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Title: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:13:25
Time for a 2nd tier European competition including teams from the Championship, Bundesliga 2, Segunda Division and Ligue 2 (Serie B is exempt because there aren't any good clubs in it this season)

All teams pre qualify in their own country, 4 make it through from each country into 4 groups, (1 team from each country). The top team from each group qualifies for the semis. Voila.

Now Peterborough and Barnsley can dream of playing in Europe.

(It's better than the Anglo-Italian Cup because there's more than 2 countries involved innit)


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:14:38
Out of interest has anyone on here see us play away from home in Europe? Didn't realise we'd played in the anglo-italian cup as recently as 94/95. Thought that it was only in the late 60's/early 70's.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:16:24
It seems logical that 2nd tier clubs should get to play in another competition as they don't have to slog it out in the JPT like 3rd/4th tier clubs.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:18:15
i like this idea.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:24:50
I've decided to swap Serie B for Segunda Division.

Serie B has Reggina, Bari, Empoli...

Segunda Division has Villareal, Racing Santander, Sporting Gijon, Real Murcia, Hercules, Almeria


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:27:33
i like this idea.
Do they not do an Inter-Scandinavia Cup?


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:28:28
I was thinking about this a while back. The idea I came up with was an inter-league challenge tournament.

So you'd have say England vs Germany, with various second tier teams playing against each other (doesn't have to be all of them but as many as possible) and whichever league gets the most points wins the match. Everyone plays each other home and away, so with four countries there would be six rounds of matches. Then add them up the match results for a winner.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:31:42
Anyone go watch us away at Venezia or Ascoli in 1994?  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, November 29, 2012, 23:40:55
I'm honestly surprised this hasn't happened already. It would mean more money for Sky (more sponsorship/more stuff to make people pay for, wider audience that would pay for it etc.), more money for UEFA, more money for the clubs. All round good sense penny pincher-wise...


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Friday, November 30, 2012, 00:13:01
Why not? Could replace the Europa League if The Champions League goes to 64 teams!


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Friday, November 30, 2012, 08:35:56
Why not? Could replace the Europa League if The Champions League goes to 64 teams!

The opening group stage already has too many minnows in it.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, November 30, 2012, 08:43:12
Anyone go watch us away at Venezia or Ascoli in 1994?  :girlgiggle:

Nope but i know some guys who did.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: kerry red on Friday, November 30, 2012, 09:32:14
Just when you think we have reached saturation point, another pointless, poorly-attended competition is mooted.

So we'll now get Championship clubs snubbing our 2 national cup competitions.

It may have some novelty value to start with, but as a long term competition I doubt it will have the legs.

Just look at how the PL clubs in the Europa league treat that - I honestly don't know why they bother entering.

Bollocks to Europe, I like my domestic football


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: dporter on Friday, November 30, 2012, 09:35:52
Sounds good in theory but i can see some managers not wanting it as it will make their seasons too congested if they have more games to play.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 30, 2012, 11:22:17
 Had there been a bit more interest the last time the Anglo-Italian was tried then , it would have suggested some support for such an idea...but there wasn't.

 Platini with his waffle about expanding the CL and doing away with the EL, is talking out loud about what I see as inevitable one day, namely a fully fledged European League.  This might stretch to 2 divisions of say 18 clubs with promotion and relegation.....domestic league winners in the rest of the European Leagues, could then compete for two or three places at then top table.

Here are the 36 teams to compete. England: ManUre, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs. Spain: Real Madrid, Barca, Valencia, Athletic Bilbao, Sevilla. Italy: Roma, Lazio, Juve, Inter, AC. Germany: Bayern, Dortmund, Schalke, Leverkusen, Hertha. Netherlands: PSV, Ajax, Feyenoord. France: PSG, Lyon, Lille. Portugal: Sporting, Benfica, Porto. Ukraine: Dynamo Kiev, Shaktar.
Russia: Zenit, CSKA, Spartak. Turkey: Galatasary, Fenerbahce


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, November 30, 2012, 11:25:50
Just when you think we have reached saturation point, another pointless, poorly-attended competition is mooted.

So we'll now get Championship clubs snubbing our 2 national cup competitions.

It may have some novelty value to start with, but as a long term competition I doubt it will have the legs.

Just look at how the PL clubs in the Europa league treat that - I honestly don't know why they bother entering.

Bollocks to Europe, I like my domestic football
i think you misunderstood the original post. it was a suggestion from Coca Fola...


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: kerry red on Friday, November 30, 2012, 11:30:48
Then I hope he never succeeds Monsieur Plantini

Mind you, expanding the Champions League is just plain wrong.

Get it back to a straight 2 leg knockout from the off


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 30, 2012, 13:39:08
Get it back to a straight 2 leg knockout from the off

You are thinking of it like a football fan, they think of it as a cash cow.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: tans on Friday, November 30, 2012, 13:42:30
The likes of Paolo Montero and Kwame Ayew gracing the CG pitch. Happy days.

Havent forgiven that cunt Oliver Bierhoff for scoring a hattrick against us though. At least Chris Hamon got one back in that game 8)


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Gnasher on Friday, November 30, 2012, 15:50:48
Out of interest has anyone on here see us play away from home in Europe? Didn't realise we'd played in the anglo-italian cup as recently as 94/95. Thought that it was only in the late 60's/early 70's.

Not away but I went to the home games. Seem to recollect watching Atalanta at the CG. As Reg said, there wasn't much interest in the games.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 30, 2012, 15:59:06
Pretty sure I was at this game.

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=19930902


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: kerry red on Friday, November 30, 2012, 16:03:54
Went to the demolition of Juventus early 70s.

Now, my memory isn't what it was but did Stan Harland score a screamer in that one


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Bedford Red on Friday, November 30, 2012, 16:04:42
Pretty sure I was at this game.

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=19930902

So was i, they stole it with a last minute winner. Not that it mattered based on what we achieved that season, probably better we didn't have more games to deal with.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 30, 2012, 16:08:44
Pretty sure I was at this game.

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=19930902

I don't suppose Chris Hughton and Colin Calderwood dreamed they'd end up as a management duo, when they shook hands at the end of the match.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 30, 2012, 16:12:28
So was i, they stole it with a last minute winner. Not that it mattered based on what we achieved that season, probably better we didn't have more games to deal with.

bizarrely I am sure I remember that their winner was scored off the underside of the bar. Not sure why I would remember such a thing but still!! It was the emptiest I had ever seen the CG.


Title: Re: Time for a 2nd tier European Cup competition
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 30, 2012, 16:24:37
bizarrely I am sure I remember that their winner was scored off the underside of the bar. Not sure why I would remember such a thing but still!! It was the emptiest I had ever seen the CG.

The emptiest I've ever seen the CG, was back in the 80's, we'd played Rovers and it had got a bit nawty, the cunts had battered out the side of the Shrivenham Road, with a crush barrier stanchion, and had attempted the same to get into the South Side, from outside.  Consequence was a hole in the stand....I lived in Stratton at the time, and was walking back after a night on the piss in OT, so climbed through and sat taking in a completely empty CG...surprisingly light, due I suppose to big bugger light on the magic roundabout.