmingham-pay-zigic-L4-million-next-year?cc=5739
Quote Cash-strapped Birmingham City, who are having to sell their prized assets, will be forced to pay striker Nikola Zigic almost £4 million next year, a source has told ESPN. Zigic, 32, has a back-loaded contract with the Championship club that contains an automatic pay rise every season. The source said his wages would go up to £75,000 a week for the final year of his deal. Birmingham have accepted that they cannot sell Zigic, a £6 million signing from Valencia in 2010, because no one else would be willing to pay his salary. The Serbia international has always insisted he is happy to stay in the Midlands. But the 2011 League Cup winners, who were relegated from the Premier League that season, have been forced to let some of their key players go for less than the amount remaining on Zigic's contract in order to raise funds. Defender Curtis Davies was sold to Hull for £2.25 million this week, and Blues have accepted offers of £3 million for England Under-21 winger Nathan Redmond - once tipped to be a £10 million player - from both Swansea and Norwich. England goalkeeper Jack Butland was sold to Stoke in January for £3.3 million and then loaned back to Birmingham for the remainder of last season. Birmingham, whose owner Carson Yeung is on trial in Hong Kong on charges of money-laundering, do not have a transfer budget to bring in replacements. Zigic scored in the 2011 League Cup final win over Arsenal, but has contributed a total of just 29 goals in 113 games. Birmingham had hoped to sell him to Villarreal in January, and in February manager Lee Clark criticised him publicly for producing "possibly the worst training session in terms of a professional footballer I have ever come across". Darren Ambrose, Marlon King, Peter Lovenkrands & Hayden Mullins all rumoured to be on £25k+ per week. I think we know exactly the position they are in, every team need to trim wages at the moment it seems, some with more urgency than others. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 12:47:26 According to their forum he is the main problem with their wage structure currently as he is on £45k+ per week, Suspect the main problem with their wage structure is that what was affordable before isn't now, as the owner's up on fraud charges and had all his assets frozen (not helped by his representative at Birmingham, Peter Pannu, paying himself £1m+ p.a. basic plus all manner of bonuses on top of that). Zigic's contract clearly isn't affordable any more but their problems go a lot deeper than that, classic "Look over there" scapegoating by Pannu and cronies.Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 13:04:48 They are very much in deep shit financially at the moment it has to be said. A lot of their problems seem to have stem from flirting with the Premier League a couple of seasons ago, trying to keep up with the Joneses on player wages.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 13:36:27 I find it really, really difficult to feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 15:55:31 I find it really, really difficult to feel sorry for them. This, although it's the fans which always suffer. But as a club, they've brought it on themselves Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 18:22:29 Which is probaby what they thought about us.
Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: leefer on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 19:43:57 Should be playing now....if he refuses then sack him for breach of contract.
Simple......player on that kind of money not playing for the club is shocking. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: pauld on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 21:24:56 Should be playing now....if he refuses then sack him for breach of contract. I may have missed this but I don't think he's refused to play has he? Thought he'd refused a move, but that not playing him was the club's choice (i.e. no squad number etc) because they want to move him on?Simple......player on that kind of money not playing for the club is shocking. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 21:42:28 There was a suggestion he had refused to play and the article also has that suggestion about the play off games at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 21:55:46 Birmingham are screwed for the same reason we are, loss of benefactor. Their has his assets frozen. They've been signing frees all summer.
----- Will be interesting to hear caddis explain why he chose not to play for us in the playoffs, if true. May have shot himself in the foot there. Probably thought he was a brum player and undeserving of a playoff place having not been involved. Not a valid excuse in my opinion. Title: Re: BBC News: Paul Caddis: Swindon defender frustrated by unresolved future Post by: deltaincline on Thursday, August 29, 2013, 22:02:54 Birmingham are screwed for the same reason we are, loss of benefactor. Their has his assets frozen. They've been signing frees all summer. ----- Will be interesting to hear caddis explain why he chose not to play for us in the playoffs, if true. May have shot himself in the foot there. Probably thought he was a brum player and undeserving of a playoff place having not been involved. Not a valid excuse in my opinion. Bang on, Batch. It's a travesty that Caddis isn't playing for us as he's head and shoulders bettsr that anyone we've got in that position. The whole PDC / Caddis saga got out of hand, he did well at Brum in the aftermath, thought he was on his way, gave us the finger in the playoffs, pissed Jedco off, and now he's going to do as he's fucking told by Jedco until it suits US to move him on. Great player. Whinging, stupid, sweaty fucking jock cunt. |