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Title: Flint transfer offer
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 16:43:54
Transfer offer from bradford rejected.

Think flint still has a lot to offer, still young so good decision imo


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 16:54:26
Out of contract at the end of the season though...


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 16:55:47
If we had to sell someone to get a few quid in the pot then I'd happily let it be flint to keep everyone else and get in 1 or 2 new players that Paolo feels we need


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 16:58:10
Keep Aden!

Bradford were probably offering washers and he's a valuable member of our squad even though he's not in the first 11 at the moment.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 17:57:33
Out of contract at the end of the season though...

But still under 24., so we are entitled to a fee if he then leaves anyway.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 17:59:04
Worth keeping him if Troy is out for a few months then as said above we would still get a fee if he leaves in the summer anyway.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Stef Troll on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 18:27:09
Hopefully get a bit of a better offer and then sell him.

Only league 2/Conference standard at best.  Is ok in divisions where long ball is the norm, but up against teams who pass the ball and have a bit of pace, he doesnt cut it


Title: Re: Re: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: herthab on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 18:30:20
Hopefully get a bit of a better offer and then sell him.

Only league 2/Conference standard at best.  Is ok in divisions where long ball is the norm, but up against teams who pass the ball and have a bit of pace, he doesnt cut it
I don't know whether it's what you say, or the way you say it, that makes me think you'rea cunt.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 18:46:55
I would sell providing we get a good fee. I think League 1 is his limit, he's not good enough with his feet to play at a higher level.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: leefer on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 18:47:46
That is what Stefpol was intimating i think ;D


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 18:51:58
But we all know Coca's a cunt anyway.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 18:54:54
Think he's decent myself, but he's unfortunate in that you sometimes need an old head in there. Remember the Morrison/Cuthbert disaster.

Based on what I've seen I'd pick Flint ahead of TAH ever day of the week.

Nice to see we haven't gone back to accepting the first offer we get too.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 18:57:00
But we all know Coca's a cunt anyway.
:blowkiss:


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 19:18:53
Pragmatism says if we get 200k plus (yes, I do think he is worth that - others may not) then sell and get in a cheaper loan option as cover. Paolo sees him as 3rd or even 4th choice CB, and if we go up then that's likely go be even lower.

Ideally, for me we should keep him and develop him further. It's a myth that his distribution isn't up to scratch - Ward's career has been in the league above and his is almost at the same level. He's almost unbeatable on his day and just like were wrong to think Ritchie and Caddis couldn't step up, I think Flint could hold his own even in the Championship.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: cheltred69 on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 19:37:01
But still under 24., so we are entitled to a fee if he then leaves anyway.

He'll be 24 in July.
Would it be possible for him to leave STFC at the expiry of his contract, become a free agent and then sign elsewhere when he's had his 24th birthday, in good time for the new season without any compensation being payable?


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 19:40:51
Wonder if we have an auto-extension clause in his contract ?


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: fatbasher on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 19:57:06
Do we really need the money?, is it enough and we don't know what was offered anyway, does he figure long term, is he good enough to keep and develop if get promoted?

Personally I like the guy as a town player, however, I am not sure that he has what we will need in the championship. I fear he'll get turned inside out and get sent off to regularly in the championship. In the short term I think I would keep him until Troy is back to full fitness which is going to be after the window closes.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 20:32:55
As fatbasher has alluded to, we need him for cover.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: nochee on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 20:34:28
Who else is going to change the floodlight bulbs?


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 21:41:06
Hopefully get a bit of a better offer and then sell him.

Only league 2/Conference standard at best.  Is ok in divisions where long ball is the norm, but up against teams who pass the ball and have a bit of pace, he doesnt cut it

Seemed to do ok against Wigan last year.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 21:42:21
Who else is going to change the floodlight bulbs?

Very good.   :D


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: dphunt88 on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 22:04:21
Seemed to do ok against Wigan last year.

Aside from the penalty he gave away in the Wigan game, he was fantastic. He also had a brilliant game against Stoke City this season. Had a right old tussle with 3 of the biggest/most awkward strikers in the premier league - Cameron Jerome, Kenywne Jones and Peter Crouch. Come to think of it, Jonathan Walters got on the pitch at some point as well!

Flint is well worth sticking with. Remember he's only young himself and still learning. Last season was his one and only full season in the football league. Really noticable when compared to Devera (177 apps for Barnet in the football league before joining STFC), how much more composed/calm Devera is because of the experience.

Find me a Town fan who rates Archibald-Henville higher than Flint anyway? It's a non-debate. When fit, Troy would be an ideal candidate to join Bradford or Port Vale on loan.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 22:06:21
Seemed to do ok against Wigan last year.

It is ludicrous that people dismiss the idea that a relatively young player who was a rock in such a superb defensive unit couldn't cut it in the level above, on the basis that he isn't quick or Beckenbauer.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 22:18:05
It is ludicrous that people dismiss the idea that a relatively young player who was a rock in such a superb defensive unit couldn't cut it in the level above, on the basis that he isn't quick or Beckenbauer.

Totally agree.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: joteddyred on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 22:37:11
It is ludicrous that people dismiss the idea that a relatively young player who was a rock in such a superb defensive unit couldn't cut it in the level above, on the basis that he isn't quick or Beckenbauer.

This.  I also find it slightly strange that some people seem happy to keep him until TAH is fit again and then get rid?  I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but why would he be better  in the Championship than Flint? I've seen nothing as yet that suggests he's good enough for League 1 whereas Flint has done a bloody good job during his time here.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Stef Troll on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 23:00:11
Seemed to do ok against Wigan last year.
he did even better against Maccesfield this season.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, January 10, 2013, 23:04:29
But still under 24., so we are entitled to a fee if he then leaves anyway.

Only if we offer him a new contract.

I'd keep him as cover, can't imagine he's on a lot, still young, and fairly talented.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: fatbasher on Friday, January 11, 2013, 00:33:54
Seemed to do ok against Wigan last year.

Been sent off how many times this season?


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Bennett on Friday, January 11, 2013, 07:20:46
Been sent off how many times this season?
not sure that's relevant to the argument he did well against wigan, conversely to base a career on doing well against a rubbish team is a bit silly also


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: fatbasher on Friday, January 11, 2013, 07:32:30
not sure that's relevant to the argument he did well against wigan, conversely to base a career on doing well against a rubbish team is a bit silly also

I disagree, with you first comment. To have a player that is not fleet of foot at the back, cumbersome against tricky players and who's distribution is suspect in the championship spells car crash. Besides all that, spend long spells unavailable due to suspension is not much good to the team selection possibilities.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, January 11, 2013, 07:49:44
Martin Keown, Terry Butcher, Per Mertesacker, Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister suggest being a bit tardy isn't the end of the world for Flint.Because someome says it once, without any actual analysis of how a centre back can be a success, doesn't make it true.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, January 11, 2013, 09:45:50
not sure that's relevant to the argument he did well against wigan, conversely to base a career on doing well against a rubbish team is a bit silly also

My Wigan point was in response to StefPol's point that he will never make it at this or a higher level against opponents who play football. Wigan do this and despite not being great in the Prem are still two leagues higher than us.

I disagree, with you first comment. To have a player that is not fleet of foot at the back, cumbersome against tricky players and who's distribution is suspect in the championship spells car crash. Besides all that, spend long spells unavailable due to suspension is not much good to the team selection possibilities.

A central defenders job is to defend! The clue is there somewhere. Was Oooo Shaun Taylor's distribution much better? (Sorry Shaun!) Flint is usually quick enough and long legged enough to recover against so called smaller trickier opponents anyway.

Granted the 2 sendings off were frustrating but these were for diving in (which as Paolo says he needs to learn from) and not really because he got skinned particulary. He didn't get sent off in the whole of last season i don't think and we regularly played against higher league opposition so not sure that argument holds much credence.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, January 11, 2013, 09:47:34
he did even better against Maccesfield this season.

Ummmmm. We lost 1-0 to a 30 yarder did we not?


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, January 11, 2013, 09:49:41
He didn't deserve that red, either


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, January 11, 2013, 09:53:06
He didn't deserve that red, either

I didn't think so either. Personally thought he was unlucky with both reds this season but thought that might seem a bit rose tinted.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: london_red on Friday, January 11, 2013, 09:59:34
While we were finding our feet at the back at the start of last season (Lanzano! Comazzi!) thought he was a rock and probably our best player through the first 6 games. Remains to be seen if he can develop his game enough to cut it at Championship level, but still young and has the ability to be a top centre back at this level I think. Would hope we would try hard to keep him here.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 11, 2013, 10:28:41
Ummmmm. We lost 1-0 to a 30 yarder did we not?

2-0 wasn't it? N.Thompson scored a last minute own goal if I recall correctly?


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 11, 2013, 10:30:22
A central defenders job is to defend! The clue is there somewhere. Was Oooo Shaun Taylor's distribution much better? (Sorry Shaun!) Flint is usually quick enough and long legged enough to recover against so called smaller trickier opponents anyway.

I spoke to Glenn at the time when I worked for the club, he told me that Taylor was probably the worst passer of a ball he had ever seen but Glenn himself put in many hours of ball control and passing training with him and TBF at the end of his time with Swindon you have to say that Shaun was a very accomplished passer fo the ball.

All his job was to win the ball in the air or the ground and pass to a red shirt. Much as Pallister, Hansen, Thompson or Bruce used to do.

Not every player can be a Beckenbauer or Calderwood but the problem comes when they think they are that good and try to take on players when they should just pass to a red shirt.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, January 11, 2013, 10:34:35
I spoke to Glenn at the time when I worked for the club, he told me that Taylor was probably the worst passer of a ball he had ever seen but Glenn himself put in many hours of ball control and passing training with him and TBF at the end of his time with Swindon you have to say that Shaun was a very accomplished passer fo the ball.

All his job was to win the ball in the air or the ground and pass to a red shirt. Much as Pallister, Hansen, Thompson or Bruce used to do.

Not every player can be a Beckenbauer or Calderwood but the problem comes when they think they are that good and try to take on players when they should just pass to a red shirt.

I wasn't taking Shaun's name in vain. A true legend! Just using him to support my argument. Very interesting though Pete, hadn't realised he was THAT bad to be honest. Glenn no doubt had higher standards on that score than most mind.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 11, 2013, 10:35:53
I wasn't taking Shaun's name in vain. A true legend! Just using him to support my argument.
Oh no I appreciate that, but what I was saying is that every player can improve but some THINK they are better than they are.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, January 11, 2013, 10:36:30
Oh no I appreciate that, but what I was saying is that every player can improve but some THINK they are better than they are.

Very true.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, January 11, 2013, 11:58:56
2-0 wasn't it? N.Thompson scored a last minute own goal if I recall correctly?

Louis Thompson on his debut.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 11, 2013, 12:01:18
Shaun Taylor had a Gascoigne esq run through the heart of Man Utd in the game at home, before being upended on approach to the box (this is how I remember it, he could have been fouled a little further out in reality).


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Friday, January 11, 2013, 12:10:23
Met Shaun a couple of years back in The Hop Hole in Bath, tentatively approached him as I wasn't completely sure it was him, totally sound guy. He has very fond memories of his time here, especially the Tranmere game. True legend.


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, January 11, 2013, 12:15:19
2-0 wasn't it? N.Thompson scored a last minute own goal if I recall correctly?
Louis Thompson on his debut.

Oh yeah, my bad. Hardly an example of Flint struggling though is it Stef?


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 11, 2013, 12:41:30
Louis Thompson on his debut.

Ah yes, I stand corrected.

Has he played since?


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, January 11, 2013, 12:59:32
Think he started the next game (Sheff Utd?) and that was pretty much it


Title: Re: Flint transfer offer
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, January 11, 2013, 13:04:23
Think he started the next game (Sheff Utd?) and that was pretty much it
also came on as a sub in the following game against Walsall