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Title: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: News Monkey on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 07:00:10
Town close in on deal for  midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
           
           



  PAOLO Di Canio has revealed that Swindon Town are making progress in their attempts to bring Tottenham’s John Bostock to the County Ground, insisting the
  recent change of manager at White Hart Lane has not hampered the Robins’ chances of landing the midfielder on a long-term loan.

           

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Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: fatbasher on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 07:37:19
I cannot help thinking that this is a done deal.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: LittleRed on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 09:56:31
I never really believed this signing was ever in doubt. The only problems that were existing was the fact that PDC wanted him here for pre season training and the change over with the Totenham manager. Im almost certain he will be here soon.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Paolo69 on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 12:46:37
Isn't every signing in doubt until it's actually happened. We've been shafted over enough times over the years. Players, agents, managers blah blah. Hence why many wait for the old "scarf above head" shots.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: walcot red on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 12:49:58
I wont be happy till I see the picture of him holding a scarf in the county ground with Di Canio


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: pericarp on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 16:36:27
Would be the last piece of the jigsaw I reckon.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 17:19:48
Even allowing for Di Canio's knack for doing the unpredictable, I think I have a reasonable idea of what the starting XI will be at Hartlepool, i.e.

Foderingham

Caddis
McEveley
McCormack
Flint (or Devera or Archibald-Hen)

Ritchie
Ferry (or Miller)
Navarro
Roberts (or Rooney)

Collins
Benson (or Williams)

...so how exactly would he be looking to use Bostock I wonder? Would he be looking to bring him off the bench to change it around if things aren't going well? Or perhaps play 4-4-2 at home and a slightly different formation away?


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Benzel on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 17:26:11
Well Paolo was saying that it allows him to change to a 4-3-1-2 formation, with Bostock being the 1, he did pretty well in behind the striker vs Gills and Vale.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Coca Fola on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 21:11:47
I've run out of socks.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: A Gent Orange on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 21:18:33
Bostock would give lots more tactical options, including  4231 and 4141. The arrival of Roberts makes it pretty clear we will still be seeing 442 at home.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: kerry red on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 21:31:42
I reckon Rooney is going to be a massive player for us this season.

He's got just about everything - just needs to channel it all


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: adje on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 22:00:41
 :)
Even allowing for Di Canio's knack for doing the unpredictable, I think I have a reasonable idea of what the starting XI will be at Hartlepool, i.e.

Foderingham

Caddis
McEveley
McCormack
Flint (or Devera or Archibald-Hen)

Ritchie
Ferry (or Miller)
Navarro
Roberts (or Rooney)

Collins
Benson (or Williams)

...so how exactly would he be looking to use Bostock I wonder? Would he be looking to bring him off the bench to change it around if things aren't going well? Or perhaps play 4-4-2 at home and a slightly different formation away?

In other words you dont know at all! :)


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 22:21:40
Bostock would give lots more tactical options, including  4231 and 4141. The arrival of Roberts makes it pretty clear we will still be seeing 442 at home.

It's not just about Bostock though, the other signings all help to make other formations possible. Reckon we've got the right players for 4-2-3-1 now, as you need good defensive midfielders that can be creative and wingers that score goals.

I can't remember the last time we had such deep quality in the squad to open up other options like this.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager
Post by: DRS on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 22:26:46
My main concern is lack of cover for the fullbacks


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 22:38:57
I think we'll be ok at full back. Devera, although not an attacking player, showed last year when Caddis was out that he's more than capable there. Cibocchi's ample cover on the left too. Loans of there's any long term injuries.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: fatbasher on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 23:16:28
I felt disappointed with Rooney after his first few games. I hope he comes out all guns blazing and shows us exactly what Paolo saw in him. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and think he'll be a worthy asset in the long run but just felt he was a little flat and to predictable.   


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: pericarp on Saturday, July 7, 2012, 23:43:21
I agree.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 11:45:19
Rooney needs to stop being predictable and cutting inside every time.  He needs to hit the byeline occaisionally.  Defenders will work him out a lot quicker in this league unless he adds some variation to his game.

If he does that he could easily turn into a player that has the same qualities of Ritchie.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager
Post by: DRS on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 11:50:55
I am going to be the first to say it.I think Ritchie will have a very poor season.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Benzel on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 12:24:48
What makes you think that?


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 12:33:39
Drugs would be my guess. What a bizarre statement.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager
Post by: DRS on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 12:45:15
Just don't think he was all that in league 1 before.Also think better left backs will be more aware of him cutting back in


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 14:53:59
Based on League 1 performances in the past, Caddis will struggle more than Ritchie but I think it's clear to see that both have improved massively. The signing of Roberts gives us another option if Ritchie is found out as he can operate on both sides.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 14:57:44
Neither Caddis nor Ritchie will struggle in L1.

Write it down.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 18:46:10
Neither Caddis nor Ritchie will struggle in L1.

Write it down.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 18:52:49
Those 2 are the players who we sho
uld be worrying about the least.


Title: Re: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 19:09:59
Jesus. Fact is you may be right because any player may have an off season, but you are talking about the best player in league two last season. He has improved dramatically, changed his game since moving to the right, is in a better side, with a better manager and tactics suited to his game. He has Championship clubs watching him, he is fit, has a superb attitude....my god, why don't Town fans appreciate him?


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager
Post by: DRS on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 19:17:25
I do appreciate him,i just got my concerns on him stepping up a division.As for best player in division 2 that's bollocks isn't.Oh and the year we went down caddis hardly played in his natural position mor than 2 games in a row.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 19:28:39
He won League Two Player of the Year. At the very least, he was in the top three (Behind Foderingham and McCormack, naturally).

You may remember than in 2009 a lower league journeyman named Grant Holt won the same award. He's just about managed to take the step up...


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager
Post by: DRS on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 19:33:04
I am not saying he is poor i just got a niggling feeling we will be dissapointed with him this season.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 19:35:55
I am not saying he is poor i just got a niggling feeling we will be dissapointed with him this season.

Teams will do their homework on him and i'm sure sometimes he will struggle and games will pass him by. That said he could switch flanks at times etc. He is a class act and think he will generally be a big threat for us


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 19:38:18
I think with Roberts on the other flank, Ritchie may just have a cracking season as teams can't double up on both of them: too often last season (particularly in the first half of the year) teams would double up on Ritchie and we'd have no real threat down the left to switch to.

Individual players may have poor games now and again, maybe even poor runs, but the team we're putting together gives me real hope that we have enough different attacking threats that we can have a Plan B, C and D rather than just pass to Caddis/Ritchie and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 19:39:04
I am not saying he is poor i just got a niggling feeling we will be dissapointed with him this season.

I think that says more about the expectations of the fans rather than Ritchies actual performances


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager
Post by: stfcinbmth on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 20:32:22
I do appreciate him,i just got my concerns on him stepping up a division.As for best player in division 2 that's bollocks isn't.Oh and the year we went down caddis hardly played in his natural position mor than 2 games in a row.

He's not really stepping up a league though is he. He's played in League 1 already. He'll be fine, pretty sure the rest of the side will be too


Title: Re: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 20:36:16
If you are worried about Ritchie,.it follows you'll be worried about Alan Mc, Foderingham, Caddis....it doesn't make sense. He's like Cox was when he was with us... best player, nobody sings his name... just don't get it.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: tans on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 20:41:04
I have to admit, when we first signed Matt Ritchie on loan i thought he was fucking crap and a waste of time.

How times have changed.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager
Post by: DRS on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 20:48:17
Not like cox at all.I have my reservations that's all,hope i am wrong and likely to be but just saying it will not suprise me if he doesn't stand out as much as alot of our fans are expecting.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: DV on Sunday, July 8, 2012, 23:09:08
If you are worried about Ritchie,.it follows you'll be worried about Alan Mc, Foderingham, Caddis....it doesn't make sense. He's like Cox was when he was with us... best player, nobody sings his name... just don't get it.

Simon Ferry is our best player.

Matt Ritchie is a decent player and not much more. He didnt set the world alright at all last time in L1 but was playing in a piss poor team. During our play off season he couldnt get in the team.

He'll do a decent job, a better job than last time in a better team.

I'd still swap him for Danny Ward all day long!


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: bobby barnes jink on Monday, July 9, 2012, 06:28:20
Simon Ferry is our best player.

Matt Ritchie is a decent player and not much more. He didnt set the world alright at all last time in L1 but was playing in a piss poor team. During our play off season he couldnt get in the team.

He'll do a decent job, a better job than last time in a better team.

I'd still swap him for Danny Ward all day long!

Really? No one whips in a ball like Ritchie on his day though. At one stage last season he was unstoppable. Subsequently opposing teams doubled-up on him and negated his impact. In a team with more similar outlets (Roberts for one) it won't be as easy to stop him. I think he suffered from the fact we played through him so persistently and became too predictable. We also lost Caddis for a time and that lessened the amount of decent ball he got still further.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: walcot red on Monday, July 9, 2012, 06:38:04
It just goes to show how far we've come as a team if we can say that one of our best players isn't that great. I for one rate Ritchie and I think he'll be of a handful this season.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Paolo69 on Monday, July 9, 2012, 08:02:05
It just goes to show how far we've come as a team if we can say that one of our best players isn't that great. I for one rate Ritchie and I think he'll be of a handful this season.

Likewise. Now i'm a big Ferry fan but to play devils advocate DV - Ferry couldn't even get into that piss poor team you speak of so think your argument may be a little flawed.

IMO both Richie and Ferry are decent league one players as (hopefully) we'll find out next season.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 9, 2012, 08:31:17
Likewise. Now i'm a big Ferry fan but to play devils advocate DV - Ferry couldn't even get into that piss poor team you speak of so think your argument may be a little flawed.

Playing devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, but Prutton was the man keeping him out the team.  I still can't work out how, so maybe Wilson was flawed. Or something.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Arriba on Monday, July 9, 2012, 10:08:42
Ferry is a valuable player to us based on last years efforts. That said,he isn't our best player. His stature which sees him knocked off the ball at times and his lack of goals the 2 reasons why. This coming season could go either way for him individually.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, July 9, 2012, 10:13:18
Ferry is a valuable player to us based on last years efforts. That said,he isn't our best player. His stature which sees him knocked off the ball at times and his lack of goals the 2 reasons why. This coming season could go either way for him individually.

League 1 is Ferrys level.  I think he will play an important part in us competing at the top end.  But this is his level.  If we go up, he would I would say thanks and goodbye too!


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Berniman on Monday, July 9, 2012, 10:18:50
Agree with the last 2 posts.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Arriba on Monday, July 9, 2012, 10:19:27
Think one of the centre mid slots is his to lose but wouldn't be surprised if he does lose it. The other spot is key to this seasons success imo and will play a major part in Ferry's form too i think.
Like i said could go either way for him i reckon.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Anteater on Monday, July 9, 2012, 10:21:35
Playing devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, but Prutton was the man keeping him out the team.  I still can't work out how, so maybe Wilson was flawed. Or something.

Agree with that ! Poor decision making at the time by Wilson buggered up both Ferry the team and himself the longer he preferred Prutton.

Ferry had already proved what an asset he can be in league one and under PDC will show that again no doubt.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: DV on Monday, July 9, 2012, 13:31:45
Likewise. Now i'm a big Ferry fan but to play devils advocate DV - Ferry couldn't even get into that piss poor team you speak of so think your argument may be a little flawed.

IMO both Richie and Ferry are decent league one players as (hopefully) we'll find out next season.


But the real question is why couldnt Simon Ferry get into that team? If you can find me anybody in the entire universe other than Danny Wilson who thought Prutton was a better alternative then I will be amazed. I have no idea what Wilson was playing at - but surely everyone thinks we'd have been better off with Ferry in the middle? Apart from Wilson. Whatever the reasons, I dont think it was ever about Ferrys talent.

Ferry is a valuable player to us based on last years efforts. That said,he isn't our best player. His stature which sees him knocked off the ball at times and his lack of goals the 2 reasons why. This coming season could go either way for him individually.

I still think he's our best player. In my experience alot of the players say the same thing. You're right in that fact he's not perfect and has areas he needs to improve in. We've not had many players for a long long time who have the passing range Ferry does though.

League 1 is Ferrys level.  I think he will play an important part in us competing at the top end.  But this is his level.  If we go up, he would I would say thanks and goodbye too!

Bah, could play in the Championship....and will do one day.

We'll see I suppose...


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, July 9, 2012, 13:50:58
I have no idea what Wilson was playing at - but surely everyone thinks we'd have been better off with Ferry in the middle? Apart from Wilson. Whatever the reasons, I dont think it was ever about Ferrys talent.

I think it was more to do with Fitton going over his head and making signings that he didn't necessarily want, then trying to prove Fitton wrong by bringing in his own man and playing him every week.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, July 9, 2012, 18:00:00
Ferry was as shit as the others that season. He was looked on favourably by a lot of fans as he wasn't playing. He's a good player but he was shit when he played that season. I think the fact he was good the season before, was young and cost money ensured he was kept.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: DV on Monday, July 9, 2012, 20:02:20
Ferry only started 18 league games that season.

He was looked upon favourably because he was and still is alot better than the shite we had playing infront of him.

I also dont think Di Canio would have let things like 'good the season before' 'young' and 'cost money' stop him getting rid of Ferry if he wanted to


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 9, 2012, 20:36:16
I think he nearly bombed Ferry out, its fair to say a few noticed he was carrying a few pounds after presumably giving up under Wilson.

But under PDC he seemed to pull himself together and get back to what he was. Lets face it, if he hadn't reacted the right way PDC would either have sold him or twatted him :)


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, July 9, 2012, 22:26:53
Ferry only started 18 league games that season.

He was looked upon favourably because he was and still is alot better than the shite we had playing infront of him.

I also dont think Di Canio would have let things like 'good the season before' 'young' and 'cost money' stop him getting rid of Ferry if he wanted to
Prutton was miles better than Ferry that season.


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: DV on Monday, July 9, 2012, 22:53:58
Yeah, ok Danny...


Title: Re: Adver News: Town close in on deal for midfielder despite change of manager at Tottenham
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, July 9, 2012, 23:22:42
 :fishing: