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Town voted no to introduction of EPPP
           

  SWINDON Town were one of the 22 Football League clubs who yesterday voted no to the introduction of the Elite Performance Plan (EPPP) for youth development.

           

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/9320072.Town_voted_no_to_introduction_of_EPPP/?ref=rss
           

wow it really has become completely pointless for us to have a youth team

Agree, Yeo. Scrap it.

*Bump*

Wycombe Wanderers are closing their youth set-up, citing the EPPPPPPPPPP. A sign of things to come? I think so.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18278621

Macclesfield and Northampton will follow soon so ive heard

There really is no point in any lower league team investing money into an academy and youth system.

The whole EPPP thing is destined to make the big clubs get any talent for next to nothing. A fixed fee of up to £120k maximum transfer fee involved for talented players at higher level academies with lower level academies/youth teams being able to command a maximum fee of £50k.

Very very unfair on lower league teams, its pointless investing any reasonable sums money into a youth set up from now on.

With the odd youth sale (the lad that went to Liverpool, what's-his-name who went to Man City) does our youth system make a profit? Be interested to know how much it costs a year to run or is it £300,000 like Wycombe?

I suppose not all youngesters will be lured away by the big teams, like Jordan Young who turned down Cheski in November.

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10341~2515473,00.html

I fear though that he will be in the minority.

I know our youth team has developed a lot of youngsters that have moved onto bigger club, some of them not publicised as much as others. Stephens to Liverpool, Henshall to Man City, Mills to Spurs and the obvious ones we missed out on like Walcott to Saints and Joe Mills at Reading. There was another player signed for Chelski a couple of years ago also but I can't remember his name, a midfielder I think.

I would say that the sales of players probably just about covers costs currently over the last few seasons but have no idea of the actual figures.

And add to that Matt Collins who left us for Fulham a few years back while a youth player for a nice fee.

I would say it does but not with youth players that are local i think Ben tozer, Lukasz Jutkiewicz went for good money but i dont think they were part of the youth until about 16-17 but we made 2 million on them which covers the youth development for a few years plus Sean Morrision who went for 250,000 add that to the Henshall and Jamie Stephens transfers we seem to do pretty well.

The only thing that went alright for his career was that he was giving that imogen bird one

That + we got around £200k from the deal!

Yep, the bottomless pit needed feeding at the time.

Mr Diamandis? :D

Anyone know how much money clubs are going to get towards running their youth schemes under EPPP? I'm sure I read they were increasing the funding as part of the deal but don't remember seeing any of the figures involved.

This could actually affect Premier League clubs more than the Football League. If Man Utd have got the next Wayne Rooney or David Beckham on their books as a kid, another club (say Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City) can come along and sign them for no more than £200k. You could even see Championship clubs coming in and offering the kid a crazy wage and promising them games as they won't have to pay much of a transfer fee for them.

I'd also question just how many kids lower league clubs sell at high prices at present. We didn't get that much more than £200k for Henshall did we, or any of the other kids we've lost? Would we really have lost that much over the last few seasons?

The fee likely to be involved for us is less than half of the £200k you quoted.

The theoretical maximum fee involved is based upon £3k per year from the age of 9 to 12 for all clubs, and then for category 1 academies it is £40k per year from the age of 13 to 16 which comes to £169k in total if a youth player moves from a category 1 club to another category 1 club if he had been trained by the club since the age of 9.

If the player is from a category 3 club (which is the one we have been touted in) then the fee is likely to be about 3k for the first 3 years and then a fee of between £12k for category 4 clubs and £40k for category 1 per year with a varying scale of about £9k between levels. cat 1-£40k, cat-2 £31k, cat-3 £21k, cat-4 £12k

So if we as a category 3 club sell a player who has been with us since the age of 9 then the most we can collect would be £72k and if we managed to get into the level above as a category 2 academy then the fee would come to £102k.

The level of academy is decided by how much each club spends on staffing of the academy, and to qualify for the category 1 funding each club needs to spend £2.5million per year on it and include no less than 18 full time staff and have residential provision also for players as there is now no 60 minute travel time maximum.

And yes in theory a club from a lower level could indeed pick up a player from Man Utd, for example, and offer him huge wages and only command a very small (in relation) transfer fee.

And the funding is £5million divided between all clubs in the scheme on a sliding level with teams in the Championship getting an extra £220k per season for 4 years along with the share of the £5 million they now currently get.

You sure it also applies to us robbing PL clubs of their talent. Would have thought there would have been a law against it

That's ignoring the potential add ons under EPPP, which can lead to additional payments in excess of £1m.

i was thinking about this: what stops a FL club from outsourcing its youth development to another company that sits outside of the EPPP

3rd party ownership?

even if the other company is totally separate and the players remain with what company until they are due to sign a pro contract, and any players who are kept on after 17 are 'sold' to the club.

Not sure what you think the benefit of this would be? A company that sits outside the EPPP (i.e not under the jurisdiction of the FA and PL / FL) doesn't have any ownership rights nor hold over a player that would result in payment being made.

i'm sure the powers that be would find a way of shutting it down, also if no contract existed between club and said entity (presumably there couldn't be one under the rules) then the seperate company would just end up selling to higher bidders anyway