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So whats everyone's opinion on what went on .....

for me I cant see what is wrong with not shaking hands unless both clubs had agreed before the match that they were all going to do it.

Nobody carried on like this when Wayne Bridge did it to John Terry in fact most people i know thought fuckin fair play to Bridge.

I do think Evra was out of order trying to provoke Suarez at the end by celebrating in front of him!

Sorry, you can't distinguish why sympathies might be slightly different when the reason for ignoring the handshake was "you slept with my wife" rather than "you told the referee when I racially abused you"?

The whole game was a disgrace.

Bridge was the victim when he refused Terrys handshake.

Evra was the victim in all of this and offered his hand. I personally think Suarez should have shook his hand and got on with it. Once he didnt there was no need for Evra to make such a meal of it by grabbing his arm and playing up to the cameras.

I dont think Evra quite celebrated infront of him. Evra was celebrating with his own fans and Suarez came across to go down the tunnel.

I understand there is a bit more to it - but I love it when footballers celebrate properly!! shows that maybe some of them enjoy winning as much as the money.

Are you a Scouser? Evra - despite being the injured party - tried to shake hands with someone who was proven to have racially abused him. Suarez declined. A shake of hands would have allowed the incident to have been put to bed. Instead, Suarez has now dragged it through the gutter again. He plainly feels he has done nothing wrong and Liverpool have supported him. If Liverpool were that aggrieved they should have defended Suarez instead hinting at evidence to the contrary - if there was such evidence then produce it or shut the fuck up.
Its not often I agree with Fergie but I do in this instance.
Dalglish has also acted like a cunt. His interview after the game was toe curlingly embarassing.
Liverpools' owners now need to get involved. If I was a black player I would not want to sign for Liverpool. If i was a Liverpool player I would not want to play alongside Suarez.
AS for Evra's celbrations, i agree he was wrong but given everything I can totally understand it.  

It was ace. Shame Evra didn't clear him out early doors as that would have made it even better.
Football needs talking points and this is one

Also, Liverpool fans being the bitter, biased, clueless morons that they are - are banging on about how Suarez offered his hand and Evra refused it, then grabbed his arm.

That didnt fucking happen at all.

Also, what with all the drama and the game - and the fact they get lots of stick when they have bad games I thought Phil Dowd did an excellent job refereeing that game and controlling the drama as it were.

No not a scouser, old school bassett lad

I agree Suarez is the guilty party but there are no rules to say you have to shake hands and he got banned for 8 games because of Evra (who quite rightly stood up for himself) so he probably does not want to be mates with him

And yes DV i agree, the ref did a very good job

Suarez got banned for racist abuse directed at Evra, not because of Evra....

Sorry DV you're 100% wrong on this one. Once the whistle went Evra started off celebrating right in front of the Liverpool supporters (which was briiliant) he then celebrated in front of the stand by the dug out. Then, as Suarez was walking towards the tunnel, Evra then made sure that he'd cross his path by making a bee line towards the Stretford End to celebrate there also.

All in all fantastic bit of planning by Evra, as Suarez deserved every bit of stick he got.

It's been dragged out way too long, whole thing is stupid.

In reply to Boner, LFC have handled this whole affair terribly. Dalglish needs to get a grip asap, as he's being shown up as a complete knob jockey right now.

Suarez should have shook hands and the case would have closed. It was embarrassing for Suarez once he'd done that, and even his goal didn't take away from the awful game he had. He was running around like a headless chicken for most of the match and his petulance shone through on more than one occasion.  Shame as his a fantastic footballer, but he needs this to be brought to a close as soon as, for all our sakes.

Disagree - the whole thing is important...and Suarez had the chance to stop it and it is his total fukcwittery that is dragging this on. Footballers and fans etc should discriminate on the colour of someone's shirt not the colour of their skin. Liverpool and Suarez have acted disgracefully and I fucking hate being in a position of agreeing with Fertgie and defending a Man U player.

Crossing his path to celebrate infront of the Stretford End isnt the same as celebrating infront of him.

Although, he clearly celebrated within the vicinity of Suarez.

Dalglish comes out of this the worst imo. Acted a cock throughout. Fergie has owned him on this.
How shite was Gerrard by the way?

From the moment the LFC squad wore the T-Shirts in support of Suarez they muddied the clubs name. The whole handling of this has been diabolical from LFC and 'king' Kenny.

DV it was clearly done on purpose. It wasn't a case of him just crossing his path, it was a case of if I run over to the Stretford End right now, I can celebrate right in front of the tosser.

It wasn't a Martin Keown/Ruud Van Nistelrooy situation, I'll give you that, but Evra knew exactly what he was doing, for which I commend him.

Don't think this orrible twat deserves his own thread tbh

Gerrard looked slow, over weight, and well past it. I didn't notice he was playing until his shit shot around the 40th minute.

He got out done by Michael Carrick today.

98 passes, 92 successful.

To be fair to Gerrard he was only as poor as the rest of his team mates. Usually though he can carry them. Not today
Another England player for the scrap heap.

When it comes to liverpool fans, they are never in the wrong, its the entire planets fault except theirs

pricks

As I posted in the trivial things thread, just imagine the reaction if Anton Ferdinand had offered John Terry his hand, and Terry blanked him.   There would be fucking outrage.

If Evra (as the abused party) had refused to shake the hand of Suarez (the guilty party) you could have understood it. But for Sharez to do it just confirms what a spiteful little cunt he is.

An as others have said, Liverpool have come out of this very badly.
They (and Suarez) were proved to have lied consistently (their evidence constantly changed) hence why the ban was 8 games and there was no appeal.

The frustrating thing is that despite his behaviour & his constant diving Suarez is a very good footballer.

Over-reaction by Man U armchair fans, Sir Alex and the media.

I don't really give a fuck about the pettiness of bin dipping scousers and their overpaid primadonna footballers, or the Manure scum for that matter.

It just makes footballing life in the basement league, supporting a proper club with proper football fans even better.

Suarez rightly or wrongly (wrongly imo) thinks the whole thing was taken out of context.He doesn't like evra so doesnt have to shake his hand yet saying that if you look at it carefully evra drops his hand and raises it when he has passed.The whole thing has gone ott and ferguson after was as bad saying what he did when you look at the actions of some of his own players he has defended to the hilt.

So Suarez blanked Evra, not too much mention of the fact that two Utd players refused to shake hands with him - although it was offered.  Ferguson proved what a cunt he was, had it been the other way round he would have used his favourite saying "I didn't see the incident so I cannot comment".  Dalglish's interview was just as bad and nobody has come out of this with any pride.  I think football at the top level has been the loser in all this.

I think Evra had his hand lowered because he was waiting for Suarez to offer out his hand. But his reaction tells you Evra did want to shake.

Well done Liverpool. Keep dragging yourselves through the mire.

I think they're both as bad as one and other, a couple of petulant cunts who needs their heads banging together.

I blame Dalglish entirely for all of this nonsense.  King Kenny my arse.

I also think Ferguson did not come across well in his interview either. He did seem drunk. He rambled, some of his sentances didnt make sense.

In fact Ferguson and Dalglish looked like spent old men. But while Ferguson has the trophies in the cabinet and can retire at any time he pleases, Dalglish is running out of time. I think he has defended Suarez so much because he realises that in terms of talent, he is the only player Dalglish has got some value on. Downing was dire.

One more thing. Scholes was amazing.

Suarez hasn't been proven guilty of anything.
The FA have set themselves up as prosecutor, judge and jury with no natural justice. Suarez, Dalgleish and Liverpool clearly do not think justice has been done. Neither you nor anyone else knows the complete truth of what happened, and of who lied.

I am not saying Suarez is innocent, just that the FA do themselves no favours in defusing these situations.

Similarly with the handshake. Blatter suggested these things should be sorted out by handshakes, and everyone slags him off as being a complete idiot. Suarez refuses to shake, and now he is the bad guy for not wanting to shake.   Why on earth should Suarez have to shake Evra's hand ?

I am not a big fan of Suarez, but he is being hung out to dry today. If PdC said that another player was a disgrace he would be in front of the FA to explain himself. Will Sir Alex? Like hell, he will.

If Dalgliesh had any sense he wouldn't have played Suarez today.  From the second he refused to shake Evra's hand it had all the makings of an unpleasant encounter.  As previously mentioned, Phil Dowd did well to keep the game from boiling over and I'm surprised the match ended with all 22 players on the pitch.

Dalgleish once again showed what a complete moron he is in the interview at the end.  Shit manager still living off glory as a player. Pathetic.

Just my opinion.

Suarez - clearly thinks his intention in his comment was ok and feels he has been scapegoated.  Hence his reluctance to shake hands.  Actually behaved well during the game, resisting goading from manure.  But hes probably still a cunt.

Evra - Seems like a snidey little shit.  The sort of little creep in school who would go running to teacher if they thought it would help them.  Probably a cunt.

Ferguson - Mumbling incoherent glasweigan.  Not making much sense as the air up on the moral high ground is a bit thin.  His players have never misbehaved, no, never.  They are all lovely fragrant little flowers fighting against the odds to win.  Definitely a cunt.

Dalgleish - Every bit as mumbling and incoherent as the other one.  Got himself stuck on his own moral high ground whilst everyone else is pointing out that his moral high ground is actually a cess pit lined with the excrement of a thousand footballers engorged on protein drink and their own high opinion of themselves.  Also definitely a cunt.

All in all, a bunch of cunts twatting around whilst the media (dont start me on them.  Im over the cunt allowance for the week) declare it is the most important thing in the world that someone didn't shake somebody elses hand.

So, if it went to court a la Terry then there would be doubt he would be found guilty? Liverpool keep alluding to evidence of innocence but produce fuck all other than blind faith in thier player. They and the player state cleaerly there are cultural differences and it must be said Poyet's defence of Suarez was as mind boggling as that of Dalglish'd defence of Suarez.
I would suggest the best solution is that Suarez goes to a country where hias words are acceptable and that Liverpools' owners should hasten this.

This is just wrong. The FA spent millions employing some of the best QC's in the country to prove this case far beyond what it would have to be proven in a Magistrates court. Balance of probabilities on the evidence available makes up a major portion of justice in this Country's legal system.

There are a lot of things you can slag the FA off for, but not this. The Sports Minister was very happy with how the FA handled the disciplinary proceedure. They published an 80 page report. Maybe you should read that?

The truth is that Liverpool's reaction has been so indignant that I guess some people will still believe them.

Now this made me laugh, almost spat my beer out.  :D

I disagree with the "just my opinion" bit though, I'd have preferred "this is how it is fuckers"

Apart from that - an excellent sense talking mini rant.

I have read the report in its entirety - 115 pages actually, not 80.

A key element of the decision is based on reliability of evidence. The FA believed that Evra was a more consistent witness than Suarez. That does not in itself mean that Evra's evidence was any more accurate, just that it appeared more reliable. There is also factual difference of opinion over how many times things were said - so who knows the truth?
The report agreed that Evra started the verbal confrontation by Evra insulting Suarez. Maybe that is one reason that Suarez feels agrieved ?

The experts did not 'prove' anything. There was no dispute over what words were said (only how many times they were said). Suarez agreed what words were said. The input of the experts was intepretation.

The conclusion, by the way, was that Suarez used words likely to be insulting in the country in which they were used, whilst acknowledging that Suarez speaks little English, after much evidence as you described by language experts. Evra in comparison speaks 5 languages fluently. It also concluded that Evra does not believe that Suarez is racist, and the FA conclude that he did not act as he did because he is a racist.

The report also acknowledged that the case was brought by the FA and that the FA commission were both judge and jury. In what other sphere of life is that natural justice? The Sports Minister may have been happy with how it was handled, but I cannot think of any other areas of corporate governance where being prosecutor, judge and jury would be acceptable. Can you?

My only observation is that clearly Suarez and Liverpool do not agree that the outcome has been fair, given the actions of both Suarez and Evra. There are always two sides to every argument

Agreed

Suarez is an absolute wound. Even if you exclude the racism thing, his kick on Scott Parker last Monday, his constant diving since his arrival, and the 8 game ban for biting an opponent in Holland go some way to illustrating what a cunt he is. The Evra thing should be the final straw. Fergie is completely correct, although Suarez isn't a disgrace to Liverpool, Liverpool are fucking abhorrent themselves. Dalgleish should be embarrassed and ashamed, as should every Red scouser.

Well it's lucky it's your opinion as it's not definitely not fact. Suarez spent most of the game acting like a spoilt child. The bloke as previously mentioned is a superb footballer but has let himself and his club down over this. During yesterday's match he appeared to be blaming his team mates, the opponents, the officials, pretty much anyone but himself, for his shoddy performance.

Oh and I thought Liverpool fans were meant to be some kind breed of amazing supporters, could hardly hear a thing from them all match, and we were sat pretty close to them, although supporting that shower of a team it's no wonder they couldn't be arsed giving any vocal support.

It doesn't matter that they didn't agree with it, the moment they chose not to appeal  they should have shut the fuck up and drawn a line under it. But they, or Suarez, chose not to.

Wow, a big supporter of the FA appeals process.
You know what happens when you appeal. They increase the penalty for daring to question it.
Another example of natural justice as espoused by the FA

What is that got to do with the price of fish?

Are you saying because there is no faith in the FA appeals process it is OK to carry on acting in the way they are?

If you are then fair enough. LFC have to live with the consequences, and it is damaging their clubs reputation.

In the programme notes, Kenny allegedly said that he'd spoken with Suarez about the handshake and told him that he should do it to draw a line under the affair and that he'd agreed.

Now either King Kenny's lying through his teeth to his own fans or Suarez went against his own boss' orders.

If he went against his orders, I'd imagine he'd be fined or disciplined in some way. If he doesnt get punished then are we to assume that Kenny has no authority over the dressing room?

Either way, both are counts.

Out of interest which programme notes are these?

I tell you who is coming out of this very well and that Clarke Carlisle.

I met Clarke a few years back in a pub in London, nice bloke, two weeks later he was in rehab, and looks like he's really turned himself around, and looks set to have a good future ahead of him once he's finished playing.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about either of them. Give it about three years and it'll be Suarez & Evra who? They are here for the money and nothing else. Did Suarez really call Evra names? Boo hoo, pricks the pair of them. In cricket it's called sledging I believe but then they tend to be intelligent comments from educated sportsmen to get and edge on the opposition, though with a few exceptions most footballers are lucky to have two educated brain cells to knock together.

As far as I can see, they have drawn a line under it and they have moved on.

However why does that mean that Suarez has to shake Evra's hand ? He feels aggrieved and not happy. He has moved on, and played yesterday, badly. But why does he have to shake Evra's hand ? In the evidence he obviously feels that Evra lied about what was said. He has accepted the decision, but he does not have to love Evra going forwards.

The appeal process is a joke that is exactly why dicanio won't appeal his probably.Did i really just see someone say suarez should be fined for not shaking hands? Sit back and think for a minute,it is a fucking pointless gesture

Some pure bile on twitter this morning from the greatest fans in the country

Given a further review of the situation following Janaage's corruscating reply, I would like to confirm that I have moved Suarez from probably a cunt to cunt.  I did think initially that he had shown a certainly restraint to ignore the baiting of Manure players.  I also thought it stood to reason that falling over, whinging and moaning was the default setting of any premier league player, but clearly I am wrong.

However I feel I also have to move Evra from probably a cunt to cunt due to ferguson actually admitting that Evra 'shouldnt have done that'.  

Generally the mad old Glasweigan wino has to have a player stood in front of him brandishing a machette whilst waving an opponents freshly severed limb around shouting'I did hurt the man' before saying yes it could have been a foul.  So I think its safe to say Evra is a cunt.

What, Newcastle fans?

In a UK Magistrates court the 3 Magistrates are judge and jury. The penalty for Suarez was a football ban, not a prison sentance, and that makes the FA's panel appropriate.

A lot of people are dissapointed when they see the Court system in action, because they expect everything to be proven without any shred of doubt. In reality it isnt like that.

The issue was always whether Suarez used a racial slur, not whether he was a racist. It was proven that Suarez called Evra a Negrito, because Suarez admitted it. It was used during an argument, it was clearly not a term of endearment. That is a racial slur. He was guilty.

Just seen what you are referring to Tans.  Idiots.  Unfortunately there are an awful lots of idiots who follow football.  If you ever watch a football stream and look at the chat room next to it, it is usually just a stream of bile.  Sadly idiots shout louder than those with reason.  

Suarez was wrong and found guilty.Whilst admitting it he believes evra exaggerated how many times he said it,evra said you can see it 10 times on camera,you couldnt see it once.He served his ban so if he doesn't want to shake hands he shouldnt have to.Still every time i watch it it still looks like evra lowers his hand first.

Because by not doing so it causes this mess. It makes him looks bitter and as though he hasn't moved on.  He should be the bigger man and "lie" by shaking his hand if that is what it takes to preserve LFC image.

Oh, and FWIW I think the whole "respect" handshake is a steaming pile of cock. But whilst it is here it has to be done properly or not at all, particularly in circumstances like this.

If liverpool and suarez had contested the verdict then i'd respect them more. If somebody is innocent then surely they would fight to clear their name? He was blatantly guilty as the look on his face said it all. He is a horrible little cunt

So calling another player a 'black monkey', calling the English fuckwits, or mocking Glenn McGrath's wife dying from cancer amounts to "intelligent comments from educated sportsmen". Interesting...

All this furore, does cover up the fact Liverpool aint very good, Dalgish has pissed one hell of alot of money on substandard shite, and that if he had any other surname the kop would be up in arms demanding he be removed!

A couple of points about the game ....

Scholes - Need to take this man to the Euros.  Worldie player!  Controls game through the simple theory of keeping the ball.  Would be perfect in international football.

Downing - Jesus Christ ....... If I was selecting an 80 man England squad for the Euros today .... I wouldnt include him.  What a total pile of cack!

Scholes was superb yesterday, really surprised me as I couldn't see this comeback of his working out.  Having said that the Liverpool midfield were a complete non-entity through out the game, never seen a team give the opposition as much time as the scousers did yesterday. If Town played like that I'd have been pissed off, no matter what division we were in.

So Suarez is made to apologise by Liverpool.

I think it might be too little too late, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

You mean the club wrote out a statement and put his name at the bottom.

Not that im being cynical at all

Liverpool FC have at last acted as they should. Lets hope that is that.

The problem is that unless the PFA can get the two players together the media circus will continue when the two play against each other next.

It looks like Liverpool's owners have made Dalglish and Suarez eat shit and rightly so. That should be an end to it.

The statements today (especially the one RE: Dalglish) make their 'we're always being victimised' fans look like knobheads. I find this funny.

not forgetting his despicable behaviour in the World Cup when he was rightly vilified by the majority of football fans.