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Why?

Same as every other away game i suspect, i werent there but every away game there seems to be stories

ah you know, the stuff with surrounding the steward and pushing him around

nothing more cringeworthy than the 'we are swindon and we'll do what we want' chant... what exactly do you do?

 :zzz:

what they want?

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?

The thing that gets on my tits with our fans today is, that two kids and their parents queue up, got in early so they can stand at the front and see the game. A group of supporters have who no care for others,come in about 10 minutes before the game, jumping moshing about, force these little kiddies and their parents to move (try finding a decent view within minutes before kick off) not nice to see.

Our supports can abuse stewards or whatever, but at very least respect your own fans and the young ones. We really do have some cretins following us.

Sorry  :(

Go back a few years, and you'd have had another, older group prepared to pull the idiots back in to line.  Sounds as if that doesn't happen any more, which is a shame.

Ardiles, there was an older group around them today. Unfortunately, they were as involved as the younger lads. In fact, one of them managed to somehow stay in the ground despite throwing a punch at a steward.

The punch was as effective as most of our shots today. Off target.

Why didnt you ask them all to calm it down a bit?

because you do what you want!

What good would that do? You are the Swindon and you'll do what you want after all...

Very true, very true.

So has crispy and his mates been acting like cocks again?

Yes, like they do every week.

It's quite embarassing really.

That fucking bounce song was shit too.

Haha yeah I was going to say the same. And all the people "bouncing" along with it haha.

Will crispy do a video of his mates overdue kicking? Has to beat the other shit he's put out there previously....

A load of youngins with too much drink on board jumping up and down singing bouncey doesnt piss me off....all those who went OTT got lobbed out.

As for people that get in early thats tough....if its a terrace ...thats just the way it is.

Yeah. If kids want to get in early to stand at the front and some pissed up lads bundle into them it's their tough shit.

I dont understand why people get into such a state that they act like a total cunt and get kicked out?

Spend all the money on a ticket and transport, What a waste of money and time imo

It's because it makes them look like big hard men and they will have a "cool" story to tell their mates.

In the real world they just end proving they are young immature twats who can't handle 3 or 4 pints.

Im all for having a laugh and that, but its just fucking embarassing

I'm all for people young and old having a laugh and a sing at football, however, I was at the side of the group of "fans" behind te goal on Saturday and found the behavior at the game a disgrace. The way they were moshing, and going "fucking mental" was idiotic. It's a shame one of them wasn't hurt themselves. The Stewards are there to do a job not get pushed around and abused by these morons. It's laughable. Most of them don't even watch the game and have to look on here just to find out the final score. The fact there are older men amongst the youth is staggering. Proper low lives. Get a fucking life. You are ruining match days for people who actually go to watch an support the town.

I didn't go. Sounds like some cunts did. Well done.

Question I have is did any of you that came home and took to the internet to slate them and their behaviour, especially someone who was stood at the side of them actually tell them they were being cunts or even ask them to stop? 

I don't condone the behaviour but if you didn't like it and didn't have the nuts to say anything about it to them then what makes your opinions now worth anything?

Can we count Fagin amongst our small list of celebrity supporters?

The "gang" of 30 or so Im pretty sure by there behavior wouldnt exactly have been approachable to being told to calm down as if you read above, one of them swang for a steward. As much as I don't agree with the behavior of them, I do not intend on being assaulted by them. They shouldn't be doing it and that is the end of it. They shouldn't need to be told. If they had more than three braincells between them they should realize that their behavior was an embarrassment. I'm sure the club doesn't want to be associated with these morons. And nor for that matter do I.

Calm down love, it's football not a West End show. If it fucks you off, just move.

I am calm sweetie. :girlgiggle: but why should I. It's already been pointed out that a family had to move because of them. If you read my first post you will see that I have no problem with a few songs and enjoying themselves, as you said, it it football. Not a riot. They need to grow up.

You sound the stupid cunts on the radio after a riot at West Ham vs Millwall.

"Oh I should be able to bring my 6 year old lad to any game..."

Well you can't always GIT what you waaaaaaannntt.

Fact is there are plenty on the forum...plenty in the ground who are totally fucked off with these little twats....only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan......fucking embarasement to the club,themselfs and there parents.
I liked a laugh at footy when i was young....but it wasn't at the expense of decent folk who follow the Town and pay a lot of money doing so.

No doubt they will be at Northampton acting like bell ends.

That is true, you can't. Although there is no reason why someone can't take their child to a game, we are not talking milwall west ham though are we. This was Swindon torquay. I would just look at the number of people who are posting about the behavior of this group of "fans" to see how stupid it is. Life isn't for everyone I suppose.  :clap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

This isn't aimed at you in particular, it's just that the bit of your post I have quoted highlights the point.

You say that you liked to have a laugh at games when you were young, but not at the expense of others.

Are you sure you didn't offend anyone or spoil their enjoyment.

It strikes me that every generation of young fans are a pain in the arse, I'm sure we were the same 30 years ago. I've no doubt that if Crispy & his twat mates are still going to games in 20 years time they will be complaining about the behaviour of the young uns.

As fans we have two choices, tell them to stop acting like twats, or let them get on with it & avoid them.

I'm deffo in the do something about it if you don't like it camp. If my kids got barged into then i would take the physical approach for sure,but i understand why people wouldn't challenge them. The least you will get back is a mouthful of abuse.
If it bothers you that much then tell a steward at the time and contact the club. Take pics of the morons on your phone or something?
I'm sure they will get kicked to shit eventually.

And the old'uns?  :suicide:

Anyways. This is far too involved now. The point was simple. Why act in this way?

Alcohol....
I reckon a few are probably coked up too.

Flat track bullies - didn't create at Rovers - probably won't at Scum but Torquay, Wimbledon, Accrington etc. If it came down to a proper dust up they'd run a fucking mile. They won't get a slapping by the opposition fans because they kick off where they known its safe.   

I experienced this at Bristol Rovers.  Selfish twats (varied ages) pushing my 8 year old and other kids away from the front barrier.  I told them in no uncertain terms what I thought, which unsurprisingly had no effect whatsoever.  Spoilt the game, because after around 5 mins he wanted to go home, because he couldn't see and moaned throughout.  For this reason,  I won't be taking him to another away game when it's standing only in case it happens again. 

I've said the same on another thread as arriba. Take a photo or better still a video of them bullying people and give it to Nick Watkins. I'm sure the club would do something if they are made aware of a few individuals stopping future fans ( children ) from attending games. We can't afford to go banning everyone that gets boisterous but stopping the ring leader would probably do the trick.

Maybe Crispy could say what he gets out of it?

Eugh only just read this
I wanted to stab all those disgusting chavvy twats on Saturday they are so embarrassing most can't string a sentence together!
Crispy was that you in the cap?
The bounce thing is the worst thing I've ever heard

What was the "bounce" thing?

Allow me to predict Crispy's response:  :girlgiggle:

the attention he so desperately craves.

plus, thats the culture these days - you act like an uneducated twat, abuse innocent people around you and pass it off as 'banta' and having a 'laugh'

Jeez reading this, everyone is an angel slagging them off aren't they? We've all done silly stuff, or got over excited in our times at football, If they are near and it bothers you, move, or give them some grief, or if it's your, or your kids safety that's an issue, report them. Don't just whine like babies on the Internet  with holier than thou attitudes. How many times do people on here moan our fans are like zombies, at least there is some passion out there somewhere there amongst our support.

Yes what he said .

I was an annoying cock for many years,some would say I still am.

surrounding and pushing around a steward who is trying to keep the steps clear for a family to get out is 'passion'?? bizarre interpretation

I agree with your point about people coming on here and moaning being wrong, but the whole "holier than thou" argument seems completely wrong - people are feeling pissed off with these kids, not superior. As for them having passion, I'm not so sure. Life? yes. Passion for the game/club? No.

Whoever said kids of every generation act like cunts, was right.

The problem is that if adults of every generation dont make those kids of every generation aware that they are acting like cunts, they'll assume that everyone is either impressed by their behaviour, or that most people are too scared to do anything about it.

The simple answer of course is to simply twat the mouthiest fucker in front of his mates, then confront the remaining retards as they gawp in astonishment that alpha-prick has been put on his stinking chav arse.

I admit it's easy to sit in front of a keyboard, advocating vigilante action, but it would only take a couple of like minded fans to easily bring these chopsy, pissed up cunts down a peg.

Of course, I would never advocate or condone violence, but, the theory is sound.

Well the passion bit is simple, they are certainly at every away game I go to, and i always do at least a dozen, and reading this they seem to be at most if not all. I just feel they are getting slaughtered for being young and stupid, and we've all done it I'm sure, but didn't have the keyboard gods annhiliating us for it. Obviously didnt see what you mention Boeta, but my comment still stands, report and if dangerous they should have been thrown out, or warned or whatever. I do know of the lads in question and they are boisterous, but nothing like stuff in the past, maybe i've grown older without the grumpiness factor where football is concerned!

I have been treated like shit by stewards for years.......I haven't got long enough to list the amount of games I have been to where jumped up cunts made my life a misery.......swansea, brighton and tranmere to name but a few, so fuck em....it cuts both ways.....if crispy and his pissed up mates want to jump about singing bouncey bouncey then so be it. If they go OTT then they get slapped and booted out.

anybody moaning because their kids arent happy on a terrace should stay at home and watch Madagascar or fuck off to Arsenal and sit in a comfy seat......a family game?  fuck off.....thats just a modern take on football to make more money.

Pick a game with seats or dont bother.

I love it when the town end is in good voice and passionate and yes for many a match day is all about having a few beers and some banter with the opposing fans but to continually cause genuine grief with your own supporters shouldn't have to be excepted. It's easy to say move away but most of the time they just stumble into the ground just before or after KO falling all over every body and wouldn't recommend anyone with children with them to confront a gang of pissed up blokes/ teenagers.

It's always been like that though. I never saw a full game until I turned 5"9, as the old man took me away from the focal areas to keep me safe from any potential "issues". My wife was worried when i started taking my daughter about possible trouble and swearing also, I keep her away from where problems might be, both in and out of the grounds. Mind you she knows her fucking swear words these days.

THe FLASH i normally agree with most of what you say but not in this case. Are you saying that joteddyred should not have taken her son to Rovers. I could understand it if you said that there might be trouble from rovers but you shouldn;t have to keep them away because of your own - or a gobby, gutless bunch of twats who cant' hold their beer and think that goading stewards and pushing youngsters out of the way is hard or their "right".

It certainly does, but the problem is that a lot of the time the stewards get wound up and those getting kicked out aren't the ones 'kicking off' stewards get insulted and belittled with songs like 'you are a steward, you'll do what you're told' and because their pride takes a bit of a battering for being taken the piss out of for doing a shit job, and someone bumps in to someone, who bumps in to someone else, who bumps in to someone else, who bumps in to a steward and that lad gets booted out and roughed up for fuck all.

I've seen that happen a few times and when it does, the lads 'kicking off' need to take responsibility for stitching fellow fans up, but the stewards also shouldn't rise to a lot of the bollocks and in a lot of circumstances, just pick on easy targets and rough them up/kick them out to make themselves feel better because they haven't got the bollocks to confront the proper trouble makers.

I love this sentence.

However I happen to be a complete pussy so you can do it.

agreed with this

Exactly! Spot on. When I was a young kid I sat in the North Stand and never got to stand on the Bank or Shrivvy Road because it was safer. And I was never allowed near local derbies or games where trouble was expected. It never was a family game but it's great they have areas for families etc but if you want to take kids then sit in safe regulated areas.

But to be fair there isn't a regulated area at Torquay?
I find myself avoiding away games to stay away from these pricks - I'm getting old!

Due to trouble and lack of regulated away areas I don't think all grounds are safe for kids so that's the risk if you choose to go. I can't give an opinion on these people, I must have been the other end of the terrace at Wimbledon as I saw nothing and the other away games I have been too I have seen nothing either.

but how sober have you been?  :)

I don't think I can recall a game that I've been to where I felt it was unsafe for children.

Only been to the one away game this season which was Burton, I think the same group of lads all managed to get entry to the ground using the same NUS card by passing it back through the fence whilst the stewards were oblivious.

Once again, I'll defend myself, not the group of people I was with.

Got into the ground at Torquay about 10 to 3 and was looking for somewhere to stand, originally went right over the far side of the terrace when some ugly cunt started shouting at me, Hello Flash!, couldn't find anywhere so was walking back the other way when the steward just told us to go up the middle, saw a few people I recognised up there so up I went. Noticed it wasn't just me who came up and it getting overcrowded and the stewards didn't stop it, doesn't bother me but all the time they were shoving people I know who arrive at the ground late together in the middle. The whole bouncing thing started with a couple of kids just singing it on there own, and it just snowballed - During which some old chap came up to me and a friend of mine and said 'Come on now, part the sea, I fancy a burger' We all stopped and let him through.. We are actually normal people so instead of giving it the fucking big one on here how about actually coming over and asking us to tone it down a bit, or go elsewhere, instead of coming on the TEF saying we all need a kicking! Half time came and I had a lovely little chat with Jayohaitchenn, and I'm fairly sure he will back me up on the fact I was far from 'Pissed up/coked up' just having a singsong and when people wanted to move, get past, or fall over we would let them and pick our mates up. Sorry for having a good time, but before you accuse us of more jumped up shit, come on over and ask me and tone it down, and you'll get a responce that would supprise you, because I'm not a jumped up cunt like half of you lot  :D

I'm talking about the people who were moaning about how families with kids who get in early to get a good view and end up getting it ruined by late comers. Just saying that just because there are kids and families on a terrace it makes no difference. They go at their own risk. But I agree, most grounds are very friendly and safe. Personally I have never had an issue at away games and when some games do get heated etc it's just what happens sometimes, it always has done.

And only Cheltenham have I had more than a couple before the game :-)

You jumped up cunt!

I didn't even shout out "Oi Ginger!!".......

I will bide my time...

See you in the Churchill for a kick up.....

 :girlgiggle: At least you got a mention in my awesome story?!

I think it is lovely you let a old man through. Real heroes

I don't think anyone wants to dampen the atmosphere and the passion of our away following.  But if it's possible to get something constructive from this, maybe Crispy could have a word with his mates and ask that they show a little consideration next time for their fellow supporters.  Groups like this should be leading the singing, not getting everyone's backs up.

Failing that, I'm going to be at Northampton on Saturday, so will personally commit to kick in a few heads if their behaviour is less than exemplary.

Crispy, can you please spread the word that "we do what we want" is the most cringeworthy chant going. We need lads like you to lead singing about the TEAM about the CLUB. Like you were doing in the bar at Burton.. Sing about SWINDON man.

Don't man u sing that 'do what we want' song? Surely more reason not to sing it?

Every bugger sings the do what we want song.

I've read so many posts on here about this gang of fuckwits that are spoiling everyone else's away game experience and without witnessing it myself I found myself taking the side of the moaners. But, I was stood only a few metres away from these bouncing lads and to be honest, I thought they were just having a laugh. I didn't see any pushing of kids (not saying it didn't happen) all I saw was a bunch of lads singing and having the craic at football. Looking over at the home terrace to the right hand side of where we were stood looked like a morgue compared to our end. Is that what people want? We all moaned when the atmosphere was shit at Wembley, so where is the harm in these lads bouncing around? I left a few minutes early to try and beat the traffic and had to walk through them  and didn't get any aggro whatsoever.

They started it.

Something to do with their refusal to sit down wherever they go.

Spot on. We've all been there. These lads aren't perfect but they're also not the sons of satan.#

There are two types of fans, fans who like to go to football with a flask of coffee, sit down and discuss the intricacies of the goalkeepers kicking techniques are always going to think that fans who go to football and get tanked up and sing about former rival players having aids are complete cunts and vice-versa and that's if they actually do anything wrong or not. People like myself tend to be a bit more sympathetic.

Having said that they need to remember to show their fellow fans decent courtesy if causing real obstruction or genuine problems and not all of them do.
 

I remember when I went through my wannabe hardman stage as I'm sure a few on here do. A couple of hidings and learning to tolerate my booze and I soon grew out of it, as will Crispy and his chums in a couple of years.

For the record the Wife and two small boys behind the goal at Torquay were my family.

All 3 of them left the ground before halftime as we had to move to a place where they were safer. But having to move towards the corner flag during the game you are not going to get a good view. Therefore the day was spoilt for the Wife and my two young lads and they went back during ther first half  and sat in the car after driving just over 3 hours to get to Torquay.

Of course I would have liked seats for them but none were available and as we were staying in Torquay Boxing Day Night we had to get tickets early so terracing was the only option.
This was the same family who had to stand in the home section for AFC Wimbledon.

A few points from me:

1. Some people have no respect for others. I used to stand in the Townend and of course some games were packed but I respect Women and kids.
2. As a few posters have mentioned we had to get in the ground to get a good place. My 4 year old in order to see needed to sit on a bar.
3. When a fight starts between stewards and twats it is not nice for your kids to witness this or is it for a Mother who just wants her kids to be safe. They are not used to witnessing this.

So Both boys who have been all over the Country with me watching Swindon will no longer be going or will the Wife.
Swindon lose 2 future Supporters.....................that was last night.

Luckily this Morning I have promised them that we will no longer stand on a terrace to watch Swindon play but will get a seat and if seats are not available I will go on my own.
So we will all be at Northampton away and will be at the home AFC Wimbledon game.

So if any of you reading this were the lads who nearly knocked a 4 year old off of the bar come and introduce yourself.

I thought the song was a bit of fun but if this is true I want it stopped!

Yeah I can confirm that Crispy was basically sober when I spoke to him at half time. Still a shit song though mate.

This is what I was getting at with having some consideration for your fellow fans.

Terraces can be packed, rowdy and overcrowded in certain areas, but I can safely say no matter how pissed i've been on one, or how much i've been getting pushed myself my first thought is to be sure not to knock a little one over or if a little one does get knocked over when it gets a bit rowdy if a goal is scored, etc. then be sure to look out for them and get them back to their feet.

It's standard football terrace etiquette but some of the younger lot (and I say that as a lad only in my early-mid 20s myself) seem to be blissfully unaware of this, which is quite sad.

Instead of coming on to an internet forum and simply call them all cunts, cretins and chavs from behind a keyboard like some on here, what i'd rather do is be constructive and ask them to look out for the little ones, you don't have to 'confront them' or 'knock out' the ring leader of this evil gang to do that.

They're just excitable teenagers who tend to go overboard and need to be kicked back in to line when they do. When i was there age (a mere 5/6 years ago) there were lads exactly the same as that and i'm sure there has been in every generation before but our fans seemed to police ourselves instead of whinging about it online....i'm more concerned that has changed than anything, what happened?

and for the record, 'we do what we want' is a shite song copied from man united.

Totally agree with your reply. Must therefore put it down to a generation gap. One or two pushed into my Mrs. Sure they could have been pushed but not one even could say "sorry" or "come on lads be careful some young kids are down here", nothing.
There was a code of conduct some years back and football was more scary then.
So lets put it down to experience and wait for the day when they are confronted by other excitable opposing fans.

I love football terracing and quality atmosphere it makes football. Equally a few teenagers with a few extra beers I have no problem with either and the language goes with the territory.

Just repect Women and kids and let others "do also what they want."

Whilst I don't condone anything that happened, I think clubs who don't provide an alternative to a terrace for families are the ones letting the fans down. A football terrace isn't the place for a 4 year old. These types of things always have and always will happen. When you score and are in a packed terrace things go pretty crazy, I'm sure that would have been just as scary.

I would have welcomed that :)

:-)

I wish I hadn't split this thread now. It's all gone a bit far  ???

I'm going to Northampton. First away game for me in a while. Let's face it there are irritating people in all walks of life, although I find it quite amusing that football seems to bring out more than the average of some real fuckwits.

I found the lack of a actual toilets & decent food slightly more annoying than Crispys crew thinking about it

Good for you!

While on the subject its not just Women and Kids but we should also be aware of elderly spectators as well. I can well recall this being a worry when my dear old dad was alive and being pushed and shoved. When it comes down to it we all enjoy the game for the atmosphere it's just a case of respecting other peoples space.

And exactly as per the Duke of Banbury's comments further on in this thread, that is exactly what I will be doing from now on.  If no seating is available, my son won't be attending.  However, as a youngster I stood on Shrivenham Road and can honestly say I don't ever remember feeling concerned or being barged out of the way by adults. I did challenge those involved in pushing the kids away from the front at Bristol Rovers, but it was completely pointless and I didn't particularly want to get into a slanging match in front of my son.  For the record, it wasn't Crispy and his crew that were involved either.  I don't think these people were even drunk, just selfish and disrespectful of others.

I think you're undermining your own argument there, CWIG. Far better to give them a kicking, eh?? :clap:

I hear Banbury's comments about wanting his wife and kids to be safe watching Town, which is 100% right - I'm the same with my family.

It may not be PC to say it, but football terraces are not safe places to take your treasured wife and kids.

I wouldn't dream of taking my lot as you never know what you are going to get in terms of pissed up STFC fans - not moaning about fans getting wankered, I just dont want my family in the same vicinity - wanker stewards, hostile opposition fans on the way in and out of grounds, the inevitable crush when the place is packed and we score, etc.

The whole football arena is a fucking nightmare in the making for young or vulnerable family members. Just one nasty incident, like a scuffle or possibly serious violence, that as an adult, I'd normally just shrug off as being part and parcel of football, could fuck up a kids head for life, which is why young kids on away trips are just a no-no I'm afraid.

Stick to home games, safe seated family areas etc and you massively minimise the risk of exposure to anything likely to harm or affect them.

Seriously, do not fucking ever be naiive enough to take kids as young as four years old into the shithole of away football terraces. We all know there are low-life cunts out there that don't give a fuck about you, your wife or your kids. They have nothing to lose. They have no respect for themselves, let alone a decent bloke out for a good time with his family watching football.

If you continue to go to away games with them, I suspect that the likes of Crispy and his mates getting hammered and bouncing around, knocking over the odd pensioner or two, will be chicken-feed compared to some of the arseholes you'll encounter.

Just saying, like.

Absolutely spot on deltaincline!!

Fans have always arrived early to get decent spots on terraces. It used to happen at the county ground every week and i dont remember kids getting barged into etc on the shrivvy road-stratton bank.
The same faces used to get the same spots in the ground and you would recognise faces. Fans not being able to go to games in fear of their kids safety decades later, with less trouble in and around grounds is a sad reflection of our moronic contingent.

Hardly does the case of bringing back terracing any favours either does it? I'm sure parents can cope with drunkeness-foul language and the odd scrap etc,but when their kids wellbeing is at threat then that takes the fucking piss i'm afraid.

I think the club would be horrified if they knew kids were being kept from coming to watch Swindon after everything they do to try and encourage kids to matches. I agree about taking really small children to away matches because like it or not away fans young or old normally get treated totally differently than how they do buy our own stewards/police.my point is though you don't just get to the age of say twenty and think right I'll start supporting Swindon, we pretty much all started as kids and thats what we need to maintain by looking out for our younger fans whether we are at home or away. I actually admire the likes of Crispy who goes to a lot more away games than I do and don't blame them for letting of a bit of steam but don't forget we are all there for the same reason so need to go out of our way to get on.

Everyone gets a bit boisterous at away games. Fine but if kids are just gonna act like ignorant cunts towards families then that's out of order,
Absolutely spot on.

Kids shouldn't go to away games because away fans act like pricks doesn't really wash with me. What a load of bull. Nothing wrong with being a bit boisterous but to walk around acting like you own the place and being ignorant and rude to your own fans is pathetic.

The is a huge difference between the Torquay terracing and the old Shrivvy road terracing in size though mate. Also, everyone knew their spot when standing at home games. Compared to going to away games where it's a free for all. Luckily there are not many grounds like Torquay's in League 1 so next season these problems will disappear.

That's a fair comment, as a kid I always stood with the same adults in the same place in the Shivingham stand. But when it got really packed everyone would help the kids go down to the front where they could see without worrying about their safety.

By kicked back in to line i meant a simple 'pack in in, there's kids about' rather than actually giving them a kick in.

Hopefully Northampton will be ok because as I seem to remember it, it can be a difficult one being such a small stand. You have people that want to stand up and sing right next to old codgers from the arkells who wouldn't utter a word if they're life depended on it....and thats nothing to do with kids, thats just different types of fans being together which isn't a problem at home games.

Your point about the terrace is a fair one as fans are not as familiar with it like fans are in their own grounds. Doesn't excuse the behaviour though. The 'we will do what we like' seems to mean even to their own fellow fans.

Anyone who would put their fellow fan at risk is a cunt - pure and simple - even more so when there is no need for it beyond self indulgent bollocks. If you've got that energy in you and want an outlet then take it out on the other fans lads not fellow Town fans with families who want their kids to be Town not armchair ManU, which is exactly whay they'll end up as if they can't go to games.
It ain't fucking difficult is it, you look after your own.   

crispy does crack me up but at least he is there week in week out instead of being sat behind a computer and reckoning they no more about the performances and club than he does ( i know alot of people cant make it because they dont live local) but as much as it may hurt people i see him every game and if it wasnt for people like him and me there would be no club

and no im npt part of his "Mob"

I find the number of people that seem to think bad behaviour is in anyway acceptable at a football match a worry, same for those that think giving the perpetuators a slap or a kicking is the solution. It wouldn't be acceptable at the cinema or a concert or anywhere else yet it seems to be ok at a football match. It's not so much the actions that trouble me, more the general attitude towards it of most so called football fans.

Just goes to show that we haven't really moved on much from the bad days of the 80's. Anyone that thinks there is even a remote chance of a return of terracing, even the safe variety, whilst it continues is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Are you serious?

What people make of the club/performances has fuck all to do with this debate, it's whether Crispy and his pals behave like a bunch of cunts which no doubt they do, but lads on lager will always be cunts.

Good gravy

I'm assuming that you didn't go to football in the 80's if you think things haven't changed much.

From reading through the reactions on here to what has gone on I think that some of these would have shit themselves several times over if they had been going in those times.



I hope not

So wrong Froggy!

One of the reasons people dont go is because off muppets like this mob..the other reason being the cost....no one has ever doubted Crispys love of the club or his knowledge of the club....it just seems he hangs around with a young bunch who think it is acceptable to piss people off,and it wares a bit thin when it looks like they are just antagonising people.
I for one take my hat of him for going.....it just takes some people longer to grow up and realise how stupid they look.

Jonny are you gerry stilton?

Thats the kind of stuff he used to come out with

You're clearly not a regular gig-goer then.

Nope....nor are old people and young kids.

I never had any problems at games during the 80's when I was a kid, don't remember us ever staying away from games due to the potential for trouble. You can't say the same nowadays as you can see from this thread.

Sure things have changed but I'm not convinced they are that much better. Plenty of people on here still think trouble is acceptable if they keep it to themselves and that the best solution is for the trouble makers to get a good kicking. How is that an improvement?

It's the underlying attitude that a lot of people have that is the big issue for me. I really don't get why going to a football match should be any different than anything else yet most people think it is. Until that changes the problems will remain.

The 'do what we like' attitude seems common though, a lot really don't give a fuck about anyone else anymore.

This is not exactly unique to a) football or b) young lads though is it?

No, but the behaviour seems almost acceptable to a lot of people when it is at a football match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2UhcC7PtoU

This thread is becoming a joke. Granted, there maybe a few idiots at Swindon games and it obviously upsets a couple of people but comparing it to 80's football violence is hilarious.

Either Jonny72 is on the wind up given that a few were already blowing this a little bit out of proportion, or he is completely out of touch.

I didn't compare it to 80's football violence, you did. What I said was;

- people still think violence is acceptable if they keep it to themselves
- giving people a slap is an acceptable way of dealing with it
- going to a football match shouldn't be any different from other forms of entertainment

I stand by my comment that things haven't moved on much and they won't until the underlying attitude of football fans changes.

You did compare

9 pages later and we've reached the conclusion that alcohol makes people act like dicks?

...and getting football scores mixed up!

I thought I was a grumpy bastard then I read parts of this thread and realised there are grumpier people out there than me!

Although some think this thread has got out of hand and ott, it's quite good to see so many different people posting in it and being quite emotive about the subject.  This is something that's been slightly lacking on this forum over the last couple of months.

I particularly like jonny72's distorted nostalgic view of the past. Ahhh the 1980's when the terraces were safe to be, back in my day....

I should be able to seat my son next to me in the DRS but I can't because of the swearing idiots in front of me so I pay £x to go to the members area if he comes. I wouldn't take him into the Townend for the reason I see that stand as the "adult" stand.

Away terraces (not seating & terraces) have a mixture of both sectors and it's up to each part to respect the other. Unfortunately, what I saw at Plymouth (my only away game) was a load of drunk idiots turning up at 2:55 pushing their way to where they wanted to stand. Although I do say the stewards that day were over zealous, which exasperated the situation.

What I saw at Plymouth and previous away games is a load of drunk kids headed up by 1 or 2 Dickens-esc style "adults" who have the same mental capability. Everyone can tend away games but just respect that everyone isn't like you and that the World is a better place for it.

edit: I have had a few wines

Been saying it for years....Swindon fans are complete wankers/tosspots/spanners/retards/If I missed anyone's shitness, I include them too...

I think you missed cunts, but i think that's been covered

Sorry dude, didn't want to mention you by name or anything  :)

That's just a shit analogy, Jonny.

I wouldn't expect a load of pissed-up cretins to jump up and down causing mayhem in the cinema - would you?

If they did, and they caused my family to become scared or harassed, I'd put either the mouthiest, the most aggressive or the obvious ring-leader straight on their arse, no problem. And I'd follow up swiftly with anyone else who fancied a pop. If they got the better of me, thats life. Id rather go down trying to protect my family than put up with wankers who cant take their drink, or who have no respect for kids or other people.

The alternative I guess is to sit back and hope someone else deals with it, or for someone with 'authority' to come along, which is just abdicating social responsibility in my book.

If a lad gets a smack in the mouth when he's acting like a cunt, he wont forget it. He equally wont forget the humiliation of being twatted in front of his mates. Equally, most of them are either cowards or bullies. Either way, they wont want to attract similar treatment, and generally will sober up quickly and just shut the fuck up.

Everyone - including the wankers - can then just move on and enjoy the football.

It's just good parenting really, only on a slightly bigger scale :wink:

I think you, along with everyone else, has missed my point. Sure there was a lot of bad and big trouble at football in the 80's which has largely gone away (but not totally), though as I said I spent many games on the terraces and never saw let alone got involved in any trouble. But the same underlying issues are still there;

- people still think violence is acceptable if they keep it to themselves
- giving people a slap is an acceptable way of dealing with it
- going to a football match shouldn't be any different from other forms of entertainment

The only other comparable form of entertainment where people are likely to be quite pissed up and in standing areas is music gigs, going to the cinema is hardly comparable.

If you actually went to gigs or 'music concerts' as you call them, you'd know that you get some real genuine cunts at them who really put in to perspective how much this thread has blown been blown out of proportion when it's only a few overexcited pissed up teenagers. Try getting a pint of piss chucked over you, you'll feel a little different then I assure you.

In my opinion football should be different because otherwise I may as well stay home and watch Sky. Soak up the atmosphere on an HD telly with surround sound with amplified crowd noise because everyone is afraid of saying boo to a goose and get reprimanded. The day that football grounds make genuine efforts to seat people causing no bother, throw them out for swearing or having a giggle is the day I stay at home. I want to sing about turning the Manor Ground into a public lavatory not turn watching football into a watching a tennis match.

I'm sure the group in question are there just for a laugh but if they've gone overboard I can understand the grumples. Talk to those in question, if it doesn't work talk to the stewards, then talk to the police if they are that bad and it doesn't stop. Throwing a strop on here week in and week out hasn't resolved anything.

In my opinion it should be the stewards sorting out who goes where to avoid things like the above happening. Putting a group of youngsters in with families sitting their kids on railings is just asking for trouble. That said, if you see kids about and fancy singing a shit song about bouncing to Status Quo, probably best to find another spot (and shut up because it was a terrible song).

1: The stewards at Torquay were well aware of the issue but were too weak to act. Not sure what else could be done about that. One of them had a punch thrown at them, but let it go.
2: Why should people who have gone for an enjoyable day watching football be forced into confronting 30 individuals behaving in an aggressive way?
3: No one is asking for sober, quiet atmospheres. Just not feeling intimidated on the same terrace as supporters of your own team would be a start.

The problem is with the people causing the issue, not those complaining about it.

Correct  :nod:

Anyone that thinks this is just a new problem and with just Swindon fans is deluded. Our fans are better than most. I know people who support other clubs who will never take their kids to away games because of all the trouble and loutish behaviour.

It would be great if away ends had different zones really. Then you can have the people who want to sit in silence at one end, families together and then people who want to sing and be a bit more lively together. Its all the fans being mixed up that caused the Wembley atmosphere to be the disaster it was.

But this will never happen and some away games will always situations where trouble will spark off with the police/stewards/oppo fans etc. Always has and always will happen. I agree with Si, I would rather it be like it is then every away game be just total silence and be like a tennis match.

It just seemed to used to be that the different types of fans managed to stay out of each others way a little better I think, on a terrace you can't really do that.

Northampton might be a bit different, but use some common sense yourself. If you don't want to be near near loud loutish individuals who want to stand up and sing, then stand further to the front and get away from them.

I went to Torquay last week and there were a group of sober older gentleman who were an absolute discrace to our football club. If you were one of them you should have been ashamed of yourself.

They were completely and utterly fucking stone cold sober, i suspect a few of them had even had a bovril. They did nothing but moan all game. They moaned about no seats, they moaned about youngsters having a laugh and the songs they were singing. They moaned about the team but did nothing to get behind them. Most of them were too busy moaning to actually watch the game! They actually forced a couple of family's to move away from them because of their excessive moaning.

I felt like confronting this group of around 500, but felt too scared to do so as most of them grumbled that they moan when they want. I wanted the stewards to do something about it but unfortunately they were too weak.

I've experienced this type of fan a lot lately, the worst experience was at Wembley against Milwall when there were thousands of them. I don't want these 'fans' anywhere near my club. Fuck off, all you cunts. I'm seriously considering smashing the moaniest old cunt in the face the next game, while all the other moany old look on in astonishment.

People complaining about 30 lads jumping around in a terrace is laughable there was over a 1000 town fans there if you dont like it move....And its not like they were fighting or anything yh one punch might of been thrown at a steward but the way they threw one lad out was ridiculous. Strangling the bloke till hes blue in the face if he done that in the street hge would get punches thrown at him so why should he be aloud to do it in a football ground without it happening? This debate really has made me chuckle, At the end of the day they have done nothing out of the ordinary and if you look at man city celtic poznan jumping around makes a good atmosphere. (again like to state im not one from this group) but you can blatently see there just having a good time

Nothing wrong with where this thread has gone. Healthy debate which is good

Bovril at football is amazing.

Agreed, however you better start getting on it to start your matchday thread tonight. I don't want you sober or we'll lose again  :)

I'll bring the cheap energy drink and we'll do some bovril-bombs?!

I'm pretty sure no one has suggested that at any point. This is however, a Swindon forum for Swindon fans so generally speaking, posts will be Swindon related.

I'll start on the bovril bombs now.

although I think i'm still a little drunk from last night. Maybe I should start the thread now?

Just a heads up, but if i come back from a night out tonight and don't find a matchday thread started, i'm going to do one.

Undefeated

Are you not planning on coming home then?

If you end up shagging some strumpet and staying out could you at least have the decency to be completely pissed and ensure she has interent access.

After the farce of my boxing day defeat and the fact my friends don't seem to understand my need to be smashed and don't want to come out.

I'm happy to surrender threads till I'm back at uni and proper service can be resumed..


Also some would say we're taking this too seriously..

You disguist me, it's a slippery slope when you get on that stuff mate. You might think it's harmless but before you know it you'll be addicted to hot chocolate.

I wasnt there. But, I wouldnt take a child onto a terrace until they were at least 12 years old and they were over 5ft 5 because 1) They cant see if its packed 2) its too dangerous.

People who say 'I should be able to take my children to everything' to me thats just bad parenting. Should you be able to take them to a nightclub? I came back from Plymouth on the train the other week, at 10pm, and went in the GW for a pint, and there were kids on the dancefloor! What the fuck is that all about? Face it, terraces are not very child friendly never have been. As a parent you make the decisions.

Finally, you cant stop people jumping around on terraces, or arriving late. Its not against the law. I was at Crawley, and the 2nd and 3rd goals the celebrations were definitely unsafe for kids. My mate had a load of stiches ripped out of his leg. But it was mad and we loved it. Old style terracing - take it or leave it.

Just to add in my two penneth worth...I dont get to many away games due to costs etc, but I went to Wimbledon & Rovers and at Wimbeldon we saw the prize pricks causing problems with stewards by the dugout and one or 2 getting thrown out being dragged over the barrier even PDC turned round and asked 'fans' to calm down, so for him to ask that it must have been bad, then at rovers I was unlucky enough to have a group of about 6 youngsters think it was fun to act like complete twats right behind me although I did tell them to shut up and they did for about 5 mins.

It is about time these fans that are acting like total dicks are identified and dealt with by either the relevant authorities or stfc tell them to behave or else, I've no problems with groups starting the chanting etc etc but I will draw the line at our supporters jumping around and ruining the game for others it is out of order, yes youngsters get pissed but there are limits, I remember years ago stewards would stop fans going into the groud pissed.

Agree or disagree it is just my view.

Wimbledon was quite bad and there were a few people who were adamant that they needed to kick off with stewards, but the stewards there were also complete cunts and just as bad. Thing is though, largely the fans at Wimbledon and fans people at Torquay were completely different people, but people seem to take it as a given that its the same fans every time.

Its not just the youth. At Wimbledon I saw this old guy kick off when one of the steward kept blocking his view. He said his name was Fred Elliott.

By the way, I find any comparisons to the past pretty laughable. The main differences to the past is that 1) there was no internet, and so less of a vehicle for people to complain. It would take someone getting injured for it to get in the Adver for any issue to get raised. 2) the lines between familly sections and ordinary sections have been blurred. The clubs shouldnt even sell junior concessions in some areas of the ground. By selling tickets in some for kids in some of these old terraces they are saying they are safe for kids, when they are not. Safe standing now please.

He will be bouncing with the youths next!

I've only briefly browsed on this thread. But having met up with Crispy and co before a game once, I'd like to add that the old dude, who I think was their geography teacher or something, is as creepy as fuck.

I'm normally all peace to all men, but he had a touch of the Huntley about him.

:D

I didn't do Geography.

 geography is helpful when trying to locate away pubs.

So is asking Locals/Police/Stewards.

Not whipping out the road map and citing grid references.

The question is, did geography do you?   :gay:

Hahahaha. Trying to protect my family. Here's me thinking it was football not the fuckin Titantic.

Firstly let me say yesterday was a fantastic away game,love late winners especially away from home.But thought I'd post this here as people are quick to jump on here and have a go at the kids when the behaviour of 4/5 middle aged 'hoolies' led by ginger Phil Mitchell was disgraceful.It started with Phil repeatedly calling most of our players cunts with Matt Ritchie in particular getting a barage of abuse from these clowns.When Ritchie and Caddis turned to face them they were subjected to more abuse and threats to which they rightfully swore back.At this point fans started telling Phil and his mates to shut up to which they turned round swearing and threatening women 4 rows behind them then teenage kids.I don't understand people who come to the games abuse our own players, abuse our own fans and act like idiots.Needless to say after the win these same middle aged blokes tried to call Ritchie over to apologise for calling him a cunt,rightfully so Ritchie was having none of it.Earlier in this thread people talked about pulling kids aside and having a word to get them to behave so who does it when the people are 40's/50's? We will struggle to hang onto great players with fans who are so quick to abuse even when we are doing well. Thought 95% of our fans were fantastic but those few let us down and embarrass us as a club week after week!

is the ginger Phil Mitchell Crispy and his school kids crew?!

a fucking embarrassment if so

No. They were sat in the front row behind the goal. All middle aged blokes going absolutely mental over fuck all.

I'd be highly surprised if they 16/17 year old Crispy was the ginger Phil Mitchell - unless he's had a really hard life.

The ginger Phil Mitchell has been going for years him and his mates always act like extras from Green Street, nothing to do with Crispy's gang i believe.

His kid is now a fully paid up member complete with burberry cap, probably mid-teens but has perfected the gormless look.

Amusing stuff these guys.

Tends to be what happens when you have 95% of fans sitting in complete silence. You will hear the negative stuff.

That guy is a proper cunt to be fair. He squared up to someone at Rovers too, and generally abused everyone around him. Bell-end.

Is this the guy who looks a bit sloth like?

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?

If it's the same bloke I saw him talking to Crispy so therefore they're all the absolute worst

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This guy stands in the middle of the Town End and is the biggest moaner going, a mate of mine had a go at him not long before Wilson was sacked because he was ranting about how he would rather have Malpas back. In short, he is an idiot, but i'm glad people had a pop at him.

I was on the side at Northampton and put two and two together to work out what had happened just judging on where the anger from the fans at the back was directed towards. Ginger Phil Mitchell isn't great though, i've always called him a fatter Mick Hucknell

It was the grey-haired guy who was giving Ritchie some grief. A couple of teens behind me told him to shut up and called him a cunt, to which he took offense to. His defense was that he was a season ticket holder and could say what he wanted  ::)

Did anyone else hear the bloke who kept shouting "get into 'im, fuck 'im up" whenever a Northampton player had the ball? He also kept going on about Frank Bruno when Akinfenwa came on even when we had possession. I swear I heard him shout "pigeon twat" at one point.

Why didn't you all go and give them a kicking back into line?

I'm still waiting to hear why you left at half time.

 :sherlock:

And whether leaving then was voluntary...

It was boring  :)

It was you I was stood next to in the first half, wasn't it?  Blue shirt, Polo baseball cap?  Only occured to me after the game that it might be.  I thought your tribute to Fola Onibuje was very good.

Anyway, why did you really leave?

I'm sure it will happen at some stage Crispy

Can't understand why anyone would get on Ritchie's back, he was as gutted about the penalty as everyone else judging by the footage that's been posted so far, he knew it was a pen before it was given. Though a lot of fans wouldn't have seen his reaction at the time

Why try to alienate players, do they really want them to fuck off somewhere else this month? We need the players more than fuckwit fans like this

Did one of the mouthy twats have a blue gillet on?

Why do people bite at Crispy's "I left at half time" or whatever it was? All it does is stoke his ego as people are talking about him.

Who fucking cares?

Because he does what he wants.

It's a bit of fun.  Lighten up.

Ah sorry, didn't realise we were humouring the retard. My mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLPM-P7mNQw

Yep, when I heard you saying about the TEF I thought I was in for a right kicking. But on a serious note, you can back me up on this - 'We are Swindon, we'll do what we want' was sung, and I didn't join in. I was starting songs about Swindon. When I was moving along the back I was polite to people who let me past, was I a cunt at all?

 ;)

Don't think you did, no.


And no you weren't.

 :clap:

Learn how to quote you pair of fucking spastics.

I know......I'm using a fucking iPad and it's not designed for sausage fingered fat fucks sat in bed.