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Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Titch on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:46:02
Police has reportedly shot a suspected suicide bomber near a tube station in south London.  No further news yet but will post more as it comes in.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:46:58
Sodding hell, will it ever stop?


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:47:45
suspect just about to get on a train.............shot in the head  8)


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Titch on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:48:34
This is all just so fucking shocking.  Just makes you feel so numb and angy.  :evil:


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:50:47
see a suicide bomber.. shoot to kill, the police said its o.k.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: magicroundabout on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:53:03
for fucks sake.
why wont these cunts just go away.

makes me so angry.

least we got him first before he could harm anyone else


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Piemonte on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:54:11
I hope the bullet went right up his arse. cunts


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:55:16
Police have shot a suspected suicide bomber near a tube station in south London.

Marksmen opened fire near Stockwell Tube station as passengers were evacuated.


Passenger Briony Coetsee said: "We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say `get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots."

Sky News Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said: "There is no word on whether he has been killed or simply injured."

If the suspect is confirmed to be a suicide bomber, it would mark the fifth attempted terrorist attack on London in less than a day.

The is thought to have been either stepping on to the train or was on the platform.

Brunt said: "He was probably shot in the head. There is no confirmation of that."

Police have been given orders to shoot to kill if they believe someone is about to detonate a bomb.



Must say its about time we fought back.  Kill before we get killed and no im not being racist!


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: janaage on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:55:35
Fair play to the met.  Although it is slightly worrying that a "suspected bomber was shot in the head".  I think this means it'd be best if you travel by tube don't take a ruck sack, especially if you're an electrician, could be dangerous.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Onion_Jimbo on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:55:56
exciting isnt it


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Titch on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:58:05
I suppose that is one way of putting it OJ.  Could think of better ways to get excitement though, but i see your point.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Onion_Jimbo on Friday, July 22, 2005, 09:59:48
yeah like my holiday next week. Woo!


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:00:18
To be fair, this may stop a few of them.  If they think they will be the only ones dying it spoils it really.  CUNTS


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:04:23
breaking news eyewitness report
3 police chased suspect onto the train held him down and shot the bastard 5 yes 5 times from point blank range. suspect confirmed dead
source - bbc news


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:05:43
Yeah but the police will say he fell over shott himself 5 times! serves him right!


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: janaage on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:06:33
That fella sounded well shakey on the BBC, when he was saying what happened.  THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - don't fuck with us you cunts!!!!!


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:11:52
it wasn't hidden or tactful all done a couple of yards from commuters.
let that be a message....... fuck with us and we'll fucking have ya


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Titch on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:17:13
Exactly.  Maybe we'll have to get used to armed police being everywhere!  Sad but maybe that's the only way to be, at least for a while.  We'll fucking have you you fucking cunts.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:20:57
armed police would be the best thing not just for terrorists but for everyday stuff as well. chav's wouldn't give abuse to an armed copper  :)


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Titch on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:25:43
Reports are also coming in that a mosque in the east of the capital has been surrounded by armed officers and residents told to stay indoors.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: janaage on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:27:08
Fucking hell!!!  What's the world coming to?  Where are these reports from BBC again?


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Titch on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:27:48
The last one is from Sky News.  I tend to look at BBC News, Sky News and Reuters.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:29:09
2 suspect packages in the mosque


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:31:16
So does that mean these muslim extremists are targeting British based muslims because they are tolerant of us westerners, or is this revenge attacks from whites?

It's all going terribly wrong.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:31:58
Not being funny but let them blow themselves up, world would be a better plac surely?


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: janaage on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:32:33
I wonder if these suspect packages are the bombs that failed to go off yesterday, were they left there by the failed suicide bombers?


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Piemonte on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:33:05
Quote from: "CARTMAN"
breaking news eyewitness report
3 police chased suspect onto the train held him down and shot the bastard 5 yes 5 times from point blank range. suspect confirmed dead
source - bbc news


kick ass. Show no mercy boys. I'd have shot the cunt more times than that.

We need to get some Jack Bower from 24-style inteogation/ torture on the go when we catch the ringleaders


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: janaage on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:34:22
I was thinking about 24 PM when all this shit started happening!!!  Quality action.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: magicroundabout on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:35:41
Quote

So does that mean these muslim extremists are targeting British based muslims because they are tolerant of us westerners, or is this revenge attacks from whites?


thats a different angle to look at the saituation. Targeting there own for being on our side???

these nutters will try anything to send fear into the comunity so could ba a possability


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:39:02
Quote from: "magicroundabout"
Quote

So does that mean these muslim extremists are targeting British based muslims because they are tolerant of us westerners, or is this revenge attacks from whites?


thats a different angle to look at the saituation. Targeting there own for being on our side???

these nutters will try anything to send fear into the comunity so could ba a possability


Indeed, from afar they do look down on muslims living over here, wouldn't put it past them.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: janaage on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:40:00
I don't reckon they'd blow up a mosque, doesn't make sense.  I just think yesterday's bombers have done a runner, went to a mosque and left their shit there to be discovered.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: DanOUFC on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:41:48
Quote from: "janaage"
I don't reckon they'd blow up a mosque, doesn't make sense.  I just think yesterday's bombers have done a runner, went to a mosque and left their shit there to be discovered.


That seems the most likely scenario


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:41:49
Perhaps your right Jan, indeed I hope you are, otherwise it would really show the lengths they would go to to scare people.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 10:53:49
police confirm the man shot 5 times from point blank range is dead  :-))(
i could have confirmed that from here


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Piemonte on Friday, July 22, 2005, 11:36:42
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189920,00.html

I know I shouldnt laugh about this but I cant help myeself. The sentence below from the sky news report creased me up

Quote
Three eyewitnesses were taken to a nearby veterinary surgery by police before being taken away for interview.


What were they, fucking gerbils???? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, July 22, 2005, 12:23:23
It's a very serious matter Piemonte, it was my hamster and she's really shaken up.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: DanOUFC on Friday, July 22, 2005, 14:10:05
''Initial examinations though, said Brunt, did not discover any explosives on the suspect''
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189947,00.html


He was obviously upto something though as he ran from the police. Police were tailing him as he was a suspect from yesterday


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, July 22, 2005, 14:16:08
This is pretty fucking scary.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, July 22, 2005, 14:18:42
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
This is pretty fucking scary.


It is, and football grounds will be next target  :shock:


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 14:19:20
Not the grounds we visit! Hardly worth it


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, July 22, 2005, 14:22:13
Quote from: "Asher"
Not the grounds we visit! Hardly worth it


London grounds maybe??

Brentford away anyone?


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, July 22, 2005, 14:23:20
On the tube  :shock:


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Spud on Friday, July 22, 2005, 14:32:49
I'll be in the States when we play Brentford so im not worried about that. :mrgreen:


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:03:29
police have turned round and said the guy they shot wasn't a suicide bomber, he just refuse to follow police instructions  :shock: makes you wonder what they would have done if he did have a bomb


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:05:22
Suspition is enough now! and he was black (sorry I just said that to get a reaction)


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:06:33
Iz it cos i is black?


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:07:54
yeah! let's shoot anyone slightly suspicious! great idea, Asher. Maybe we should start wiping out all Asians, Arabs, West Indians, Africans? Why stop there? We could kill all the Welsh, Scottish and even the Irish!

What a fantastic idea!!!!!!!

you fucking numpty


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: DanOUFC on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:09:51
The bloke was obviously dodgy as he's been under police surveillance since yesterday. If he was a law abiding citizen he wouldn't have ran when questioned by the police. I think in this instance the police did all they could, they couldn't take any risks


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: janaage on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:10:24
Would we have shot Elvis if he was still alive, he had a suspicious mind.

That's pretty bad if they shot the bloke in the head just because of suspicion.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Titch on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:11:42
Totally agree.  The police must not take risks and if someone quite blatently behaves as reported given the current situation then he deserves what he gets i am afraid.  May sound harsh but it will send a message none the less.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: yeo on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:13:52
The bloke ran on to a tube and didnt listen to Police instructions.He would have been warned more than once and the police had no other choice but to shoot him.I 100% support them.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: CARTMAN on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:13:54
thought of this at work last night....(and only just remembered  :oops: )

these terrorists are i should imagine british citizens and therefore blowing up london and killing british people these people are guilty of treason. (among other crimes)

am i correct in thinking treason is the only crime still punishable by the death penalty in this country??? if so will they use it? :twisted:  and will channel 5 try and get the t.v. rights to it? :wink:


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:15:32
See sonic everyone sees what I meant, I said the black comment as a joke as I always get slated anyway.  If you are white,black, indian it makes no odds, dont jump over the barrier when the police are chasing you or questioning you, in current climate you will get shot.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: walrus on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:15:41
Reports that he had a bomb belt with wires dangling.  That I imagine would seem slightly suspiscious to highly trained professionals guarding against terrorism.  Maybe.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: magicroundabout on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:19:23
Quote

The bloke ran on to a tube and didnt listen to Police instructions.He would have been warned more than once and the police had no other choice but to shoot him.I 100% support them.


same here.
The police would have told the guy they were armed and for him to stop where he was.
The fact he ran towards the tube and onto it was fucking stupid considering everything thats happend.
If he was inocent then why didn't he stop???
Police did the right thing


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:20:46
Quote from: "Asher"
See sonic everyone sees what I meant, I said the black comment as a joke as I always get slated anyway.  If you are white,black, indian it makes no odds, dont jump over the barrier when the police are chasing you or questioning you, in current climate you will get shot.


I know the black comment was a joke, it was the "Suspition is enough now" comment that I was replying to.

You can't justify people being shot just on suspicion! The man who was shot today was clearly dodgy and must have been under police surveillance, but the way you phrased that was almost as if you were suggesting that the police should shoot anyone foreign who look dodgy and happen to be carrying a bag.

I think the police had no alternative other than shooting him, so in that respect I support them. I'm just worried about normal citizens developing a vigilante style mindset and taking the law into their own hands. I don't want this country to turn into America.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Piemonte on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:24:09
Run from armed police the day after an attempted terrorist attack - you get shot. I've no sympathy for the bloke at all.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:26:20
USA USA USA USA USA USA


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: janaage on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:28:12
Unless he was deaf, and of poor sight, and may be a little bit of a retard I agree with Piemonte, no sympathy for the bloke at all.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:29:31
I don't have any sympathy with him either, don't get me wrong. I just think Asher's genocide-esque suggestions were a bit daft.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:32:20
:old:

During the war this was common practise. You younguns don't know your born  :)


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 17:03:30
I dont get you at times sonic.  I said if you dont listen to police at this time (with terrorists on the loose) then teh police do have the right to kill if they are suspitious!


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: red macca on Friday, July 22, 2005, 17:06:36
there just doing there jobs im sure they had good reason to do what they have done...


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Asher on Friday, July 22, 2005, 17:07:27
defo!


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Dazzza on Friday, July 22, 2005, 21:37:41
The fact he was shot at what eye witnesses have described as point blank range five times means they where clearly going for a severe incapacitation or kill.

Have to presume that he was a high risk especially down on the tube.

Hopefully serve as a severe warning that the security forces mean business.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Whits on Friday, July 22, 2005, 23:16:40
Quote from: "Ralphy"
Quote from: "Asher"
Not the grounds we visit! Hardly worth it


London grounds maybe??

Brentford away anyone?


i'm not changing my plans because of these cunts. if it happens it happens but you cannot live your life in fear.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: TalkTalk on Friday, July 22, 2005, 23:36:50
If the bloke was carrying a bomb then what would you do? Let him press the button when he got on the tube train??? No way. I heard a security analyst say today that the guys who shot him weren't coppers. They aren't trained to plug civilians like that. Must have been SAS or similar. They knew who he was.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Dazzza on Friday, July 22, 2005, 23:41:32
Quote from: "TalkTalk"
If the bloke was carrying a bomb then what would you do? Let him press the button when he got on the tube train??? No way. I heard a security analyst say today that the guys who shot him weren't coppers. They aren't trained to plug civilians like that. Must have been SAS or similar. They knew who he was.


Apparently he was already on the ground when they fired five shots.  Must have been high risk and suspected he potentially had some sort of device.

Safer than sorry, definitely the best policy.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: TalkTalk on Friday, July 22, 2005, 23:45:18
Quote from: "dazzza"
Quote from: "TalkTalk"
If the bloke was carrying a bomb then what would you do? Let him press the button when he got on the tube train??? No way. I heard a security analyst say today that the guys who shot him weren't coppers. They aren't trained to plug civilians like that. Must have been SAS or similar. They knew who he was.


Apparently he was already on the ground when they fired five shots.  Must have been high risk and suspected he potentially had some sort of device.

Safer than sorry, definitely the best policy.

Couldn't agree more Dazzza. What is the message here? So okay, you're going to die because you're going to blow yourself up and take a load of innocent people with you for zilch reason. Well no actually, we're going to make you die before you can achieve that. What other deterrent can anybody else think of?


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: DanOUFC on Monday, July 25, 2005, 10:30:24
There were some controversial reports in the paper this morning. Apparantly one witness claims  that the Police didn't identify themselves as Police to the suspect and only put on their Police caps after the bloke ran.
Some report that the bloke (a Brazilian with poor English) panicked and ran when shouted at by blokes (plain clothed police officers) with guns.
I think this will be come a very controversial issue. I agree with the shoot to kill policy but I can see the Police getting a lot of stick which could hamper their judgement in the future and damage morale


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: Sippo on Monday, July 25, 2005, 10:58:43
I think the police were right in their actions. Some points to consider:

1. He came out of a house which was being surveyed be police which was known to be linked to the attempted bombings on the 21st.

2. It was a hot day, and the chap was wearing a long heavy coat.

3. When the police gave chase he panicked and jumped railings and tried to get on a train. Considering past events you don't try and get on a train.

4. The police would've shouted police at somepoint. They're not gangsters but highly trained officers doing a very difficult job.

5. If they had any doubt that he was a threat, then shots to the head is the only possible way due to impacts on the suspected package.

6. Fair enough the police got it wrong this time, and I feel for the victims family, but if it was a bomber and the police refused to shoot then more people would've been killed.

I conclusion, we can not live in fear. We can not let these nasty evil terrorists win.


Title: Suicide Bomber
Post by: DanOUFC on Monday, July 25, 2005, 11:05:00
Quote from: "stfcfan"
4. The police would've shouted police at somepoint. They're not gangsters but highly trained officers doing a very difficult job.


According to a witness they only shouted ''stop, get on the floor''.  
I find this hard to believe that they didn't shout ''Police'' (maybe the witness was confused). But reports like this will effect the publics support for the Police and damage their morale which could affect their judgemnet - if they're getting a lot of bad press will they hesitate to shot when chasing a suspect?