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Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: DV on Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 21:08:16
In the past King has made some really weird decision with regards to players and positions...

Does anyone think Ifil would be better in another position other than centre back, he looks good running forward. If his final ball wasnt so awful I think he would make a good winger really, he would frighten people when he ran at them...


Just me?!


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 21:12:43
I said at some point last season that he'd be less of a libility in midfield, he'd win the ball higher up the pitch for us than any one else could, and may even be able to make some late runs into the box with his pace, CM for me though.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 21:23:51
I spose Marcel Desailly played in midfield as well as centre back...normally though you do it the other way round, because centre half is easier to play than central midfield.

 Lou tried it with  Colin Calderwood for a while  he scored a couple of goals in successive games, but was largely clueless there.

 I'd give Jerel 20 mins before he saw red there.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Johno on Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 21:35:08
i'd probably keep him in centre defence....


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: McLovin on Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 21:36:16
i would shove him at full back... he'd do less damage to us there, and can go marauding down the wing...


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 23:37:35
Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant"
i would shove him at full back... he'd do less damage to us there, and can go marauding down the wing...


seconded


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: walrus on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 10:42:30
Ifil is a good player, but doesn't look happy as part of a back two.  Whilst this is a dodgy comparison, I would say he resembles a Rio Ferdinand in the early part of his career, and thus would benefit immensely from being part of a back three (correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he play there or right wing-back when he impressed on loan for us)?

Whilst I strongly advocated the switch to 4-4-2 during our playoff season, it seems odd I'm calling for a return to the dreaded 3-5-2, but it seems the way to go with the personnel we've got.  With O'Hanlon and Reeves slotting alongside Ifil he would benefit immensely from their (particularly Reeves') experience and would have someone to mop up his mistakes.  In time perhaps he'd be ready for a back four.

I'd play:

GK : R.Evans
DC : J.Ifil
DC : A.Reeves (capt)
DC : S.O'Hanlon
MR : R.Shakes
ML : N.Nicholau
MC : G.Whalley
MC : S.Miglioranzi
AMC : C.Roberts
FC : R.Fallon
FC : T.Thorpe

Subs:
M.Bulman
S.Jenkins
M.Pook
J.Cureton
J.Smith

Obviously that lineup is pretty attacking - switching Roberts for Smith and putting Smith in a defensive midfield role would tighten it up for away games.  Obviously Shakes' and Nicholau's defensive abilities are not what they are renowned for so this would rely on some extra work in this area in training - or the aquiring of an effective defensive midfield player.

It seems odd changing formation to accomodate 2 players (Roberts and Ifil), but at least this way no one is being asked to do a job they aren't capable of.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: JMH75 on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 11:07:55
Ifil mazy run very late on against Oldham was one of the highlights of the game. :D

Never looked to have complete control of the ball but managed to take the ball from his own box to the Oldham half leaving 4 Oldham players stranded.

I think he then passed it to Whalley who gave it straight back to Oldham leaving poor old Jerel to peg it back to cover.

I think he would do well in midfield, as he would probably feel less pressured and would hopefully eradicate those 'school boy errors' that we know him for.

I take Reg's point on board though he could see a few cards.
 :shock:


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Johno on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 11:12:10
ifils run last season was better! ran the whole lenght of the pitch basically then fell over when he shot...one of the best moments all season!  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: JMH75 on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 11:13:57
Quote from: "Johno"
ifils run last season was better! ran the whole lenght of the pitch basically then fell over when he shot...one of the best moments all season!  :soapy tit wank:


You're right that was superb.

Who was that against again?


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Johno on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 11:22:30
i can't remember....bradford came to mind? don't think it was that game though.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: santini on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 11:51:38
Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant"
i would shove him at full back... he'd do less damage to us there, and can go marauding down the wing...
Jerel can't handle it without  defenders either side of him to tell him what to do and when to do it. Remember Stockport last season when he was put to RB in a reshuffle and was clueless? He needs less freedom, not more.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 12:04:29
He needs to be on the bench.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: unclemark on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 12:29:49
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
He needs to be on the bench.
 I think that will eventually happen if he keeps making errors, but I would like to see him as a centre mid sitting just in front of the backline.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Melksham Red on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 12:36:02
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
He needs to be on the bench.


I think so aswell. He's too error prone. He certainly shouldn't be played in midfield, he's too dumb. Headless chicken springs to mind.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Piemonte on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 12:36:59
He needs to be sold and replaced by someone dependable :|


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Johno on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 12:54:56
i definitely don't think we should sell ifil, he is still yuong and we know how good he can be, just needs to find form. maybe drop him for a few games.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 13:03:48
Quote from: "Melksham Red"
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
He needs to be on the bench.


I think so aswell. He's too error prone. He certainly shouldn't be played in midfield, he's too dumb. Headless chicken springs to mind.


Agreed. I'd be worried that he'd still manage to make a mistake whilst sat on the bench  :?


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: DV on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 13:42:11
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
Quote from: "Melksham Red"
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
He needs to be on the bench.


I think so aswell. He's too error prone. He certainly shouldn't be played in midfield, he's too dumb. Headless chicken springs to mind.


Agreed. I'd be worried that he'd still manage to make a mistake whilst sat on the bench  :?


too many sugar's in Reeves' tea?!


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 13:49:30
He'd probably trip over when going to warm-up, destroying the dugout in a comical fashion and brutally wounding all of our substitutes and ending their careers.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: DV on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 13:51:05
then a massive insurence claim.....thus loads of money for us to spend on new players....result


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Melksham Red on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 13:58:57
Everybody knows including King that Ifil plays best when given a man marking job. Nearly every team has a main danger man, put Ifil on him and let the rest of the defence worry about the technical stuff.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 14:03:47
If we played 3-5-2 then Ifil could comfortably do a man-marking job and leave the other two centre-backs to get on with their own jobs, I doubt that will ever occur to King though.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: McLovin on Thursday, August 11, 2005, 14:05:33
man marking in a 4-4-2 is a bad idea...


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Crozzer on Saturday, August 13, 2005, 12:24:26
Quote from: "nozza"
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
He needs to be on the bench.
 I think that will eventually happen if he keeps making errors, but I would like to see him as a centre mid sitting just in front of the backline.



Agree with this, the new Oolitt, sort of..


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: walrus on Saturday, August 13, 2005, 17:40:15
He was impressive today - looked like he was given a task of man-marking which he stuck to.  He'll learn.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: my-velocity on Saturday, August 13, 2005, 17:52:00
Quote from: "santini"
Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant"
i would shove him at full back... he'd do less damage to us there, and can go marauding down the wing...
Jerel can't handle it without  defenders either side of him to tell him what to do and when to do it. Remember Stockport last season when he was put to RB in a reshuffle and was clueless? He needs less freedom, not more.


Ifil is always there clearing the ball. Making some excellent takles and using some good skill. He's one of the best players who've played for swindon and i hope he stays for longer than this season.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Elsterap on Saturday, August 13, 2005, 17:58:49
Quote from: "stfcbeckett"
Ifil is always there clearing the ball. Making some excellent takles and using some good skill. He's one of the best players who've played for swindon and i hope he stays for longer than this season.

Do you remember last season?  And some of his kicking this season as well as in the past?

Brilliant tackler, glad to have him in the side.  But his distrubution is poor and often makes mistakes.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: santini on Sunday, August 14, 2005, 15:02:05
Quote from: "stfcbeckett"

Ifil is always there clearing the ball. Making some excellent takles and using some good skill. He's one of the best players who've played for swindon and i hope he stays for longer than this season.
Ifil has to clear the ball in last minute lunging tackles because Ifil made the mistake, went to sleep, dived in, or drifted out of position in the first place.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, August 14, 2005, 15:53:44
Ifil's distribution is awful.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: DV on Sunday, August 14, 2005, 17:24:53
...but Forest hardly has a sniff on goal...

He just needs to be calmer on the ball....


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Piemonte on Monday, August 15, 2005, 11:22:00
Quote from: "stfcbeckett"
Quote from: "santini"
Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant"
i would shove him at full back... he'd do less damage to us there, and can go marauding down the wing...
Jerel can't handle it without  defenders either side of him to tell him what to do and when to do it. Remember Stockport last season when he was put to RB in a reshuffle and was clueless? He needs less freedom, not more.


Ifil is always there clearing the ball. Making some excellent takles and using some good skill. He's one of the best players who've played for swindon and i hope he stays for longer than this season.


Are you sure??? how many goals has he given the oposition last season and at the start of this one?

That said, he was much improved on satuday.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: larwood on Monday, August 15, 2005, 12:05:30
He seemed to be given a man marking job on saturday and looked a lot better,he seems to find it easier when he's doing that kind of job.I worry that he could become the new daisy,i don't think he'd be able to cope with that,it would damage his confidence,he is ,like the rest of our defence, still young.


Title: Jerel Ifil
Post by: Johno on Monday, August 15, 2005, 12:18:05
Ifil can be brilliant...we all know that, i say its worth keeping him in the team for that reason. unless he plays crap for a while!