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Title: Racist abuse
Post by: guy66 on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 17:54:52
Did anyone else on here hear that muppett yelling abuse at Lanzano? It was good to see and hear other fans telling him to shut it and get behind his team.

Can't believe in this day and age people find it acceptable to yell "Fu**ing wap" at a player


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 17:57:37
didn't hear that no, no excuse for it. 


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 18:16:39
Has this guy worked out yet that we have an Italian manager?

F***ing brain donor.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: janaage on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 18:35:22
That's well out of order, unless the chap was expressing his frustration at not being able to connect to the internet on his phone.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Dazzza on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 18:47:57
That's well out of order, unless the chap was expressing his frustration at not being able to connect to the internet on his phone.


Genius.   :D


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Fred Elliot on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 18:52:47
If you think that's bad you should have been at Wolves away a couple of years ago

Fucking disgusting

We appear to have a racist contingent amongst us.

As do many clubs unfortunately


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Luci on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 18:56:56
If you think that's bad you should have been at Wolves away a couple of years ago
Fucking disgusting
We appear to have a racist contingent amongst us.
As do many clubs unfortunately

I remember that clearly.

Had I known their names I would have ensured that was the last football match they ever attended. Absolute scum.



Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 19:19:29
As an Indian town fan, this saddens me!

However as I have got older I have learnt to accept that in all walks of life, and all football clubs you will have a minority few!  And at least it is a minority!

The closest I have got was on the tube on the way back from a QPR away game a few years back, towards the end of the season in a year we got relegated!


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Boy About Town on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 19:23:36
The guy in question had a harelip looked worser for wear which is no excuse but would not shut up until many of us told him too, shouting about Lanzano being useless, really laying on the italian racial slur which attacks my heritage. Deserved to be lamped. Anyone know what the trouble at the back was, seems a certain someone with glasses always attracts trouble perhaps was his old man though today?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Coca Fola on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:03:54
What the hell is a wap? I know that guy his name's Ray I think, not the brightest guy.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Boy About Town on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:04:47
What the hell is a wap? I know that guy his name's Ray I think, not the brightest guy.

Which one?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Coca Fola on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:10:09
Which one?
The guy that was shouting at Lanzano.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Coca Fola on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:11:58
What's a wap?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:12:50
I know of him also....total wankspanner...a wap was slang mainly during war time for Italians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAXv5CRocvg

The guy above shows real class in the face of massive grief....sorry to be a bit OTT but was he racist in anger...some people need to get a grip if a game of footy brings out there bad side.....the guy above had every reason to cause carnage with a few ill spoken words,he chose words off wisdom and to be honest he didn't need to.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Dozno9 on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:13:43
What's a wap?

Wireless Application Protocol, does he have one?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:17:21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

It is actually Wop...always thought it was Wap.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Dirk Diggler on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:31:26
The guy in question had a harelip looked worser for wear which is no excuse but would not shut up until many of us told him too, shouting about Lanzano being useless, really laying on the italian racial slur which attacks my heritage. Deserved to be lamped. Anyone know what the trouble at the back was, seems a certain someone with glasses always attracts trouble perhaps was his old man though today?

At the same time that the twat who was abusing Lanzano was at it another complete wanker (Phil Mitchell lookalike with a croaky voice) starting moaning and groaning and got into an argument with another punter about the relative merits of Smith & Lanzano. Not 100% sure but the subsequent ruck may have been as a result of this. Phil Mitchell was completly in the wrong. An absolute moron!


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: phelpsieboy on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:37:45
Oh that guy was an absolute nob head, was right by me. Kept singing chants on his own, which never succeeded. Was a racist scumbag thats for sure, got even worse when Abdullah came on :(


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: janaage on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:45:00
To be honest with you all types of negative national stereotype name calling is wrong, however you see it on here most days. As an example the other day some stupid prick was making some retarted anti 'jock' statement, doesn't bother me just highlights the particular board member's lack of intelligence, racism/general being a bigot tends to do that. Usually the person dishing out the abuse justifies it in some 'it's just a joke' how can jock/mick/paki/wop be offensive kind of way?

Go up to Glasgow and call someone a fucking jock and see if the person you say it to takes offence, likewise with an asian you call a 'paki' or italian a 'wop'.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Coca Fola on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:50:31
To be honest with you all types of negative national stereotype name calling is wrong, however you see it on here most days. As an example the other day some stupid prick was making some retarted anti 'jock' statement, doesn't bother me just highlights the particular board member's lack of intelligence, racism/general being a bigot tends to do that. Usually the person dishing out the abuse justifies it in some 'it's just a joke' how can jock/mick/*/wop be offensive kind of way?

Go up to Glasgow and call someone a fucking jock and see if the person you say it to takes offence, likewise with an asian you call a '*' or italian a 'wop'.
Calling an asian asterix is racist?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Boy About Town on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 20:55:36
It is the way things are said sometimes. That was pure venom and said in a way to cause ultimate offense.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 21:03:52
It is the way things are said sometimes. That was pure venom and said in a way to cause ultimate offense.

And that is the key. It's not what is said but how it is said. I could call my mate a 'stupid jock cunt' down the pub and he will laugh it off because he knows its bollocks and there's no malice. Some one else could say exactly the same words in a different situation and those words could take on a whole new meaning.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, September 17, 2011, 22:47:37
What the hell is a wap? I know that guy his name's Ray I think, not the brightest guy.
He may well be of my generation and goes by the nickname Bunger.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Only Me on Sunday, September 18, 2011, 09:33:53
What's a wap?
Wireless Application Protocol.

I think the thicko at the match meant WOP (without Passport).


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Only Me on Sunday, September 18, 2011, 09:36:16
Calling an asian asterix is racist?
Sign of the times I am afraid.  It's all gone PC OTT.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, September 18, 2011, 10:39:45
it goes waap


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: magicroundaboutred on Sunday, September 18, 2011, 10:59:51
Was at a game at Rotherham in the late seventies when there was a bit of trouble with some away fans around us starting trouble. Bunger warned them once but they continued to cause hassle, he then flew off the terracing head-butting one (knocking him to the grond)  and they scarpered. Think he was from Farringdon.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Sunday, September 18, 2011, 21:20:31
There was a guy who moved next to me in the second half who shouted "get a move on you fucking zulus" when Burton's forwards were taking a while with a free kick.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, September 18, 2011, 22:02:18
Was at a game at Rotherham in the late seventies when there was a bit of trouble with some away fans around us starting trouble. Bunger warned them once but they continued to cause hassle, he then flew off the terracing head-butting one (knocking him to the grond)  and they scarpered. Think he was from Farringdon.
Ashbury I believe. I had the dubious privilege of going to court with him at Newport one season. We went on the piss straight after and could very easily have got banged up again after one or two altercations with the locals.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Sunday, September 18, 2011, 23:03:48
Calling an asian asterix is racist?

Wasn't he from France?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Dirk Diggler on Monday, September 19, 2011, 04:53:26
Wasn't he from France?
Gaul


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: carbonwhite on Saturday, September 24, 2011, 14:17:55
which was france wasnt it?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Dirk Diggler on Saturday, September 24, 2011, 19:29:07
You're kidding right?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 24, 2011, 19:35:50
No...France was known as Gaul when the Romans invaded Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul

Many French people still have names related in some ways to the days of Gaul.

President De Gaulle possibly one of them :hmmm:


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Dirk Diggler on Saturday, September 24, 2011, 19:58:46
No...France was known as Gaul when the Romans invaded Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul

Many French people still have names related in some ways to the days of Gaul.

President De Gaulle possibly one of them :hmmm:

I was actually being sarcastic as I thought that this was common knowledge. Obviousely not.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, September 24, 2011, 23:36:25
I would say 'wop' was derogatory not rascist. Bit like when somebody calls me a kraut, its been heard so often its like 'meh so what'


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: stfcinbmth on Saturday, September 24, 2011, 23:50:21
Talking about racist abuse, been out an about in B'mth, casino etc since I got home. Black taxi driver wouldn't take me home unless I paid upfront, needless to say I told him to fuck right off and gave the driver(white) that did take me a £1.50 tip. You racist cunt :D


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 00:50:59
Talking about racist abuse, been out an about in B'mth, casino etc since I got home. Black taxi driver wouldn't take me home unless I paid upfront, needless to say I told him to fuck right off and gave the driver(white) that did take me a £1.50 tip. You racist cunt :D
what is this i don't even


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: carbonwhite on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 04:16:16
You're kidding right?
Sorry i meant that gaul was where france is now.

Ceasar put an end to them though. The series Rome told a decent enough story about the invasion of gaul.

oh and it wasnt just france they covered it was Austria, Switzerland parts of germany and north italy, though the romans did have different names for each part of Gaul.

 :)


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: stfcinbmth on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 09:16:55
what is this i don't even

Pissed up rant, think I'm still ratted, yuk


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 09:34:41
As the Kraut said ( ;)) Calling someone a Wap/Wop/Waap etc is not racist as it is not singling out their race as such which is white/caucasian. It is singling out and insulting their nationality.

It is some other kind of 'ism' but not racism. Jingoism? Probably not but it's the best I can come up with.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Ironside on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 12:06:39
Sorry i meant that gaul was where france is now.

Ceasar put an end to them though. The series Rome told a decent enough story about the invasion of gaul.

oh and it wasnt just france they covered it was Austria, Switzerland parts of germany and north italy, though the romans did have different names for each part of Gaul.

 :)

Not forgetting Belguim, the British Isles, northern Spain & Portugal, the Balkans and parts of northern Turkey.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 12:56:40
Not forgetting Belguim, the British Isles, northern Spain & Portugal, the Balkans and parts of northern Turkey.

I know you fascists like to rewrite history to suit your own agenda, but Gaul is not the same as Galles as in Pay de Galles, French for Wales, or indeed Gaelic.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Ironside on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 13:19:02
I know you fascists like to rewrite history to suit your own agenda, but Gaul is not the same as Galles as in Pay de Galles, French for Wales, or indeed Gaelic.


I think you'll find that that I am right in that the common celtic culture extended to all the areas of modern Europe that have been mentioned.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 13:41:50
I think you'll find that that I am right in that the common celtic culture extended to all the areas of modern Europe that have been mentioned.

The spread of common culture, doesn't mean they are the same people, or that there have been mass migrations of people throughout prehistory.  It's a bit like saying the English and Indians are the same people because they share a love of cricket, curry and democracy.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Ironside on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 13:44:36
The spread of common culture, doesn't mean they are the same people, or that there have been mass migrations of people throughout prehistory.  It's a bit like saying the English and Indians are the same people because they share a love of cricket, curry and democracy.

I never said that they were "the same people" did I Reg? I referred to a common culture didn't I Reg?

Where axactly are you going with this?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 17:13:51
As the Kraut said ( ;)) Calling someone a Wap/Wop/Waap etc is not racist as it is not singling out their race as such which is white/caucasian. It is singling out and insulting their nationality.

It is some other kind of 'ism' but not racism. Jingoism? Probably not but it's the best I can come up with.

Racism covers nationality as well as skin colour, ethnicity, race and so on.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: carbonwhite on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 18:17:29
Not forgetting Belguim, the British Isles, northern Spain & Portugal, the Balkans and parts of northern Turkey.
Belguim yes, british isles was known as britannia and the spain was ran by carthage wasnt it? and the turkish "barbarians" were thracians. not too sure about the balkans but am pretty sure gaul never went that far


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 18:31:41
Racism covers nationality as well as skin colour, ethnicity, race and so on.
Racism does not cover nationality, it covers race. That's why it's called racism. You could possibly call it nationalism but not racism.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 18:50:02
Belguim yes, british isles was known as britannia and the spain was ran by carthage wasnt it? and the turkish "barbarians" were thracians. not too sure about the balkins but am pretty sure gaul never went that far

I'm sure the Irish will love you thinking that Hibernia was part of Britannia.  Best not to enter into the minefield of Balkan history, you'll be bound to upset somebody.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Ironside on Sunday, September 25, 2011, 19:00:59
Belguim yes, british isles was known as britannia and the spain was ran by carthage wasnt it? and the turkish "barbarians" were thracians. not too sure about the balkans but am pretty sure gaul never went that far

Gaul as you put it, geographically covered most of modern day France however the Celtic culture of which I was referring to, which included the Gaulish tribes, extended much, much further as I have already stated.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, September 26, 2011, 10:11:25
Racism does not cover nationality, it covers race. That's why it's called racism. You could possibly call it nationalism but not racism.

So why are people labelled rascists when they call asian people 'p a k i s'  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: jb on Monday, September 26, 2011, 11:43:22
So why are people labelled rascists when they call asian people '*'s'  :hmmm:

Because they are a different race?


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Victor Mildew on Monday, September 26, 2011, 12:56:54
Belguim yes, british isles was known as britannia and the spain was ran by carthage wasnt it? and the turkish "barbarians" were thracians. not too sure about the balkans but am pretty sure gaul never went that far
Eastern Turkey was part of Persia western Turkey was part of the greek empire Thracians were a tribe of People from south eastern Macedonia where Thessalonica is


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Victor Mildew on Monday, September 26, 2011, 12:57:50
Then the romans took it all


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Forza_Swindon on Monday, September 26, 2011, 13:26:45
Racism does not cover nationality, it covers race. That's why it's called racism. You could possibly call it nationalism but not racism.

Racism is different to xenophobia, which is what I think this would be...


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, September 26, 2011, 16:06:04
Eastern Turkey was part of Persia western Turkey was part of the greek empire Thracians were a tribe of People from south eastern Macedonia where Thessalonica is

Thrace was always a bit of a nebulous concept, but was in parts of present day Greece Turkey and Bulgaria.  The Bulgarians are proud of their Thracian inheritance, and look after the archaeology and artefacts.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, September 26, 2011, 17:17:21
So why are people labelled rascists when they call asian people 'p a k i s'  :hmmm:
Because as far as the sort of people who use the term 'P***s' are concerned i.e racists, the people they are aiming it at may be nationals of Pakistan. However, they could just as easily be from India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, or even places like Uganda, Kenya or Trinidad (a lot of Asians have migrated to/from those countries over the years.) For the racists though, it is sufficient to lable them all as 'P***s'. To them, the actual country they are from is irrelevant. So in this sense, 'P***s' is clearly a racist term.


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Ironside on Monday, September 26, 2011, 17:40:42
An "ism" a day, gets the lefties out to play...


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, September 26, 2011, 17:53:14
just onanism for the more right-centric individuals


Title: Re: Racist abuse
Post by: Ironside on Monday, September 26, 2011, 18:01:25
just onanism for the more right-centric individuals

 ;D I just had to look that up, very good!