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Was only a matter of time with their shit crowds


 http://www.thisissussex.co.uk/INCONVENIENTTRUTH/story-14198919-detail/story.html

Lets offer them 5k for Tubbs.

A Non-League club occupying a League berth by virtue of a spending spree by a frivolous owner.  Nothing more.  Their position is artificial and unsustainable.  In the longer term, they can only return to their natural place in the pecking order...keeping company with the likes of Farnborough, Dover and Woking.  The League 2 equivalent of Wigan.

Good. Hopefully the start of their fall from grace.

Glad i took my custom elsewhere when i had my pre match pint at their place too.

The most prudent team in the league? Don't make me laugh.

Lets offer them 50p for Pat Butcher then make him clean Paolos boots

Bit of a non-article though. It doesn't really say they will be forced to sell players in January as such, only that offers would be considered. What I mean is it doesn't link the % turnover salary cap as forcing them to do anything in January.

From reading the article, it suggests they've budgeted for this season on the assumption that promotion would add >50% to their gates? Ludicrous.

You'd be lucky to achieve that going from the Championship to the Premier League, let alone conference to League Two.

They've had an 18.3% increase thus far, which is respectable. Presumably the 50% figure was pie in the sky so they could get round the wage cap. Wonder what evidence you need to supply to back it up ?

A few seasons ago they would have probably picked up a fair few locals but with Brighton only 20 miles away now playing Championship football in a brand new stadium I cant see Crawley being a pull for many casual fans.

I certainly wouldn't say no to Tyrone Barnett if they needed to offload anyone

Hahahahahahahahaha

Hope they go bust

"This is probably the most prudently run club in the division"

and

"I'm disappointed we are still only averaging 3,000 in league games and in all honesty I don't know what else we can do. If we are to sustain and build on what we have achieved we need to be getting it up to 4,500 as a minimum"

Are flatly contradictory statements. If you're losing money unless you get 4.5k gates and you are getting 3k gates then you are not prudently run. It's just maths.

Then she says:
"We have a new stand going up"

What prudently run club builds a stand when it can't break even on the gates it has?

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

That article is all over the place - first they need to sell played to stay under the was cap, then they don't then they do. Not sure what the 4500 figure means either, what they'd like or what they need. But you get the impression they're looking at a transfer embargo if they don't improve income or sell players to reduce wages.

Sort of situation we should be taking advantage of, maybe get a decent player or two.

Not sure of the current situation, but there used to be all sorts of grants kicking around for building new stands, throw in some sponsors naming rights etc and it can work out relatively cheap.

Where on earth do they expect these people to come from?!

As has been said, that article is very unclear. Doesn't look like they're in any immediate trouble. Doesn't even look like they're overspending... just that they're struggling to meet the 55% rule.

If they have to sell a couple of players it can only work in our favour.

Most prudently run club in the league??
Tell us where your shady investment is coming from then since your owner karked it

Can't say I think they are that well run although they did get a nice sum from that cup run last season. It was never going to work there. They have spent and spent and now all of a sudden they've realised that the investment is not going to be returned unless the crowds increase.

But the problem is they won't increase by much simply because the fan base isn't there for them. Brighton and London are only up the road and there is no way they could sustain life in any league higher than League One with the crowds they get. I feel another Rushden coming along.

To be honest I don't like that club one bit. A crook manager, dodgy owners and annoying, cocky plastic fans. I hope they crash and burn. Although having said that I will feel sorry for their genuine fans who actually supported them in their non league days before the money came in.

Which applies to every other team in the league, Swindon included.

Now who's the circus???...Don't like that club, twat of a manager and plastic fans and a shit ground...they will get no where near 4,500 each week!

I know, that's my point. It doesn't really say anything much.

I don't think we have to sell for cash but we certainly need to get a few players off the wage bill.

I find it fascinating how a small club in stature like Crawley can sustain their current rate of expenditure, in this day and age. What is also interesting is that a local businesses within Crawley bought '800' half season tickets. Am I the only one who thinks this sounds a little fishy, or am i just a pessimist.

1. Crawley won't sustain this rate of expenditure. Doing it for a year or two is easy. It's after 4-5 years it will come to bite you unless you succeed.
2. 800 or '800'? What's the difference? Didn't know about this, but can hardly say it surprises me!
3. No, you're not the only one who thinks it sounds fishy, but I'm not sure what pessimism has to do with it?

Basically, I agree with everything you said, but I felt like being a pedant too :)

If this is indeed true then that is somewhat fishy and makes even more of a point about the pathetic support of the plastics.

Are you serious? What the fuck do you want from the article about Crawley Town, a mention of STFC?

Agree wholeheartdly with the following in regards to any club

According to Carter, fans themselves must take some of the responsibility in helping the club to achieve these aims by their own actions.

"There are a small things everyone can do, like having their pint in the Redz bar rather than a pub up the road; by paying £2 to park in the car park rather than park on a grass verge; by buying the programme on a match day; by supporting events that are being held at the club.

"We had a comedy night last month and only 52 people turned up. People can't expect the club to be able to go out and buy top players if they don't do their bit by supporting us.

"I know times are hard financially at the moment and I'm not asking spend money if they haven't got it, I've been there and I know what it's like, but I am asking people that if they have a pint to think about having it at the club and not somewhere else."

http://www.crawleytownfc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,11025~2545346,00.html

I found this on their site which only indicates 500 tickets bought from one company. But I swear i read somewhere that 800 tickets were bought from local companies.

Conveniently, the two people shaking hands there have the same surname. That's a coincidence, I'm sure.

Due to their league position i hope they have to sell their best players. Have nothing against them other than that though.

My sentiments too - there will be some genuine loyal fans that may end up being fucked over. I feel sorry for those guys, but that's football eh?

Did we get much sympathy when the FL dicked us when we were demoted?

Jonah

Just saw this on Football Forum about Crawley hopefully the bubble is about to burst
CRAWLEY Town co-owner Susan Carter has warned Reds fans the club may have to sell players in the January transfer window to help balance the books at the Broadfield Stadium.
The Town chief admits she is "disappointed" attendances have not grown this season as much as the club's board had hoped, and says unless the Reds can start to increase their match day revenue, cuts will need to be made to meet Football League rules.
"It is going to be a very tough transfer window," she said. "We have to be sensible and if offers come in then we will need to sit down and consider them.
"We could have some very difficult decisions to make. I would hate for us to have to sell a player for financial reasons, and we don't want to lose any of our best players as we are well placed in the league, but if the right price comes along I think every club is a selling club.
"So far we have always been able to resist the offers that have come in for the players that we haven't wanted to sell, but I know that might not always be the case. We run a very tight ship."
The revelation will come as a bitter pill for many supporters who have seen their side build on the success of last year when they won promotion to the Football League for the first time in their history and travelled to Premier League giants Manchester United in the fifth round of the FA Cup.
Going into Monday's Boxing Day clash with Gillingham the Reds sit four points clear at the top of League Two, with manager Steve Evans on course to lead his side to back to back promotions.
And while there is no suggestion the club are in any financial trouble whatsoever, and the day to day running of the club is completely unaffected, Carter says the Reds either need to increase revenue or sell players to meet the league's rules regarding the percentage of income that can be spent on player's wages.
"In League Two we have something called the Salary Cost Management Protocol," explained Carter. "It means we can't spend more than 55 per cent of our income on players' wages in a season.
"At the moment we aren't hitting that so if fans want us to be able to retain our best players then they have to back us now. I think for a lot of fans this is an inconvenient truth but of course it will have a bearing on what we can do in the transfer window."
Attendances at the Broadfield this season have increased; although Carter says she was expecting gates to be higher given the team had not played at that level before and the quality of football being played.
"We are disappointed with the amount gates have gone up this season as I think in all honesty we were expecting them to rise more," she added. "This is probably the most prudently run club in the division and on the field we are the most successful we have ever been in our history.
"At the moment we are odds on to win our second promotion in as many seasons but we could do with more people turning up to watch. We don't want to be in a position where we have to sell our best players but if our revenues don't increase we will take tough decisions.
"I'm disappointed we are still only averaging 3,000 in league games and in all honesty I don't know what else we can do. If we are to sustain and build on what we have achieved we need to be getting it up to 4,500 as a minimum.
"I don't want this club to go backwards; I want to keep taking it forward.
"We have a new stand going up and I'm challenging the fans to pack it out and create a rocking atmosphere at the Broadfield for the rest of the season. We need to get more people through the door if we want to progress."
Carter says it is her ambition to see Crawley become totally self-sufficient and not reliant upon any wealthy individuals to bankroll them. "I've always wanted for Crawley Town Football Club to be able to operate without the generosity of the owners or shareholders," she added.
"There could be a time in the future when the owners don't want to or can't afford to subsidise the club.
"While we were in the Conference we had a lot of players on one year contracts but in the Football League you have to tie down your players to longer deals.
"It means the club have financial commitments for several years ahead and the club have to be able to meet these through its own income. The owners could never be expected to risk their own businesses by keep investing in the football club when they have staff they pay who are dependent on them."
According to Carter, fans themselves must take some of the responsibility in helping the club to achieve these aims by their own actions.
"There are a small things everyone can do, like having their pint in the Redz bar rather than a pub up the road; by paying £2 to park in the car park rather than park on a grass verge; by buying the programme on a match day; by supporting events that are being held at the club.
"We had a comedy night last month and only 52 people turned up. People can't expect the club to be able to go out and buy top players if they don't do their bit by supporting us.
"I know times are hard financially at the moment and I'm not asking spend money if they haven't got it, I've been there and I know what it's like, but I am asking people that if they have a pint to think about having it at the club and not somewhere else."

ignore just seen other thread

Dont worry Pewsham.

Don't you just wish people would check first Leefer??

 :D

Bit late for us now but perhaps away fans should boycott their place all together just to help things along.

Considering their ground holds around 5k and they wanted 4.5k just to break even, the would need virtually a capacity gate every game just to break even.

Never going to happen.

Nothing really against Crawley apart from the crooked fraudster manager.

I just want anybody but them to win the league.

Us would be a natural choice.

Even the Scum or have you been on the lash

 I fucking detest that cunt Evans so much it would be a toughy!

Would be handy if they were suspended soon. Still working on my reason why I have to go to the football on the first  Valentines Day with my new girlfriend!

Simple...be assertive. Lay down the parameters of what is expected early doors, then you can stick with it later.

In addition to Reg's advice, Tesco will be selling off any surplus roses by the time footy kicks out. You might be able to get a Tesco extra special rose for a fraction of the price.

If she doesn't appreciate a Tesco Extra Special rose she isn't worth it.