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Title: Yank Election
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 5, 2012, 16:53:21
Apparently its really close.

Who is going to win and if its Romney, is it going to be a total clusterfuck?


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 5, 2012, 16:57:55
I hope it's Romney. That has more potential for laughs than Dubbya and Palin combined.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:01:23
I hope it's Romney. That has more potential for laughs than Dubbya and Palin combined.

Totally agreed, would make the news so much more worthwhile.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:05:14
Rest easy.  The US is a country of 300,000,000 people.  With competition like that, whoever gets the job is going to be good.

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Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:13:46
If Romney wins the inbred and Christian nutcase voters will have to be seriously out in force.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:33:14
Obama to win, by a whisker!


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:40:15
Much as I despise both of the meat puppets, I hope Romney wins, then we can end all this isn't Obama great nonsense. Were he a talc powder white skinned ginger haired bozo do you think all these tossers who think he's God incarnate would champion him. I'll be watching the pantomine. Every ones a winner baby. Farce


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:40:42
Apparently its really close.

Who is going to win and if its Romney, is it going to be a total clusterfuck?

As opposed to the stunning job Obama has done now...?

Never sure why the result matters to us tbh


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:42:06


Never sure why the result matters to us tbh

Entertainment


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:44:02
Entertainment

Fair enough  :)


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 5, 2012, 17:53:27
Was just interested in people's opinions s'all Ghanimah.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: thedarkprince on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:01:29
It baffles me that people think this doesn't matter for us. The US is currently the only real superpower left and their foreign policy impacts every single one of its partners, us more so due to the special relationship.

Romney's tour of Europe and Israel was an absolute shambles so imagine how bad it could get if he actually wins. Not that it'll be a bed of roses with the Demi-god that is Obama.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:05:49
i hope bill wins

good ol' bill


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: mystical_goat on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:07:44
I'm bothered about it more than our own elections.

Romney alread has some very Bush-esque quotes:

"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." –Mitt Romney (January 2012)

He'd be a disaster.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:16:33
Springsteen is out in force for Obama today, if its good enough for the real Boss then Obama is good enough for me.

It will basically come down to whoever wins Ohio anyway.

The foreign policy of the winner very much effects this country.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:20:21
No matter what, either guys' soundbites aren't going to make a jot of difference. The juggernaut agenda of worldwide interference goes on .


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: janaage on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:35:39
Yeah if Romney wins it'll be great. Well great if you're into war on a huge scale. The bloke is a danger to us all.

And no offence anyone who doesn't understand why this is important to the rest of the world needs to educate themselves.

So although he's not done a lot in his first term and may do even less in his second I hope Obama wins, as a president who doesn't do a lot is a good one I reckon.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:39:45
The Redskins have been a good indicator of political results in 17 out of the last 18 NFL matches on the eve of elections. When the Redskins have won, the incumbent has won. When they have lost the incumbent has lost.

Therefore, its going to be Romney, because the Redskins lost yesterday.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:45:43
Yeah if Romney wins it'll be great. Well great if you're into war on a huge scale. The bloke is a danger to us all.

And no offence anyone who doesn't understand why this is important to the rest of the world needs to educate themselves.


Who's to say Romney is into "war on a grand scale"...he'll do very little different if elected to what Obama does now who has followed his predecessor George Bush's foreign polices and in some cases exceeded them in terms of the war on terror.

That somehow either Romney or Obama is going to radically change anything in foreign policy is to misunderstand American politics.

Ultimately we have a choice as a country whether we lead or follow...Blair choose to follow regarding Iraq...we could have made a different choice....we didn't.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:47:13
The big multi million backing for either party comes with a price, go and fight more wars for your "friend" Israel or else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIOyI7LNuQo


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: leefer on Monday, November 5, 2012, 18:56:58
You honestly saying a stance on us saying NO to Iraq would have made any difference?

The Yanks would have gone in anyway regardless and probably a lot more gun ho...if you are saying that Blair would have been a better PM if he hadn't gone in that is debatable.

Tony Blair sorted Ireland out that deserves great credit..he never gets it.

As far as i can make out the Iraqi nation is starting to thrive again surely but slowly.

Should imagine millions of people who live there dont live in the same fear as when Sadam was in charge.



Fact is it was an ugly war all wars are but history will probably show it was worth it in the end.

So yes Tony Blair would have won many friends if he took a stance against the US....but my feeling is that generations of Iraqi people especialy woman and children will thrive...that is what many of those brave service people who died would have wanted.

Not Andy Pandy people arguing the toss if it was the right/wrong thing to do.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: janaage on Monday, November 5, 2012, 19:06:06
Who's to say Romney is into "war on a grand scale"...he'll do very little different if elected to what Obama does now who has followed his predecessor George Bush's foreign polices and in some cases exceeded them in terms of the war on terror.

That somehow either Romney or Obama is going to radically change anything in foreign policy is to misunderstand American politics.

Ultimately we have a choice as a country whether we lead or follow...Blair choose to follow regarding Iraq...we could have made a different choice....we didn't.

I'm just assuming he'll approach his foreign policy as he's described in his campaign. And as the republican supporters would like him to. Primarily by 'making the world scared of America' that's what they want, and I for one agree with Obama's 'the 80's called they want their foreign policy back' analysis of Romney less than softly softly approach.

Obama has delivered a much less aggressive approach, except the killing of Osama B-L. He's also gone on a middle east tour to try and pacify the region some what.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Monday, November 5, 2012, 19:06:25
Tony Blair. ambassador of peace for the Middle East, you couldn't make this shit up. Send him to the Hague for war crimes. Justice one day for this snake oil salesman. Scum.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, November 5, 2012, 19:24:59
I think it'll end up 269 Electoral College votes each.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, November 5, 2012, 19:47:46
I want Obama to win, mainly because he just looks and acts like a decent bloke. Whereas Romney seems to be an out of touch, backwards thinking, snobbish, magic-pants wearing buffoon.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 5, 2012, 19:54:42
Whereas Romney seems to be an out of touch, backwards thinking, snobbish, magic-pants wearing buffoon.

It's for these reasons I want Romney to win.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, November 5, 2012, 20:10:57
Never sure why the result matters to us tbh

Reckon if Gore had beaten Bush then we wouldn't have got in to such a fucking mess in Afghanistan and Iraq. The world would be a different place so I'd say it matters to everyone.

Things will turn to shit in the middle east if Romney gets in. Israel will become even more powerful and it will be a matter of when not if they launch an attack on Iran. At which point everything will really turn to shit.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, November 5, 2012, 20:27:50
Tony Blair. ambassador of peace for the Middle East, you couldn't make this shit up. Send him to the Hague for war crimes. Justice one day for this snake oil salesman. Scum.

You're a fan then?


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Monday, November 5, 2012, 20:51:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5O-yVKSP6A


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 5, 2012, 20:59:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5O-yVKSP6A

'False flag 9/11'

Do you believe in that shizzle?


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:11:40
I truly do, all too very convenient as a facilitator for American corporate interest. The idea that some cave dwelling folk with the most rudimentary piloting skills could execute that deed is beyond belief. That's apart from the staggering outrageous bare faced cheek of Building 7 collapsing in on itself. They must think we're frickin morons to be taken in by this.

The leit motiff of the Israeli intelligence, The Mossad- "By Deception we shall wage war"

Thus it always has been and hence it always shall.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:14:50
I truly do, all too very convenient as a facilitator for American corporate interest. The idea that some cave dwelling folk with the most rudimentary piloting skills could execute that deed is beyond belief. That's apart from the staggering outrageous bare faced cheek of Building 7 collapsing in on itself. They must think we're frickin morons to be taken in by this.

Brilliant, especially the cave dwellers bit.  I'll be disappointed if you are fishing


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:17:49
I truly do, all too very convenient as a facilitator for American corporate interest. The idea that some cave dwelling folk with the most rudimentary piloting skills could execute that deed is beyond belief. That's apart from the staggering outrageous bare faced cheek of Building 7 collapsing in on itself. They must think we're frickin morons to be taken in by this.

The leit motiff of the Israeli intelligence, The Mossad- "By Deception we shall wage war"

Thus it always has been and hence it always shall.

Is wish it wasn't past my bedtime, but it is.



Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: mrverve on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:25:04
I truly do, all too very convenient as a facilitator for American corporate interest. The idea that some cave dwelling folk with the most rudimentary piloting skills could execute that deed is beyond belief. That's apart from the staggering outrageous bare faced cheek of Building 7 collapsing in on itself. They must think we're frickin morons to be taken in by this.

The leit motiff of the Israeli intelligence, The Mossad- "By Deception we shall wage war"

Thus it always has been and hence it always shall.

 :D


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:25:55
Indoctrination at its best. Fool the masses with a televisual event of 9/11 magnitude and psychologically condition the masses to accept anything, even the loss of thousands of our own in a country who bore us no tangible threat, in the pursuit of "terrorists". Tried and trusted method through the ages- problem..reaction..solution.

Well I aint no suckpoop, if they think i'm belieiving their bullshit, they can fuck right off.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: mrverve on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:27:26
Re the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

I may be a bit naive but why can't we just leave Israel and the middle east to get on with it instead of taking sides?

It's their beef.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:36:54
Re the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

I may be a bit naive but why can't we just leave Israel and the middle east to get on with it instead of taking sides?

It's their beef.

Quite right, every nigglesome problem in the world is not our business, Christ, haven't we got enough problems unresolved on our own shores. Right, my labrador is shit scared because of the fireworks and has puked on the rug, so i'm going to be attentive towards him, priorites are at home (a nice analogy for UK and US imperialism)


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:47:53
Because Israel are breaking all kinds of international law with their illegal settlements and (ironically) turning Gaza into a ghetto. Intervention to free Palestine would be far more appropriate than meddling in Iraq and Libya, but will never happen as long as America turn a blind eye to Israeli atrocities.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:49:26
I truly do, all too very convenient as a facilitator for American corporate interest. The idea that some cave dwelling folk with the most rudimentary piloting skills could execute that deed is beyond belief. That's apart from the staggering outrageous bare faced cheek of Building 7 collapsing in on itself. They must think we're frickin morons to be taken in by this.

The leit motiff of the Israeli intelligence, The Mossad- "By Deception we shall wage war"

Thus it always has been and hence it always shall.
[url width=400 height=226]http://i.imgur.com/ZxCcZ.gif[/url]


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: leefer on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:50:32
Yep...wonder what language we would be talking now if everyone had kept out of things in 1914 and 1939 :hmmm:

Maybe if millions of Yanks,Aussies ,Indians and the list goes on had thought.....fuck it its there problem.

Doubt we would be enjoying fireworks tonight.

Come to think of it thats exactly what happened to the millions of Jews wasn't it.....the world just watched and didn't give a fuck.

Thats what really annoys me at the anti USA shite spouted at times......they baled out the UK and in fact most of Europe not so long ago.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, November 5, 2012, 21:51:27
Re the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

I may be a bit naive but why can't we just leave Israel and the middle east to get on with it instead of taking sides?

It's their beef.

We do (pretty much) leave them to it, as does the rest of the world with one major exception. The USA back them, fund them, arm them and stand up for them no matter what - they're pretty much the 51st state.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Monday, November 5, 2012, 22:19:10
For some reason it amuses me that one of Mitt Romney's sons is called Matt.

I want to be told they have a dog called Mutt.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: janaage on Monday, November 5, 2012, 22:25:21
Quote from: leefer link=topic=49714.msg1131783#msg1131783 date=

Thats what really annoys me at the anti USA shite spouted at times......they baled out the UK and in fact most of Europe not so long ago.

Think we baled the states out in truth. If it wasn't for the British fighting the Nazis on our own then the yanks would never have been able to fight them without a solid European base.

The way the Israelis treated the British troops in the post war years was a disgrace.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 5, 2012, 23:07:22
Thats what really annoys me at the anti USA shite spouted at times......they baled out the UK and in fact most of Europe not so long ago.

Only when they fucking had to.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 06:02:13
I truly do, all too very convenient as a facilitator for American corporate interest. The idea that some cave dwelling folk with the most rudimentary piloting skills could execute that deed is beyond belief. That's apart from the staggering outrageous bare faced cheek of Building 7 collapsing in on itself. They must think we're frickin morons to be taken in by this.

The leit motiff of the Israeli intelligence, The Mossad- "By Deception we shall wage war"

Thus it always has been and hence it always shall.

Righty

So who did fly the planes then?


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 07:02:10
they baled out the UK and in fact most of Europe not so long ago.

This annoys the beejaysus out of me.

Bailed us out after all that had gone on before they decided to join in? Would they have 'bailed us out' had the Japs not have attacked Pearl Harbour?

I think the allies did a pretty fucking good job before the septics arrived so why the fuck do they get the credit? The allies won WWII because they fought together and every nation committed to the cause and lost lives, not because the yanks 'bailed us out'. I actually find it quite disrespectful and typical American right-wing ignorant bollocks.



Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 07:10:12
So it's 0705, 0205 EST, and Fox is brilliant viewing already. I'm watching a rerun of The Five and it's not disappointing. For those who aren't familiar with it there are 4 republicans and one democrat sat around a table. In every programme the 4 republicans slag off Obama constantly with Bob the Democrat trying to stick up for him.

One of the reasons I want Obama to win this is to see their faces should Mitt lose.

Fox News, for all the wrong reasons, is superb, can't stop watching it.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 07:12:14

Fox News, for all the wrong reasons, is superb, can't stop watching it.

Does it still have the ALERT ticker on the bottom.

Every time I've seen fox on the TV I thought there was a big news flash or something.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 07:13:36
Yep, offshore storm set to hit just near New York/Jersey shore.

If ever there was an example of scare tactics to try and control a nation.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 08:23:01
When was the last time you saw a US politician who didn't have his shirt sleeves rolled about a third of the way up his forearm?  I'm sure it's meant to convey a message of 'Hell, folks, I'm busy but I'm getting on with the job.'  Just seems a bit transparent.  Maybe shirt manufacturers should start producing shirts with 3/4 length sleeves, just for busy people like Mitt & Barry?


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 20:46:36
Yep...wonder what language we would be talking now if everyone had kept out of things in 1914 and 1939 :hmmm:

Maybe if millions of Yanks,Aussies ,Indians and the list goes on had thought.....fuck it its there problem.

Doubt we would be enjoying fireworks tonight.

Come to think of it thats exactly what happened to the millions of Jews wasn't it.....the world just watched and didn't give a fuck.

Thats what really annoys me at the anti USA shite spouted at times......they baled out the UK and in fact most of Europe not so long ago.

If we'd have kept out of the 1914-18 conflict, the chances are Germany would have won, and then one of the major reasons for the outbreak of WW2 would have been removed.  So we'd have been speaking English and WW2 probably wouldn't have happened.

If we'd have kept out of WW2, Hitler was willing to do a deal that essentially left the Empire to us, the Americas to the US and Europe to Germany.  Even if we'd been invaded, the Nazis never imposed German on the territories they took over, so we'd be speaking English.

Also, just when did the Americans decide that Nazism was so evil that they declared war on them?  Never.  Germany declared war on the US.

Finally, Germany was overextended in the Soviet Union, and therefore defeat was inevitable (they could never produce enough to keep fighting once Blitzkrieg had failed and the Russian winter arrived).

I write all of this as someone who has no problems with America, loves NYC, their microbreweries, a load of their music.

In fact, if we are to compare World Wars, I would suggest that the US entry into WW1 was of greater importance to the overall outcome.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 06:36:53
Barry won again, by the way.

Congratulations America.  It's been 8 whole years since you last elected a loon.  You're learning.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 07:10:40
Thank God for that, Romney would have been a nightmare.

Republicans should have given Ron Paul a go, least he's got his Foreign Policy spot on, the old bast.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 08:04:54
The Redskins have been a good indicator of political results in 17 out of the last 18 NFL matches on the eve of elections. When the Redskins have won, the incumbent has won. When they have lost the incumbent has lost.

Therefore, its going to be Romney, because the Redskins lost yesterday.
Fucking Redskins! You can never rely on Mike Shanahan's teams!!!!!

(Not that I mind the loon not being elected)


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: dell returns on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 08:10:59
When was the last time you saw a US politician who didn't have his shirt sleeves rolled about a third of the way up his forearm?  I'm sure it's meant to convey a message of 'Hell, folks, I'm busy but I'm getting on with the job.'  Just seems a bit transparent.  Maybe shirt manufacturers should start producing shirts with 3/4 length sleeves, just for busy people like Mitt & Barry?

Now you've got me looking!


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 09:39:47
If only the greater majority of the Brits could have seen through Cameron as the yanks saw through Romney!!  He would have ruled for the rich, totally fucked up on foreign policy and pushed the world into a deeper recession than the american bankers ever did!!  The common denominator is that both Cameron and Romney are full of bluster and devoid of ideas - apart from hurting the weak and poor.  Rant over - back to the PR men!!

PS  Would Romney have allowed one of his trusted lieutenants to piss off to the jungle on a money-making jaunt - especially when it is us who are paying her wages!!


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 09:52:32
If only the greater majority of the Brits could have seen through Cameron as the yanks saw through Romney!!  He would have ruled for the rich, totally fucked up on foreign policy and pushed the world into a deeper recession than the american bankers ever did!!  The common denominator is that both Cameron and Romney are full of bluster and devoid of ideas - apart from hurting the weak and poor.  Rant over - back to the PR men!!

PS  Would Romney have allowed one of his trusted lieutenants to piss off to the jungle on a money-making jaunt - especially when it is us who are paying her wages!!

I think the key difference there is that the Americans had Obama as a plausible (if not perfect) alternative to Romney.  And who was our alternative to Cameron?  Gordon Brown.  The calibre of top politicians in this country is pretty shocking at the moment.  Hardly surprising.  Very few talented people would willingly choose a career in politics these days.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 13:18:58
I think the key difference there is that the Americans had Obama as a plausible (if not perfect) alternative to Romney.  And who was our alternative to Cameron?  Gordon Brown.  The calibre of top politicians in this country is pretty shocking at the moment.  Hardly surprising.  Very few talented people would willingly choose a career in politics these days.
Nick Clegg!


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 15:38:14
Nick Clegg!

Who has proven himself the slimiest, two-faced cunt out of the lot.


Title: Re: Yank Election
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 16:29:32
congratlations to barry obumma